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2025 Team Defense & Defense by Committee Thread (7 Viewers)

kyoun1e said:
Not sure what to make of this D. Outside of sacking an unprepared J. Fields 9 times, is this D really all that?  
Talent-wise, they should be. Results-wise, not so far. But I don't think it's a bad bet, especially given their schedule.

If Gainwell sucks tonight, I'll probably drop him and try to get Cleveland early. But if not, I'll wait until next week and drop Denver for them.

 
Talent-wise, they should be. Results-wise, not so far. But I don't think it's a bad bet, especially given their schedule.

If Gainwell sucks tonight, I'll probably drop him and try to get Cleveland early. But if not, I'll wait until next week and drop Denver for them.
Didn’t they suffer a bunch of injuries the last 2 weeks?

 
Talent-wise, they should be. Results-wise, not so far. But I don't think it's a bad bet, especially given their schedule.

If Gainwell sucks tonight, I'll probably drop him and try to get Cleveland early. But if not, I'll wait until next week and drop Denver for them.
Side bar here...we are playing in ESPN and if we have a guy on our bench whose team plays tonight, we can't drop him even though he isn't in my starting lineup. Is that normal?

In other words, if I had Gainwell and he sucked tonight, I couldn't drop him from my bench for Cleveland this week.

Am I losing my mind?

 
I am really in a bind this week, some of these options.....🤮.......who would you roll with below?

Minnesota at Carolina

Cleveland vs. Arizona

Seattle at Pittsburgh

 
I am really in a bind this week, some of these options.....🤮.......who would you roll with below?

Minnesota at Carolina

Cleveland vs. Arizona

Seattle at Pittsburgh
Looking at the various rankings across the web the Vikings are the highest ranked and the Seahawks are the lowest ranked. 

The Browns are playing at home versus being on the road; however, they also have a number of key player injuries to keep an eye on:

Look: The Browns’ Wednesday Injury Report Is Brutal

 
Green Bay has been a consistent DT besides Week 1. Favorable matchup. I only have them in one league and earlier in the year I didn't have much confidence to plug them in but they keep getting it done.

 
Side bar here...we are playing in ESPN and if we have a guy on our bench whose team plays tonight, we can't drop him even though he isn't in my starting lineup. Is that normal?

In other words, if I had Gainwell and he sucked tonight, I couldn't drop him from my bench for Cleveland this week.

Am I losing my mind?
I think most sites are that way, with the rationale being that you shouldn't be able to drop a player who has played for the week because it gives you the advantage of having seen them play.  It's not so much whether or not they were in your lineup, it's that they had the opportunity to be in your lineup.  Being able to drop that player and pick up another is almost like having an additional roster spot.  

That said, I have heard of leagues where you can do such drops, but I think they're in the minority, so to speak.  It might be a thing on Yahoo.... not sure.

 
Side bar here...we are playing in ESPN and if we have a guy on our bench whose team plays tonight, we can't drop him even though he isn't in my starting lineup. Is that normal?

In other words, if I had Gainwell and he sucked tonight, I couldn't drop him from my bench for Cleveland this week.

Am I losing my mind?
It's a Yahoo thing. If the guy starts, you can't drop him until Monday morning. But if he's on your bench, you can drop him anytime.

One thing I've always wondered with ESPN: Let's say you have Kittle going on SNF. At 5 EST he is announced as a surprise late scratch. You'd like to pick up Dwelley and sub him in, but everyone else on your roster has already played and you don't have an IR slot. Would you be forced to take a zero? 

 
What do we got for Week 6? Not a lot of chalk. Best match-ups are:

  • Indy (vs Hou)
  • GB (@Chi)
  • Cinci (@Det)
  • KC (@Wash)
  • LV (@Den)
I'm sure a lot of people will look to get Miami vs Jax. I would advise against it. Dolphins seem to have totally given up. There's also the whole London thing; games there can get wonky, and I seem to recall Jax has a very good record over there.

I'm leaning GB, just because I think when faced with bad choices, go with the team most likely to win. Also, since their Week 1 debacle GB D has been OK-not-great (7pts/game, which is basically what you're hoping for with a streaming D).

Cinci could be a good choice, too, but I just don't think their D is very good. KC will probably pound Washington, but that D is actively bad.
On top of that, I seem to remember that the London fans (not all, but a lot) tend to pull for Jacksonville because they have seen them a bunch.  I don't have the numbers, but doesn't JAC play in London basically every year?  If there is any team that has an "almost homefield advantage" in London, it's them.  

