9-year-old girl accidentally kills instructor with uzi (1 Viewer)

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Take a rifle into the woods and kill a deer and nobody blinks an eye.

Take a pair of pliers and a bag of bread crumbs to the duck pond at the city park and people lose their minds.

 

[bostonfred]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

 

[grateful zed]

look on the bright side, at least lawn darts have been banned.

 

[Otis]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

It's a really weird run, right?

 

[bostonfred]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

It's a really weird run, right?

I can't help but agree.

 

[Otis]

HuntingGuys: serious question, why is it important to you that your son share your passion for killing animals for sport? I get that you want to bond and have a tradition and all, but how bout baseball, or legos or something?

 

[El Floppo]

Or fishing.... oh, wait

 

[bostonfred]

Maybe you could take your child out on a beautiful lake, soak in a few rays, feed the local wildlife, then jam a barbed wire spike through their face, drag them by their bleeding cheek while they fight and cheer as they struggle, throw them on your boat while they suffocate, and as you enjoy their death throes, take a quick measurement and decide whether they're worth keeping or throwing back in the water in the name of sport.

Nope, need something more humane. Let's not sit around waiting too long, though, let's just trick them as cruelly as possible. We can take the urine of a female animal in heat and trick the men into thinking they're about to get laid. Then instead of using a high powered rifle to kill them relatively quickly, let's use an antiquated weapon that will only wound the animal, shoot it with a bow and arrow and then saunter over to its sounded body and bring a large knife to slit the thing's throat.

But if you don't like those options, you have your second amendment right to just get an Uzi and stay shooting animals in the woods. Because what the ####### ####.

 

[Politician Spock]

The McDouble is a $1.00. How many of those can you get for the price of your gun + ammo?

McDonadls around me have gone "fast casual", so the cops will probably arrive before your McDoubles are ready after ordering them at gun point.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Maybe you could take your child out on a beautiful lake, soak in a few rays, feed the local wildlife, then jam a barbed wire spike through their face, drag them by their bleeding cheek while they fight and cheer as they struggle, throw them on your boat while they suffocate, and as you enjoy their death throes, take a quick measurement and decide whether they're worth keeping or throwing back in the water in the name of sport.

Nope, need something more humane. Let's not sit around waiting too long, though, let's just trick them as cruelly as possible. We can take the urine of a female animal in heat and trick the men into thinking they're about to get laid. Then instead of using a high powered rifle to kill them relatively quickly, let's use an antiquated weapon that will only wound the animal, shoot it with a bow and arrow and then saunter over to its sounded body and bring a large knife to slit the thing's throat.

But if you don't like those options, you have your second amendment right to just get an Uzi and stay shooting animals in the woods. Because what the ####### ####.

Were you crying as you typed all this?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Maybe you could take your child out on a beautiful lake, soak in a few rays, feed the local wildlife, then jam a barbed wire spike through their face, drag them by their bleeding cheek while they fight and cheer as they struggle, throw them on your boat while they suffocate, and as you enjoy their death throes, take a quick measurement and decide whether they're worth keeping or throwing back in the water in the name of sport.

Nope, need something more humane. Let's not sit around waiting too long, though, let's just trick them as cruelly as possible. We can take the urine of a female animal in heat and trick the men into thinking they're about to get laid. Then instead of using a high powered rifle to kill them relatively quickly, let's use an antiquated weapon that will only wound the animal, shoot it with a bow and arrow and then saunter over to its sounded body and bring a large knife to slit the thing's throat.

But if you don't like those options, you have your second amendment right to just get an Uzi and stay shooting animals in the woods. Because what the ####### ####.

Were you crying as you typed all this?

You obviously aren't thinking when you type your crap. Wanna-be tough guy.

