irish eyes
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I'll wait for the ""Tomlin will get hired in 5 minutes posts". 
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*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: waiting on a guy that no one wants (2 Viewers)
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irish eyes
Footballguy
And you don't even have to be good at all.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If you wanna get on staff now to take over later, the easiest way lately seems to have been ingratiating yourself to Dino Tomlin somehow. GLHF.
irish eyes
Footballguy
A once proud franchise going in the toilet because they won't can a sham of a coach.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sounds like Rodgers decision tomorrow. Will see.
eighsse2
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
They aren't going to actually sign this clown are they? Yeah they will lol
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
My information has been so unreliable this season it seems, so I don’t even know what to say. But it sounds like there could be an announcement tomorrow according to what I am hearing. But this person also said Fields deal was done, then Rodgers too previously. So grains of salt should be taken.
Whether your info is correct or not the answer to Irish Eye's question is that it has always been up to Rodgers.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Imagine waiting for an old moon juice drinker who didn't get his first choice with the Vikes.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
to who? He has them over a barrel.
3C's
Footballguy
Doesn't matter to who. They can't wait until the summer when he's finally decided to decide.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The details of the DK Metcalf deal are out. Sounds like first 2 years guaranteed, but contractual outs each year after that. Not a bad deal at all, we have options should we have to pay a QB if we can land a keeper.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Honestly, Tomlin's biggest weakness is probably hiring. He does not identify and hire top tier staff that maximizes the talent available.I'll wait for the ""Tomlin will get hired in 5 minutes posts".
If you look at how this team has done since Big Ben was in his prime, I think there's only 2-3 other head coaches currently in the league that could maintain that same level of success. Kyle Shanahan just went 6-11 last year, and let's be honest, if the Steelers had the same personnel we probably would have gone at least 9-8...
The more research I've done into it the more I'm convinced that head coach success is directly tied to elite QB talent. Reid could never get over the hill because McNabb would fail in critical moments. Belichick is completely done now that Brady left. McDermott is being praised now, but there was talks of firing him until Allen turned things around. McVay's success is directly linked to how well Stafford is doing (or Todd Gurley, but they still lost in the SB). If the Steelers manage to draft a QB in the next year or 2 that rises to the level of elite, then Tomlin will probably return to a SB contender.
It's just so, so frustrating to see the self inflicted mistakes that are so obvious to outside observers. Matt Canada was not a College quality OC, let alone NFL quality. Winning tight games is not a path to sustained success. Dan Moore was not the answer and it probably screwed up Jones' entire career. Etc.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Art clearly has had a say in coordinator hires and it hasn't been helpful.Honestly, Tomlin's biggest weakness is probably hiring. He does not identify and hire top tier staff that maximizes the talent available.I'll wait for the ""Tomlin will get hired in 5 minutes posts".
If you look at how this team has done since Big Ben was in his prime, I think there's only 2-3 other head coaches currently in the league that could maintain that same level of success. Kyle Shanahan just went 6-11 last year, and let's be honest, if the Steelers had the same personnel we probably would have gone at least 9-8...
The more research I've done into it the more I'm convinced that head coach success is directly tied to elite QB talent. Reid could never get over the hill because McNabb would fail in critical moments. Belichick is completely done now that Brady left. McDermott is being praised now, but there was talks of firing him until Allen turned things around. McVay's success is directly linked to how well Stafford is doing (or Todd Gurley, but they still lost in the SB). If the Steelers manage to draft a QB in the next year or 2 that rises to the level of elite, then Tomlin will probably return to a SB contender.
It's just so, so frustrating to see the self inflicted mistakes that are so obvious to outside observers. Matt Canada was not a College quality OC, let alone NFL quality. Winning tight games is not a path to sustained success. Dan Moore was not the answer and it probably screwed up Jones' entire career. Etc.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Nobody ever doubted Tomlin's ability to motivate his teams to winning regular season records. The late season and playoff collapses are his weakness.
Coaches like Reid and McVay can get much further in the playoffs with average QBs while coach Tomlin simply can't since he's not on their level. He simply needs more help at QB and with coordinators than some other coaches do.
