#3 Rookie Pick, Beckhan, Cooks, Benjamin, QB or still available (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Last night left the #3 pick holders with lots of questions

Is Beckham really worthy of the #3?

Did Cooks jump all the way up #3?

Benjamin the #1 WR in Car?

Any of the QBs good enough to be taken that high (start 1 QB leagues)?

And depending on format did Ebron landing in pass happy Det get bump to #3.

I don't see any of the other WRs being drafted getting bumped to #3, and maybe if a RB lands in a good spot but not sure if I can think of a spot that; in short pick #3 got hosed.

 

[massraider]

These RBs start going, and one will jump right on up to #2, bet on it.

 

[humpback]

Last night left the #3 pick holders with lots of questions

Is Beckham really worthy of the #3?

Did Cooks jump all the way up #3?

Benjamin the #1 WR in Car?

Any of the QBs good enough to be taken that high (start 1 QB leagues)?

And depending on format did Ebron landing in pass happy Det get bump to #3.

I don't see any of the other WRs being drafted getting bumped to #3, and maybe if a RB lands in a good spot but not sure if I can think of a spot that; in short pick #3 got hosed.

How does having several good options equal getting hosed?

 

[Denver724]

I see Watkins and Evans going #1 and #2 in most normal PPR drafts. #3 and #4 will probably be Cooks and the RB the Titans take.

 

[MattFancy]

I hold 1.3 in one league and have been looking to trade down to later in the first. I just don't really love anyone with that pick so far.

 

[False Start]

Not drafted yet.

 

[cstu]

Last night left the #3 pick holders with lots of questions

Is Beckham really worthy of the #3?

Did Cooks jump all the way up #3?

Benjamin the #1 WR in Car?

Any of the QBs good enough to be taken that high (start 1 QB leagues)?

And depending on format did Ebron landing in pass happy Det get bump to #3.

I don't see any of the other WRs being drafted getting bumped to #3, and maybe if a RB lands in a good spot but not sure if I can think of a spot that; in short pick #3 got hosed.

How does having several good options equal getting hosed?

Devalues the #3 pick.

 

[humpback]

Last night left the #3 pick holders with lots of questions

Is Beckham really worthy of the #3?

Did Cooks jump all the way up #3?

Benjamin the #1 WR in Car?

Any of the QBs good enough to be taken that high (start 1 QB leagues)?

And depending on format did Ebron landing in pass happy Det get bump to #3.

I don't see any of the other WRs being drafted getting bumped to #3, and maybe if a RB lands in a good spot but not sure if I can think of a spot that; in short pick #3 got hosed.

How does having several good options equal getting hosed?

Devalues the #3 pick.

That only really matters if you are going to trade it, and it's only true if the rest of your league agrees with the OP. If someone already had one of these guys as their #3 overall (Cooks, for instance), the value of that pick would probably be even higher (at least to them). We still have all of the RBs to be drafted as well obviously.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Not drafted yet.

it will be an rb in most leagues

 

[Bruce Hammond]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

 

[BoltzNBrew]

I hold 1.3 in one league and have been looking to trade down to later in the first. I just don't really love anyone with that pick so far.

I have 1.03 in one league and have no fricken clue what I am going to do at this point. I will entertain offers I suppose.

 

[EBF]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Should be a top 3 pick in every TE-premium format. It is impressive when a WR goes in the top 10-15, but not all that rare.

On the other hand, how many times have we seen a TE go in the top 10 in the past decade? Twice. Winslow and Davis.

Good argument that Ebron is the best prospect relative to his position of any skill player in the draft. Oh, and the NFL rarely misses huge on first round TEs.

I think he's the boring, safe pick this year. Even more so than Beckham, who probably doesn't have the ceiling to be a top 10 NFL player at his position.

 

[MattFancy]

I hold 1.3 in one league and have been looking to trade down to later in the first. I just don't really love anyone with that pick so far.

I have 1.03 in one league and have no fricken clue what I am going to do at this point. I will entertain offers I suppose.

My team has needs at WR and RB, so I could use 1.3, but would rather get some more picks to help out.

 

[EBF]

I feel like Cooks is the most logical connect-the-dots #3 pick in a generic format. First round pick with an elite trait (speed + quickness) going into a juggernaut offense. Like Beckham and Ebron more as athletes though, which complicates the decision. I hold the #3 pick in three leagues and I don't know which way I'm going yet. Plan to decide that in the next few hours.

