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3rd Round Reversal (1 Viewer)

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I've been commish for several years for a 12 team redraft league that three years ago moved to 3RR and have found it to be very fair. The same 12 guys want to start up a new dynasty league, and I'm wondering if we should use 3RR in the startup draft. FWIW format is 6 pt TDs for all, PPR, pt. per 10 yards rush/rec, pt. per 20 yards passing, lineup requirements of 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, TE, K, D/ST.

Thanks.

 
I've been commish for several years for a 12 team redraft league that three years ago moved to 3RR and have found it to be very fair. The same 12 guys want to start up a new dynasty league, and I'm wondering if we should use 3RR in the startup draft. FWIW format is 6 pt TDs for all, PPR, pt. per 10 yards rush/rec, pt. per 20 yards passing, lineup requirements of 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, TE, K, D/ST. Thanks.
Last season I was in the exact same place that you are in right now. 12 years as commish, switching to a Dynasty format. We used the 3RR for our draft, and with the exception of a few complaints (change = complaints), I was very happy with how it went. There was a lot of trading and jockeying for draft position prior to the draft which created some fun, and I personally feel it is absolutely the most fair way to draft in any format.Good luck!
 
I've been commish for several years for a 12 team redraft league that three years ago moved to 3RR and have found it to be very fair. The same 12 guys want to start up a new dynasty league, and I'm wondering if we should use 3RR in the startup draft. FWIW format is 6 pt TDs for all, PPR, pt. per 10 yards rush/rec, pt. per 20 yards passing, lineup requirements of 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, TE, K, D/ST. Thanks.
I think the best (i.e. fairest to all teams as well as most fun) suggestion is to use an auction and not a draft. Then every team has equal access to all players.Though if you do it, I suggest you require anyone who hasn't done an auction before to do a mock beforehand (you can find mock drafts at fantasyauctioneer.com amongst other places). Owners who haven't auctioned at all would be at a disadvantage that would take them awhile to catch up from in a dynasty league.
 
yes you should. it makes the draft a lot more fair. otherwise the guy picking 1 and 2 have a hug advantage over the guys picking 10,11,12.

for value of those picks.

 
You should have the start-up draft not include the rookies of this year's class. Then for the rookie draft, use the reverse order of the initial dynasty start-up draft. This way, the owner choosing 12th in the start-up auction would benefit by being able to choose first overall in the rookie draft of 2009.

Do not allow any owners to choose the players from this year's draft class (i.e. Crabtree, Stafford, Moreno, etc.).

In the first year, have the rookie draft be serpentine. In future years, the rookie draft should be non-serpentine.

 
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auction is the fairest way to do a start up. completely fair and lots of strategy involved expecially trying to pick players for dynasty purposes. probably the funniest part of a dynasty league besides winning the championship.

 
You should have the start-up draft not include the rookies of this year's class. Then for the rookie draft, use the reverse order of the initial dynasty start-up draft. This way, the owner choosing 12th in the start-up auction would benefit by being able to choose first overall in the rookie draft of 2009.Do not allow any owners to choose the players from this year's draft class (i.e. Crabtree, Stafford, Moreno, etc.).In the first year, have the rookie draft be serpentine. In future years, the rookie draft should be non-serpentine.
IMO, that format greatly favors the 12-10 picks. Think about it, would you rather start off your team with AD, Ronnie Brown, Britt or DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, your pick of the rooks? I don't know about you but I prefer the 12V/1R slot by a lot. But even more so, the 5-7 picks get hammered IMO with choices like Turner, Addai, Maclin. Not a horrible trio I guess, but there is a difference. If I'm joining a league now, it would be an auction. But, if your owners are resistant, slotting can work a few ways. One is to simply randomize and go 3RR. Another is a contest of skill for slots (darts, poker, etc.) A novel approach I liked when a friend suggested it was to have owners bid on their slots by specifying which rookie pick is the lowest they'd take in order to choose their draft slot. If I really want to pick my slot, I state I'd accept the last rookie pick. If I value the rookie picks more, I'd state I want the first rookie pick but I'd get whatever vet slot is leftover. If there's a tie, you randomly select the winner. This is for 3RR with a separate rookie draft.
 
