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9/11 memorial to cost $60 million a year to operate (1 Viewer)

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Iconic Ground Zero photo was nearly excluded from museum for being too 'rah-rah' American
  • By MELISSA KLEIN
  • Last Updated: 5:47 AM, July 28, 2013
  • Posted: 12:03 AM, July 28, 2013
This iconic picture of firefighters raising the stars and stripes in the rubble of Ground Zero was nearly excluded from the 9/11 Memorial Museum — because it was “rah-rah” American, a new book says.

Michael Shulan, the museum’s creative director, was among staffers who considered the Tom Franklin photograph too kitschy and “rah-rah America,” according to “Battle for Ground Zero” (St. Martin’s Press) by Elizabeth Greenspan, out next month.

“I really believe that the way America will look best, the way we can really do best, is to not be Americans so vigilantly and so vehemently,” Shulan said.

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AP / Copyright 2001, The Record / Thomas E. Franklin
U.S.EH? This iconic Ground Zero image was seen as too “vehemently” American by some 9/11 Museum staffers.
Shulan had worked on a popular post-9/11 photography exhibit called “Here is New York” in Soho when he was hired by Alice Greenwald, director of the museum, for his “unique approach.”

Eventually, chief curator Jan Ramirez proposed a compromise, Greenspan writes. The Franklin shot was minimized in favor of three different photos via three different angles of the flag-raising scene.

“Several images undercut the myth of ‘one iconic moment,’ Ramirez said, and suggest instead an event from multiple points of view, like the attacks more broadly,” the book says.

“Shulan didn’t like three photographs more than he liked one, but he went along with it.”

Shulan told The Post he didn’t know that the way Greenspan described the discussion about the photographs “is the way that I would have.”

“My concern, as it always was, is that we not reduce [9/11] down to something that was too simple, and in its simplicity would actually distort the complexity of the event, the meaning of the event,” he said.

Shulan was living in Soho on Sept. 11, 2011. He helped organize the “Here is New York” exhibit shortly after the attack, and it grew to include thousands of photographs taken by professionals and ordinary New Yorkers. The collection was later donated to the New-York Historical Society.

The photograph wasn’t the only item officials and family members argued over. Early on, it was decided that no human remains or photos of body parts be included in the museum. Dust from the collapse of the Towers will be on display, “but only dust which has been tested and determined not to contain remains,” Greenspan writes.

However, it was nearly impossible to determine if one artifact — called “the composite” — followed that rule. Three feet tall and 15 tons, the composite contains about four or five building stories compressed by pressure and heat into one solid block, with bits of paper and the edges of filing cabinets poking out of the surface.

The museum tested the outside of the composite and found it negative for DNA. But they couldn’t test inside it without the risk of destroying it. Eventually, despite the uncertainty and over the objections of some 9/11 family members, the piece was included.
 
I was able to visit the memorial earlier this month. It's really well done and my wife and I both got pretty emotional walking around and reading the names.

For those not from the area, I suppose I can understand the lack of perspective on what that place means to people who live and work nearby. Many people know someone who lost a coworker or loved one if they didn't lose one themselves. Rest assured you're not obligated to visit the place if you so choose, but don't discount the importance of a proper memorial for those left behind to visit, remember and grieve. Many of the victims weren't recovered at all; others were only identified by a severed foot or hand. Essentially that area is a huge burial ground for almost 3,000 people; thus it is sacred ground. IMO the scope and scale of the memorial & museum is appropriate considering the significance of the attack and number of lives lost. To say that future generations "won't care anymore" is a pretty good argument for why it should exist.

The memorial itself has controlled access now because it is surrounded by active construction sites. There is a "suggested" donation to reserve a pass, but no obligation to pay anything. Once the museum and the new WTC towers are completed, the memorial will be an open space for pedestrians 24/7.

 
I've always gotten the impression that memorial building has become a contest between women wailing and tearing their hair and clothes.

Whatever happened to solemnity, simplicity and taste in memorializing the dead?

 
$60MM per year is roughly equivalent to operating an F/A 18 for 3,000 hours. Average pilot probably flies 500 hours per year... so it's the same as operating a 6 F/A 18's for a year. Compare to $112MM to operate the Blue Angels every year.

 
For those not from the area, I suppose I can understand the lack of perspective on what that place means to people who live and work nearby.
You completely underestimate the perspective of the normal American who isn't located in NY, NY.

 
For those not from the area, I suppose I can understand the lack of perspective on what that place means to people who live and work nearby.
You completely underestimate the perspective of the normal American who isn't located in NY, NY.
Would it mean less with a less expensive memorial?
The winning design was approved and built. Then they realize it costs a fortune to run. Whoops. One way or another it will be funded, probably from a combination of private and public funding. Considering all the stupid crap our taxes pay for, I don't really see the outrage here. In 20 years it will cost $300M/yr, but the TSA monkeys will be replaced by robots to scan our luggage at the airport. Efficiency. :thumbup:

 
What is the main cost driver? Security?
According to the article, $12M for security, $4.5-$5M to run the fountains, and the foundation didn't respond to inquiries about the rest. :unsure: The entire complex has been a cluster#### of delays, redesigns and squabbles over money. We're 12 years and counting since the attack with just the memorial done. The main tower is close to completion, and it's pretty damn impressive up close. The new train station is going to be a game changer too.

 
For those not from the area, I suppose I can understand the lack of perspective on what that place means to people who live and work nearby.
You completely underestimate the perspective of the normal American who isn't located in NY, NY.
Would it mean less with a less expensive memorial?
No, but then again having just visited the Mall in DC I was tremendously moved by the Korean and Vietnam memorials.

 
The original article stated they intended to charge $12 per person. Today it is $25. Hopefully that will cover more of the costs.

 
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how does it cost $5 mill to run a fountain? I can understand a high upfront cost to design and build it but can't understand the reason for a high maintenance cost...For $2 mill / year I'll skim out whatever junk falls in and learn how to maintain the pumps that operate it....

 
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how does it cost $5 mill to run a fountain? I can understand a high upfront cost to design and build it but can't understand the reason for a high maintenance cost...For $2 mill / year I'll skim out whatever junk falls in and learn how to maintain the pumps that operate it....
Now imagine that that fountain was thousands of times the size of any fountain you've ever encountered... ;)

 
The original article stated they intended to charge $12 per person. Today it is $25. Hopefully that will cover more of the costs.
I thought I saw an article that included a price closer to $40. Even $25 seems too much.

If I was in New York, I'd go see the memorial if free or close to it, but not if they charge $25 for it. Maybe I'm just spoiled living in dc :shrug:

 

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