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2025 NASCAR Thread - See OP for 2025 FFA Fantasy Leeg info (3 Viewers)

I’m fine with Diffey

Coming off the Olympics, Diffey brings a big event feel to the broadcast and Rick Allen's shoes aren't that hard to fill. Small sample size but it seemed like Diff used drivers' names rather than car numbers more than his predecessor. I'm all for that.
 
Very ho hum Bristol night race so far
I miss the old Bristol when there was a lot of banging to move racers out if your way.

Now they get to single line as fast as possible and drive safe to get points. :yawn:
You know they could it in this next gen car as they seam to be able to absorb a lot of damage.

They're more aero sensitive than the last generation and the tire didn't fall off like it did in the spring race. There were some good battles in the field but Larson was just too good. I like long green flag runs but yesterday they just allowed the field to get strung out without scrambling things up on restarts.

There are some people who say more horsepower will fix everything but I don't think they know any better than the people making the rules.
 
No posts in over a week during THE PLAYOFFS

I have nothing against Joey Logano personally but he shouldn't be racing for a championship in Phoenix after what's been a down year for him. NASCAR's ridiculous scoring system devalues the entire season just so they can stage a finale when everybody is watching football anyway.
 
No posts in over a week during THE PLAYOFFS

I have nothing against Joey Logano personally but he shouldn't be racing for a championship in Phoenix after what's been a down year for him. NASCAR's ridiculous scoring system devalues the entire season just so they can stage a finale when everybody is watching football anyway.
And of course he wins and is locked in for the final race
 
No posts in over a week during THE PLAYOFFS

I have nothing against Joey Logano personally but he shouldn't be racing for a championship in Phoenix after what's been a down year for him. NASCAR's ridiculous scoring system devalues the entire season just so they can stage a finale when everybody is watching football anyway.
Haven’t been able to watch much. Didn’t even watch a snap of football yesterday. Kids wanted to go fishing.

I listen to the Tear Down podcast to keep me in the loop.

I don’t like Lagano and his temper tantrums so I’m not thrilled to see him get in.
 
No posts in over a week during THE PLAYOFFS

I have nothing against Joey Logano personally but he shouldn't be racing for a championship in Phoenix after what's been a down year for him. NASCAR's ridiculous scoring system devalues the entire season just so they can stage a finale when everybody is watching football anyway.
He's not the first one
 
No posts in over a week during THE PLAYOFFS

I have nothing against Joey Logano personally but he shouldn't be racing for a championship in Phoenix after what's been a down year for him. NASCAR's ridiculous scoring system devalues the entire season just so they can stage a finale when everybody is watching football anyway.
Haven’t been able to watch much. Didn’t even watch a snap of football yesterday. Kids wanted to go fishing.

I listen to the Tear Down podcast to keep me in the loop.

I don’t like Lagano and his temper tantrums so I’m not thrilled to see him get in.
Better than Hamlin
 
i think im officially done with NASCAR - Daytona might have been the last race I checked in on

It was a run. THey change the fake playoff formats maybe I'll come back
 
i think im officially done with NASCAR - Daytona might have been the last race I checked in on

It was a run. THey change the fake playoff formats maybe I'll come back
Was in this exact same mindset 10+ years ago and decided to basically drop most if not all my motorsports interest in NASCAR and shift it to NHRA. It was a great decision. The science behind the sport is still there, but the fan experience is 1000% better than NASCAR. Been to literally hundreds of NHRA races over the past decade and I can say it blows any fan experience you ever get from NASCAR out of the water. For example, all tickets, even general admission tickets, are also free pit passes throughout the entire race week/weekend. The drivers and teams are accessible to fans (as their schedule allows) all week/weekend of a given race location. The drivers are also so cordial to fans and fans are the same to the drivers. I've literally been standing in the main are of the pits and have had John Force roll up next to me a number of times as he's scootering around to various events he's required to be at. But every time, he'd take the time to acknowledge me and my buds at the course just like a regular person. And he's not the only one. They all do this. Met the legend, Don "The Snake" Prudhomme this past summer at the 2024 Nats in Indy and he couldn't have been more cordial to me and my cousin when we requested an autograph and quick photo. He's an advisor to Ron Capps' NAPA team. This experience for me was like sitting at the table with a god-like figure of the sport, like Richard Petty, and him being just a regular guy willing chat for a few minutes with us nobodies. Was awesome. Of course there is a corporate side to NHRA as well, however, IMO, I don't believe it's been as bastardized as it has been in NASCAR. It really is a family-friendly, fan-friendly experience.