Coaches like Reid and McVay can get much further in the playoffs with average QBs while coach Tomlin simply can't since he's not on their level. He simply needs more help at QB and with coordinators than some other coaches do.
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Blick
Footballguy
Drafting and hiring good coordinators is a major weakness.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
This guy needs top tier support around him to have any chance of getting past his weaknesses. Problem with that is he controls the OC and DC hirings, and doesn't know anything about constructing a modern offense. I won't even go into the first round failures which he has played a part of.
He's a good coach, but very limited. Similar to a CEO that just can get his company to perform just a bit better than others, but always well below the elite companies.
Sports purgatory.
cdclopper
Footballguy
Maybe they should hire you irish eyes.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
crushedspirit
Footballguy
So Dulac is reporting the savior is at the Steelers facility.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yep. The evil one is in Pittsburgh
Blick
Footballguy
How do you think Hienz field reacts as they announce the offense at the first home game?
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
They will cheer loudly.
Low cap hit in year one but he's getting $30m a year and I don't think he's quite worth it, and I still am not a fan of paying a second round pick so we could pay him $30m. I have never been a fan of paying twice. So I still don't like the trade but it's done now and I'll be pulling for him and hope they build accordingly, as in once that move was made you got to full on commit to winning now.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
"Aaro-WHO-sca?!" 
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If they really want to sign him I hope they didn't bother showing him the facilities. That'll probably be a deal breaker
We laugh, but I seriously had the same thought when I heard he was visiting.If they really want to sign him I hope they didn't bother showing him the facilities. That'll probably be a deal breaker
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
We laugh, but I seriously had the same thought when I heard he was visiting.If they really want to sign him I hope they didn't bother showing him the facilities. That'll probably be a deal breaker
"Heywaitaminute...there's a "Discount Double Check" bumper sticker on this treadmill. When's the last time you guys upgraded equipment around here?"
Godsbrother
Footballguy
He will definitely be greeted with boos. That said, if he wins people will cheer
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Lauren, wait!!
www.nbcsports.com
Vikings consider Ryan Tannehill a potential veteran option
No deal has been discussed, yet.
www.nbcsports.com
Steelers should roll with Rudolph as the week 1 starter followed mid season by some 3rd round rookie like Milroe or Shough or Ewers. If that guy pans out then hooray. More likely, they lead the Steelers to a losing record. They can then trade up if necessary in ‘26 to get their next franchise QB.
Trading for Metcalf and tanking fails to make any sense to me.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed but I’m not sure paying out big money to a 41 year old quarterback makes any more sense than rolling with Rudolph.
Neither are likely to get you where you want to be in 2025 but one comes with a lot less drama and cap hit.
Well, Omar didn't ask me but that DK signing was not a good move. The Steelers overpaid at a position for which there is a lot of depth around the league and coming up through the draft but more relevantly, he is a diva who'll be lining up opposite another diva. Guess it's possible the locker room does not implode if Rodgers isn't there but bring him on board and it's gonna get dysfunctional real fast.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I feel like that 2nd was too high as is the salary cost for a WR who looks like he's already hit his peak and will offer you what we've already seen from him last season. At least the contract is structured in a way that gives them an out after 2 seasons.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
For his age/production the Metcalf cost/contract is "fine." The rate for a good WR is going nowhere but up, and they clearly shouldn't (and I hope won't) give that sort of money to Pickens.
To say Metcalf is a "diva" in the vein of GP is...let's just say they aren't really the same species. By all reports, Metcalf works his a$$ off. He whines when he doesn't get the ball (all WRs do this), and he has spoken pretty candidly about not being happy with how Seattle's current coaching staff operated vice Carroll's old one (Ben Grubb being a primary "offender" to him...who is since fired), but I can't find any reports that he's ever "quit."
Biggest deal with DK, to me, is that sometimes he is easy to bait into penalties. He's got an edge, but teams know it can cut both ways so they'll sometimes go after him and he'll take the bait.