 

[Xue]

Robinson, Matthews, Adams, and Latimer can all jump ahead of Cooks if they go to great situations. Way too early.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

I hold 1.3 in one league and have been looking to trade down to later in the first. I just don't really love anyone with that pick so far.

I have 1.03 in one league and have no fricken clue what I am going to do at this point. I will entertain offers I suppose.

My team has needs at WR and RB, so I could use 1.3, but would rather get some more picks to help out.

I could use both WR and RB as well which makes this more difficult. I had it Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Hyde before the draft but Cooks to NO might make this pick more valuable to trade down a couple spots.

Edit: I acquired 1.09 in a trade this league as well. 2nd and 3rd rounds tonight should allow me to re-rank the top 15 players and put together a strategy. Our draft starts Tuesday so not much time to absorb it all.

 

[matttyl]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Should be a top 3 pick in every TE-premium format. It is impressive when a WR goes in the top 10-15, but not all that rare.

On the other hand, how many times have we seen a TE go in the top 10 in the past decade? Twice. Winslow and Davis.

Good argument that Ebron is the best prospect relative to his position of any skill player in the draft. Oh, and the NFL rarely misses huge on first round TEs.

I think he's the boring, safe pick this year. Even more so than Beckham, who probably doesn't have the ceiling to be a top 10 NFL player at his position.

Lower the bar (slightly) to top 13, and look back even further and you can add HOF Tony Gonzalez. Not a bad group to be a part of if you ask me.

 

[cstu]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Should be a top 3 pick in every TE-premium format. It is impressive when a WR goes in the top 10-15, but not all that rare.

On the other hand, how many times have we seen a TE go in the top 10 in the past decade? Twice. Winslow and Davis.

Good argument that Ebron is the best prospect relative to his position of any skill player in the draft. Oh, and the NFL rarely misses huge on first round TEs.

I think he's the boring, safe pick this year. Even more so than Beckham, who probably doesn't have the ceiling to be a top 10 NFL player at his position.

Lower the bar (slightly) to top 13, and look back even further and you can add HOF Tony Gonzalez. Not a bad group to be a part of if you ask me.

Lowering one more to 14 gives you Shockey...and Bubba Franks.

That's the short list of TE's drafted in the first 19 picks.

 

[Vincesanity]

Cooks for me

 

[ghostguy123]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Easily top 3 ADP for the 1.5 leagues. I can see some people taking him pick #1.

 

[solorca]

I think that Cooks has jumped up to the definite #3. Watkins, Evans, Cooks...then it gets hairy.

A month or two back, I traded the 1.03 for the 1.06 and 1.13.

 

[matttyl]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Easily top 3 ADP for the 1.5 leagues. I can see some people taking him pick #1.

Could this be the first, and possibly only year that (even in regular PPR, not TE premium leagues) a TE is drafted ahead of all the RBs?

 

[EBF]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Easily top 3 ADP for the 1.5 leagues. I can see some people taking him pick #1.

Could this be the first, and possibly only year that (even in regular PPR, not TE premium leagues) a TE is drafted ahead of all the RBs?

All it will take is a favorable landing spot tonight for Hill/Hyde/Mason/Sankey and/or maybe even Williams to jump into the conversation.

Teams will reach for a RB in FF the same way NFL teams reach for QBs in the real draft.

 

[matttyl]

My question to you guys -- Where do you see Ebron now in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (1 PPR all others). Does he go to #3? Even possibly #2? Or is he still behind Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Beckham even with 1.5 PPR?

Easily top 3 ADP for the 1.5 leagues. I can see some people taking him pick #1.

Could this be the first, and possibly only year that (even in regular PPR, not TE premium leagues) a TE is drafted ahead of all the RBs?

All it will take is a favorable landing spot tonight for Hill/Hyde/Mason/Sankey and/or maybe even Williams to jump into the conversation.

Teams will reach for a RB in FF the same way NFL teams reach for QBs in the real draft.

I'm sure one of them will end up in Tenn., with a good chance another ends up in Atlanta. Even with that, though, still a strong case can be made for Ebron over any of them.

 

[Xue]

Robinson, Matthews, Adams, and Latimer can all jump ahead of Cooks if they go to great situations. Way too early.

See what I mean folks? Matthews just leapfrogged Cooks to take 1.03. And he might not be too far from Evans/Watkins.