I'm actually going the other way, and considering the JAC defense.  My only other viable option is LVR @ DEN.  

 
It's a Yahoo thing. If the guy starts, you can't drop him until Monday morning. But if he's on your bench, you can drop him anytime.

One thing I've always wondered with ESPN: Let's say you have Kittle going on SNF. At 5 EST he is announced as a surprise late scratch. You'd like to pick up Dwelley and sub him in, but everyone else on your roster has already played and you don't have an IR slot. Would you be forced to take a zero? 
Ahhh, so it IS a Yahoo thing..............that's pretty much all I have used up until this year. So I'm not COMPLETELY nuts.

I would not be surprised if ESPN would force you to take the ZERO b/c there would be nobody to drop due to having already played. I haven't gotten myself into that pickle yet.

 
It's a Yahoo thing. If the guy starts, you can't drop him until Monday morning. But if he's on your bench, you can drop him anytime.

One thing I've always wondered with ESPN: Let's say you have Kittle going on SNF. At 5 EST he is announced as a surprise late scratch. You'd like to pick up Dwelley and sub him in, but everyone else on your roster has already played and you don't have an IR slot. Would you be forced to take a zero? 
Yeah, I believe you would take a short (short of dropping Kittle, obviously).  It makes it tricky with players playing on MNF, or even just in the late(r) games on Sunday.  If I have a player who is legitimately questionable playing in a late game, I'm most likely not putting that player in my lineup unless I have another late player as a backup plan.  If it's a TE or QB, though, that's pretty tough to do.  

 
for those of us on Dallas, just saw a blurb that T Diggs did not practice yesterday with an ankle injury. he's just about half of this defense's scoring, so would keep an eye on that today and tomorrow's practice reports.

 
Currently debating CIN @ DET or GB @ CHI....but that JAX analyses above has me contemplating them as well. 

Sitting at 1-4 in this league, so looking for any kind of advantage  :wall:

 
A panicky owner just dropped the NO D. On bye. Seems like a big mistake.

Next week @SEA (minus Wilson), TB (no good), then ATL.

No brainer to go all in here? Feel like NO could be a hold all season. Also see vs ATL and HOU in weeks 15 and 17 respectively. Yum.

Would drop DEN for NO here.

 
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Glad I dodged the MIA D option. 

This lousy D facing lousy offense isn't working out this year.

Hope that changes with my Cinci D against DET O today.

 
Well now I'm rethinking that Carolina pick up. If not for the TD, I'd have negative points today. 

If not for the blocked punt TD, I'd have had -8 today. Oof. 

 
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Two decent bye week defenses that have good matchups next week worth snatching now if you are in yahoo league and don’t love a bench player.

San Fran Vs Indy

or 

New Orleans @ Seattle 

San Fran ranked higher currently projection wise, but Indy seems to be figuring out their offense, and I’d love to face a Carsonless Seahawks team lead by Geno.

 
kyoun1e said:
DEN D...drop city.
3 dud weeks in FF (& IRL) but still a ton of talent. Might be an ebb and glow thing, maybe if they get it together they do have a sweet Week 14-16 stretch.

They were super against weak ### teams the first 3 weeks. Not too many were starting them v BAL or @PIT. But laying an egg v LV is pretty bad.

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In one league I started Denver over Baltimore BECAUSE matchup. 2.0 v 20.0. Oops. Up by 11.22, facing Singletary tonight (coin flip.) Boy does that smart.

Up by 25 in another redraft league (primary long term) I started the Broncos with only Zach Moss left for my opponent.

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For the latter I am not streaming but have them paired with NE. Looking over the schedule I was like “this is awesome, other than two bad matchups Week 13 they dovetail. Pretty much a clear choice most weeks (e.g., one is playing a bad O the same week the other is playing a good O.)

Of course, this strategy doesn’t work if you have two bad defenses paired.

Neither the Broncos or Pats are bad defenses from a roster perspective, but for FF purposes they only have 4 good weeks out of 12 (6x2.) I will start NE this week v NYJ and reassess.

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Minnesota and LAC are the two best defenses on our WW. Lot of managers in my main league do the painting thing.

Huge number of offensives byes  week 7 this so keep an eye out to see who becomes available. 

