*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: blow winnable game in Chicago (16 Viewers)

[rockaction]

I’ll be at the game as well but with a buddy from Buffalo and likely a bunch of Bills fans.

Fully expect the Steelers to get clobbered

My son's Make a Wish was to meet the Steelers players and attend a game. My daughter was encouraging him to get a puppy instead . He chose the Steelers. But we will get to be Tomlin's personal guest at the Friday practice. I kind of wish he chose the dog.

Dude, God bless you and your son. I hope he has the day of his life and it’ll be the one day out of the past year I’ll be pulling for Tomlin to be on. Peace.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I’ll be at the game as well but with a buddy from Buffalo and likely a bunch of Bills fans.

Fully expect the Steelers to get clobbered

My son's Make a Wish was to meet the Steelers players and attend a game. My daughter was encouraging him to get a puppy instead . He chose the Steelers. But we will get to be Tomlin's personal guest at the Friday practice. I kind of wish he chose the dog.

Dude, God bless you and your son. I hope he has the day of his life and it’ll be the one day out of the past year I’ll be pulling for Tomlin to be on. Peace.

Love you brother

 

[rockaction]

I’ll be at the game as well but with a buddy from Buffalo and likely a bunch of Bills fans.

Fully expect the Steelers to get clobbered

My son's Make a Wish was to meet the Steelers players and attend a game. My daughter was encouraging him to get a puppy instead . He chose the Steelers. But we will get to be Tomlin's personal guest at the Friday practice. I kind of wish he chose the dog.

Dude, God bless you and your son. I hope he has the day of his life and it’ll be the one day out of the past year I’ll be pulling for Tomlin to be on. Peace.

Love you brother

You too, man.

 

[3C's]

Former players stating the obvious.

https://x.com/937theFan/status/1993346149583913227

https://x.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1993034374863110264 (don't make deebo angry!)

 

[cdclopper]

I’ll be at the game as well but with a buddy from Buffalo and likely a bunch of Bills fans.

Fully expect the Steelers to get clobbered

My son's Make a Wish was to meet the Steelers players and attend a game. My daughter was encouraging him to get a puppy instead . He chose the Steelers. But we will get to be Tomlin's personal guest at the Friday practice. I kind of wish he chose the dog.

There are 31 other teams to pick

 

[cdclopper]

Former players stating the obvious.

https://x.com/937theFan/status/1993346149583913227

https://x.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1993034374863110264 (don't make deebo angry!)

Well it was a loss so of course it's coaching that is responsible. If it were a win the players would be responsible.

 

[Steelers4Life]

The Steelers biggest shortcoming for the past however long hasn't been talent. It's been coaching. The talent is the reason they can overcome the poor coaching and win enough games to squeak into the playoffs, often as a 7 seed that didn't even used to exist.

Some people scoff at the reality that Tomlin has no coaching tree. And even if you believe that he could be a competent head coach if he had strong assistants, it falls on him that he targets assistants who'll run his own outdated vision of what the Steelers should be.

They need a new OC and DC, and the only way that happens is if Tomlin is shown the door. We're stuck in this world without any realistic end in sight.

 

[Godsbrother]

My biggest issue with Tomlin over the past 5 seasons is the team has been treading water. They aren’t horrible, they aren’t good, and they have no identity.

It won’t happen but a change of the entire coaching staff is needed after the season.

 

[fred_1_15301]

My biggest issue with Tomlin over the past 5 seasons is the team has been treading water. They aren’t horrible, they aren’t good, and they have no identity.

It won’t happen but a change of the entire coaching staff is needed after the season.

I’ll talk to him about it when I see him on Friday.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

My biggest issue with Tomlin over the past 5 seasons is the team has been treading water. They aren’t horrible, they aren’t good, and they have no identity.

It won’t happen but a change of the entire coaching staff is needed after the season.

