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Yogibear

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Well, we're just 2 1/2 weeks away from NFL Honors 2025. And I thought I might hand out the hardware to the projected winners.

Coach of the Year: Kevin O'Connell

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Jayden Daniels

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Jared Verse

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley

Defensive Player of the Year: T.J. Watt

MVP: Josh Allen

I don't know who to give Comeback Player of the Year to so I'm going to leave that one alone. Who do you think should win the individual NFL honors?
 
Watt disappeared, along with the rest of the Steeler defense, for pretty much a month to end the season ( he may or may not have been playing hurt, but that's sort of irrelevant). No way he deserves that this year.

DPOTY is probably Surtain.
 
I liked your list until DPOTY and MVP. Not sure who I would give for D, maybe Myles Garrett. Lamar is definitely the MVP. He's ahead of Josh in basically every single stat that matters.
 
Yogibear said:
Well, we're just 2 1/2 weeks away from NFL Honors 2025. And I thought I might hand out the hardware to the projected winners.

Coach of the Year: Kevin O'Connell

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Jayden Daniels

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Jared Verse

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley

Defensive Player of the Year: T.J. Watt

MVP: Josh Allen

I don't know who to give Comeback Player of the Year to so I'm going to leave that one alone. Who do you think should win the individual NFL honors?
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I think coach of the year should be Dan Quinn. I thought that before the playoff wins. Team went from the #2 pick to 12 wins.

I think Lamar is MVP over Allen. Just had a clearly better season. 4th best passer rating in history, and almost 1000 rush yards.

DPOY is really tough. There is no standout pick. I'll make a case for Zack Baun. He was the best player on the best defense. Could make a case for Kerby Joseph who led the NFL with 9 INTs.

Comeback player of the year is probably Joe Burrow.
 
MVP should be Barkley and it's not even close. Lamar and Allen had above average seasons but were weren't as good as Burrow, Goff, or Mayfield. If you don't throw for as many yards as Geno Smith, you are disqualified from winning.

Barkley was outstanding even w/o getting to stat pad another 200 yards in week 18.
 
I think the four things that hurt Lamar are:

- he is playing with all those Pro Bowlers. Allen is only the second QB all time to make All-Pro without another All-Pro to help him

- Henry and the running game. People that know football and don’t look only at stats understand how much easier it makes the QBs job when you have this guy.

- Baltimore had the most wide open WRs of any team all year. And it wasn’t close. Is it an MVP level play to throw a pass to a wide open WR and rack up stats? I guess we will see.

- The teams scored the same number of TDs, but the Bills were more efficient with more points per play and more points per drive (with less talent and comparible schedule)
 
BassNBrew said:
MVP should be Barkley and it's not even close. Lamar and Allen had above average seasons but were weren't as good as Burrow, Goff, or Mayfield. If you don't throw for as many yards as Geno Smith, you are disqualified from winning.

Barkley was outstanding even w/o getting to stat pad another 200 yards in week 18.
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What a ridiculous arbitrary line in the sand to draw. If you don't run for as many TD's as Kyren Williams you are disqualified from winning. See how that works? Also, when did passing yards become the main factor in deciding what QB is most qualified as an MVP candidate? Jameis Winston led in passing yards in 2019. That's all i'm saying.

I love Saquon, and I don't want this to sound like a personal attack. I just think it's a bad case you made to determine the QB candidates for MVP.
 
Deamon said:
IvanKaramazov said:
IHEARTFF said:
I liked your list until DPOTY and MVP. Not sure who I would give for D, maybe Myles Garrett. Lamar is definitely the MVP. He's ahead of Josh in basically every single stat that matters.
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Except playoff wins.
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The Voting is already complete before the playoffs. Crazy that some people still don't know this.
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Oh, I know. I cared infinitely more about the outcome of this weekend's game than I do about the MVP vote. Lamar can have it as long as we get to play at least one more game.
 
I think both travdogg and Yogibear have good points about COY. I sort of lean KOC since he unlocked Darnold (now that I think about it, Darnold for comeback?) But like trav said, Quinn lead a team from the basement to the playoffs and thats pretty impressive.
 
travdogg said:
Yogibear said:
Well, we're just 2 1/2 weeks away from NFL Honors 2025. And I thought I might hand out the hardware to the projected winners.

Coach of the Year: Kevin O'Connell

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Jayden Daniels

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Jared Verse

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley

Defensive Player of the Year: T.J. Watt

MVP: Josh Allen

I don't know who to give Comeback Player of the Year to so I'm going to leave that one alone. Who do you think should win the individual NFL honors?
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I think coach of the year should be Dan Quinn. I thought that before the playoff wins. Team went from the #2 pick to 12 wins.

