2K9 Willie Parker vs Rashard Mendenhall (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Parker didn't look good in the Super Bowl or the conference championship game, but he did look good in week 17 and the divisional playoff game. I'm pretty sure Parker will still be in Pittsburgh next season, because he's not a FA until 2010. He counts 3.35 million toward the cap next year. The best Mendenhall owners can hope for next year is some sort of RBBC. I do believe Parker is history in 2010 however. That's when the Mendenhall era in Pittsburgh will truly begin. I own Mendenhall in a few leagues, so hopefully good things come to those with patience.

 

[Two Deep]

unless the offensive line starts opening some holes they are all in trouble. Parker should keep his spot. I read somewhere Mendenhall didn't spend much time at Steeler facilities during his rehab.

 

[Black]

vs. Gary Russell.....

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

unless the offensive line starts opening some holes they are all in trouble. Parker should keep his spot. I read somewhere Mendenhall didn't spend much time at Steeler facilities during his rehab.

I also read he did very well with his rehab. I believe Parker also said he looked like a "beast".

 

[djb916420]

unless the offensive line starts opening some holes they are all in trouble. Parker should keep his spot. I read somewhere Mendenhall didn't spend much time at Steeler facilities during his rehab.

I also read he did very well with his rehab. I believe Parker also said he looked like a "beast".

Looks like he is already healthy. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,1508787.story

 

[Uber]

Good news for Mendenhall owners.

 

[mcintyre1]

I thought he looked pretty good in the Superbowl, actually. He turned more than one play from 0 yards to near 10. Had some of the "Fast" in FWP back.

 

[loose circuits]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

 

[FantasyTrader]

Ideally they'll want a DWill/Stewart (60/40) type of split. But my hunch is Mendenhall will push it closer to 50/50 if healthy - particularly if the Steelers don't get significant improvement along the O-line. They'll find Mendy's power up the middle is an asset that's tough to pass up on early downs.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

 

[belljr]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

 

[twr]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

 

[belljr]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

Who Mendenhall??? He barely played and his 1 game of extended action he broke his shoulder....I have both on my squad.... He looked OK the game he got hurt but as mentioned no sample to tell

 

[Chachi]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

 

[puckalicious]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

That's funny, I was thinking Mendy is a great buy low right now. I'm by no means convinced he's going to be a stud, but I'm equally not convinced he's a bust. How many of us wrote off Dwill before this year? Sometimes a player just needs opportunity, and I agree with the assessment that 2010 will be Mendy's year to make or break.

 

[gianmarco]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

Not being a large sample size doesn't make it significant, but just because it's a small sample size doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's foolish to completely ignore things like this blaming it on the "small sample size" excuse.

 

[Bojang0301]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

Sounds like someone wants to either devalue him for personal reasons in his league or is fishing. I'll bite. Mendy was always supported by others when he came in, same with Sweed throughout the season. The Steelers organization is a unique one. No matter how many times the fans or the team or the ownership, people outside of Steeler nation just don't understand it. There is no selfishness, there is one as a team. There won't be any resentment towards him trying to get healthy and be better for the team. Now, if he comes into camp acting like a primadonna then ya there will be a lot of hell to pay. As for him having poor play... wtf are you talking about? Willie came out looking like a stud and Mendy wasn't used because of it. Then Willie got hurt and Mendy had to play vs. the Ravens... and you know what since you want to look at his limited sample and say he played bad I completely disagree. He ran hard against the Ravens and had he not broke his shoulder he would have helped us win that game cause he brought balance against that tough D.

 

[lyon812]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

That's funny, I was thinking Mendy is a great buy low right now. I'm by no means convinced he's going to be a stud, but I'm equally not convinced he's a bust. How many of us wrote off Dwill before this year? Sometimes a player just needs opportunity, and I agree with the assessment that 2010 will be Mendy's year to make or break.

Seriously, calling someone a bust based on 21 NFL touches seems a bit ridiculous.

 

[Bojang0301]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

Not being a large sample size doesn't make it significant, but just because it's a small sample size doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's foolish to completely ignore things like this blaming it on the "small sample size" excuse.

It pretty much is irrelevant because 19 carries does not make a career... and I thought, as did other Steelers fans, he ran hard and looked decent against the Ravens.

 

[gianmarco]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

Not being a large sample size doesn't make it significant, but just because it's a small sample size doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's foolish to completely ignore things like this blaming it on the "small sample size" excuse.

It pretty much is irrelevant because 19 carries does not make a career... and I thought, as did other Steelers fans, he ran hard and looked decent against the Ravens.