 
6 teams I could have chosen this week off the WW over Carolina and I would have won. Can't trust them going forward. Is it knee jerk? Yes but letting up 34 points and 571 yards of offense is bad. Really bad. 

 
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6 teams I could have chosen this week off the WW over Carolina and I would have won. Can't trust them going forward. Is it knee jerk? Yes but letting up 34 points and 571 yards of offense is bad. Really bad. 
honestly, I thought it was very premature to people to rank defenses and offenses based on first three weeks. Carolina and Denver had cake first three weeks. Teams like cowboys had difficult teams first three weeks. Now that we have 6 weeks behind us defenses should have faced good and bad offenses and we should have a better picture. Might be time to rerank all offenses and defenses for rest of year.

Edit: carolina actually has good teams coming up but you really shouldn’t start them vs stud offenses. They got two poor games vs stud offenses. I don’t think they are an every week just start.

 
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Patriots v NYJ

Seems like the chalk play of the week. At home, intercepted Wilson 4 times Week 2, the Jets are giving up the most FF point to defenses.

In fact, it's by a wide margin. In our scoring format - which accounts for TFL (0.25), 3 and Outs Forced (0.50), 4th Down Stops (1.0), and Yardage Allowed scale similar to Points Allowed, the top 3 most generous offenses are:

  1. NYJ 16.05
  2. HOU 13.42
  3. JAX 12.79
No need for me to overthink it.

Still, looking at how much CLE is in disarray rn, it is tempting to roll out the Broncos on TNF.

But I should just do the simple, logical thing and start the Pats. I should ignore that they haven't played all that well in the four weeks since their last meeting. Right?

 
Diggs is such a beast. Congrats to anyone who picked them up. Stud must start defense. 
I gotta figure a way to hold DAL D while they are on a bye. I think they're too good to just let go. Team is beginning to gel and you can see confidence building. This team has no apparent weaknesses. The Defense is opportunistic and yes, Diggs is such a beast. That enthusiasm carries over. Definitely a hold, but not a pleasant drop in order to roster 2 defenses for week 7. I have 3 Williams on this team and it might have to be Darrel Williams who just put up 20.90 yikes. Appears D Williams has two more weeks left with the CEH injury. Gonna have to think about carrying two D's. Not gonna drop J Williams or M Williams. 

 
I gotta figure a way to hold DAL D while they are on a bye. I think they're too good to just let go. Team is beginning to gel and you can see confidence building. This team has no apparent weaknesses. The Defense is opportunistic and yes, Diggs is such a beast. That enthusiasm carries over. Definitely a hold, but not a pleasant drop in order to roster 2 defenses for week 7. I have 3 Williams on this team and it might have to be Darrel Williams who just put up 20.90 yikes. Appears D Williams has two more weeks left with the CEH injury. Gonna have to think about carrying two D's. Not gonna drop J Williams or M Williams. 


Presumably Javonte in the last sentence.

How would you feel about taking the Zero?

Some leagues have rules/penalties about not fielding an active lineup. As a commish I have always hated it when guys don't set their lineup. But the last time I questioned someone about it - like a decade ago - the guy told me he just didn't want to drop anyone just to fill a K spot (slightly less egregious than D/DT/DST.)

Anyway, that kind of convinced me to treat everyone like adults and let them manage. however they see fit. At the time I thought he was nuts, but now I feel like it's a legitimate strategy. While it's risky, most weeks I win/lost by 20 or 30 (and sometimes way more.)

 
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Presumably Javonte in the last sentence.

How would you feel about taking the Zero?

Some leagues have rules/penalties about not fielding an active lineup. As a commish I have always hated it when guys don't set their lineup. But the last time I questioned someone about it - like a decade ago - the guy told me he just didn't want to drop anyone just to fill a K spot (slightly less egregious than D/DT/DST.)

Anyway, that kind of convinced me to treat everyone like adults and let them manage. however they see fit. At the time I thought he was nuts, but now I feel like it's a legitimate strategy. While it's risky, most weeks I win/lost by 20 or 30 (and sometimes way more.)
Interesting strategy for sure. As a commissioner in one league we simply allow whatever the hosting site allows us to do. In this case it's Yahoo. So, yes, it certainly is a possibility to take a 0 and just leave DAL D right where it is. But, I will first drop the kicker for a second D and have an open kicker spot that could also end up being a 0. Or the 2 for 1 trade that most likely won't work in week 7 with all these byes and injuries. That's what I'm doing now lol. 