 

[cstu]

Robinson, Matthews, Adams, and Latimer can all jump ahead of Cooks if they go to great situations. Way too early.

See what I mean folks? Matthews just leapfrogged Cooks to take 1.03. And he might not be too far from Evans/Watkins.

I wouldn't go that far and still have Beckham and Cooks at 3 and 4.

 

[duaneok66]

too early to call, they haven't even turned for home yet - wait til the Titans and the Falcons draft a RB.

 

[KellysHeroes]

too early to call, they haven't even turned for home yet - wait til the Titans and the Falcons draft a RB.

at this rate a 3rd round RB is going to challenge for the #3 rookie pick

 

[duaneok66]

too early to call, they haven't even turned for home yet - wait til the Titans and the Falcons draft a RB.

at this rate a 3rd round RB is going to challenge for the #3 rookie pick

agreed.

 

[duaneok66]

The #3 just got selected.

 

[cstu]

My early rankings through 2nd round:

Watkins - Bills

Evans - Bucs

Sankey - Titans

Beckham - Giants

Cooks - Saints

Matthews - Eagles

Ebron - Lions

Latimer - Broncos

Hyde - 49ers

Adams - Packers

Lee - Jags

Robinson - Jags

Amaro - Jets

Landry - Dolphins

Hill - Bengals

 

[Archer]

In a redraft would you still rank Beckham over Cooks in a PPR redraft though? I really like a Brees offense far better than an Eli one....

 

[BoltzNBrew]

My early rankings through 2nd round:

Watkins - Bills

Evans - Bucs

Sankey - Titans

Beckham - Giants

Cooks - Saints

Matthews - Eagles

Ebron - Lions

Latimer - Broncos

Hyde - 49ers

Adams - Packers

Lee - Jags

Robinson - Jags

Amaro - Jets

Landry - Dolphins

Hill - Bengals

After today I think Sankey shoots way up everyone's board for the simple fact he's the only one landing where he could start this year. All the other RB situations are RBBC or backups so if you are desperate for RB I guess he's it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Sankey and Adams have to be in this discussion as well.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I'll play... quick 2 round PPR ranking -- disclaimer -- subject to lots of revision after some sleep

1 WR Sammy Watkins
2 WR Mike Evans
3 WR Brandin Cooks
4 TE Eric Ebron
5 RB Bishop Sankey
6 WR Odell Beckham, Jr.
7 RB Carlos Hyde
8 QB Blake Bortles
9 WR Davante Adams
10 WR Marqise Lee
11 WR Jordan Matthews
12 RB Tre Mason

13 RB Jeremy Hill
14 WR Allen Robinson
15 TE Jace Amaro
16 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins
17 WR Kelvin Benjamin (as posted in a couple of threads, I'm not a fan despite situation)
18 WR Cody Latimer
19 WR Donte Moncrief
20 QB Johnny Manziel
21 QB Teddy Bridgewater
22 WR Paul Richardson
23 RB Charles Sims
24 RB Terrance West

 

[EBF]

I'll play... quick 2 round PPR ranking -- disclaimer -- subject to lots of revision after some sleep

1 WR Sammy Watkins

2 WR Mike Evans

3 WR Brandin Cooks

4 TE Eric Ebron

5 RB Bishop Sankey

6 WR Odell Beckham, Jr.

7 RB Carlos Hyde

8 QB Blake Bortles

9 WR Davante Adams

10 WR Marqise Lee

11 WR Jordan Matthews

12 RB Tre Mason

13 RB Jeremy Hill

14 WR Allen Robinson

15 TE Jace Amaro

16 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

17 WR Kelvin Benjamin (as posted in a couple of threads, I'm not a fan despite situation)

18 WR Cody Latimer

19 WR Donte Moncrief

20 QB Johnny Manziel

21 QB Teddy Bridgewater

22 WR Paul Richardson

23 RB Charles Sims

24 RB Terrance West

Nice list. I'm wondering where Latimer will go. 2nd round pick + the Manning factor could bump him up ala Adams.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

The problem with Latimer is being behind 3 WRs + TE for targets early on and then Peyton may well be done by the time he ever becomes the #2/3 target. Iffy situation. I may have Adams too high but I'm an admitted fanboy, and QB Rodgers will still be going strong when Adams has passed Boykin and then Nelson who is 29.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I'm not a fan of him myself, but Bishop Sankey is gonna be a top 3 pick in 95% of fantasy drafts imo.

