What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

49ers will have a top 10 offense this year (1 Viewer)

shadyridr

shadyridr

Footballguy
:banned: Ok maybe not a statement but more of a prediction. But look at their offense and you see 2 very good TEs (Johnson, Davis), 2 solid WRs (Bryant, Battle), a slash type that you can use to exploit weak matchups (Robinson), a talented RB (Gore), and a MUCH improved line with a left side of the line that can compete with most teams (Jennings, Allen) and some young talented lineman (Baas, Heitman). Their defense is atrocious so they will be in a ton of shootouts and they have a very weak schedule including playing Arizona and STL twice.

So what's missing? Obviously the QB and thats the whole key. If Alex Smith plays anything close to a #1 pick than they are a lock to be a top 10 offense IMO. I think Smith looked MUCH better in preseason than he did last year and I have a feeling has a solid year this year and ends up being owned in all leagues as a QB2.

And yes I am a 49ers fan so you can take this with a grain of salt but I just think their offense is gonna be exciting to watch this year and Im looking forward to it.

 
Every now and then, an offense surprises, that we gave no chance. I remember the season not too long ago where everyone thought the Chargers would be crap under Brees, and they surprised. Why not the 49rs, under Norv? This thread should not be deleted.

 
shadyridr said:
Wow there really are a bunch of tools on this website.
Click to expand...
not that I think this guys is a "tool" but I will say the addition of ...um... not so well thought out posters of a questionable FF inteligence make me less concerned when I hear of one of my league mates stumbling on to this site ;-)
 
I guess this is possible but just because they have weapons or "depth" does not mean that each player will contribute. If you compare them to better offenses around the league, you'll get a better understanding...

49ers vs Colts

QB: Smith < Manning

RB1: Gore = Rhodes

WR1: Bryant < Harrison

WR2: Battle < Wayne

TE: Davis = Clark

Gore needs to stay healthy before he is considered better than Rhodes.

49ers vs Broncos

QB: Smith < Plummer

RB1: Gore < T Bell / M Bell

WR1: Bryant < Smith

WR2: Battle < Walker

TE: Davis = Scheffler

49ers vs Bengals

QB: Smith < Palmer

RB1: Gore < Johnson

WR1: Bryant < Johnson

WR2: Battle < Houshmandzadeh

TE: Davis > Kelly

I'll give Davis over Reggie Kelly even though I think Reggie will be a top 12 TE this season.

Maybe I am a bit low on Gore, but he needs to complete a full season before he is considered over some other elite RBs.

 
Im a 9er fan, but top 10 is a *TAD* optimistic.

Dont get me wrong, I hope youre right, but I just dont see it.

 
I can see shady's point only from the perspective that they have no Defense and will be on the field a lot. In addition, compared to last year, they have no where to go but up. I agree that Smith is not going to scare anybody and that's the problem. If the O-line can't give him time, it'll be a repeat of last year.

As for the WRs, I like Battle, but Bryant as I recall was hot and cold. As for Gore, this will be the first year carrying the load, so I'll be curious to see what happens. I think they can put points on the board, but I just can't see top 10 this year. Maybe top 15, but not top 10...

To clarify my point of view, here is who I think will be top 10 this year:

Indianapolis
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Carolina
St. Louis
Kansas City
Seattle
San Diego
Dallas or Detroit (Both teams have more upside than SF in my opinion)
 
As a rabid 49ers fan I would say that if they finished even in the middle of the pack offensively I'd be grateful for the improvement.

 
id be shocked if they finish top 10 in the nfc. The line sucks, they only have one viable option at wr, and alex smith put up horrendous #s last year.

 
shadyridr said:
:banned: Ok maybe not a statement but more of a prediction. But look at their offense and you see 2 very good TEs (Johnson, Davis), 2 solid WRs (Bryant, Battle), a slash type that you can use to exploit weak matchups (Robinson), a talented RB (Gore), and a MUCH improved line with a left side of the line that can compete with most teams (Jennings, Allen) and some young talented lineman (Baas, Heitman). Their defense is atrocious so they will be in a ton of shootouts and they have a very weak schedule including playing Arizona and STL twice.So what's missing? Obviously the QB and thats the whole key. If Alex Smith plays anything close to a #1 pick than they are a lock to be a top 10 offense IMO. I think Smith looked MUCH better in preseason than he did last year and I have a feeling has a solid year this year and ends up being owned in all leagues as a QB2.And yes I am a 49ers fan so you can take this with a grain of salt but I just think their offense is gonna be exciting to watch this year and Im looking forward to it.
Click to expand...
Wanna be in my league next year?
 
What does "top 10" mean in the NFL?

"Top 10" in the graduating class of a major university is truly elite where you have, what, 5000 graduating at once?

But "top 10" when it comes to just 32 clubs...

If you are 10th out of 32, that means almost a third of all clubs are better than you. Is that really meaningful?

 
Saint said:
I can see shady's point only from the perspective that they have no Defense and will be on the field a lot. In addition, compared to last year, they have no where to go but up. I agree that Smith is not going to scare anybody and that's the problem. If the O-line can't give him time, it'll be a repeat of last year.

