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How does everyone think Gordon's suspension impacts Cameron?
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4(102) Jordan Cameron, TE, Cleveland (2 Viewers)
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
he's not suspended.
but for arguments sake... IF he is, he'll obviously see an uptick in targets.
Id see CLE going run heavy tho
top dog
Footballguy
More opportunities for sure. But also more coverage. If Hoyer is the QB, he will have a good year. In his limited action, he showed that he is willing to force it to Cameron.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't know.
I anticipate the Browns to be much-more run oriented after breaking away from Norv Turner. The influx of RBs with Tate and West and the Browns signed a FB for the first time in a few years and drafted a guard in the 2nd round so we're going to run the ball to set up the pass as is Mike Shanahan's modis operendi.
Jordon blew up with huge stats in the first two games last year when Gordon was OUT on suspension and kept it up when Brian Hoyer took over as the starter for Weeden but calmed down later when Gordon blew-up but it should be noted that the quarterback became a huge problem later in the 2013 season.
QB musical chairs took over with, Weeden then Cambell then back to Weeden.
I like Hoyer coupled with Cameron and I also like Johnny paired with Cameron two or three times over the bad QB play he was dealing with last year.
I think he will get a boost just on QB, anything more he'd get with a suspension to Gordon is a bonus IMHO.
I like TE Jordon Cameron this season.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
ESPN Cleveland predicts Jordan Cameron will lead the Browns in receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns in 2014.
With Josh Gordon facing a yearlong suspension, Cameron is viewed as the main beneficiary. Cameron set career-highs across the board last season with his 80-917-7 receiving line but could be in for an even bigger season in his contract year. With the Browns expected to be run-oriented, defenses will play one safety near the line of scrimmage, allowing Cameron to run the seams against linebackers and single-high safeties. He's going to gobble up targets as the No. 1 option in the passing game. Cameron is Rotoworld's No. 5 tight end.
Source: ESPN Cleveland
With Josh Gordon facing a yearlong suspension, Cameron is viewed as the main beneficiary. Cameron set career-highs across the board last season with his 80-917-7 receiving line but could be in for an even bigger season in his contract year. With the Browns expected to be run-oriented, defenses will play one safety near the line of scrimmage, allowing Cameron to run the seams against linebackers and single-high safeties. He's going to gobble up targets as the No. 1 option in the passing game. Cameron is Rotoworld's No. 5 tight end.
Source: ESPN Cleveland
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
All good tweets per Browns TE Jordan Cameron.
These are from recent OTAs:
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Nathan Zegura @ NathanZegura 9s
Also have to say, Pro Bowl TE @ JordanCameron looks even better and more polished this year...he is dominating practices in Kyle's offense
Nathan Zegura @ NathanZegura 11s
He looks faster and more fluid as a route runner in 2014.... @ JordanCameron will be the #1 pass catcher for the Browns if JG misses any time
These are from recent OTAs:
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Nathan Zegura @ NathanZegura 9s
Also have to say, Pro Bowl TE @ JordanCameron looks even better and more polished this year...he is dominating practices in Kyle's offense
Nathan Zegura @ NathanZegura 11s
He looks faster and more fluid as a route runner in 2014.... @ JordanCameron will be the #1 pass catcher for the Browns if JG misses any time
lod01
Footballguy
by Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com
(06/06/14) Through the first three weeks of Browns' OTAs, tight end Jordan Cameron "has been the most consistently dominant performer in each practice," reports the team's website. The fourth-year pro "seems to have taken his game to a higher level" and "is showing a better understanding of coverages, which is helping him to find openings deeper downfield."
Cameron, who caught seven touchdowns last year, "looks to be an even more dangerous red-zone target," the report concluded.
(06/06/14) Through the first three weeks of Browns' OTAs, tight end Jordan Cameron "has been the most consistently dominant performer in each practice," reports the team's website. The fourth-year pro "seems to have taken his game to a higher level" and "is showing a better understanding of coverages, which is helping him to find openings deeper downfield."