 

[Zow]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Cost

 

[MaxThreshold]

Maybe you could take your child out on a beautiful lake, soak in a few rays, feed the local wildlife, then jam a barbed wire spike through their face, drag them by their bleeding cheek while they fight and cheer as they struggle, throw them on your boat while they suffocate, and as you enjoy their death throes, take a quick measurement and decide whether they're worth keeping or throwing back in the water in the name of sport.

Nope, need something more humane. Let's not sit around waiting too long, though, let's just trick them as cruelly as possible. We can take the urine of a female animal in heat and trick the men into thinking they're about to get laid. Then instead of using a high powered rifle to kill them relatively quickly, let's use an antiquated weapon that will only wound the animal, shoot it with a bow and arrow and then saunter over to its sounded body and bring a large knife to slit the thing's throat.

But if you don't like those options, you have your second amendment right to just get an Uzi and stay shooting animals in the woods. Because what the ####### ####.

Were you crying as you typed all this?

You obviously aren't thinking when you type your crap. Wanna-be tough guy.

What are you talking about? Can you make sense at least ONCE in your time here on the boards?

 

[timschochet]

I've never cared about hunting, but I've always wanted to try fresh meat.

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Cost

BOOM!

There goes that theory out the window.

 

[Zow]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Cost

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

Guy is batting 1.000 on political issues these days.

 

[CurlyNight]

Wow. I had never heard of a child legally being able to fire a real firearm. At that age, we were given nerf guns to fire. This is just plain stupid even if it is legal in that state. I'm sure that girl feels just grand having shot and witnessed the death of her instructor from that gun she fired regardless of being told 100 times it was an accident. Just when you thought you have heard of all kinds of crazy things people think are ok, one comes up that you never imagined!

 

[TxBuckeye]

Just when you thought you have heard of all kinds of crazy things people think are ok, one comes up that you never imagined!

Not even remotely hard to imagine. Probably several posters on this board alone that would let their kids do it.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

Absolutely. Cost will be different for everyone but it is significantly cheaper for me. I go goose/duck hunting a few weekends a year.

Gun: $250 about 15 years ago

Ammo: $50ish/year that is tied directly to the amount of meat

License: $30/year

Gas: $25 per weekend

Clothing is irrelevant; no requirements for bird hunting. I have plenty of warm clothing from living in Canada. And the temps are rarely below freezing anyways.

4.5 CF freezer that I'd have any way so the cost is irrelevant.

Not sure where you get opportunity costs from. It's a fall weekend or two that I wouldn't be doing a damn thing on anyways.

I'll come home with about 50-60 goose breasts (1 breast off a Canada Goose feeds two of us) and a few dozen ducks on an average weekend. Turn that into a crapload of jerky, stews, meat pies, etc. and the cost isn't close. I don't have to buy meat all winter (i do but that is just to vary the diet).

I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I absolutely do. The shooting, working with my dog, hanging out with the guys, etc. but the cost savings is definitely a factor along with really liking the meat. I don't 'like' killing but my meat is getting killed one way or another so I don't feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't do it if I wasn't going to eat it.

I don't deer hunt. Went a bunch with my dad when I was young and just didn't enjoy it. But again, the cost savings are there for a lot people.

 

[Guest]

Wow, this thread has changed direction a couple of times. From SECOND AMENDMENT!!! to bashing hunting.

Sorry, without hunters there would be very little wildlife and habitat to enjoy.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

Guy is batting 1.000 on political issues these days.

He even came around on Tiger, it like an older, wiser Otis is appearing before our very eyes.

 

[Sinn Fein]

HuntingGuys: serious question, why is it important to you that your son share your passion for killing animals for sport? I get that you want to bond and have a tradition and all, but how bout baseball, or legos or something?

Why do you think they want to shoot baseballs or legos?

 

[jonessed]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.

I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

 

[drummer]

Lets go hunt cows!

 

[Limp Ditka]

Gotta say, Otis is basically one hundred percent right about everything these days.

Guy is batting 1.000 on political issues these days.

He even came around on Tiger, it like an older, wiser Otis is appearing before our very eyes.