Felix Jones only had 30 carries in 2008. Only 11 more than Mendenhall and would seem "irrelevant". Watching Felix vs. RM, DESPITE being a small sample size, I like what I saw from Felix a lot more. You can still get good information from small sample sizes, you just have to be careful not to jump to conclusions based on them. But again, just because it's a small sample size doesn't make it irrelevant. The consensus from those who watched RM was that he did not look good on those 19 carries. On the flipside, Felix looked very good on just 30 carries. That doesn't necessarily mean that Felix is > RM, but to ignore what they showed from the start is foolish, IMO.

But hey, if it's irrelevant to you, then so be it.

 

[gianmarco]

Btw, on a FF related note in terms of how "relevant" those 19 carries are, think about it this way.

If Rashard Mendenhall had 266 yds on 30 carries (8.9 ypc) average before he got hurt, do you think his value in dynasty leagues would be higher, lower, or the same as it is now? I GUARANTEE it would be higher and by a significant margin, IMO. Since the guy went pretty high in most drafts and had high expectations from his owners, those #'s would be VERY encouraging if he had them. His value would be significantly higher. But his #"s were considerably worse and his trade value has taken a hit because of that.

So again, those limited carries are also relevant in terms of FF as well.

 

[Englishteacher]

:(

 

[belljr]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

I'll call a player a bust when he busts. 10 carries his very first game as a PRO and 9 carries against the Ravens is all we have to go on... bit prematurePlus I think the line has more to do with the running woes than the backs right now. Willie can't do anything either

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sounds like a few Mendenhall owners in here making excuses for his poor play, the kid is a bust. He was a 1 year sensation in college, played awful in the NFL, got hurt, doesn't hang with his teammates who now resent him. It's funny if you own a player you have total blinders on.

I'll call a player a bust when he busts. 10 carries his very first game as a PRO and 9 carries against the Ravens is all we have to go on... bit prematurePlus I think the line has more to do with the running woes than the backs right now. Willie can't do anything either

....to put it mildly

 

[Sheriff66]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

Not being a large sample size doesn't make it significant, but just because it's a small sample size doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's foolish to completely ignore things like this blaming it on the "small sample size" excuse.

It pretty much is irrelevant because 19 carries does not make a career... and I thought, as did other Steelers fans, he ran hard and looked decent against the Ravens.

Felix Jones only had 30 carries in 2008. Only 11 more than Mendenhall and would seem "irrelevant". Watching Felix vs. RM, DESPITE being a small sample size, I like what I saw from Felix a lot more. You can still get good information from small sample sizes, you just have to be careful not to jump to conclusions based on them. But again, just because it's a small sample size doesn't make it irrelevant. The consensus from those who watched RM was that he did not look good on those 19 carries. On the flipside, Felix looked very good on just 30 carries. That doesn't necessarily mean that Felix is > RM, but to ignore what they showed from the start is foolish, IMO.

But hey, if it's irrelevant to you, then so be it.

The Ravens had the #1 defense against the run, you do realize that,right?

 

[gianmarco]

Mendenhall is talented, but I agree that he may be a year away from having a legit impact. With Mewelde Moore also in the mix on 3rd downs, I just don't see enough balls for either of these guys. Injury could straighten it out, we'll have to see. Russell will likely be battling for a roster spot. Steelers like to carry 3 RB's, I believe...

I think he's the odd man out if Parker and Mendenhall are both healthy.

I doubt it. He'll stay their 3rd down and Receiving back and Tomlin loves him.I think Russell is gone IF Mendy picks up the tough yardage

how did he look in limited action this year? i heard he looked bad... and the stat lines arnt very impressive.. i think they are like 9 - 28 and 10-30..... i drafted him at 1.2 from the potential i saw in college, just looking for some reassurance!! i didnt expect significant stats this year anyways.

small sample size makes it irrelevant.

Not being a large sample size doesn't make it significant, but just because it's a small sample size doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's foolish to completely ignore things like this blaming it on the "small sample size" excuse.

It pretty much is irrelevant because 19 carries does not make a career... and I thought, as did other Steelers fans, he ran hard and looked decent against the Ravens.

Felix Jones only had 30 carries in 2008. Only 11 more than Mendenhall and would seem "irrelevant". Watching Felix vs. RM, DESPITE being a small sample size, I like what I saw from Felix a lot more. You can still get good information from small sample sizes, you just have to be careful not to jump to conclusions based on them. But again, just because it's a small sample size doesn't make it irrelevant. The consensus from those who watched RM was that he did not look good on those 19 carries. On the flipside, Felix looked very good on just 30 carries. That doesn't necessarily mean that Felix is > RM, but to ignore what they showed from the start is foolish, IMO.

But hey, if it's irrelevant to you, then so be it.

The Ravens had the #1 defense against the run, you do realize that,right?

