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Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it
Irrelevant to the original question of "fix the passing offense".

I would also like to point out that Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring, so that would "debunk" the "has a Super Bow ring so he must be an awesome passer" argument.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it
Irrelevant to the original question of "fix the passing offense".

I would also like to point out that Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring, so that would "debunk" the "has a Super Bow ring so he must be an awesome passer" argument.
Was Dilfer MVP?
 
I guess EVENTUALLY the Hurts naysayers and haters will be proven right. Hopefully it's after another Super Bowl victory or two....but I'm fine with a regular season MVP runner up, two Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl win, a Super Bowl MVP and beating pretty much every other QB supposedly better than him in the head to head matchups in the past few regular seasons.

It’s the same nonsense over and over. Yes, he is not a QB who can carry a team by himself with his arm. How many QB’s today are? 🤔

He needs a good supporting cast like most QB’s. When he has that, he does awesome most times 🤷‍♂️

The reason you keep hearing it is because it's true. And you everyone knows it's true. He's not a terrible QB, he's just another run of the mill running QB who runs because the passing skills are not there. Sure, he has good days, but has mostly average or bad days and it's a reason he runs and needs help getting over goal lines. You're so wowed by the running stats and assisted TDs it never occurred to any of you to look at his passing. You're paying a RB to play the QB position.
I get it, you want attention and I hope you get it 😂
Isn’t he a jets fan? Sucks having Fields at QB and a terrible GM
 
Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?
I hate the QB wins stat. It’s so team dependent. You got guys like Marino who’d have more wins if the team around him wasn’t so bad, or Peyton Manning would have more SB apps if his defebse played better
 
The Philadelphia Eagles may be undefeated, but the price of victory is starting to mount.

Jalen Carter, who has been battling a shoulder issue since training camp, reaggravated the injury in Sunday’s win over Tampa Bay. He left in the second half, was listed as questionable, but came back to finish the fight alongside his teammates, showing grit and toughness Philly fans know well.

Now, Carter will undergo further testing to determine the extent of the damage. His status moving forward will be crucial, with the defensive line relying heavily on his disruptive presence in the trenches.

The Eagles also lost Ogbo Okoronkwo and Lane Johnson during the game, adding to the concern.

Philly is 4-0, but the real test begins now, can the Eagles stay healthy enough to chase another deep postseason run?
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it
Irrelevant to the original question of "fix the passing offense".

I would also like to point out that Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring, so that would "debunk" the "has a Super Bow ring so he must be an awesome passer" argument.
Was Dilfer MVP?
How many yards did you have to move the goal posts to add that additional qualifier on once I sunk your "Super Bowl Ring" argument?
 
Yeah, was thinking a bit about this today. The Eagles have had a tough schedule and are getting the best other teams can give. I'm concerned about the inconsistency on offense BUT they have shown they can be explosive. Last year they were 2-2 after four games and didn't look so great then either. The season is still pretty young, and Nick and this team have earned a little trust/leeway.
I don’t agree with a lot of ESP’s takes but he had one the other day I agreed with. I’m paraphrasing but he was basically saying we’re now at a level where we’re being judged like dominant college programs. Where if we don’t win a certain way or by so many points it’s almost a negative. I couldn’t agree more.

We lost a lot of quality players and coaches (how many OC’s is it now for Hurts?), have some poor play, younger starters and players dinged up. That’s all before you factors in the opening schedule. With all that said we’re 4-0. Patullo has been overall what I think rational people expected. We were never going to replace Moore’s experience. As bad as the offense is at times it’s shown some flashes. Hopefully they become more consistent.
I heard this take too. I'll listen to his early morning POD sometimes when I'm walking the dog before sunrise out here, but I agree with the sentiment. Its no longer about winning but how it looks/whether this really becomes a dynasty, etc

Until we start losing of course
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it
Irrelevant to the original question of "fix the passing offense".

I would also like to point out that Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring, so that would "debunk" the "has a Super Bow ring so he must be an awesome passer" argument.
Was Dilfer MVP?
How many yards did you have to move the goal posts to add that additional qualifier on once I sunk your "Super Bowl Ring" argument?
None. He still has the ring and the MVP. Balled out in both Super Bowls he was in. Guys the best QB in the NFL. Sorry you can't relate.
 
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.
How DARE he post in YOUR thread on a public message board!!!

Right?
Wrong, anyone can come in here. Notice how members of the Cowboys thread were asking ME to leave when Micah Parsons got traded, we are built different.