As for the WRs, I like Battle, but Bryant as I recall was hot and cold. As for Gore, this will be the first year carrying the load, so I'll be curious to see what happens. I think they can put points on the board, but I just can't see top 10 this year. Maybe top 15, but not top 10...

To clarify my point of view, here is who I think will be top 10 this year:

Indianapolis

Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Carolina
St. Louis
Kansas City
Seattle
San Diego
Dallas or Detroit (Both teams have more upside than SF in my opinion)
Click to expand...
Detroit has Martz , but where ekse did they improve offensively ..Kitna = Big question mark ( Both back ups are average )

Kevin Jones = Same as last season ( very average RB )

WR = No better than last tseason .

I see nothing that leads me to think they might be a powerful offense .

 
Don't discount San Fran, Detroit, or Washington. Teams hire and pay big bucks to the offensive coordinators who have established track records for a reason. Those guys have a lot of say in who their personnel will be and who they get to mold the offense arround.

Mike Martz took over as OC for a team that was one of the league's worst offenses, and a year later they were arguably the greatest offense of all-time. Obviously players played a large part in that, but give a lot of credit to him as well. Same goes for Al Saunders and Norv Turner. Those guys have established track records of success (LOTS of success) and people shouldn't immediately write off these teams simply because "they were bad last year". If we've learned anything from FF, it's that history doesn't always repeat itself from year-to-year.

Some people rank players and teams differently just for the sake of being different. But in this case, I say :thumbup: for going against the grain with a basis in logic behind it.

 
I'm definately detecting a buzz around SF - something I hasven't felt about them in a while. They are definately a team on the upswing.

While I think top 10 might be a tad ambitious, they should be much better than last year, and SF is not a complete fantasy wasteland.

 
In my opinion, and I could be wrong, the 49ers do not have a top ten QB or a top ten RB or a top ten OL or a top ten WR corps. They might have a top ten group of TEs, but they might not.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
In my opinion, and I could be wrong, the 49ers do not have a top ten QB or a top ten RB or a top ten OL or a top ten WR corps. They might have a top ten group of TEs, but they might not.
Click to expand...
You're certainly right about the QB/WR... In terms of receiving TEs, if Johnson is healthy there's no doubt they are top 10. The line and RB both have outside (but legitimate) chances at being top 10.That said, as someone who follows the team closely, I don't see how they put up top 10 overall offense #'s. I would think it's likely they'll climb into the 20's this year, and maybe set themselves up nicely for the year after (and that's only if the line stays healthy... if not it could be another long year)
 
Traders2001 said:
Detroit has Martz , but where ekse did they improve offensively ..Kitna = Big question mark ( Both back ups are average )Kevin Jones = Same as last season ( very average RB )WR = No better than last tseason .I see nothing that leads me to think they might be a powerful offense .
Click to expand...
I disagree here. Mike Martz is definitely an upgrade and with an "established" QB I believe Detroit has more upside. From the Kevin Jones perspective, let's just say we don't know what Kevin Jones can do yet. He has been average since he's been with a team with no vertical field movement, no consistent QB, and a mediocre line. My thoughts are Kitna is definitely an upgrade at QB. Martz has been known for his pass happy offense which stretches the field. This should lead to opening lanes for Jones. All in all, I don't think Smith can do that for SF, which is why I see Detroit above them in the offensive rankings. (Had to bring this back to the point of the thread topic).
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think the Niners could easily put up 500 more yards than they did last year.

Problem is, that would still leave them at #32 overall.

 
Wow.

I'd be astonished to see a top 20 offense.

Hope you are right. :banned:

Thinking about it, the only teams I see them better than right now are the Browns and Jets. Those teams are horrid on O. It would take a major push to move into the 2nd tier of putridness enjoyed by the Vikes, Pack, Titans, Bears, Bills, and Raiders.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Saint said:
I can see shady's point only from the perspective that they have no Defense and will be on the field a lot. In addition, compared to last year, they have no where to go but up. I agree that Smith is not going to scare anybody and that's the problem. If the O-line can't give him time, it'll be a repeat of last year.

As for the WRs, I like Battle, but Bryant as I recall was hot and cold. As for Gore, this will be the first year carrying the load, so I'll be curious to see what happens. I think they can put points on the board, but I just can't see top 10 this year. Maybe top 15, but not top 10...

To clarify my point of view, here is who I think will be top 10 this year:

Indianapolis
Denver
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Carolina
St. Louis
Kansas City
Seattle
San Diego
Dallas or Detroit (Both teams have more upside than SF in my opinion)
Click to expand...
New York football giants down? :thumbdown:
 
My opinion, based on nothing in particular, SF's offense will be greatly improved. Maybe around 20th in yards and a little lower in points.

But based on ADP, I think SF players represent great value. Gore and Bryant look like good targets on draft day.

 
I think the defense is slighlty better, which will hurt the offenses numbers, since there may be a few less blowouts.