People have always loved drafting RBs over any other position, and these days when just about everyone needs a RB they're going to get drafted higher and higher regardless of how late they go in the actual NFL draft. And seeing as Sankey is the first RB taken and basically the only RB who has a perceived workhorse spot waiting for him this year, I just don't see him falling past pick #3 in very many drafts. I expect him to go #1 overall in a lot of drafts.

 

[cstu]

In a redraft would you still rank Beckham over Cooks in a PPR redraft though? I really like a Brees offense far better than an Eli one....

Tough call, but I like Beckham's overall talent better.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'll play... quick 2 round PPR ranking -- disclaimer -- subject to lots of revision after some sleep

1 WR Sammy Watkins

2 WR Mike Evans

3 WR Brandin Cooks

4 TE Eric Ebron

5 RB Bishop Sankey

6 WR Odell Beckham, Jr.

7 RB Carlos Hyde

8 QB Blake Bortles

9 WR Davante Adams

10 WR Marqise Lee

11 WR Jordan Matthews

12 RB Tre Mason

13 RB Jeremy Hill

14 WR Allen Robinson

15 TE Jace Amaro

16 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

17 WR Kelvin Benjamin (as posted in a couple of threads, I'm not a fan despite situation)

18 WR Cody Latimer

19 WR Donte Moncrief

20 QB Johnny Manziel

21 QB Teddy Bridgewater

22 WR Paul Richardson

23 RB Charles Sims

24 RB Terrance West

I would put Hill in the first and Bortles in the second. People will take Manziel over Bortles due to the rushing yards etc.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I'm not a fan of him myself, but Bishop Sankey is gonna be a top 3 pick in 95% of fantasy drafts imo.

People have always loved drafting RBs over any other position, and these days when just about everyone needs a RB they're going to get drafted higher and higher regardless of how late they go in the actual NFL draft. And seeing as Sankey is the first RB taken and basically the only RB who has a perceived workhorse spot waiting for him this year, I just don't see him falling past pick #3 in very many drafts. I expect him to go #1 overall in a lot of drafts.

A lot of leagues are going to 1 required RB with more flex spots, and that alleviates the pressure to take RB as high. And if the league is PPR as well, that makes it a whole lot easier to go with a top WR with a 10 year highly productive career vs a top RB with a 5 year highly productive career. Most of my leagues now are both PPR and 1 RB required, and that's reflected in my rankings above.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I would put Hill in the first and Bortles in the second. People will take Manziel over Bortles due to the rushing yards etc.

I think Bortles is the only QB in this draft with a > 50% chance of being a future fantasy starting QB which is why I have him above that next group of less likely stud WR/RB. I think the rest of the QBs in this class are more likely to be fantasy QB2s and QB3s, or wash out completely.

I also think personally that Manziel will be hurt a lot due to style of play and height + build. And remember, if the news of today is accurate he's lost Gordon and they did not replace him in the draft. Gordon, from what I read from beat writer Mary Kay Cabot, can be gone indefinitely like Blackmon, not a one year ban. Hell, he might never be back for any length of time if he just keeps failing tests.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I'm not a fan of him myself, but Bishop Sankey is gonna be a top 3 pick in 95% of fantasy drafts imo.

People have always loved drafting RBs over any other position, and these days when just about everyone needs a RB they're going to get drafted higher and higher regardless of how late they go in the actual NFL draft. And seeing as Sankey is the first RB taken and basically the only RB who has a perceived workhorse spot waiting for him this year, I just don't see him falling past pick #3 in very many drafts. I expect him to go #1 overall in a lot of drafts.

A lot of leagues are going to 1 required RB with more flex spots, and that alleviates the pressure to take RB as high. And if the league is PPR as well, that makes it a whole lot easier to go with a top WR with a 10 year highly productive career vs a top RB with a 5 year highly productive career. Most of my leagues now are both PPR and 1 RB required, and that's reflected in my rankings above.

Are these new leagues or established leagues? Anecdotal evidence isn't much, but from my experience getting owners to mutually agree to a rule change as significant as decreasing the required RB spots to 1 isn't going to happen.