I'm just saying lol look in the mirror. Packers fan, of a team that is 2-1-1, losing to a beat up Cowboys team

THEN coming into the Eagles thread to talk crap about hurts

Its just funny man lighten up broski
 
Wrong, anyone can come in here. Notice how members of the Cowboys thread were asking ME to leave when Micah Parsons got traded, we are built different.
1 guy iirc. All are welcome in the cowboys thread imo. It’s the team thread, not a fan page.

Anyone that types a post in the eagles thread without one hand on the eagles junk gets the troll treatment from the toughest fan base in the league. Some things never change
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it
Irrelevant to the original question of "fix the passing offense".

I would also like to point out that Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring, so that would "debunk" the "has a Super Bow ring so he must be an awesome passer" argument.
Was Dilfer MVP?
How many yards did you have to move the goal posts to add that additional qualifier on once I sunk your "Super Bowl Ring" argument?
None. He still has the ring and the MVP. Balled out in both Super Bowls he was in. Guys the best QB in the NFL. Sorry you can't relate.

I humbly respect your opinion, but your original statement that I responded to was "Super Bowl ring says debunked on the side of it", to which I replied "Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl ring".

After realizing your statement was countered and parried with relative ease, you then had to save face and add an ADDITIONAL qualifier on to it "Was Dilfer MVP?" which, of course, means you would have kept narrowing down and adding more and more qualifiers to get to your supposition.

He is not the best QB in the NFL and certainly not one of the better passers in the NFL, but that is all opinion, of course.

And I can relate to having the best QB in the NFL. As a Packers fan, Aaron Rodgers had like 3 MVPs in a row (sorry YOU can't relate to that) and a Super Bowl ring as well. So, yeah, even that statement by you was "debunked".
 
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Wrong, anyone can come in here. Notice how members of the Cowboys thread were asking ME to leave when Micah Parsons got traded, we are built different.
1 guy iirc. All are welcome in the cowboys thread imo. It’s the team thread, not a fan page.

Anyone that types a post in the eagles thread without one hand on the eagles junk gets the troll treatment from the toughest fan base in the league. Some things never change
NAILED IT!
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Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.

Before you even get to the QB throwing the ball, there are a number of events that need to happen.

1. The play call and play design need to be called and designed properly. The Eagles are way to predictable in certain formations.
2. You need to properly identify the defense and set up the blocking scheme and audible if necessary.
3. Once set, you need the offensive line to block properly.
4. You need the receivers to win their one-on-one and sometimes one-on-two battles.

Then, if all that happens, you need the QB to be able to deliver the ball on time and accurately. You're jumping straight to the end and disregarding all the other things that go into a play. But again, I say your argument is a demurrer argument because even when things break down during a play, or a quarter, or a half, the QB and the team are doing enough to win the game. That's what's important. It doesn't have to look pretty, it just has to be effective. I think fantasy football has really ruined peoples perceptions of what really matters.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.

Before you even get to the QB throwing the ball, there are a number of events that need to happen.

1. The play call and play design need to be called and designed properly. The Eagles are way to predictable in certain formations.
2. You need to properly identify the defense and set up the blocking scheme and audible if necessary.
3. Once set, you need the offensive line to block properly.
4. You need the receivers to win their one-on-one and sometimes one-on-two battles.

Then, if all that happens, you need the QB to be able to deliver the ball on time and accurately. You're jumping straight to the end and disregarding all the other things that go into a play. But again, I say your argument is a demurrer argument because even when things break down during a play, or a quarter, or a half, the QB and the team are doing enough to win the game. That's what's important. It doesn't have to look pretty, it just has to be effective. I think fantasy football has really ruined peoples perceptions of what really matters.
Meh, Ceedee had stone hand syndrome and 2 miraculous blocks or you’re 2-2
:coffee:
 
Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?
I hate the QB wins stat. It’s so team dependent. You got guys like Marino who’d have more wins if the team around him wasn’t so bad, or Peyton Manning would have more SB apps if his defebse played better

You will admit that the QB is a huge part of team success, probably the most important part.
 
Yeah, this has kind of been on my mind all weekend. I'm a redraft league where I took Hurts. I normally wouldn't have, but I was tired and a bit out of it from traveling and I had forgotten our league went from 4 pt. passing TDs to 6, so Hurts was a dumb draft pick even at the later stage where I got him. I am not bitter about it at all, but I've been watching and I'm just more than confused with your OC. Perhaps there's a good reason, but damn you guys were close to losing three games with that team and that set of skill players.