Letting Flores leave the building and keeping Austin was a huge mistake. Being soft and poor communication has been a constant theme under Austin. Correct me if I am wrong, but when Flores was just an assistant, that was the best the D performed in recent history, right?

I'm not sure what to say about the O. We are still scared to throw in the middle, even though some of the biggest plays have been slants, rather than go balls. And we have all of these TEs and we took no advantage of the decimated LB crew? Made so little sense.

 

[3C's]

Former players stating the obvious.

https://x.com/937theFan/status/1993346149583913227

https://x.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1993034374863110264 (don't make deebo angry!)

Well it was a loss so of course it's coaching that is responsible. If it were a win the players would be responsible.

Players have to play, they have to execute, but when the coaching, plays, schemes all suck the coaches are surely to blame. Even when they win it's typically against inferior teams and they struggle to put them away. They can't beat any of the playoff teams from either conference.

 

[Steelers4Life]

My biggest issue with Tomlin over the past 5 seasons is the team has been treading water. They aren’t horrible, they aren’t good, and they have no identity.

It won’t happen but a change of the entire coaching staff is needed after the season.

It's been moee than 5 years, my friend.

Since Bell and Brown moved on, it's been 7 of the last 8 seasons now of between 8 and 10 wins, and their last 3 playoff seedings have been 7, 7, and 6.

The only team that won more games was Ben's last good year, the 12 win team in 2020 that started out a flukey 11-0 and ended up 12-4 with another embarrassing home loss in the playoffs to the Browns.

The only constants over the 8 years have been vanilla, outdated schemes run by Tomlin's hand picked coordinators. Been beating this drum for years now and there's never really been any sign of changing the status quo. Tomlin has a lifetime pass until he decides he's done.

 

[Max55]

As far as the O goes there’s been some changes at the skill positions since Ben left. There’s been changes at O coordinator. But it still looks like the same O that can’t consistently score, can’t come from behind. Tomlin is the common denominator.

And now the highest paid Def looks like, and is, a bottom 10 option as far as scoring and yards.

Trade Tomlin, clean house with the assistants. Hire an offensive minded HC.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

After almost a full decade (but especially since Ben called it quits) of "do the same things, expect different results", for anyone to diminish or outright deny that a large part of the Steelers' current issues are predicated on schematics/coaching feels almost willfully obtuse.

Many of their problems are almost certainly systemic and have been festering for a much, much longer time than the past handful of years. Ben disguised a lot of warts on the offensive side of the ball, particularly from the Fichtner years onward. Like, a LOT lot. He'd just say "eff it" and call old Bruce Arians plays and dare Tomlin to do anything about it (knowing that he wouldn't/couldn't). The outright fear of throwing over the middle, in this era of the NFL is nonsensical.

Whatever they have decided to do on defense this year (e.g. playing far more man than zone, blitzing out of single high, etc etc) is inexplicable once you get a gander at the all 22 from most of these games. It's is ragingly clear they don't have the right players to man up on even "pretty okay" WRs. The most perplexing thing, to me at least, is that they clearly have seen that it isn't working and have went away from it for 2-3 games...which happen to be the 2-3 best games they've played defensively....and then promptly went to what wasn't working prior. Which resulted in an almost INSTANT reversion to the opponent getting a dozen completions over the middle in the games they went back to the single high, man heavy gameplans.

Tomlin gets to be final arbiter on scheme/gameplans. Therefore he gets, deservedly, the lion's share of the blame for the tepid results. Regardless of his claims to the contrary, he coaches in his fears. "We'll not turn the ball over and pray we can take it away and eventually our Edges guys will get home and our kicker can win us games." That hasn't worked when it mattered very often since 2017, tho.

 

[3C's]

It would be fitting that this happens when there's almost 0 hot head coach candidates out there.