Also, just the sport itself is so unpredictable every race. You may be the #1 seed on the Final Round ladder, but that doesn't mean squat if you haze your tires at the start. The playoff format all makes sense also. Also, there is noting in this world to compare to watching the pit crews tech an 11,000 HP dragster engine, but the real experience is when they go by you in the stands at over 300 mph for 1,000 feet. The shock wave hitting you must be experienced live. They are literally rockets on wheels. Even the Pro Stocks and Pro Mods are awesome.

It's been so pleasurable, we travel around the summer hitting about 10 courses a year, just camping with our main group of about 20 people. It's really been a blast. So much more fulfilling than NASCAR ever was for me and my buds.

I highly recommend you all check it out. You won't be disappointed.
 
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i think im officially done with NASCAR - Daytona might have been the last race I checked in on

It was a run. THey change the fake playoff formats maybe I'll come back
Was in this exact same mindset 10+ years ago and decided to basically drop most if not all my motorsports interest in NASCAR and shift it to NHRA. It was a great decision. The science behind the sport is still there, but the fan experience is 1000% better than NASCAR. Been to literally hundreds of NHRA races over the past decade and I can say it blows any fan experience you ever get from NASCAR out of the water. For example, all tickets, even general admission tickets, are also free pit passes throughout the entire race week/weekend. The drivers and teams are accessible to fans (as their schedule allows) all week/weekend of a given race location. The drivers are also so cordial to fans and fans are the same to the drivers. I've literally been standing in the main are of the pits and have had John Force roll up next to me a number of times as he's scootering around to various events he's required to be at. But every time, he'd take the time to acknowledge me and my buds at the course just like a regular person. And he's not the only one. They all do this. Met the legend, Don "The Snake" Prudhomme this past summer at the 2024 Nats in Indy and he couldn't have been more cordial to me and my cousin when we requested an autograph and quick photo. He's an advisor to Ron Capps' NAPA team. This experience for me was like sitting at the table with a god-like figure of the sport, like Richard Petty, and him being just a regular guy willing chat for a few minutes with us nobodies. Was awesome. Of course there is a corporate side to NHRA as well, however, IMO, I don't believe it's been as bastardized as it has been in NASCAR. It really is a family-friendly, fan-friendly experience.

Also, just the sport itself is so unpredictable every race. You may be the #1 seed on the Final Round ladder, but that doesn't mean squat if you haze your tires at the start. The playoff format all makes sense also. Also, there is noting in this world to compare to watching the pit crews tech an 11,000 HP dragster engine, but the real experience is when they go by you in the stands at over 300 mph for 1,000 feet. The shock wave hitting you must be experienced live. They are literally rockets on wheels. Even the Pro Stocks and Pro Mods are awesome.

It's been so pleasurable, we travel around the summer hitting about 10 courses a year, just camping with our main group of about 20 people. It's really been a blast. So much more fulfilling than NASCAR ever was for me and my buds.

I highly recommend you all check it out. You won't be disappointed.

Drag racing is awesome live but the sport doesn't translate well to television, especially after they shortened the track to 1000 feet.

I've posted about it in the F1 thread but my new motorsports love is MotoGP. Tight racing, incredible skill and bravery and commercial free races that last about 30-40 minutes. The onboard camera shots as riders lean into corners are more impressive than their equivalents in four-wheelers.
 
i think im officially done with NASCAR - Daytona might have been the last race I checked in on