Here's Greg Cosell, who is very respected around the league and tells it nicely but fairly:


There are more, but I have limited time to find and get the exact spot cued up, etc.
 
The Eagles have made a move at long snapper

They have signed Cal Adomitis to the active roster and placed LS Charley Hughlett on injured reserve

DE Ogbo Okoronkwo has also been placed on injured reserve
 
Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?
I hate the QB wins stat. It’s so team dependent. You got guys like Marino who’d have more wins if the team around him wasn’t so bad, or Peyton Manning would have more SB apps if his defebse played better

You will admit that the QB is a huge part of team success, probably the most important part.
Oh it it is I’m just saying it’s like arguing wins and loses for starting pitchers
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.
The problem is that statistics are NOT opinion, and you repeatedly ignore the statistics while repeatedly making opinionated non statistical statements such as the Eagles only win because of the tush push. And thats lame TBH, at times kind of infuriating. You come across not as someone who wants to have honest conversation, but as a troll
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.
The problem is that statistics are NOT opinion, and you repeatedly ignore the statistics while repeatedly making opinionated non statistical statements such as the Eagles only win because of the tush push. And thats lame TBH, at times kind of infuriating. You come across not as someone who wants to have honest conversation, but as a troll
Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the bat so the only ones NOT being honest here are, apparently, the Eagles homers. You can literally go back and look at the immediate responses to my posts and clearly see that no one wants an honest conversation about Hurts as a passer.

And I'm not ignoring statistics. I'm ignoring cherry-picked statistics.
 
Per Jeremy Fowler Eagles likely won’t trade Brown in season given his dead cap but could could trade him after season either as a post June 1st or before that and eat the $$$. Fowler said Eagles could lean heavily on their elite OL and run game. Teams are focusing on zone heavy schemes that Hurts also struggles with.
 
it's painfully clear that offensive line is the single most important aspect of every football team. Without at least 4 above average to good pieces on the OL, your stars mean nothing.
And this is a bigger issue with our offensive struggles than most are letting on. Dickerson is having by far his worst season as a pro. Jurgens and Steen have been bad as well.

The OC usage of them has been poor too. We used to use Kelce and Jurgens’ athleticism as smaller centers and pull them. I don’t think Jurgens has pulled a single time this year.

Landon Dickerson, Tyler Steen, and Cam Jurgens have a combined 26 pressures allowed through four games.

They also have a combined run blocking grade of 57.8 (that's bad) FWIW.
 
Line opened at PHI -5.5, now down to -3 in some places. Lot of money coming in on DEN :ponder:
Overreaction to Monday night blow out score. People coming in on Denver 5.5 and 4.5 quickly. 3.5 is a fair line I think.
And as crazy as it sounds this is the most uneasy I’ve felt about a game so far this year. I like the short rest and being honest but their defense travels well
 
Line opened at PHI -5.5, now down to -3 in some places. Lot of money coming in on DEN :ponder:
Overreaction to Monday night blow out score. People coming in on Denver 5.5 and 4.5 quickly. 3.5 is a fair line I think.
And as crazy as it sounds this is the most uneasy I’ve felt about a game so far this year. I like the short rest and being honest but their defense travels well
It's a game we should still win. Denver's offense has not looked good in any game yet. Even against the Bengals, they had many opportunities to score and only ended up with 28. They should have probably scored 42. Their defense is good but it seems like we do well scheming against good defenses. Plus the game will be at home and it's only going to be like 75° this Sunday. Less chance of getting gassed by 2nd half. I think Barkley finally breaks loose this week. 125 and a couple of TDs.

34-23 Eagles
 
Their LBs can’t cover squat. Look for Saquon and Shipley to have big pass catching days. DEN has the worst grade in the NFL on throws to RBs

Noticed that too. Big day for RBs and TEs on Sunday.

Also, there was a video in their gameday thread where both DEs took wide angles to the QB and left a lane between both T & Gs a mile wide. It led to a sack against Cincy, but with Hurts that's 10 yards easy.
 
Listening on the radio, Hugh Douglas relayed some concerning conversations he's had with current players in the last day or so. Basically he said that he texted a few guys on the team that he's friends with to inquire about whats going on with AJ Brown. Said he immediately got a bunch of calls back from these players that told him they weren't going to touch that. He said that his sense in talking to these guys was that whatever the problem is, its bigger than football. And that at least one of the guys said, "hey man, its BAD bad."