Stage is Set for Mike Tomlin to Leave Steelers

Though speculation about Mike Tomlin's future with the Pittsburgh Steelers has run rampant over the past handful of years, it feels as though it has legs for pe

www.si.com

 

[cdclopper]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

Cowher took over a struggling franchise and built them into an annual contender. Tomlin took over a ready-made Super Bowl contender coming off an 8-8 year only because of Ben's motorcycle accident, won with them for a few years, and turned them into the definition of mediocrity for the past 15 years.

Cowher made the playoffs in 10 out of 15 years and won a playoff game in 8 of his 15 seasons. He had only 2 one and dones... his first two years when he was building his team. His longest playoff WIN drought was 3 years.

And he did all that with Kordell, Tomczak, and O'Donnell until they finally drafted Ben in his 2nd to last year... and he immediately reached a conference championship game and won a Super Bowl with a future HOF QB as a rookie and second year pro.

If someone wants to blame Cowher for neglecting the QB position for so long, that's fair. His success despite that was awesome.

Tomlin has been to the playoffs 12 times in 18 years with several of them as a 7th seed or the number would be about 50%. And in those 12 playoff seasons, he's been one and done EIGHT times. They've won a single playoff game in only 4 of his 18 seasons... only 2 of the past 14. That's just awful.

And he did that with a first ballot HOF QB for 15 of those seasons (13 if you remove 2019 and 2021 when Ben lost his fastball).

If Tomlin hadn't won early with the team he inherited, he'd have been fired years ago and been an afterthought. Because nothing he's done since 2011 has been worthy of his reputation.

 

[cdclopper]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

 

[Max55]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

And we want Tomlin gone now. Trade him.

All the Tomlin apologists need to accept that Tomlin can still be a good coach, but both he and the Steelers can be better off with a change of scenery. The Tomlin message is stale.

Here’s an apples to oranges for you.

The Pittsburgh penguins let Stanley Cup coach Mike Sullivan go, hired a no-name, and look better than they have in years. New system, new message, new results.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

 

[sm8680]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Cowher went 11 years before finally breaking through. Tomlin’s had 17 years and hasn’t sniffed another Lombardi. At some point, stability without championships isn’t enough. The standard is the standard and right now, Tomlin isn’t meeting it.

 

[3C's]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

So what? BFD. Tomlin needs to go. The (coaching) lifespan of an NFL coach is about 7 years with 1 team. He's more than overstayed his welcome.

 

[3C's]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Don't remind me. I was at that Chargers game.

 

[crushedspirit]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Cowher went to playoff games with scrub QBs and the team always put up a fight to the bitter end. Going this long without a playoff win was also unheard of under his leadership. He built the Steelers from the ground up while coach T was given the keys to that built up Ferrari and after enjoying the ride for a few years, he ended up tuning it downwards into a Civic.

Everytime I hear any comparisons between these two my body wants to convulse.

 

[sm8680]

The Franchise QB Effect: Elevating WRs
Ben Roethlisberger's Receivers
Ben was an "Elevator" of talent, maximizing his receivers' potential through his pocket presence and advanced ball placement.

• The Fade: The careers of Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace, Martavis Bryant, JuJu Smith-Schuster and Chase Claypool declined significantly after leaving Pittsburgh. This is the proof: their success was heavily reliant on Big Ben covering their flaws and setting them up for high-leverage catches. Emanuel Sanders is the outlier.

George Pickens Case Study
Pickens's success illustrates the reverse: A poor QB and scheme held him back.

• With Steelers (Non-Franchise QB): Pickens relied on contested catches and highlights, often because the throw was not perfectly delivered. His volume and scheme use were capped.
• With Cowboys (Dak Prescott - Franchise QB): Prescott's elite accuracy and high-volume offense are amplifying Pickens's strengths, providing catchable balls in rhythm and utilizing him across the full route tree, leading to his current breakout.

The take-away: A franchise QB sets a receiver's high ceiling and stable floor by masking weaknesses and amplifying strengths.

 

[cdclopper]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Cowher went to playoff games with scrub QBs and the team always put up a fight to the bitter end. Going this long without a playoff win was also unheard of under his leadership. He built the Steelers from the ground up while coach T was given the keys to that built up Ferrari and after enjoying the ride for a few years, he ended up tuning it downwards into a Civic.