The offense should improve some, since last year was putrid. Historically bad. They are bottom quartile at QB & WR, and probably OL. RB about average, maybe. TE slightly above average for this year.

If they manage to have a worse offense this year, coaches need to be fired.

 
I'd be curious what the "experts" think in a SF vs. Buffalo comparison. IMO, bith offenses are improved over last year, but I'm not ready to say Buffalo top ten. After last year, I'd like to improve from 29th to 20th.

Marv and Co. won't say it, but this is a rebuilding year....10 rookies and 22 new players on the roster....

 
Everyone knows the 49ers O will suck. They sucked last year, therefore it's obvious they'll suck this year. Things never change in the NFL.

:rolleyes:

 
wdcrob said:
Everyone knows the 49ers O will suck. They sucked last year, therefore it's obvious they'll suck this year. Things never change in the NFL. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
1) They sucked last year.2) They have no significant upgrades on offense.3) They sucked in the pre-season (no first-half TDs in four games).
 
wdcrob said:
Everyone knows the 49ers O will suck. They sucked last year, therefore it's obvious they'll suck this year. Things never change in the NFL. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Things don't change for change sake though. What has improved so much that it will make them one of the best offenses in the league. V. Davis? A. Bryant? Gore? Nice players and upgrades over last year but upgrading from the worst talent at the skill positions to the 4-5 worst doesn't equate to a top 10 finish. They still have probably the worst starting QB in the league, a bad line, below average wr's, average TE's, a below avg RB. I fail to see the reason for any optimism. Seriously, besides maybe Houston, Titans, Browns, Jets and Saints (and even some of those are debatable) who does SF have an edge over at the skill positions? Will they improve from the worst probably but I wouldn't expect them to go higher than 25th.
 
shadyridr said:
:banned: Ok maybe not a statement but more of a prediction. But look at their offense and you see 2 very good TEs (Johnson, Davis), 2 solid WRs (Bryant, Battle), a slash type that you can use to exploit weak matchups (Robinson), a talented RB (Gore), and a MUCH improved line with a left side of the line that can compete with most teams (Jennings, Allen) and some young talented lineman (Baas, Heitman). Their defense is atrocious so they will be in a ton of shootouts and they have a very weak schedule including playing Arizona and STL twice.So what's missing? Obviously the QB and thats the whole key. If Alex Smith plays anything close to a #1 pick than they are a lock to be a top 10 offense IMO. I think Smith looked MUCH better in preseason than he did last year and I have a feeling has a solid year this year and ends up being owned in all leagues as a QB2.And yes I am a 49ers fan so you can take this with a grain of salt but I just think their offense is gonna be exciting to watch this year and Im looking forward to it.
Click to expand...
I like the way that sounds, unfortunately it also sounds like a lot of IF's for that to happen. I'm a niner local as well, and A.Smith may be the key to their offense, but it's their Defense which will be the biggest factor. They are playing half-hearted and still confused about their basic scheme. 4th week into preseason and they're still toying between the 3-4 and 4-3. They have absolute no pass rush, can't leave their blockers and have too many missed tackles.(1) Niners offense will be lucky to average 25 minutes per game. That alone puts them behind the 8-ball.(2) Shootout? I doubt they can keep up with the scoring. They'll fall behind early and even by double scores, which means other team will run more and kill more of the clock or Niner offense will be forced to call more passing plays against nickel/dime defenses.I see their best chance (game-wise) by running successfully more and try to get as much of the clock as they can, keeping the opponent's offense off the field, opening the passing game, keep scores low enough so that it's only a 1 score difference in the 4th quarter...still that means, that offense isn't going to be a top-10.
 
2nd worst defense in the NFL + Worst passing offense = They suck

It's simple math.

They had to score the most points, were passing most the time, and still put up the worst passing yards per game.

Since then they've upgraded their left side only, this should help, but the guy they're helping in Alex Smith who hasn't proven he can do much of anything at the NFL level yet stats wise. Larry Allen will be 35 in November, what are the odds that he'll last a whole season, and Jonas Jennings is coming off shoulder surgery. Frank Gore has been a good starter for them, and Antonio Bryant is a good WR.

Will they be better, odds are yes, top 10?!? Not bloody likely.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Is this the same offense that took a Rodeo Cowboy and put him at quarterback to run the option last year?

Alex Smith is horrible. The offensive line is horrible. Frank Gore is a tragedy (his injuries at Miami). The receivers are worthless.

However, lets assume all their skill players were crazy good free agent acquisitions, they would still not be a top-10 offense because of their lack of playing time together.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

M
Top 10 percentage? (WARNING: Lots of math talk and poor assumptions)
Replies
9
Views
313
Keith R
Keith R
BobbyLayne
**MNF Lions at 49ers** (+3.5, 50.5) 8:15
10 11 12
Replies
550
Views
10K
Neil Beaufort Zod
Neil Beaufort Zod
Gatorman
How many rookie RBs will you be buying in redraft this year?
Replies
16
Views
581
joey
joey

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top