The assumption here is that its a continuation of the broken relationship with Jalen that BG spoke out about last year. This is starting to smell like some Donovan/TO type stuff, except that they at least were able to look past the personal problems and produce on the field. If these guys can't work through whatever this is, it has the potential to derail this season.
 
Listening on the radio, Hugh Douglas relayed some concerning conversations he's had with current players in the last day or so. Basically he said that he texted a few guys on the team that he's friends with to inquire about whats going on with AJ Brown. Said he immediately got a bunch of calls back from these players that told him they weren't going to touch that. He said that his sense in talking to these guys was that whatever the problem is, its bigger than football. And that at least one of the guys said, "hey man, its BAD bad."

The assumption here is that its a continuation of the broken relationship with Jalen that BG spoke out about last year. This is starting to smell like some Donovan/TO type stuff, except that they at least were able to look past the personal problems and produce on the field. If these guys can't work through whatever this is, it has the potential to derail this season.
I think half of this to 75% is for the clicks and views. If you look at what AJ said after the SB it’s pretty simple. He just wants the ball and the fame that comes with being a dominate WR. All this other “story time” stuff is typical Philly reporter nonsense.

*ETA* the quote following the SB win:

“I tried to feel how everyone made it seem to be a champion and unfortunately it was short lived.. 2 days to be exact lol.. I thought my hard work would be justified by winning it all. It wasn't. My thrill for this game comes when i dominate. It's the Hunt that does it for me. It's when the Db drops his head and surrender because he can't F with me.”
 
Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the ba
Because trolls in 2025 still think they’re creative. It’s like the 2025 version of prank phone calls 🤷‍♂️ Everyone sees it except the ones who “just wanna have a serious conversation about how Hurts is a RB playing QB”. Go buy a dog or hit the gym. You’ll be happier, troll 😂
Case in point. :lol:

Homers gonna' homer, I guess.
 
Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the ba
Because trolls in 2025 still think they’re creative. It’s like the 2025 version of prank phone calls 🤷‍♂️ Everyone sees it except the ones who “just wanna have a serious conversation about how Hurts is a RB playing QB”. Go buy a dog or hit the gym. You’ll be happier, troll 😂
This isn’t very excellent. You’re lucky that only eagles fans report people for **** like this or you’d be gone
But everyone else is the troll. :rolleyes:
 
Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the ba
Because trolls in 2025 still think they’re creative. It’s like the 2025 version of prank phone calls 🤷‍♂️ Everyone sees it except the ones who “just wanna have a serious conversation about how Hurts is a RB playing QB”. Go buy a dog or hit the gym. You’ll be happier, troll 😂
This isn’t very excellent. You’re lucky that only eagles fans report people for **** like this or you’d be gone
But everyone else is the troll. :rolleyes:
Exactly
 
Eagles likely won’t trade Brown
He could have just stopped there.
I won’t be surprised if they do trade him in the offseason at this point. They rely a lot more on the run then pass. Devonta is like a de facto 1A at this point. You could go and get a TE maybe two and run 11 and 12 personel and 2 TE sets. Metchie is a good 2 to have and given what Brown is paid and his production last year and so far this year doesn’t warrant having that type of $$$ tied up in both WRs.
 
Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.
Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.
JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times
Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.
Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here
Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.
You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?
I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.
The problem is that statistics are NOT opinion, and you repeatedly ignore the statistics while repeatedly making opinionated non statistical statements such as the Eagles only win because of the tush push. And thats lame TBH, at times kind of infuriating. You come across not as someone who wants to have honest conversation, but as a troll
Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the bat so the only ones NOT being honest here are, apparently, the Eagles homers. You can literally go back and look at the immediate responses to my posts and clearly see that no one wants an honest conversation about Hurts as a passer.

And I'm not ignoring statistics. I'm ignoring cherry-picked statistics.
No dude you’re at the point of just flame posting and trolling for a reaction. Go find yourself a girlfriend to entertain you while ott better yet go outside and touch some grass.
 
I am looking forward to Denver coming to town. Not ready to predict anything yet. I have to give it some more thought. First glance, advantage Eagles defense. Which might be enough. Beginning of the season - I had the Eagles winning easily. Now, gonna have to smokem peace pipe to get a read on this game.
 

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