And the thing about WRs is there's so many of them you'll likely be able to pick up one in the 2nd round of rookie drafts that you'll be happy with. Especially for this season, as the people with top 5 picks are basically guaranteed to be able to grab a WR in the 2nd round who went in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft. I think many owners would be more than pleased with themselves that they'll be able to combo Sankey with a WR like Adams/Lee/Latimer/Robinson/Matthews who each have a shot at having productive 10 year careers in their own right.

 

[cstu]

I'm not a fan of him myself, but Bishop Sankey is gonna be a top 3 pick in 95% of fantasy drafts imo.

People have always loved drafting RBs over any other position, and these days when just about everyone needs a RB they're going to get drafted higher and higher regardless of how late they go in the actual NFL draft. And seeing as Sankey is the first RB taken and basically the only RB who has a perceived workhorse spot waiting for him this year, I just don't see him falling past pick #3 in very many drafts. I expect him to go #1 overall in a lot of drafts.

A lot of leagues are going to 1 required RB with more flex spots, and that alleviates the pressure to take RB as high. And if the league is PPR as well, that makes it a whole lot easier to go with a top WR with a 10 year highly productive career vs a top RB with a 5 year highly productive career. Most of my leagues now are both PPR and 1 RB required, and that's reflected in my rankings above.

Are these new leagues or established leagues? Anecdotal evidence isn't much, but from my experience getting owners to mutually agree to a rule change as significant as decreasing the required RB spots to 1 isn't going to happen.

And the thing about WRs is there's so many of them you'll likely be able to pick up one in the 2nd round of rookie drafts that you'll be happy with. Especially for this season, as the people with top 5 picks are basically guaranteed to be able to grab a WR in the 2nd round who went in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft. I think many owners would be more than pleased with themselves that they'll be able to combo Sankey with a WR like Adams/Lee/Latimer/Robinson/Matthews.

These leagues started out as start 1 RB from the beginning. They do become very WR focused but it does allow you to pick up RB's cheap and build your team different ways.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I'm not a fan of him myself, but Bishop Sankey is gonna be a top 3 pick in 95% of fantasy drafts imo.

People have always loved drafting RBs over any other position, and these days when just about everyone needs a RB they're going to get drafted higher and higher regardless of how late they go in the actual NFL draft. And seeing as Sankey is the first RB taken and basically the only RB who has a perceived workhorse spot waiting for him this year, I just don't see him falling past pick #3 in very many drafts. I expect him to go #1 overall in a lot of drafts.

A lot of leagues are going to 1 required RB with more flex spots, and that alleviates the pressure to take RB as high. And if the league is PPR as well, that makes it a whole lot easier to go with a top WR with a 10 year highly productive career vs a top RB with a 5 year highly productive career. Most of my leagues now are both PPR and 1 RB required, and that's reflected in my rankings above.

Are these new leagues or established leagues? Anecdotal evidence isn't much, but from my experience getting owners to mutually agree to a rule change as significant as decreasing the required RB spots to 1 isn't going to happen.

And the thing about WRs is there's so many of them you'll likely be able to pick up one in the 2nd round of rookie drafts that you'll be happy with. Especially for this season, as the people with top 5 picks are basically guaranteed to be able to grab a WR in the 2nd round who went in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft. I think many owners would be more than pleased with themselves that they'll be able to combo Sankey with a WR like Adams/Lee/Latimer/Robinson/Matthews who each have a shot at having productive 10 year careers in their own right.

One of my leagues voted to change the 2nd RB spot into a flex spot because of all the RBBC in the NFL and devaluation of the RB position, but we voted to do it one extra year out so owners had time to adjust. This will be the first year that league doesn't require two RB. In five of my leagues (EBF and cstu from this thread, and many others as they are 24 team, two conf. leagues) have been 1 RB from the start.

Also, there's been a proliferation of 1.5 PPR for TE leagues in the last few years including some of the national contests, and that further devalues the RB position.

So, if we're looking at a traditional 1-2-3-1 league, no PPR, no question RB is still king and everyone is hellbent on gobbling them up, especially since there are so few great producers to gobble. But as the hobby adapts to the NFL's smaller emphasis on the bellcow RB and his 300+ carries, more emphasis is being put on the stud WR, especially in PPR, and especially in dynasty where careers are longer.

 

[Donnybrook]

I would put Hill in the first and Bortles in the second. People will take Manziel over Bortles due to the rushing yards etc.