I think Lamar is MVP over Allen. Just had a clearly better season. 4th best passer rating in history, and almost 1000 rush yards.

DPOY is really tough. There is no standout pick. I'll make a case for Zack Baun. He was the best player on the best defense. Could make a case for Kerby Joseph who led the NFL with 9 INTs.

Comeback player of the year is probably Joe Burrow.
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Baun is a good candidate for DPOY. He's been great.
 
BINGBING said:
BassNBrew said:
MVP should be Barkley and it's not even close. Lamar and Allen had above average seasons but were weren't as good as Burrow, Goff, or Mayfield. If you don't throw for as many yards as Geno Smith, you are disqualified from winning.

Barkley was outstanding even w/o getting to stat pad another 200 yards in week 18.
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What a ridiculous arbitrary line in the sand to draw. If you don't run for as many TD's as Kyren Williams you are disqualified from winning. See how that works? Also, when did passing yards become the main factor in deciding what QB is most qualified as an MVP candidate? Jameis Winston led in passing yards in 2019. That's all i'm saying.

I love Saquon, and I don't want this to sound like a personal attack. I just think it's a bad case you made to determine the QB candidates for MVP.
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The point was that there's not much differentiating a handful of QBs. Barkley total dominated is position, the team had a great record, and he pushed historical numbers. Reminds me of two years ago when Kupp lapped the field and got screwed. He doubled down in the playoffs and gave the voters a big fu. Barkley is on his way.
 
Going with what I think should be, not what will be.

Coach of the Year: Quinn

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Jayden Daniels

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Jared Verse

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley

Defensive Player of the Year: Surtain

MVP: Saquon Barkley

The eagles have a great team but if anyone remembers how badly they fell apart after week 12 last year, the biggest difference was Barkley.
However, MVP has become a QB award, I think it will go to Allen.

DPOY probably doesn’t go to a corner, even though he’s the biggest difference maker. Baun would be a good choice, Hendrickson has a fair chance.

Comeback, I’d give to Darnold but it’s probably Burrow.
 
-OZ- said:
Going with what I think should be, not what will be.

Coach of the Year: Quinn

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Jayden Daniels

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Jared Verse

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley

Defensive Player of the Year: Surtain

MVP: Saquon Barkley

The eagles have a great team but if anyone remembers how badly they fell apart after week 12 last year, the biggest difference was Barkley.
However, MVP has become a QB award, I think it will go to Allen.

DPOY probably doesn’t go to a corner, even though he’s the biggest difference maker. Baun would be a good choice, Hendrickson has a fair chance.

Comeback, I’d give to Darnold but it’s probably Burrow.
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Saquon has had a great year but the Eagles have recovered from last year because Fangio turned the defense from the 26th ranked to the #1 ranked. The biggest reason for that is who should be DPOY . . . Zach Baun.
 
The Pro Football Writers Association voted Lamar MVP this year. Barkley was OPOY and Surtain was DPOY. I have not seen the vote totals anywhere, so I don't know how close the balloting was.
 
Anarchy99 said:
The Pro Football Writers Association voted Lamar MVP this year. Barkley was OPOY and Surtain was DPOY. I have not seen the vote totals anywhere, so I don't know how close the balloting was.
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Well that explains why there are so many bad football articles.
 
BassNBrew said:
Anarchy99 said:
The Pro Football Writers Association voted Lamar MVP this year. Barkley was OPOY and Surtain was DPOY. I have not seen the vote totals anywhere, so I don't know how close the balloting was.
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Well that explains why there are so many bad football articles.
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Just curious why this is somehow scandalous or blatantly in error. Jackson had a statistically better season than Allen did (who is a heavy favorite to win the MVP award). I know you think Saquon should win, but Barkley didn't set any records, was not demonstrably better than Henry, and many other backs have put up similar season totals and didn't win MVP. Saquon ended the season 226 short of Chris Johnson's record for YFS and 101 yards short of Dickerson's rushing yardage record.

If people want to say RBs (or other positions) should garner a lot more recognition and be serious candidates for MVP, I agree with that. However, the voters almost always go with QBs. It is what it is. IMO, I don't think Barkley was the clear MVP. He was one of the top candidates. Put another way, if he won, I would not be outraged. If he didn't win, I also would not be outraged.
 