Everytime I hear any comparisons between these two my body wants to convulse.

The comparison is, despite how awesome Cowher is and how esteemed in Steelers fans minds now, they still wanted him fired.

 

[cdclopper]

The Steelers are not going to fire Tomlin. Just accept it.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Cowher went to playoff games with scrub QBs and the team always put up a fight to the bitter end. Going this long without a playoff win was also unheard of under his leadership. He built the Steelers from the ground up while coach T was given the keys to that built up Ferrari and after enjoying the ride for a few years, he ended up tuning it downwards into a Civic.

Everytime I hear any comparisons between these two my body wants to convulse.

The comparison is, despite how awesome Cowher is and how esteemed in Steelers fans minds now, they still wanted him fired.

For very, very different reasons.

 

[Max55]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Cowher went to playoff games with scrub QBs and the team always put up a fight to the bitter end. Going this long without a playoff win was also unheard of under his leadership. He built the Steelers from the ground up while coach T was given the keys to that built up Ferrari and after enjoying the ride for a few years, he ended up tuning it downwards into a Civic.

Everytime I hear any comparisons between these two my body wants to convulse.

The comparison is, despite how awesome Cowher is and how esteemed in Steelers fans minds now, they still wanted him fired.

For very, very different reasons.

Tell us why since you apparently know?

 

[Steelers4Life]

Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's head in 2002. I for one am glad the Rooney's didn't agree.

Its laughable to compare Tomlin to Cowher.

All that stuff that you say about Cowher.... but Steelers fans still wanted him fired in 2002.

The frustration with Cowher was because of the losses in the AFC Championship game, which were directly because of his loyalty to bad QBs.

It was never about questioning his ability as a coach, questioning his ability to hire assistants, or saying his message was stale.

Comparing anything about his success to Tomlin is an insult to Cowher.

Cowher went to playoff games with scrub QBs and the team always put up a fight to the bitter end. Going this long without a playoff win was also unheard of under his leadership. He built the Steelers from the ground up while coach T was given the keys to that built up Ferrari and after enjoying the ride for a few years, he ended up tuning it downwards into a Civic.

Everytime I hear any comparisons between these two my body wants to convulse.

The comparison is, despite how awesome Cowher is and how esteemed in Steelers fans minds now, they still wanted him fired.

For very, very different reasons.

Tell us why since you apparently know?

Scroll up. I already mentioned my thoughts on that and so have others.

People who want Tomlin fired feel that way because of a lack of any real success in the past 14 years. He won with the team he inherited and not since. Only 4 of his 18 years with even a single playoff win and 8 one and dones in 12 playoff appearances. No playoff wins for 8 years. The creation of a 7th seed is the only reason his making the playoffs % is over 50%. Preaching about a standard that clearly doesn't exist anymore. No coaching tree, consistently awful hires as assistant coaches... take your pick, lots of reasons.

On the other hand, no one really ever questioned Cowher's ability as a coach, just frustration at losing AFCC games because of inferior QB play. He never went more than 3 years without a playoff win and won at least 1 playoff game in 8 of his 10 years in the playoffs. Noll didn't leave him much, and he built what he had. It was fair for people to question whether he'd ever win the big one because of his loyalty to crappy QBs, and before Ben was drafted he did everything he did with below average QB play. With Ben, he went to the AFCC and a Super Bowl before his motorcycle accident.

 

[3C's]

The Steelers are not going to fire Tomlin. Just accept it.

No one said they will. They should doesn't mean they will.

A mutually agreed parting of ways is a possibility though.

 

[Dizzy]

The Steelers are not going to fire Tomlin. Just accept it.

No one said they will. They should doesn't mean they will.

A mutually agreed parting of ways is a possibility though.

They could trade him.

 

[3C's]

The Steelers are not going to fire Tomlin. Just accept it.

