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30 for 30: The price of Gold (1 Viewer)

dhockster

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Did anybody watch this last night about Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan? I was fascinated. Even though I lived through it 20 years ago, I had forgotten a lot of the details. Tonya Harding comes across as a very sad character. Sad that she had such a rotten upbringing, sad that she had no support during the whole Olympic fiasco, sad that 20 years later she doesn't think that she was responsible for any of it.

The details of that incident are so amazing you couldn't have scripted a better TV drama

 
I watched it and came out very conflicted. For all of the reasons you mentioned, I found myself feeling bad for Harding, and believing that she honestly didn't know anything about the attack. The media constantly following and hounding her made me feel bad for her, too.

On the other hand, its hard to believe that she couldn't have known, and someone capable of such an act is probably just as capable of manipulating you into believing that they're the victim.

I thought, too, that they really tried to portray Kerrigan as the spoiled rich girl.

All in all, I thought it was very interesting and good.

 
I remember seeing the pics they sold in the back of my dads Penthouse. That was a long time ago.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
I watched it and came out very conflicted. For all of the reasons you mentioned, I found myself feeling bad for Harding, and believing that she honestly didn't know anything about the attack. The media constantly following and hounding her made me feel bad for her, too.

On the other hand, its hard to believe that she couldn't have known, and someone capable of such an act is probably just as capable of manipulating you into believing that they're the victim.

I thought, too, that they really tried to portray Kerrigan as the spoiled rich girl.

All in all, I thought it was very interesting and good.
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I don't think they intentionally tried to portray Kerrigan as the spoiled rich girl, I think that is just how she came across. Which is unfortunate because I don't think she was a spoiled rich girl. I think that she was just so focused on doing what she needed to do that she did not have time for the distraction of the media. Therefore, she came across as somewhat aloof.

I was amazed that when her team was trying to decide whether to deal with the rehab or with the emotional trauma of the attack, Nancy was all about the rehab and had no interest in dealing with the trauma of the attack. I also love that when she went out to practice in Norway, she wore the exact outfit she was attacked in. A very mentally tough competitor.

 
I lived right in the middle of this, I grew up in NK home town. The whole thing was an absolute S show for 6 months. Seemed like every week they had a parade for her and you couldn't so much as run out to go grocery shopping. We had reporters walking the square looking to interview people and news cameras just walking around. The story was literally larger then life.

The townines were "happy for her" but at the same time we all hated her guts.

 
She wasnt a rich girl.... solid middle class, but not rich.

Fun fact: Her dad won $1M on a scratch ticket about 10 years ago.

Fun fact 2: Her brother beat up her father and went to jail over it.

 
I only saw a few minutes, but Tanya seemed in denial. She couldn't understand why,when they had to skate with each other at the Olympic warm up, why Nancy wasn't all buddy-buddy with her. Tanya has to understand, wether she really wasn't a part of it, or was in on the whole thing, that Nancy is going to be pissed at her because her ex had her knee clubbed.

 
One thing I still don't get about this. Wasn't Tonya pretty much a lock to make the Olympic team anyway?

Was Kwan really capable of beating either of them at the time?

 
dhockster said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
I watched it and came out very conflicted. For all of the reasons you mentioned, I found myself feeling bad for Harding, and believing that she honestly didn't know anything about the attack. The media constantly following and hounding her made me feel bad for her, too.

On the other hand, its hard to believe that she couldn't have known, and someone capable of such an act is probably just as capable of manipulating you into believing that they're the victim.

I thought, too, that they really tried to portray Kerrigan as the spoiled rich girl.

All in all, I thought it was very interesting and good.
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I don't think they intentionally tried to portray Kerrigan as the spoiled rich girl, I think that is just how she came across. Which is unfortunate because I don't think she was a spoiled rich girl. I think that she was just so focused on doing what she needed to do that she did not have time for the distraction of the media. Therefore, she came across as somewhat aloof.

I was amazed that when her team was trying to decide whether to deal with the rehab or with the emotional trauma of the attack, Nancy was all about the rehab and had no interest in dealing with the trauma of the attack. I also love that when she went out to practice in Norway, she wore the exact outfit she was attacked in. A very mentally tough competitor.
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I probably didn't say that the way that I wanted to. I agree with you that it was moreso how shoe came across, rather than how they portrayed her.