Find him having 5 figures of house money, for an online casino, and we'll be right back to square one

 

[Zow]

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

Absolutely. Cost will be different for everyone but it is significantly cheaper for me. I go goose/duck hunting a few weekends a year.

Gun: $250 about 15 years ago

Ammo: $50ish/year that is tied directly to the amount of meat

License: $30/year

Gas: $25 per weekend

Clothing is irrelevant; no requirements for bird hunting. I have plenty of warm clothing from living in Canada. And the temps are rarely below freezing anyways.

4.5 CF freezer that I'd have any way so the cost is irrelevant.

Not sure where you get opportunity costs from. It's a fall weekend or two that I wouldn't be doing a damn thing on anyways.

I'll come home with about 50-60 goose breasts (1 breast off a Canada Goose feeds two of us) and a few dozen ducks on an average weekend. Turn that into a crapload of jerky, stews, meat pies, etc. and the cost isn't close. I don't have to buy meat all winter (i do but that is just to vary the diet).

I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I absolutely do. The shooting, working with my dog, hanging out with the guys, etc. but the cost savings is definitely a factor along with really liking the meat. I don't 'like' killing but my meat is getting killed one way or another so I don't feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't do it if I wasn't going to eat it.

I don't deer hunt. Went a bunch with my dad when I was young and just didn't enjoy it. But again, the cost savings are there for a lot people.

So you just proved my point. That the enjoyment of shooting and killing something is a contributing factor.

 

[Zow]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.

I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

 

[Vike Me]

Jesus

I don't care what any of you gun-loving hillbillies say, if you're putting an uzi in your NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER's hands, you're the dumbest ####### on the planet.

Instructor dead, and this poor girl will be a complete mess because the people who are supposed to take care of her in life allowed her to be put in this position.

Between crap like this and the pitbull thread, I just can't understand why people take such stupid, needless risks. So, so, so stupid.

But Otis, you're a liberal northern city wuss, you don't understand that it's part of our CULTURE

:facepalm:

They have hillbillies in New Jersey now?

 

[Zow]

Wow. I had never heard of a child legally being able to fire a real firearm. At that age, we were given nerf guns to fire. This is just plain stupid even if it is legal in that state. I'm sure that girl feels just grand having shot and witnessed the death of her instructor from that gun she fired regardless of being told 100 times it was an accident. Just when you thought you have heard of all kinds of crazy things people think are ok, one comes up that you never imagined!

wtf

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

Absolutely. Cost will be different for everyone but it is significantly cheaper for me. I go goose/duck hunting a few weekends a year.Gun: $250 about 15 years ago

Ammo: $50ish/year that is tied directly to the amount of meat

License: $30/year

Gas: $25 per weekend

Clothing is irrelevant; no requirements for bird hunting. I have plenty of warm clothing from living in Canada. And the temps are rarely below freezing anyways.

4.5 CF freezer that I'd have any way so the cost is irrelevant.

Not sure where you get opportunity costs from. It's a fall weekend or two that I wouldn't be doing a damn thing on anyways.

I'll come home with about 50-60 goose breasts (1 breast off a Canada Goose feeds two of us) and a few dozen ducks on an average weekend. Turn that into a crapload of jerky, stews, meat pies, etc. and the cost isn't close. I don't have to buy meat all winter (i do but that is just to vary the diet).I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I absolutely do. The shooting, working with my dog, hanging out with the guys, etc. but the cost savings is definitely a factor along with really liking the meat. I don't 'like' killing but my meat is getting killed one way or another so I don't feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't do it if I wasn't going to eat it.

I don't deer hunt. Went a bunch with my dad when I was young and just didn't enjoy it. But again, the cost savings are there for a lot people.

So you just proved my point. That the enjoyment of shooting and killing something is a contributing factor.

