7 y/o sole survivor in plane crash (1 Viewer)

[Joe T]

Oh and

 

[tri-man 47]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

 

[comfortably numb]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

As someone who was at 1 time heavily invested in scripture. My 2 cents

The "blame" is often acknowledged that even in a bad situation you have faith that god will use that situation for his glory.

This doesn't mean you jump up and down and praise jesus when a man is murdered or a plane crashes.

You would just basically look to find any positive to eventually give god glory for working it into a situation for his good.

A story in the bible....Joesph was sold into slavery by his brothers. Some effed up thing to do I tell ya...

Well Joseph ends up becoming a playa with lots of swag while the world is going to crap.

FF years later, Joseph is reunited with his brothers and hooks them all up.

God used that situation for his glory.

Doesn't mean Joesph was excited when his brothers dissed him it just means that was Gods plan to use that situation for his glory.

Curly is looking at this situation and saying god will make something good of the 7 y/o life.

That is Curly's faith.

This 7 year old could become a mass murderer and murder Curly one day for all we know.

But people of faith will look to their faith to make sense of this somehow and use it for an attempt to praise god

 

[Fat Nick]

Ctrl + F search for "Plane" shows that the word "Plane was used 4 times in pages 2 and 3. Once was my post complaining about a lack of Plane Crash conversation....Meanwhile, the word "God" shows up 27 times on page 3 alone.

Please change the topic title to "God saves 7 y/o...or does he?"

 

[matuski]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

This explanation seems to be saying the family deserved to die, but we don't know if the child deserved to live. How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

 

[Harry Manback]

God nodded off as the plane went down, but woke up in time to save her.

Thank the lord! He works in mysterious ways.

Just the other day he allowed me to get TWO double cheeseburgers when I only ordered one! Hallelujah!

 

[Harry Manback]

Thank God for drowning my uncle.

Wow. Just when I thought I've seen all the low blows on anonymous message boards, you take the prize on this. To actually use a real life very personal tragedy to me to insult and mock?? I have to question if you have an ounce of being a human being inside you regardless of being able to hide being a user name. Wow.

Are you insinuating God made him to be not a human?

He was made in Gods image and is acting accordingly, no? Or is that only when it's convenient?

 

[Harry Manback]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

Who said it is not okay to blame God for the bad? People do this all the time. I don't see anyone saying it is okay to do one, but not the other.

People are always quick to praise God for saving the girl, but not so quick to point out had he not downed the plane she wouldn't be in need of saving.

 

[Fat Nick]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

Who said it is not okay to blame God for the bad? People do this all the time. I don't see anyone saying it is okay to do one, but not the other.

People are always quick to praise God for saving the girl, but not so quick to point out had he not downed the plane she wouldn't be in need of saving.

If you can't beat them....

I get what you're trying to say, but maybe the plane had to be downed or else everyone would've been in a horriffic car accident the next day, which would've killed 3 more people in another car...Or maybe the plane would have crashed into a house...Or maybe the one girl who was saved will go on to cure cancer and save millions...Or maybe there is no God and that's just how #### happened...Or maybe "It's all part of God's mysterious plan."

Religious woulda-coulda-shoulda debates...

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Locally: A fire in an apartment complex yesterday killed one woman BUT 18 others made it out safely.

Screw that woman in particular.

 

[matuski]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

 

[comfortably numb]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

In fairness, no response will be reasonably satisfactory for your liking.

 

[AAABatteries]

Not gonna go beyond this down the path of religion,

Too bad you didn't stick to this.

 

[matuski]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

In fairness, no response will be reasonably satisfactory for your liking.

This has been the case so far in my life with people attempting to explain religious beliefs.

Shame on me perhaps, but I still assume people have thought things through when they say/post them...

So whether or not it works for me, surely he or someone here that agrees with him on this should be able to make a response clarifying? Instead the standard response seems to be to take offense that someone would dare ask such basic questions

 

[matuski]

Not gonna go beyond this down the path of religion,

Too bad you didn't stick to this.

yep.. got sucked in.

 

[comfortably numb]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

In fairness, no response will be reasonably satisfactory for your liking.

This has been the case so far in my life with people attempting to explain religious beliefs.

Shame on me perhaps, but I still assume people have thought things through when they say/post them...

So whether or not it works for me, surely he or someone here that agrees with him on this should be able to make a response clarifying? Instead the standard response seems to be to take offense that someone would dare ask such basic questions

Scripture says "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen"

Any explanation is rooted and grounded in that faith. Faith in things unseen and hoped for.

In their minds people with faith can understand this, people without it, will not.

You're never gonna get an answer that is reasonably satisfactory just as they will never get a reason from you for anything to sway them from their faith.

 

[matuski]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

In fairness, no response will be reasonably satisfactory for your liking.