 
Kind of amazing how things have changed in 20 years -- when the TV station in Portland got the anonymous letter and called Tanya to ask about it, she and her husband just got in the car to drive over there and do an interview.

Today, there's no way in the world a local TV reporter could get access like that to a World Champion skater. They'd have to go through agents and publicists, and there would be a lawyer demanding a copy of the letter and making sure Tanya didn't say or do anything incriminating.

 
E Street Brat said:
One thing I still don't get about this. Wasn't Tonya pretty much a lock to make the Olympic team anyway?

Was Kwan really capable of beating either of them at the time?
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I think the idea was to knock Kerrigan off, more than put Tonya on. Tonya would become the star of the U.S. Olympic team, and get the endorsements that would come just by virtue of that.

(Not saying it was logical.)

 
E Street Brat said:
One thing I still don't get about this. Wasn't Tonya pretty much a lock to make the Olympic team anyway?

Was Kwan really capable of beating either of them at the time?
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I think they wanted to knock Kerrigan not just out of the trials but out of the Olympics. She was Tonya's big obstacle to gold, and gold was where the dollars were. Oksana Baiul came out of nowhere to win gold, she was not seen as a huge threat pre-olympics.

 
The Ref said:
I lived right in the middle of this, I grew up in NK home town. The whole thing was an absolute S show for 6 months. Seemed like every week they had a parade for her and you couldn't so much as run out to go grocery shopping. We had reporters walking the square looking to interview people and news cameras just walking around. The story was literally larger then life.

The townines were "happy for her" but at the same time we all hated her guts.
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I don't think I've ever heard anybody say anything pleasant about her outside of her skating.

 
The Ref said:
She wasnt a rich girl.... solid middle class, but not rich.

Fun fact: Her dad won $1M on a scratch ticket about 10 years ago.

Fun fact 2: Her brother beat up her father and went to jail over it.
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that second fact is not all that fun

 
Watched this and back in the day I was a big Tonya Harding fan. Wished things turned out different for her.

What I took away from this show is that Tonya, like she mentioned about Nancy, is that she has some sour grapes too. Sure, she wanted the glitz and glam but was unsure how to get them. Nancy, not a fan of hers, but has handled her life as normal as can be even in this spotlight.

After its all said and done, I don't get the feeling that Tonya had anything to do with the planning of this or even was in on any discussion. What was her motive for doing so? She beat Nancy before and she knew what issues she was going through in 1992. The other guys had much more motive in all of this. One thing that sticks out to me is this though... if Tonya was involved in the planning, she stays with Jeff. She left him nearly right away. To me, that speaks volumes. If she had hung around or stayed married to him... I say she was involved but she didn't do that.

In the end... its probably a good thing Nancy won the silver and not the gold.

 
Mario Kart said:
After its all said and done, I don't get the feeling that Tonya had anything to do with the planning of this or even was in on any discussion. What was her motive for doing so? She beat Nancy before and she knew what issues she was going through in 1992. The other guys had much more motive in all of this. One thing that sticks out to me is this though... if Tonya was involved in the planning, she stays with Jeff. She left him nearly right away. To me, that speaks volumes. If she had hung around or stayed married to him... I say she was involved but she didn't do that.
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Harding left Gillooly because he cut a deal with prosecutors to testify against her.

Besides that, there's simply no way that Harding could have remained with Gillooly and maintained a skating career. She had to separate herself from him.

 
Mario Kart said:
Watched this and back in the day I was a big Tonya Harding fan. Wished things turned out different for her.

What I took away from this show is that Tonya, like she mentioned about Nancy, is that she has some sour grapes too. Sure, she wanted the glitz and glam but was unsure how to get them. Nancy, not a fan of hers, but has handled her life as normal as can be even in this spotlight.