Cameron, who caught seven touchdowns last year, "looks to be an even more dangerous red-zone target," the report concluded.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Jordan Cameron - TE - Browns
The Browns' official site says Jordan Cameron was "impossible to cover" during offseason practices.
Cameron reportedly showed "improved footwork and explosion in the open field" as he comes off a breakout 80-917-7 line. Losing the ridiculously tight end-friendly Rob Chudzinski/Norv Turner scheme hurts, but there's plenty of reason to believe Cameron can at least repeat his top-5 fantasy finish at tight end. New OC Kyle Shanahan has coaxed career years out of Owen Daniels, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis and Jordan Reed, Cameron will be a target hog thanks to Josh Gordon's suspension and he's entering a walk year.
Source: ClevelandBrowns.com
Jun 30 - 8:57 AM
The Browns' official site says Jordan Cameron was "impossible to cover" during offseason practices.
Cameron reportedly showed "improved footwork and explosion in the open field" as he comes off a breakout 80-917-7 line. Losing the ridiculously tight end-friendly Rob Chudzinski/Norv Turner scheme hurts, but there's plenty of reason to believe Cameron can at least repeat his top-5 fantasy finish at tight end. New OC Kyle Shanahan has coaxed career years out of Owen Daniels, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis and Jordan Reed, Cameron will be a target hog thanks to Josh Gordon's suspension and he's entering a walk year.
Source: ClevelandBrowns.com
Jun 30 - 8:57 AM
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Contract-year TE Jordan Cameron changed his Twitter bio on Wednesday to "Pro Bowl pass catcher for the Browns."
Cameron claims he thought "no one would notice," but they did. Cameron is utilized like Jimmy Graham, lining up most often in the slot and outside. An independent arbitrator ruled Wednesday that Graham is indeed a tight end -- not a wide receiver -- and his lower franchise tag number will stick. Barring a successful appeal by the NFLPA, Cameron may face the same situation in 2015.
Source: Jordan Cameron on Twitter
Why do I feel like Jordan just set himself up for a big fall.
Cameron claims he thought "no one would notice," but they did. Cameron is utilized like Jimmy Graham, lining up most often in the slot and outside. An independent arbitrator ruled Wednesday that Graham is indeed a tight end -- not a wide receiver -- and his lower franchise tag number will stick. Barring a successful appeal by the NFLPA, Cameron may face the same situation in 2015.
Source: Jordan Cameron on Twitter
Why do I feel like Jordan just set himself up for a big fall.
lod01
Footballguy
He's going to dominate again.
This pile of garbage is out of the picture:
It's no coincidence that Cameron's numbers plummeted once signal-caller Jason Campbell took the reins in the second half of the season.
It was obvious on Game Rewind that Campbell ignored receivers who weren't already open in favor of dumpoffs, checkdowns and the occasional bomb to Gordon. It's not in Campbell's overly cautious nature to throw his receivers open or allow his receivers to make contested catches in tight spaces. He doesn't pull the trigger.
This pile of garbage is out of the picture:
It's no coincidence that Cameron's numbers plummeted once signal-caller Jason Campbell took the reins in the second half of the season.
It was obvious on Game Rewind that Campbell ignored receivers who weren't already open in favor of dumpoffs, checkdowns and the occasional bomb to Gordon. It's not in Campbell's overly cautious nature to throw his receivers open or allow his receivers to make contested catches in tight spaces. He doesn't pull the trigger.
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root of all aliai
I love Cameron as a player but I think he's overvalued because of his situation, especially this year. I think he rebounds next year and then is a stud for a few years after that so I like him in dynasty.
Most people have him knocking on the top 3 TE tier and rank him #4 or #5. I have him closer to #10, here's why:
Look at what you need to do to get into the top tier. It's not just talent. Graham, Gronk, and Julius all have future HOF quarterbacks throwing to them. Their teams also have several other weapons in the passing game and solid rushing attacks. A strong QB distributing the ball to multiple targets is great for TE play.