It was a run. THey change the fake playoff formats maybe I'll come back
Was in this exact same mindset 10+ years ago and decided to basically drop most if not all my motorsports interest in NASCAR and shift it to NHRA. It was a great decision. The science behind the sport is still there, but the fan experience is 1000% better than NASCAR. Been to literally hundreds of NHRA races over the past decade and I can say it blows any fan experience you ever get from NASCAR out of the water. For example, all tickets, even general admission tickets, are also free pit passes throughout the entire race week/weekend. The drivers and teams are accessible to fans (as their schedule allows) all week/weekend of a given race location. The drivers are also so cordial to fans and fans are the same to the drivers. I've literally been standing in the main are of the pits and have had John Force roll up next to me a number of times as he's scootering around to various events he's required to be at. But every time, he'd take the time to acknowledge me and my buds at the course just like a regular person. And he's not the only one. They all do this. Met the legend, Don "The Snake" Prudhomme this past summer at the 2024 Nats in Indy and he couldn't have been more cordial to me and my cousin when we requested an autograph and quick photo. He's an advisor to Ron Capps' NAPA team. This experience for me was like sitting at the table with a god-like figure of the sport, like Richard Petty, and him being just a regular guy willing chat for a few minutes with us nobodies. Was awesome. Of course there is a corporate side to NHRA as well, however, IMO, I don't believe it's been as bastardized as it has been in NASCAR. It really is a family-friendly, fan-friendly experience.

Also, just the sport itself is so unpredictable every race. You may be the #1 seed on the Final Round ladder, but that doesn't mean squat if you haze your tires at the start. The playoff format all makes sense also. Also, there is noting in this world to compare to watching the pit crews tech an 11,000 HP dragster engine, but the real experience is when they go by you in the stands at over 300 mph for 1,000 feet. The shock wave hitting you must be experienced live. They are literally rockets on wheels. Even the Pro Stocks and Pro Mods are awesome.

It's been so pleasurable, we travel around the summer hitting about 10 courses a year, just camping with our main group of about 20 people. It's really been a blast. So much more fulfilling than NASCAR ever was for me and my buds.

I highly recommend you all check it out. You won't be disappointed.
Already been a drag race guy but not sure we have any around here anymore
 
Reactions? The Tear Down guys were gushing over this race. They hate this playoff format but their knee jerk reaction was this was this race is everything you want in a race: strategy, driver skill, drama etc Maybe a top ten all time? 7 drivers racing hard, win or go home, no pointing in…
 
Reactions? The Tear Down guys were gushing over this race. They hate this playoff format but their knee jerk reaction was this was this race is everything you want in a race: strategy, driver skill, drama etc Maybe a top ten all time? 7 drivers racing hard, win or go home, no pointing in…

The race was already over when I switched over from F1. I saw the highlights but it's not the same.

With its multiple grooves, Homestead Miami was a better track for the season finale than Phoenix but NASCAR never asked me. I guess I'm Team Reddick now because I like the idea of the championship going to a non-charter team.
 
I don't really understand the points. I was able to avoid any news about it and watch today, and like the entire second stage all 7 other playoff guys are ahead of Larson, but he just stayed right in 4th, like 2 points ahead of 5th, the entire like 80 laps. I found a good explainer on how to get "playoff points" in the regular season and what wins are worth but do stage and race wins only matter and nothing else does?
 
I don't really understand the points. I was able to avoid any news about it and watch today, and like the entire second stage all 7 other playoff guys are ahead of Larson, but he just stayed right in 4th, like 2 points ahead of 5th, the entire like 80 laps. I found a good explainer on how to get "playoff points" in the regular season and what wins are worth but do stage and race wins only matter and nothing else does?

I think everything but the playoff points get reset at the beginning of each round of the playoffs. That's why drivers started Las Vegas with points above or below the cut line. But after that the stage and race points get added to it.

Playoff points don't matter anymore at this stage of the season because the championship four get reset to zero before Phoenix.
 
Loved watching Redick win.
Announcers gushing over Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin.
Once Redick dropped back with 5 to go, they basically gave up on him having a chance.

With any luck Byron holds onto the last spot for the Championship round, and Logano crashes out on the first lap. :drive:
 
Loved watching Redick win.
Announcers gushing over Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin.
Once Redick dropped back with 5 to go, they basically gave up on him having a chance.

With any luck Byron holds onto the last spot for the Championship round, and Logano crashes out on the first lap. :drive:
I like Hamlin. And Redick.