Or you could read the rest where I said I don't like the killing. I enjoy shooting whether it be at birds or clays. If I could go clay shooting and they'd magically turn into meat after being hit, I'd do that instead. But in the real world, an animal has to die if you want to eat meat.

 

[jonessed]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

The enjoyment in hunting isn't necessarily in the actual killing. I like to fish, but I don't enjoy it because I like to kill fish.

For some it may be, but certainly not for all.

 

[Zow]

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

Absolutely. Cost will be different for everyone but it is significantly cheaper for me. I go goose/duck hunting a few weekends a year.Gun: $250 about 15 years ago

Ammo: $50ish/year that is tied directly to the amount of meat

License: $30/year

Gas: $25 per weekend

Clothing is irrelevant; no requirements for bird hunting. I have plenty of warm clothing from living in Canada. And the temps are rarely below freezing anyways.

4.5 CF freezer that I'd have any way so the cost is irrelevant.

Not sure where you get opportunity costs from. It's a fall weekend or two that I wouldn't be doing a damn thing on anyways.

I'll come home with about 50-60 goose breasts (1 breast off a Canada Goose feeds two of us) and a few dozen ducks on an average weekend. Turn that into a crapload of jerky, stews, meat pies, etc. and the cost isn't close. I don't have to buy meat all winter (i do but that is just to vary the diet).I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I absolutely do. The shooting, working with my dog, hanging out with the guys, etc. but the cost savings is definitely a factor along with really liking the meat. I don't 'like' killing but my meat is getting killed one way or another so I don't feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't do it if I wasn't going to eat it.

I don't deer hunt. Went a bunch with my dad when I was young and just didn't enjoy it. But again, the cost savings are there for a lot people.

So you just proved my point. That the enjoyment of shooting and killing something is a contributing factor.

Or you could read the rest where I said I don't like the killing. I enjoy shooting whether it be at birds or clays. If I could go clay shooting and they'd magically turn into meat after being hit, I'd do that instead. But in the real world, an animal has to die if you want to eat meat.

Hairs. You split them.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

talk about being careful or you`ll shoot ur eye out ....jesus...how irresponsible can parents get

 

[drummer]

I dunno, bird hunting is basically bird watching with a gun.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cost? You're suggesting the cost of food is cheaper when you hunt?

Gun + ammo + tag + huge opportunity costs in dedicated a weekend or whatever to sitting in silence in the wilderness (you know, since it isn't for entertainment and therefore should be consider work) + dressing cost + huge freezer and associated electricity cost to store meat = at least close to the 7.99/lbs. i pay for ground bison.

ETA: If it makes you feel better, I actual don't take much issue with adults going deer hunting or whatever with a rifle. It's not my cup of tea, but I am not terribly appalled by it. That said, I find the notion that this isn't at least partly done for the thrill of killing something to be laughable.

Absolutely. Cost will be different for everyone but it is significantly cheaper for me. I go goose/duck hunting a few weekends a year.Gun: $250 about 15 years ago

Ammo: $50ish/year that is tied directly to the amount of meat

License: $30/year

Gas: $25 per weekend

Clothing is irrelevant; no requirements for bird hunting. I have plenty of warm clothing from living in Canada. And the temps are rarely below freezing anyways.

4.5 CF freezer that I'd have any way so the cost is irrelevant.

Not sure where you get opportunity costs from. It's a fall weekend or two that I wouldn't be doing a damn thing on anyways.

I'll come home with about 50-60 goose breasts (1 breast off a Canada Goose feeds two of us) and a few dozen ducks on an average weekend. Turn that into a crapload of jerky, stews, meat pies, etc. and the cost isn't close. I don't have to buy meat all winter (i do but that is just to vary the diet).I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I absolutely do. The shooting, working with my dog, hanging out with the guys, etc. but the cost savings is definitely a factor along with really liking the meat. I don't 'like' killing but my meat is getting killed one way or another so I don't feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't do it if I wasn't going to eat it.