Josh Gordon is gone, the remaining WRs are bad, the QBs are mostly unknown, and they're relying on Ben Tate to run the ball. How well do TEs do in that situation? Defenses are going to key on Cameron and shut him down a lot. The only way Cameron sniffs the top 5 TEs this year is if there's a QB and WR breakout in Cleveland. I don't see any way Cameron is top 5 if the rest of the offense performs as expected.
Most people have him knocking on the top 3 TE tier and rank him #4 or #5. I have him closer to #10, here's why:
Look at what you need to do to get into the top tier. It's not just talent. Graham, Gronk, and Julius all have future HOF quarterbacks throwing to them. Their teams also have several other weapons in the passing game and solid rushing attacks. A strong QB distributing the ball to multiple targets is great for TE play.
Josh Gordon is gone, the remaining WRs are bad, the QBs are mostly unknown, and they're relying on Ben Tate to run the ball. How well do TEs do in that situation? Defenses are going to key on Cameron and shut him down a lot. The only way Cameron sniffs the top 5 TEs this year is if there's a QB and WR breakout in Cleveland. I don't see any way Cameron is top 5 if the rest of the offense performs as expected.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Tough player to really get a read on. He dominated for parts of last year, disappeared at other points. I can see arguments for Gordon being out improving on those numbers or hurting him. As good as he was last year, he was still just slightly ahead of guys that are going much later like Charles Clay. He obviously has a bigger ceiling, but he doesn't necessarily get there. I'm not sure what to make of him.
karmarooster
Footballguy
Weeden/Campbell were worse than Hoyer/Manziel will be. Tate is better than Willis McGahee. It's not exactly the saints or pats offense, but it wasn't last year either. The passing attempts should go down, but Cameron's targets should remain steady or even go up as the main target without Gordon (check his stats last year in the 1st two games without Gordon). And, he's solidified himself as a good, young TE whereas last year he was just a break out candidate. Could it eventually get to a situation where the defense rolls coverage onto Cameron the way the Pats defended Graham last year? Of course, but it would take the personnel to do so, and a coach who's intent on scheming like that ala Bill.
The risks you've pointed to (Cleveland, QBs, etc.) are the reason why he's occasionally 4th after JT... but putting 9 guys above him? That's just silly. There are 3-4 TEs who should get a "Tier 1" number of targets, and that's the reason why there's no chance a Ertz/Green type player outperforms Cameron.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Fewer other receiving options means it will make it easier for teams to focus on shutting a guy like Cameron down. Cameron's two most productive games last year were when Gordon had a monster game. Granted, he did well in Weeks 1 and 2 when Gordon was suspended, but over the course of a 16-game season, the presence of a guy like Gordon benefits everyone around him.
karmarooster
Footballguy
Cameron's two games without Gordon last year prorate to about 112/1600/8. So, I don't see the utility in that argument.
cstu
Footballguy
Gordon hogging 10.6 targets per game did not help Cameron.
Cameron averaged 9.5 targets the first 4 games and 6.5 targets after.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
a. Small sample size.
b. Those were his breakout games. Previously in his NFL career, he had 26-259-1 in 22 NFL games, so teams and defenses weren't on to him yet. He basically came out of nowhere last year Week 1.
6.5 targets a game would give him 104 targets for the season; that is pretty high (would have been 7th for TEs last year).
Also, Cameron's 14 games with Gordon last year would prorate to 75-816-7. I don't know about you, but I'll take that from a TE.
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root of all aliai
Guess I'm in the minority on Cameron this year. Cameron as a clear #1 is bad for him, IMO. I can't think of a TE being elite as the main receiving option without a top QB. Maybe Gonzalez when he was in KC? I don't know if Cameron is Tony Gonzalez though...
It can work for WRs but I haven't seen TEs do it.
It can work for WRs but I haven't seen TEs do it.
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cstu
Footballguy
Todd Christensen with Plunkett.