No one said they will. They should doesn't mean they will.

A mutually agreed parting of ways is a possibility though.

They could trade him.

One could hope.

 

[cdclopper]

They have low-key played a really tough a schedule so far. 4 of their 5 losses have a winning record. The teams that beat them have a combined record of 36-21. Fortumately The victories include the Colts (8-3) and Patriots (10-2).

I dont know if it gets any easier tho. Depends on your opinion of the Bills and Ravens, who they play twice more.

 

[3C's]

Put another way, they can't beat good/playoff caliber teams. They're mediocre...again.

 

[Godsbrother]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

 

[3C's]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

Thinking it's likely the Bengals are only 2 games out come Sunday night. They could make it interesting.

 

[sm8680]

Forget any talk of the Bills not being affected by injuries; the absence of starting offensive tackles Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown is a massive issue. After surrendering eight sacks the other week, the lack of depth at OT is a gaping hole. This game hinges entirely on the Steelers' defense. If they can aggressively take advantage of the two missing tackles, we could be looking at a much more competitive and high-stakes contest than many expect.

 

[cdclopper]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

Should the Ravens fire Harbaugh too?

 

[cdclopper]

Forget any talk of the Bills not being affected by injuries; the absence of starting offensive tackles Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown is a massive issue. After surrendering eight sacks the other week, the lack of depth at OT is a gaping hole. This game hinges entirely on the Steelers' defense. If they can aggressively take advantage of the two missing tackles, we could be looking at a much more competitive and high-stakes contest than many expect.

I really have no idea what to expect this game. In theory it's a great match up for the Steelers. Watt/Herbig/Highsmith go against back up tackles when the Buffalo Bills have struggled to pass the ball anyhow. Their receivers are not good so the Steelers should be able to match up man-to-man against them with Ramsey covering Kincaid. It would be a matter of stopping the run for the Steelers.

On the other hand, you really don't ever know what you're going to get from this team.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

Should the Ravens fire Harbaugh too?

If Harbaugh hasn't won another playoff game 8 years from now, you can be relatively sure he'll be gone. Then, he'd be where Tomlin is in terms of playoff success today.

His teams have won fewer than 10 regular season games once since 2018, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in 9 of his 18 seasons, including the last 2.

Tomlin's teams have won more than 10 regular season games once since 2017, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in only 4 of 18 seasons, none in the last 8.

Harbaugh has had a lot more success than Tomin could dream of having.

 

[cdclopper]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

Should the Ravens fire Harbaugh too?

If Harbaugh hasn't won another playoff game 8 years from now, you can be relatively sure he'll be gone. Then, he'd be where Tomlin is in terms of playoff success today.

His teams have won fewer than 10 regular season games once since 2018, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in 9 of his 18 seasons, including the last 2.

Tomlin's teams have won more than 10 regular season games once since 2017, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in only 4 of 18 seasons, none in the last 8.

Harbaugh has had a lot more success than Tomin could dream of having.

Their careers are remarkably similar all around - regular season, playoff, SBs - unless you define the parameters during the time Harbs has had LJ8 for his QB.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Arguing about Tomlin is pointless. He’s here and we are stuck with him.

The Ravens lost to the Bengals at home and looked bad doing it. I expect the Bills to put a hurting on us Sunday but if the Steelers can somehow pull out a win they will in first place of the horrible AFC North.

Should the Ravens fire Harbaugh too?

If Harbaugh hasn't won another playoff game 8 years from now, you can be relatively sure he'll be gone. Then, he'd be where Tomlin is in terms of playoff success today.

His teams have won fewer than 10 regular season games once since 2018, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in 9 of his 18 seasons, including the last 2.

Tomlin's teams have won more than 10 regular season games once since 2017, and they've won at least 1 playoff game in only 4 of 18 seasons, none in the last 8.

Harbaugh has had a lot more success than Tomin could dream of having.