I don't deer hunt. Went a bunch with my dad when I was young and just didn't enjoy it. But again, the cost savings are there for a lot people.

So you just proved my point. That the enjoyment of shooting and killing something is a contributing factor.

Or you could read the rest where I said I don't like the killing. I enjoy shooting whether it be at birds or clays. If I could go clay shooting and they'd magically turn into meat after being hit, I'd do that instead. But in the real world, an animal has to die if you want to eat meat.

Hairs. You split them.

Reading comprehension. You need it.

 

[Zow]

I love throw punches. Just love it. It's a great workout and really help my stress levels. It's like connecting to our primal instincts and with our nature. I even will throw a punch at somebody's face. I mean intentionally. It's like the rawest form of punching.

I just don't like it when I actually hit somebody in the face. Although I figure at some point in that person's life he will likely hurt his face anyway and doctors need job security.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Man, I didn't realize that I could save so much money by hunting.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I hate killing animals. Who wants steak tonight?

 

[jonessed]

I love throw punches. Just love it. It's a great workout and really help my stress levels. It's like connecting to our primal instincts and with our nature. I even will throw a punch at somebody's face. I mean intentionally. It's like the rawest form of punching.

I just don't like it when I actually hit somebody in the face. Although I figure at some point in that person's life he will likely hurt his face anyway and doctors need job security.

Oh my. That's almost as bad as Tim's new poem schtick.

 

[drummer]

Man, I didn't realize that I could save so much money by hunting.

Just think of all the possum meat you'd have for the winter!

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.

I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

You've basically put hunters one step away from serial killers.

 

[Zow]

I love throw punches. Just love it. It's a great workout and really help my stress levels. It's like connecting to our primal instincts and with our nature. I even will throw a punch at somebody's face. I mean intentionally. It's like the rawest form of punching.

I just don't like it when I actually hit somebody in the face. Although I figure at some point in that person's life he will likely hurt his face anyway and doctors need job security.

Oh my. That's almost as bad as Tim's new poem schtick.

Eh, been a long day.

 

[Zow]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.

I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

You've basically put hunters one step away from serial killers.

Well, the big distinguishing factor being that they're only killing animals.

 

[jonessed]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

You've basically put hunters one step away from serial killers.

Well, the big distinguishing factor being that they're only killing animals.

That's not really a distinguishing factor .

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.

I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

You've basically put hunters one step away from serial killers.

Well, the big distinguishing factor being that they're only killing animals.

Well, YOU'RE the one trying to divine the "real motives" behind hunters, and you've basically said they do it because they like killing....like serial killers.

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

My store bought food wasn't hunted in the wilderness. I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point here covers the notion that hunters only hunt for food. I can go get farm raised bison, venison, or antelope in the store that was raised and killed without an actual hunt. And, if I can, so can hunters. Deductively then, hunters are choosing to hunt for some reason in addition to obtaining good food. Rationally, that additional reason would be the thrill of killing of living being.

Fresh meat is like fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, fresh eggs, etc. It tastes significantly better than something that's been sitting around or flash frozen.I don't see why it matters whether someone likes to hunt or someone prefers a machine put a slug through the brain. If the latter makes you feel better that's fine. I doubt it matters to the animal.

It absolutely matters if we're discussing the validity of Tanner's statement. Which happens to be exactly what we're doing. Sure, there are other valid reasons for hunting, but an additional reason is that people enjoy killing things.

You've basically put hunters one step away from serial killers.

Well, the big distinguishing factor being that they're only killing animals.

That's not really a distinguishing factor .

It always starts out with animals..then they graduate to people.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dunno, bird hunting is basically bird watching with a gun.

Shootin' dem dinosaurs is right fun.

 

[Otis]

I hate killing animals. Who wants steak tonight?

Turns out -- and I know this seems crazy -- there's a difference between eating food and taking pleasure in the killing of animals for sport.

CRAZY RIGHT????