I think Bortles is the only QB in this draft with a > 50% chance of being a future fantasy starting QB which is why I have him above that next group of less likely stud WR/RB. I think the rest of the QBs in this class are more likely to be fantasy QB2s and QB3s, or wash out completely.

I also think personally that Manziel will be hurt a lot due to style of play and height + build. And remember, if the news of today is accurate he's lost Gordon and they did not replace him in the draft. Gordon, from what I read from beat writer Mary Kay Cabot, can be gone indefinitely like Blackmon, not a one year ban. Hell, he might never be back for any length of time if he just keeps failing tests.

Tough to say. Manziel has the benefit of a proven NFL line and Bortles doesn't. I have been hearing 6-8 games for Gordon. In dynasty you have to look past year one especially for a QB. I doubt anyone will be starting Bortles or Manziel in year one unless they have bye or injury issues to their starting QB.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I would put Hill in the first and Bortles in the second. People will take Manziel over Bortles due to the rushing yards etc.

I think Bortles is the only QB in this draft with a > 50% chance of being a future fantasy starting QB which is why I have him above that next group of less likely stud WR/RB. I think the rest of the QBs in this class are more likely to be fantasy QB2s and QB3s, or wash out completely.

I also think personally that Manziel will be hurt a lot due to style of play and height + build. And remember, if the news of today is accurate he's lost Gordon and they did not replace him in the draft. Gordon, from what I read from beat writer Mary Kay Cabot, can be gone indefinitely like Blackmon, not a one year ban. Hell, he might never be back for any length of time if he just keeps failing tests.

Tough to say. Manziel has the benefit of a proven NFL line and Bortles doesn't. I have been hearing 6-8 games for Gordon. In dynasty you have to look past year one especially for a QB. I doubt anyone will be starting Bortles or Manziel in year one unless they have bye or injury issues to their starting QB.

I don't consider a rookie QB's year one in almost any case. It's all about the future. I know consensus rankings will have Manziel higher and Bortles lower than I have them, but I'm not posting my best guess at what consensus rankings will be, I'm posting my own.. Consensus rankings also loved Tebow for awhile. But I've been wrong a few gazillion times about things too. This is my feeling, that Bortles will succeed and the others will be pretty marginal, so we'll see.

 

[Milkman]

My early rankings through 2nd round:

Watkins - Bills

Evans - Bucs

Sankey - Titans

Beckham - Giants

Cooks - Saints

Matthews - Eagles

Ebron - Lions

Latimer - Broncos

Hyde - 49ers

Adams - Packers

Lee - Jags

Robinson - Jags

Amaro - Jets

Landry - Dolphins

Hill - Bengals

My top 12 (PPR) after the 3rd round

Sankey - Titans

Evans - Bucs

Cooks - Saints

Matthews - Eagles

Watkins - Bills

Ebron - Lions

Hyde - 49ers

Beckham - Giants

Adams - Packers

Latimer - Broncos

Hill - Bengals

Lee - Jags

The RB position is so thin and the WR position is so saturated that unless you are just absolutely in love with a WR you have to take Sankey higher then he grades out. Good chance Sankey goes #1 in a lot of FF drafts. Especially if he starts tearing it up in the preseason and your rookie draft is late.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I would put Hill in the first and Bortles in the second. People will take Manziel over Bortles due to the rushing yards etc.

I think Bortles is the only QB in this draft with a > 50% chance of being a future fantasy starting QB which is why I have him above that next group of less likely stud WR/RB. I think the rest of the QBs in this class are more likely to be fantasy QB2s and QB3s, or wash out completely.

I also think personally that Manziel will be hurt a lot due to style of play and height + build. And remember, if the news of today is accurate he's lost Gordon and they did not replace him in the draft. Gordon, from what I read from beat writer Mary Kay Cabot, can be gone indefinitely like Blackmon, not a one year ban. Hell, he might never be back for any length of time if he just keeps failing tests.

Tough to say. Manziel has the benefit of a proven NFL line and Bortles doesn't. I have been hearing 6-8 games for Gordon. In dynasty you have to look past year one especially for a QB. I doubt anyone will be starting Bortles or Manziel in year one unless they have bye or injury issues to their starting QB.

6 - 8 games, where u getting that figure.

 

[KellysHeroes]

considering Sankey is the only RB to land a starting position (even still hes got Greene & Robinson) I see him being #3