Anarchy99 said:
BassNBrew said:
Anarchy99 said:
The Pro Football Writers Association voted Lamar MVP this year. Barkley was OPOY and Surtain was DPOY. I have not seen the vote totals anywhere, so I don't know how close the balloting was.
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Well that explains why there are so many bad football articles.
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Just curious why this is somehow scandalous or blatantly in error. Jackson had a statistically better season than Allen did (who is a heavy favorite to win the MVP award). I know you think Saquon should win, but Barkley didn't set any records, was not demonstrably better than Henry, and many other backs have put up similar season totals and didn't win MVP. Saquon ended the season 226 short of Chris Johnson's record for YFS and 101 yards short of Dickerson's rushing yardage record.

If people want to say RBs (or other positions) should garner a lot more recognition and be serious candidates for MVP, I agree with that. However, the voters almost always go with QBs. It is what it is. IMO, I don't think Barkley was the clear MVP. He was one of the top candidates. Put another way, if he won, I would not be outraged. If he didn't win, I also would not be outraged.
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Most Valuable is the term that needs to be defined when determining the winner. Statistics should not mean everything in determining who the MVP is, why? Because stats lie, Saquon did not play in week 18 so the potential for him to break both those records was out there had his team needed a win. Would that change your thought process? That is just one example of stats lying, there are plenty of others.
 
CGRdrJoe said:
Anarchy99 said:
BassNBrew said:
Anarchy99 said:
The Pro Football Writers Association voted Lamar MVP this year. Barkley was OPOY and Surtain was DPOY. I have not seen the vote totals anywhere, so I don't know how close the balloting was.
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Well that explains why there are so many bad football articles.
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Just curious why this is somehow scandalous or blatantly in error. Jackson had a statistically better season than Allen did (who is a heavy favorite to win the MVP award). I know you think Saquon should win, but Barkley didn't set any records, was not demonstrably better than Henry, and many other backs have put up similar season totals and didn't win MVP. Saquon ended the season 226 short of Chris Johnson's record for YFS and 101 yards short of Dickerson's rushing yardage record.

If people want to say RBs (or other positions) should garner a lot more recognition and be serious candidates for MVP, I agree with that. However, the voters almost always go with QBs. It is what it is. IMO, I don't think Barkley was the clear MVP. He was one of the top candidates. Put another way, if he won, I would not be outraged. If he didn't win, I also would not be outraged.
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Most Valuable is the term that needs to be defined when determining the winner. Statistics should not mean everything in determining who the MVP is, why? Because stats lie, Saquon did not play in week 18 so the potential for him to break both those records was out there had his team needed a win. Would that change your thought process? That is just one example of stats lying, there are plenty of others.
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Again, I was only expressing how the MVP voters apparently feel based on their voting patterns. Would my opinion change any? Probably not. Dickerson, Johnson, and Barkley all played in 16 games. That seems like a fair comparison. Could Barkley have set a new record if he played Week 18. Probably. Even then, that might not have swayed many voters. There's already talk of adding an 18th game. At some point, many seasonal records will eventually fall because teams are playing more games.

There were 12 seasons where a player had more YFS than Barkley did this year . . . 4 of them were MVP in that season. There were 7 RBs that rushed for more yards than Barkley did this season . . . 3 of them were MVP in that season. That's just the way it is for MVP balloting . . . and it's only gotten more QB-centric.
 
Forgot to mention, the Eagles ranked 7th in offensive points scored and 8th in offensive yardage in 2023. In 2024, they ranked 7th in offensive points scored and 8th in offensive yardage. How much did Barkley really impact the offense? Their production was statistically almost the same. The real difference this year for PHI was the defense. They allowed 1,322 fewer yards and 125 fewer points this year compared to last year. No doubt Barkley had a great season, but if we are trying to put an emphasis on "value," he didn't really move the needle much in terms of the Eagles offense. They performed almost exactly the same with him this year as they did last year.
 
Eagles moved from #8 in time of possession last year to #2 this year. I'd imagine Barkley had quite a bit to do with that. Keeping your defense off of the field is a big piece of this.
 
Oh, and to be clear, I have Lamar as the MVP, not Barkley. Just that it's the entire picture, not just traditional stats that should be considered when trying to determine overall value. But by that basis, Mahomes should likely always win the MVP.
 
brewer said:
Eagles moved from #8 in time of possession last year to #2 this year. I'd imagine Barkley had quite a bit to do with that. Keeping your defense off of the field is a big piece of this.
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Not sure that was as attributable to Barkley as it may seem. It could, but I don't think so. The Eagles ran 1,112 offensive plays in 2023 and 1,114 plays in 2024. Yes, they ran over 100 more times this year . . . but as I already pointed out, that's because the defense was light years better this season. As such, playing with the lead, they were able to run out the clock at the end of games this year. Yes, Barkley excelled at that (IIRC, he set the NFL record for most rushing yards across the second half of games this year). It's a lot easier to do that when your season point differential is +160 vs. +5 like it was in 2023. No one should look at this as me ragging on Barkley. He was fantastic. But IMO, the defensive performance this year had a way bigger impact on the Eagles than Barkey did.
 