Edit: Yes Javonte Williams and if J Jeudy were to play I would plug him into the other WR slot and drop M Callaway allowing a DAL D hold, but Jeudy looks like week 8.

 
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I gotta figure a way to hold DAL D while they are on a bye. I think they're too good to just let go. Team is beginning to gel and you can see confidence building. This team has no apparent weaknesses. The Defense is opportunistic and yes, Diggs is such a beast. That enthusiasm carries over. Definitely a hold, but not a pleasant drop in order to roster 2 defenses for week 7. I have 3 Williams on this team and it might have to be Darrel Williams who just put up 20.90 yikes. Appears D Williams has two more weeks left with the CEH injury. Gonna have to think about carrying two D's. Not gonna drop J Williams or M Williams. 


I'm in a similar situation. I don't want to drop Dallas Def. They have decent matchups the first 3 weeks back (Vikings, Broncos, Falcons). Nothing great, but not terrible either. In their 4th week back from bye they have Chiefs however. I'm going to try to hold them if I can. 

 
Steelers defense put up 5 sacks and a turnover on the Seahawks while looking sort of mediocre to my casual eye.

Ill take the fresh Saints defense against a banged up Collins and Geno Smith on Monday night prime time as one of the top plays of the week. Likely under New England, but seems like an auto start if you have them or can get them.

 
Steelers defense put up 5 sacks and a turnover on the Seahawks while looking sort of mediocre to my casual eye.

Ill take the fresh Saints defense against a banged up Collins and Geno Smith on Monday night prime time as one of the top plays of the week. Likely under New England, but seems like an auto start if you have them or can get them.


Yup. Grabbed NO last week for exactly the above reasons.

I dropped Denver (good timing) before Sunday's games, and they look terrible, but I've got to think there a hot streamer if Chubb, Mayfield are out.

 
Yup. Grabbed NO last week for exactly the above reasons.

I dropped Denver (good timing) before Sunday's games, and they look terrible, but I've got to think there a hot streamer if Chubb, Mayfield are out.
Good point. I had been planning on dropping them, but might make more sense to hold on for one more week. Saints are available, so if I can get them would prefer them to Denver, but might not be a bad backup plan

 
Yup. Grabbed NO last week for exactly the above reasons.

I dropped Denver (good timing) before Sunday's games, and they look terrible, but I've got to think there a hot streamer if Chubb, Mayfield are out.
If Chubb and Hunt are out, I think Denver could be Ok if you can’t grab NE or one of the better plays on paper.   Baker is banged up and isn’t elite even when healthy.   

 
If anyone drops Dallas D in anyone of my leagues I'm picking them up for sure and you got to think if you drop them you won't have them back for the rest of the year. This is an every week start D. Maybe I sit them twice (Vikings / KC) but otherwise, I think I'm starting them every other week.

Would do whatever it takes to keep them rostered. A starter is worth more than a future upside type of pick, even if we're thin at RB this year.

Also, could stop you from having to stream every week which opens up another bench spot for future weeks. Maybe drop your bench player once they'll be locked for the week so you have a chance to pick them up next week.

 
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If anyone drops Dallas D in anyone of my leagues I'm picking them up for sure and you got to think if you drop them you won't have them back for the rest of the year. This is an every week start D. Maybe I sit them twice (Vikings / KC) but otherwise, I think I'm starting them every other week.

Would do whatever it takes to keep them rostered. A starter is worth more than a future upside type of pick, even if we're thin at RB this year.

Also, could stop you from having to stream every week which opens up another bench spot for future weeks. Maybe drop your bench player once they'll be locked for the week so you have a chance to pick them up next week.


 I "lucked into" the Dallas D 2 weeks ago in one league, and lo and behold I looked and they are sitting on the wire in another of my leagues.

 Its a 10 teamer, but I have no one to drop. My bench looks like this Zack Moss, Devin Singletary, Austin Ekeler, Justin Herbert (BYE and I ain't cutting him lol) Brandin Cooks, Michael Carter Javonte Williams. 

 We start 3 WRs, and Cooks is my only extra WR, can't drop him either.

Might have to drop Michael Carter. (I'd prefer he puts up points on MY BENCH not someone else's team)

 I know, first world problems right.......?

 Point is, I absolutely believe like Tigerz said above, if Dallas is available, you should try and acquire if you have any way to get them.   They are one of the few plug and play options at defense, and they might just have been dropped (or will be) because of the bye.

 TZM

 

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