The Texans were terrible against the run, you do realize that, right? Again, I'm not saying you have to read a ton into what happened as it is a small sample size and it's not anywhere near as significant as what other rookies did with a lot more carries. BUT, it would have been much nicer if he had done SOMETHING to look good. There was nothing special about what he did. If he did, his current value would be higher than what it is. There's a reason the overall consensus on him is a "wait and see" approach with a little nervousness. And it's not because the general majority is stupid and can't see that it's a small sample size. His performance, while limited, is NOT irrelevant, at least to me. It is taken with a grain of salt, however.

 

[PatsWillWin]

19 carries = irrelevant.

 

[Chachi]

Ok, I'll make you feel better: That 1.2 or 1.3 rookie pick you spent on Mendenhall last season was worth every penny, great pick, you are truly a great GM of a fantasy team, he is the next Jim Brown.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Ok, I'll make you feel better: That 1.2 or 1.3 rookie pick you spent on Mendenhall last season was worth every penny, great pick, you are truly a great GM of a fantasy team, he is the next Jim Brown.

Is that really needed? Of course he could bust, just like Crabtree could bust. Let us see some more of Mendenhall before we kick him to the curb.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Ok, I'll make you feel better: That 1.2 or 1.3 rookie pick you spent on Mendenhall last season was worth every penny, great pick, you are truly a great GM of a fantasy team, he is the next Jim Brown.

Thanks.

 

[Chachi]

Ok, I'll make you feel better: That 1.2 or 1.3 rookie pick you spent on Mendenhall last season was worth every penny, great pick, you are truly a great GM of a fantasy team, he is the next Jim Brown.

Is that really needed? Of course he could bust, just like Crabtree could bust. Let us see some more of Mendenhall before we kick him to the curb.

At this moment in time, I will take Crabtree over Mendenhall. I don't think their chances of being a bust are comparable at all. Mendenhall played 3 years in college, 1 year was productive. Crabtree played 2 years and was ultra productive in 2 years and won the award for best WR in the nation both years. Crabtree is considered by scouts/draft experts as an elite prospect, Mendenhall is not. Mendenhall is injury prone, Crabtree is not. You're comparing apples and oranges here, you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

 

[Aero]

There were those who discounted Rashard's ability to make it in the NFL by using the fact that he couldn't unseat Pierre Thomas at Illinois as evidence. I guess that particular argument has lost some validity, since Pierre has now demonstrated solid starter talent. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "one year wonder" excuse should have a big, fat disclaimer by it....being a backup to a future NFL starter in college isn't something he could control.

 

[Chachi]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

I think if you read the Crabtree thread you will notice I'm not the only one who believes there are red flags concerning Crabtree. That's the reason why I said, "You really believe that?".

 

[Chachi]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

I think if you read the Crabtree thread you will notice I'm not the only one who believes there are red flags concerning Crabtree. That's the reason why I said, "You really believe that?".

I read it and i'm not convinced. I think more likely people seen you getting a rise out of certain members and took your position just to cause a ruckus.

 

[puckalicious]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

I think if you read the Crabtree thread you will notice I'm not the only one who believes there are red flags concerning Crabtree. That's the reason why I said, "You really believe that?".

I read it and i'm not convinced. I think more likely people seen you getting a rise out of certain members and took your position just to cause a ruckus.

The only people in the SP I know of that do this is you and LHUCKS. Oh and that Billy Ball guy, and Moderated.

 

[Bojang0301]

Well some great insight on this thread. 19 carries tell us nothing.

You can compare him to Felix Jones 30 carries but I wouldn't recommend it. You might end up biting at the next Jerious Norwood.

 

[KellysHeroes]

i thought Moore looked like the Best Steeler RB when he got his chance...

 

[FantasyTrader]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

I think if you read the Crabtree thread you will notice I'm not the only one who believes there are red flags concerning Crabtree. That's the reason why I said, "You really believe that?".

I read it and i'm not convinced. I think more likely people seen you getting a rise out of certain members and took your position just to cause a ruckus.

I'm disappointed Chachi. I like your posts and you contribute some great thoughts that I learn from. But you're coming off with a real edge in this thread and I'm not sure where it's coming from. You can disagree without coming across as "I'm right and to believe otherwise is stupid".

 

[twr]

you see "lots of red flags" about Crabtree but you're the only one.

You really believe that?

You really don't believe that?

I think if you read the Crabtree thread you will notice I'm not the only one who believes there are red flags concerning Crabtree. That's the reason why I said, "You really believe that?".

I read it and i'm not convinced. I think more likely people seen you getting a rise out of certain members and took your position just to cause a ruckus.

no. something about crabtree isnt right. the system he played in, and his speed are pretty big concerns. in return leagues maclin has more value...granted i still think tree still goes #2 regarless in rookie drafts... but i would be very nervous drafting him... just as im pretty nervous about mendenhall. ( im a owner )