Well, the list of finalists for each individual award was just released today:

MVP: Josh Allen (Bills QB), Saquon Barkley (Eagles RB), Joe Burrow (Bengals QB), Jared Goff (Lions QB), Lamar Jackson (Ravens QB)

Offensive Player of the Year: Saquon Barkley (Eagles RB), Joe Burrow (Bengals QB), Ja'Marr Chase (Bengals WR), Derrick Henry (Ravens RB), Lamar Jackson (Ravens QB)

Defensive Player of the Year: Zack Baun (Eagles LB), Myles Garrett (Browns DE), Trey Hendrickson (Bengals DE), Patrick Surtain II (Broncos CB), T.J. Watt (Steelers LB)

Comeback Player of the Year: Joe Burrow (Bengals QB), Sam Darnold (Vikings QB), J.K. Dobbins (Chargers RB), Christian Gonzalez (Patriots CB), Damar Hamlin (Bills S)

Offensive Rookie of the Year: Brock Bowers (Raiders TE), Jayden Daniels (Commanders QB), Malik Nabers (Giants WR), Bo Nix (Broncos QB), Brian Thomas Jr. (Jaguars WR)

Defensive Rookie of the Year: Cooper DeJean (Eagles CB), Braden Fiske (Rams DE), Quinyon Mitchell (Eagles CB), Chop Robinson (Dolphins LB), Jared Verse (Rams LB)

Coach of the Year: Dan Campbell (Lions), Kevin O'Connell (Vikings), Sean Payton (Broncos), Dan Quinn (Commanders), Andy Reid (Chiefs)

Assistant Coach of the Year: Joe Brady (Bills OC), Vic Fangio (Eagles DC), Brian Flores (Vikings DC), Aaron Glenn (Lions DC), Ben Johnson (Lions OC)
 
BassNBrew said:
BINGBING said:
BassNBrew said:
MVP should be Barkley and it's not even close. Lamar and Allen had above average seasons but were weren't as good as Burrow, Goff, or Mayfield. If you don't throw for as many yards as Geno Smith, you are disqualified from winning.

Barkley was outstanding even w/o getting to stat pad another 200 yards in week 18.
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What a ridiculous arbitrary line in the sand to draw. If you don't run for as many TD's as Kyren Williams you are disqualified from winning. See how that works? Also, when did passing yards become the main factor in deciding what QB is most qualified as an MVP candidate? Jameis Winston led in passing yards in 2019. That's all i'm saying.

I love Saquon, and I don't want this to sound like a personal attack. I just think it's a bad case you made to determine the QB candidates for MVP.
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The point was that there's not much differentiating a handful of QBs. Barkley total dominated is position, the team had a great record, and he pushed historical numbers. Reminds me of two years ago when Kupp lapped the field and got screwed. He doubled down in the playoffs and gave the voters a big fu. Barkley is on his way.
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:bowtie:
 
I think Darnold should have gotten comeback but I get it. The rest I agree with except fan of the year, give that award to a fan of a crappy team that still roots for their awful team (e.g me)
 
BLOCKED_PUNT said:

NFL Honors: Who votes for the Associated Press NFL awards, how to watch and more | FOX Sports

The Associated Press has eight NFL awards, considered to be the league’s official awards
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A nationwide panel of 50 media members who regularly cover the league completed voting before the playoffs began. Voters this season included three-time MVP Tom Brady, Rich Gannon, who also was an MVP, Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy and ESPN analyst Mina Kimes.
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They really need to change this up with who can vote. The MVP award is just dopey at this point and useless. Just call it the best QB of the year award.

Saquan Barkley is having possibly the best year ever for a RB yet they don’t give it to him. It’s obvious a RB will never sniff the award, who knows when we will see even a similar year from the position, and if we do do all the QBs have to fail for a TB to be considered?

Sports media blows
 
need2know said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
modogg said:
Saquan Barkley is having possibly the best year ever for a RB yet they don’t give it to him.
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If Barkley and Allen had suffered season ending injuries in week 1 which team do you think would have a better chance of advancing to the conference championship games the Eagles or the Bills?
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Good point
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If that's the test, then only QBs will win the MVP award and if that's the test, wouldn't Jayden Daniels have been the winner? He was literally working with less talent around him than Josh Allen. We know if you take Daniels off the Commanders, they're the 2nd worst team in the league.
 
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