After its all said and done, I don't get the feeling that Tonya had anything to do with the planning of this or even was in on any discussion. What was her motive for doing so? She beat Nancy before and she knew what issues she was going through in 1992. The other guys had much more motive in all of this. One thing that sticks out to me is this though... if Tonya was involved in the planning, she stays with Jeff. She left him nearly right away. To me, that speaks volumes. If she had hung around or stayed married to him... I say she was involved but she didn't do that.

In the end... its probably a good thing Nancy won the silver and not the gold.
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Everyone has to form their own opinion on this one, I think it's highly probably she was in on all of it.

The note in Tonya's handwriting with Kerrigan's practice skating location seems pretty damning... it was horrible bad luck for Tonya that it was ever found.

 
Mario Kart said:
In the end... its probably a good thing Nancy won the silver and not the gold.
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A good thing for Nancy? I think she would have handled everything associated with the Gold very well, as she seemed to handle this whole situation about as well as possible.

Or did you mean something else?

 
dhockster said:
Mario Kart said:
In the end... its probably a good thing Nancy won the silver and not the gold.
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A good thing for Nancy? I think she would have handled everything associated with the Gold very well, as she seemed to handle this whole situation about as well as possible.

Or did you mean something else?
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My gut reaction was, "if she wins gold" then she will be brought up every Olympics for winning gold, the "why me", Tonya, and so on. Interview after interview there would be a question about it. By winning the silver, she was able to ride into the sunset and not be bothered, as much, as if she had won the gold.

 
Das Boot said:
Mario Kart said:
Watched this and back in the day I was a big Tonya Harding fan. Wished things turned out different for her.

What I took away from this show is that Tonya, like she mentioned about Nancy, is that she has some sour grapes too. Sure, she wanted the glitz and glam but was unsure how to get them. Nancy, not a fan of hers, but has handled her life as normal as can be even in this spotlight.

After its all said and done, I don't get the feeling that Tonya had anything to do with the planning of this or even was in on any discussion. What was her motive for doing so? She beat Nancy before and she knew what issues she was going through in 1992. The other guys had much more motive in all of this. One thing that sticks out to me is this though... if Tonya was involved in the planning, she stays with Jeff. She left him nearly right away. To me, that speaks volumes. If she had hung around or stayed married to him... I say she was involved but she didn't do that.

In the end... its probably a good thing Nancy won the silver and not the gold.
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Everyone has to form their own opinion on this one, I think it's highly probably she was in on all of it.

The note in Tonya's handwriting with Kerrigan's practice skating location seems pretty damning... it was horrible bad luck for Tonya that it was ever found.
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It was sad watching Harding claim that it was proven it wasn't her handwriting and then seeing the FBI guy right after completely burying her by saying it WAS proven to be her handwriting. I realized then that Harding is still in some fantasy land.

 
This one was really good.

I don't know if Harding was initially in on the planning of the attack.  Chances are she was, but it would not surprise me at all if her low life husband concocted that plan on his own to try and help Tonya win gold, hoping it would lead to riches for the both of them.

Him and his chubby buddy were just trashy as trash gets.  And rather stupid, too. 

 
Maybe the best part was how the guy who clubbed Nancy couldn't figure out how to get out of the place and crashed through a glass door to escape :wall: :wall: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
ghostguy123 said:
This one was really good.

I don't know if Harding was initially in on the planning of the attack.  Chances are she was, but it would not surprise me at all if her low life husband concocted that plan on his own to try and help Tonya win gold, hoping it would lead to riches for the both of them.

Him and his chubby buddy were just trashy as trash gets.  And rather stupid, too. 
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It would take 5 seconds to realize this wasn't some random act, and I seriously doubt gambling interests would be involved. It's just so damned stupid dumb from the get-go.

Harding clearly was in seething hate and resentment for Kerrigan but I seriously doubt she personally thought she could not win herself.

 
She might have thought the judges would not allow her to win.  After all, skating judges are just the worst. 

Pretty sure after all this they weren't going to allow her to win anyway, and all anyone needed was 2 or 3 brain cells to realize that.  Tonya probably could have skated a robotic perfect routine with a triple lutz every few seconds and still not medal. 

 
I do appreciate the courage of Tonya to tell Nancy to "get over it".........................considering Nancy never made it a point whatsoever to ever mention it, and to this day will not answer questions about it.

 
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