Vernon Davis with Alex Smith.
Ben Coates with Bledsoe.
Witten with Testaverde.
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Jordan Cameron - TE - Browns
After digesting the first week of camp, ESPN Cleveland says Jordan Cameron "is going to have a bigger year than last season."
If Josh Gordon's suspension stands, Cameron will be the only pass-catcher on the Browns that truly threatens a defense. It's not far-fetched at all to think he can make a leap on last year's 81-917-7 line, and it doesn't matter too much who wins the quarterback battle. In Brian Hoyer's two full games last year, Cameron averaged eight catches for 78.5 yards and scored four touchdowns.
Source: ESPN Cleveland
Jul 31 - 8:37 AM
After digesting the first week of camp, ESPN Cleveland says Jordan Cameron "is going to have a bigger year than last season."
If Josh Gordon's suspension stands, Cameron will be the only pass-catcher on the Browns that truly threatens a defense. It's not far-fetched at all to think he can make a leap on last year's 81-917-7 line, and it doesn't matter too much who wins the quarterback battle. In Brian Hoyer's two full games last year, Cameron averaged eight catches for 78.5 yards and scored four touchdowns.
Source: ESPN Cleveland
Jul 31 - 8:37 AM
suffered a shoulder injury saturday night at a scrimmage... supposedly out for pre-season game #1... day to day
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2151549-jordan-cameron-injury-updates-on-browns-stars-shoulder-and-recovery
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2151549-jordan-cameron-injury-updates-on-browns-stars-shoulder-and-recovery
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Rather Gordon be out there. I think that would help Cameron. Maybe not as many target, but more quality targets. PLus the offense would jsut be a lot better in general, more opportunities.
zamboni
Footballguy
Cameron was a monster the two games Gordon was out last year - Cameron's numbers dropped when much of the passing game went to Gordon.
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nobody but fantasy nerds even knew who cameron heading in to the first two games of the season last year.... so i dont use those games without gordon to predict 2014.
BTW, that guy is just guessing about cameron just like you or I are speculating.... It's kinda funny some guy's opinion (and a lazy one at that) is front page news on rotoworld
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
I think he's saying that NFL teams didn't know about him either and thus didn't game plan for him.
cstu
Footballguy
He tore up the preseason - if us fantasy nerds noticed that I don't believe NFL team missed it.
not on fantasy radar = immaterial. well, last yr in that situation, with gordon out and lol weeden throwing to him, he went 13/105/1 over those 2 games. the hoyer, the unknown qb, came in and he put up 16/157/4 for those 2 games.
just 4 games, but he sure seems plenty capable.
I'm in full panic mode right now... 
i really didnt like what i saw last week from the cleveland qb's.... and this week was even worse... how will cameron produce in an offense that is this inept? he very well may slide back down to low TE1 level production this year
i really didnt like what i saw last week from the cleveland qb's.... and this week was even worse... how will cameron produce in an offense that is this inept? he very well may slide back down to low TE1 level production this year
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(HULK)
(Smash)
As a Skins fan, I can tell you that the Skin's pass D is pretty much a dumpster fire. Cleveland's passing game looks AWFUL at the moment.I'm in full panic mode right now...
zamboni
Footballguy
I wouldn't panic yet, although definitely some concern. Hoyer did look pretty good last year and seemed like he can command the offense. As long as the line holds up, the biggest issue for Cameron is for the Gordon-less WR crew to take some pressure of the coverage Cameron will get.
I don't know which is the dumber decision by the Browns' staff: to let Manziel and Hoyer split first-team reps 50/50 at practice, or to have Gordon run right alongside the 1s in camp and the pre-season.(HULK) said:As a Skins fan, I can tell you that the Skin's pass D is pretty much a dumpster fire. Cleveland's passing game looks AWFUL at the moment.iamkoza said:I'm in full panic mode right now...