yes you should. it makes the draft a lot more fair. otherwise the guy picking 1 and 2 have a hug advantage over the guys picking 10,11,12.for value of those picks.
In my redraft experience, spots 1 & 2 have no inherent advantage in a normal snake setup. There have been alot of busts lately at the top of the draft which drastically set a team back. In a 3RR it would be even worse for them. Sure by "pick value" it is an advantage, but that is calculated as if everyone knows who will finish first before the season starts.In a dynasty start up the bust effect is pretty much a non issue so a 3RR seems like the better method here.Auction trumps all in fairness though, as mentioned.
 
30 years of fantasy football i still never done an auction draft. I guess time for a change one of these years.

As for 3rr vs snake reversal it really doesn't matter to me. I do my homework and draft a great team no matter what slot or what method. I prefer straight snake especially dynasty. redraft it doesn;t matter as much. it's a one year team anyway.

 
Another vote for the Auction Format.

It's not just better - for Dynasty Leagues, it's absolutely critical.

Every Owner begins with the same amount of resources, and each must allocate those resources based on their individual strategies for short and long-term success.

Every Owner has a shot at every Player. One just has to weigh the opportunity cost of acquiring said Player, and how, in turn that impacts one's blueprint.

It's the overall fairest way to distribute Players in a Dynasty Start-Up.

 
I guess I'm sort of the de facto authority around here on 3RR, and even I'd say that auction is the preferred method for a Dynasty startup.

3RR makes the process more fair, but it still favors a team that gets the first pick. Why should luck of the draw give one owner the best player on the board? Make him pay for the privilege in an auction.

 
I guess I'm sort of the de facto authority around here on 3RR, and even I'd say that auction is the preferred method for a Dynasty startup.3RR makes the process more fair, but it still favors a team that gets the first pick. Why should luck of the draw give one owner the best player on the board? Make him pay for the privilege in an auction.
I have never done an auction format before. How long would it take to do this for a 22-24 man roster though? It seems like it could take an exorbitant amount of time. Can it be done online effectively?
 
I guess I'm sort of the de facto authority around here on 3RR, and even I'd say that auction is the preferred method for a Dynasty startup.3RR makes the process more fair, but it still favors a team that gets the first pick. Why should luck of the draw give one owner the best player on the board? Make him pay for the privilege in an auction.
I have never done an auction format before. How long would it take to do this for a 22-24 man roster though? It seems like it could take an exorbitant amount of time. Can it be done online effectively?
My auction experience for fast online auctions is with fantasyauctioneer.com. In essence the system works like this. Teams take turns nominating players. You have X seconds to submit a player for bid along with your opening bid. If you don't, the cpu selects a player and submits a minimum price bid for you. You control how long the X seconds is. 20-30 seconds is enough.Bidding starts. A counter counts down from Y seconds. If it hits 0 the auction of that player is over. If someone submits a new bid it resets back to Y seconds and starts counting down again. I might go with 15 seconds for the first few players if we have new people... and once everyone is comfortable with the system change it to 10 seconds.With this system there is no reason not to immediately submit your next bid. Waiting for the timer to count all the way down doesn't help you since no matter when you bid, everyone else gets a full timer to submit a higher bid. You're actually better off getting in your bid as fast as you can so someone else won't get that amount in before you.Early bidding takes a little longer as players go for higher amounts so it takes more bids to hit the winning price. But the last half of the auction goes quick, and the last 1/4 of it teams have little money and many players go for the initial bid so take the minimum amount of time.I'll try to remember to check when I get home and see how long our last auction there took and for how many players.
 

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