I think it's pretty clear that DK's primary reason for wanting out of Seattle was money, and I have zero issue with that. "Get what you can while you can" has to be the mantra of every pro athlete. Secondarily, according to him, he wanted out of there because he felt like he (and a few others) were just viewed as "The Last Coach's GuysTM" and weren't really heard or listened to out of hand because of it. Can't blame him for feeling that way either if true, but I also can't say the staff in Pitty is going to be much different for "a new guy" from day one either. I suppose it's likely that was discussed, and he feels okay with whatever he was told, but the money was the main focus soo...that probably cures a lot of ills.
To say Metcalf is a "diva" in the vein of GP is...let's just say they aren't really the same species. By all reports, Metcalf works his a$$ off. He whines when he doesn't get the ball (all WRs do this), and he has spoken pretty candidly about not being happy with how Seattle's current coaching staff operated vice Carroll's old one (Ben Grubb being a primary "offender" to him...who is since fired), but I can't find any reports that he's ever "quit."
Biggest deal with DK, to me, is that sometimes he is easy to bait into penalties. He's got an edge, but teams know it can cut both ways so they'll sometimes go after him and he'll take the bait.
I think it's pretty clear that DK's primary reason for wanting out of Seattle was money, and I have zero issue with that. "Get what you can while you can" has to be the mantra of every pro athlete. Secondarily, according to him, he wanted out of there because he felt like he (and a few others) were just viewed as "The Last Coach's GuysTM" and weren't really heard or listened to out of hand because of it. Can't blame him for feeling that way either if true, but I also can't say the staff in Pitty is going to be much different for "a new guy" from day one either. I suppose it's likely that was discussed, and he feels okay with whatever he was told, but the money was the main focus soo...that probably cures a lot of ills.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
From the Steelers perspective, regarding acquiring DK, I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here: The team/staff are committed to this "stegosaurus ball" mentality for at least a couple more years (or however long Artie is under contract for. I think it was three seasons). The Eagles having the success on offense they had this past year, in the manner they had it, likely makes them feel justified in the philosophy too.
If they're gonna try to emulate that, Artie (and probably guys like Weidl) are stumping to "find their AJ Brown." Metcalf is a pretty reasonable facsimile of AJ Brown, particularly the "Tennessee Era" variant, and is far, far more reliable than a Pickens (who I do not feel they truly want to give a large contract to). They're likely hoping by having a guy like DK already around they'll be more attractive to luring in/be better prepared when they finally draft a QB they feel can be that hyper efficient type that Smith's offense demands.
Whether I agree with it or not (I don't), I can see their logic if that's the goal. What worries me most, however, isn't that they went out trying to "find their AJ Brown." It's that they're going to try to "find their Derrick Henry" (who wasn't even a 1st rounder himself) via burning a 1st rounder on a running back again in the next couple drafts.
If they're gonna try to emulate that, Artie (and probably guys like Weidl) are stumping to "find their AJ Brown." Metcalf is a pretty reasonable facsimile of AJ Brown, particularly the "Tennessee Era" variant, and is far, far more reliable than a Pickens (who I do not feel they truly want to give a large contract to). They're likely hoping by having a guy like DK already around they'll be more attractive to luring in/be better prepared when they finally draft a QB they feel can be that hyper efficient type that Smith's offense demands.
Whether I agree with it or not (I don't), I can see their logic if that's the goal. What worries me most, however, isn't that they went out trying to "find their AJ Brown." It's that they're going to try to "find their Derrick Henry" (who wasn't even a 1st rounder himself) via burning a 1st rounder on a running back again in the next couple drafts.
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Grid71
Footballguy
Tomlin likes to double dahn. paired with Rodgers we get the Discount Diva Duo
I agree with you both and part of why I was not big on the trade, but it’s done now and I think that has to set them on a path towards trying to compete now.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
The Steelers do not think they are rebuilding. If that wasn't 100% clear a few weeks ago, it absolutely should be now after acquiring DK. They don't believe they are that far from contending for an AFCC.
They're wrong, but it's clear (to me at least) that's what they think.
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