It's blatantly obvious from last night's game that neither QB has gotten enough reps with any group to be on the same page as any of the receivers. Well, okay, there's one guy they seem to be connecting with, but it's the guy who probably isn't going to be suiting up for you at all when the games count!
Their entire pre-season "strategy" is just baffling to me. I thought I was stealing Cameron in a draft last weekend at 6.03, but after last night's debacle I'm seriously questioning that.
socrates
Footballguy
While the QB issues are definitely a legitimate concern, I am at least a little concerned by Cameron's performance in last night's exhibition game. The three targets toward Cameron were certainly less than accurate, but I would expect a player of Cameron's ability to have made a better effort, and at least one of those targets appeared to be catchable. Perhaps this was primarily a timing issue, or a lingering effect of Cameron's earlier shoulder issue. The good news is, Cameron should be targeted heavily.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
because they're only 2 games -- I wouldn't want to project anything off 2 games, but I wouldn't throw them out entirely, either.
I see people making some kind of case for cameron based on gordon not being there in weeks 1 + 2
in weeks 1 + 2 cameron got 20 targets and 1 td --- excellent production.
when gordon returned in weeks 3 + 4, siphoning 28 targets, cameron got 23 targets and 4 td ---- even better production on those 2 games, so why would I believe gordon has any impact based on 2 games?
unfortunately for cameron owners and buyers, he picked 2 up more td over his final 11 games, along with only 2 70+ yard games, putting up scott chandler production, while running more routes than any te in the league.
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Warpig
Footballguy
While I agree that the QB play was a joke...I was more concerned with his drops. He had at least two of those passes that looked catchable and it looked like he just didn't care. And the first one was almost as if he pushed it away from him. Hopefully it doesn't become a mental thing with him. Maybe he's playing not to get hurt for that big payday supposedly coming his way?
Terpman22
Footballguy
Well then. Word up.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Well, Gordon's gone for the year. Now comes the age old question of whether a stud pass catcher benefits from having another stud on the field with him, or he suffers from it.
In the red corner, we have the two ghosts: Ghost Rider & ghostguy:
In the red corner, we have the two ghosts: Ghost Rider & ghostguy:
And in the blue corner, we have cstu & zamboni:
I'm in the "benefit Cameron" camp. Of course there are other variables involved, but it'll be fun to see how this turns out.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Didn't Jordan's numbers go down once Gordon was back after a couple of weeks? Can't get a read on how he'll do this season. If I had to guess, I'd say Cameron's projections are a little optimistic.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Good news for Cameron. Targets definitely go up.
Not good for Hoyer/Manziel, and definitely not good for the Browns in general, but Cameron should be an FF stud this year.
Not good for Hoyer/Manziel, and definitely not good for the Browns in general, but Cameron should be an FF stud this year.
#1 redzone target. Ton of targets. Talented player.
Even if the Browns suck (they will), and even if Cameron is double-covered a lot (he will be), gotta think he's going to get his and be a stud TE this year. I've doubled down and own him in both my leagues. Owned him last year as well. Really enjoy watching him play and agree that Gordon hurt Cameron last year as Gordon was force-fed the ball a ton. Cameron didn't stop being productive through his own fault, he just wasn't targeted as often once Gordon came back.
Even if the Browns suck (they will), and even if Cameron is double-covered a lot (he will be), gotta think he's going to get his and be a stud TE this year. I've doubled down and own him in both my leagues. Owned him last year as well. Really enjoy watching him play and agree that Gordon hurt Cameron last year as Gordon was force-fed the ball a ton. Cameron didn't stop being productive through his own fault, he just wasn't targeted as often once Gordon came back.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
jordan opened the year with 2 good games where gordon didn't play, then followed those up with 2 incredible games when gordon did play and was targeted heavily.
after that he fell off a cliff.
I didn't even keep him for 3 bux.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
In other words, Cameron was a mega-stud while Hoyer was QB.Well, guess who the Browns named as their starting QB last week. Hoyer has a bigger man-crush on Cameron than I do.
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