I thought they did a decent job talking about the race strategy - Hamlin long run, Redick hoping for caution, others going more standard...and it was cool to see how it played out.
 
I think Nascar got that call 100% wrong.
He didn't ride the wall to better his position. He wrecked into the wall, and you see his in car camera where he was jerking the wheel to the left to get off the wall.

But let's see Byron and Jeff Grodon.. Or Bell.. Hmmm :tinfoilhat:
 
Bell's wall ride is a convenient distraction from the efforts of the other Chevy and Toyota teams to get their "teammates" into the final. Team orders have been a reality in high level motorsports for decades but NASCAR has always prided itself as being 40 cars against each other. St. Dale would roll in his grave if he knew that the #3 was doing something to help the #24.

The convoluted scoring system and huge financial incentives make this kind of gamesmanship inevitable but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
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I think Nascar got that call 100% wrong.
He didn't ride the wall to better his position. He wrecked into the wall, and you see his in car camera where he was jerking the wheel to the left to get off the wall.

But let's see Byron and Jeff Grodon.. Or Bell.. Hmmm :tinfoilhat:
Disagree.

He accelerated while into the wall. Burton was 100% correct. Had he hit the wall and accelerated after getting off the wall, he would have been fine.
He used the wall to his advantage.

The end was a disaster. The chevys holding up everyone and Wallace blatantly slowing down to allow Bell to pass.

NASCAR has created a monster problem.
 
I think Nascar got that call 100% wrong.
He didn't ride the wall to better his position. He wrecked into the wall, and you see his in car camera where he was jerking the wheel to the left to get off the wall.

But let's see Byron and Jeff Grodon.. Or Bell.. Hmmm :tinfoilhat:
Disagree.

He accelerated while into the wall. Burton was 100% correct. Had he hit the wall and accelerated after getting off the wall, he would have been fine.
He used the wall to his advantage.

The end was a disaster. The chevys holding up everyone and Wallace blatantly slowing down to allow Bell to pass.

NASCAR has created a monster problem.
:shrug: I believed him when he said he was stuck in the marbles. The in-camera angle showed him jerking the wheel to the left before he accelerated.

I agree that Nascar needs to fix the blatant manufacturer "cheating".
 
One suggestion I heard to address the manufacturer coordination is to ban spotters from sharing points updates during the race with the drivers.
 
Bell's wall ride is a convenient distraction from the efforts of the other Chevy and Toyota teams to get their "teammates" into the final. Team orders have been a reality in high level motorsports for decades but NASCAR has always prided itself as being 40 cars against each other. St. Dale would roll in his grave if he knew that the #3 was doing something to help the #24.

The convoluted scoring system and huge financial incentives make this kind of gamesmanship inevitable but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
The convoluted scoring system is right. Or maybe the way they're showing it during the race is the issue.

Like Bell was 7 points behind Byron when Byron was in 3rd. Byron fell to like 5th and suddenly it was only a point but Bell was still a lap down in 19th?

Why is it not as simple as like x points per lap per place, with bonuses for stage placement and finish?
 






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NASCAR penalties from Martinsville race manipulation: Crew chiefs, spotters and a team exec for Bubba Wallace, Ross Chastain and Austin Dillon teams suspended for Phoenix, drivers docked 50 points apiece and fined $100k.Drivers are not suspended.

After 50-point penalties: -- Wallace falls from 17th to 18th in the point standings-- Chastain remains 19th, no change-- Dillon drops from 28th to 33rd
 
Jeff Gluck
@jeff_gluck


NASCAR penalties from Martinsville race manipulation: Crew chiefs, spotters and a team exec for Bubba Wallace, Ross Chastain and Austin Dillon teams suspended for Phoenix, drivers docked 50 points apiece and fined $100k.Drivers are not suspended.

After 50-point penalties: -- Wallace falls from 17th to 18th in the point standings-- Chastain remains 19th, no change-- Dillon drops from 28th to 33rd
I think this will send a hugh message. Something like this happened years ago at Richmond while I was there. A driver helping a teammate is one thing. This manufacturer collusion is blatantly wrong.
 

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