Their careers are remarkably similar all around - regular season, playoff, SBs - unless you define the parameters during the time Harbs has had LJ8 for his QB.

No, they haven't. Unless all you count is SB victories.

When it matteres most, Harbaugh has a .542 winning % in the playoffs, Tomlin is at .421. And a lot of Tomlin's losses have been brutal, giving up 48, 45, 42, 31, and 28 in his last 5 appearances, all loses. Heck, the only 3 playoff wins his teams have since 2011 have been against Alex Smith, Matt Moore, and AJ McCarron lol

Harbaugh hasn't gone more than 5 years without winning a playoff game. Tomlin is already at 8 and counting.

Tomlin has a slight edge in regular season winning %, but that's mostly because Harbaugh had one year at 5-11.

I know you want to find reasons to support Tomlin and compare him to successful coaches, but it's just not there. His teams have done nothing since 2011. While Harbaugh has slowed down, he's still won 3 playoff games since 2020.

 

[cdclopper]

The worst hall of fame coach of all time.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

All of you who are complaining about Tomlin, What do you think the record could reasonably be with this roster? They are average at best at QB and one of the worst WR rooms in the league. You are not going to be an elite team with those 2 issues.

You are all going nuts over a close loss on the road to a first place team when we were starting a backup QB. The Steelers have 2 of the most impressive wins in the league this year and are in first place.

The Steelers issues are simple Rooney meddles and they haven't had an elite QB in 8 years. Neither has anything to do with Tomlin.

 

[Steelers4Life]

The worst hall of fame coach of all time.

He'll likely make it based on his perception within the media, his press conferences, and his non-losing season streak. His real success came in his first 4 years with the roster he inherited, and without those years, his resume is mediocre at best. And in most organizations, a coach who's won a playoff game in only 4 of 18 seasons (let that sink in), 3 wins in the past 14 years, and 0 in the past 8 would've been shown the door. Guys with far more recent success than him have been fired in the past 15 years.

Fortunately for him he gets credit for winning a Super Bowl with that roster, similar to what Switzer did to win the SB in Dallas.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

In theory it's a great match up for the Steelers. Watt/Herbig/Highsmith go against back up tackles

Just like the Chargers game.

 

[Steelers4Life]

All of you who are complaining about Tomlin, What do you think the record could reasonably be with this roster? They are average at best at QB and one of the worst WR rooms in the league. You are not going to be an elite team with those 2 issues.

You are all going nuts over a close loss on the road to a first place team when we were starting a backup QB. The Steelers have 2 of the most impressive wins in the league this year and are in first place.

The Steelers issues are simple Rooney meddles and they haven't had an elite QB in 8 years. Neither has anything to do with Tomlin.

Disagree. The Steelers biggest problem is that Tomlin has a terrible eye for identifying top talent at OC and DC or his ego won't allow him to make a higher profile hire at those spots. I personally believe that's why he let Flores go to promote Austin. In 18 years, he has ZERO coaching tree. That speaks volumes. Its entirely about him and his antiquated vision of how to win.

They have enough talent to overcome Tomlin's terrible decisions at OC and DC, but not enough to compete when it matters. The problem is that's exactly what the Steelers have become and they've shown no willingness to adjust.

This isn't about any one win or loss. And if they back into a division win with another 9 or 10 win season, its because they have the talent to win 9 or 10 games. And they do. Its not some miracle here.

Ben was still good in 2018 and 2020. He didnt fall off until 2021. Yet Tomlin's teams won only 3 playoff games (all against backup QBs) between 2011 and 2020.

 

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The Bills have Allen. He can Superman teams to win any given week. If the Steelers try to single-man high blitz him w/no spy he is going to gouge them HARD.

 

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Hopefully the Steelers string a few wins together so we don't have to hear any bellyaching about Tomlin for a while (altho that's no garuntee to stop it). I know that would be a total bummer for some of the Steelers "fans" around here. But I'm still glad when they succeed and hope they do.