This has been the case so far in my life with people attempting to explain religious beliefs.

Shame on me perhaps, but I still assume people have thought things through when they say/post them...

So whether or not it works for me, surely he or someone here that agrees with him on this should be able to make a response clarifying? Instead the standard response seems to be to take offense that someone would dare ask such basic questions

Scripture says "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen"

Any explanation is rooted and grounded in that faith. Faith in things unseen and hoped for.

In their minds people with faith can understand this, people without it, will not.

You're never gonna get an answer that is reasonably satisfactory just as they will never get a reason from you for anything to sway them from their faith.

I understand this perfectly well.

You seem to be assuming I am trying to sway him from his faith? I'm not - I am asking him to break it down to a place that makes sense.

He posited the question himself (bolded) - I'm wondering what the answer is.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Ground your explanation in faith all you want.. then put it out there - how you determine when you do or don't thank your god for good things when they can happen to bad people. [/SIZE]

 

[shadyridr]

She used the wrong choice of words. Can we move on now. Jeez

 

[popsecret]

Matuski doesn't get paid to explore the internet looking for people to mock just because of their beliefs, it is actually just a sadistic hobby he does for free.

 

[comfortably numb]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

In fairness, no response will be reasonably satisfactory for your liking.

This has been the case so far in my life with people attempting to explain religious beliefs.

Shame on me perhaps, but I still assume people have thought things through when they say/post them...

So whether or not it works for me, surely he or someone here that agrees with him on this should be able to make a response clarifying? Instead the standard response seems to be to take offense that someone would dare ask such basic questions

Scripture says "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen"

Any explanation is rooted and grounded in that faith. Faith in things unseen and hoped for.

In their minds people with faith can understand this, people without it, will not.

You're never gonna get an answer that is reasonably satisfactory just as they will never get a reason from you for anything to sway them from their faith.

I understand this perfectly well.

You seem to be assuming I am trying to sway him from his faith? I'm not - I am asking him to break it down to a place that makes sense.

He posited the question himself (bolded) - I'm wondering what the answer is.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Ground your explanation in faith all you want.. then put it out there - how you determine when you do or don't thank your god for good things when they can happen to bad people. [/SIZE]

Everyone is "bad" and god says to give him thanks in all things?

 

[Fennis]

She used the wrong choice of words. Can we move on now. Jeez

why did you have to bring jesus in to this?

 

[comfortably numb]

She used the wrong choice of words. Can we move on now. Jeez

why did you have to bring jesus in to this?

You're both going to hell as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fennis]

She used the wrong choice of words. Can we move on now. Jeez

why did you have to bring jesus in to this?

You're both going to hell as far as I'm concerned.

There was a fence that divided Heaven from Hell. One day God notices that the devil's side is in pretty bad shape. It is falling down, badly in need of paint, weeds growing up around it, etc.

So, God hollers over the fence, "Hey Satan, why don't you fix up your side of the fence?"

Satan hollers back, "Why don't you mind your own business."

So God says, "I'll hire a lawyer and sue you if you don't."

The devil replies, "Yeah, right. Where are YOU going to find a lawyer?"

 

[shadyridr]

She used the wrong choice of words. Can we move on now. Jeez

why did you have to bring jesus in to this?

####### it

 

[tri-man 47]

I can see being upset over the way some people have responded to this thread and hopefully some of it is trolling yet none of the more religious users have come out and answered my honest question:

Why is it ok to thank God for the good but not "blame" God for the bad?

I'll offer one attempt at an answer: We were all born into sin (original sin, or in my Calvinist upbringing: total depravity), and none of us are deserving of good. So when we see acts of God's love, grace, or compassion, we give thanks. The question is often asked, 'why do bad things happen to good people?' Theologically, though, it's the reverse: 'why do good things happen to bad people?' I hope that helps, Billy.

How do we know something good (if you want to call surviving a crash that kills your family good) didn't happen to a bad person here?

ETA - how do you ever know if you should thank a god for something good happening if good things happen to bad people?

Yet again.. perfectly straight forward question about a religious position stated - no chance of a real response.

Well, be a little patient here! I pop in now and then during my work day and try to follow up when I can.

Both of your questions ask how we can "know." But we cannot know with certainty how God interacts with this world ...these are matters of individual belief and faith. We try to express things as best we can, and we try to build our understanding. As I stated, we are all "bad" people in that we are born into sin ..we all have an inclination to sin. That does not mean we all run around doing stupid stuff or acting badly ...it means we all fall short of the perfection of God. When we do good, or when good things happen, many attribute that to God and give thanks, as I said before.

 

[Joe T]

Not gonna go beyond this down the path of religion,

Too bad you didn't stick to this.

yep.. Dominated the thread

Fixed