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90 min. Q&A with JOHN CLAYTON today (1 Viewer)

4 - Digit Shark

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Attended a local FFB convention today which is in it's 5th year and hosted by ESPN Radio. J. Wood was there in 2004 representing FBG's, but this year they just had two speakers, one from ESPN (I think) and the other from FantasyFootball.com, then Clayton at the end. I didn't really take any notes when the other guys were on. They pretty much touched on things anyone would have already saw if they spent any time on FFB sites this year. No new sleepers, one was high on a player and the other was low on him. Nothing worth noting.

When Clayton speaks at this thing, he doesn't do so as a FFB expert, he just wants to pass long what he has seen and heard while on his camp tour. He talks a mile a minute for about 30 min., then takes questions for the last hour. I'll run through what he touched on. Please keep this in mind. Clayton was a HUGE supporter of K. Barlow (SF) in the preseason before he busted for so many. At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast. Everyone is wrong from time to time, so take this stuff for what it's worth.

T. Bell (DET) - His injury is to the CALF, and it is not serious. Has always shown to get worse with more carries. Says 15 car/gm is his limit. Maybe John's just trying to motivate him???

O. Daniels (HOUS) - Will be the 2nd option in the passing offense.

G. Jennings (GB) - Clayton was big on him prior to last year, and was correct. He feels Jennings hit his peek early and sees little improvement from last year, if any. He's still the #2 ahead of JJ.

D. Driver (GB) - Should be OK. Not a Lis Frac (sp?) injury.

A. Peterson (MIN) - He's the real deal but will share carries with Taylor. Best of the rookie RB's.

M. Lynch (BUF) - He's a pass catcher 1st and a runner 2nd.

B. Jackson (GB) - Wears down after 15 carries like T. Bell. College coach told him the same and Clayton saw him wear down in practice.

JP Lossman (BUF) - is looking very good and is clicking well with Evans.

L. Evans (BUF) - He could not say enough good things about Evans. Super star, top 5, you name it. He loves Evans this year.

BUF Defense - Very bad, especially against the pass. May be on the field a lot, limiting the Offense.

J. Kitna (DET) - Back is fine, non issue.

G. Olson (CHI) - Looking very good. His presence may pull DB's back, creating room for Benson to run and B. Berrian to do crossing routes.

B. Berrian (CHI) - Is the clear #1 WR in CHI and has been looking good.

L. Fitz (ARIZ) - Looking great in camp. Boldin has pushed Fitz and Fitz has really uped his workouts to match Boldins.

F. Taylor & MJD (JAC) - Taylor in the starter and MJD is the back up. Taylor talking like he's going for 1,500 this year.

NFC West - Teams run all over the NFC West.

C. Williams (TB) - Expects a rebound. Presence of Garica will improve his receptions as Garica has history of throwing to RB's. Possible 45 - 50 rec's. With that said, he also said Pitman will get some 3rd down work.

D. Foster & D. Williams (CAR) - Foster won the #1 RB job. The coaches would like D. Williams to take it, but he hasn't. Will still get D. Williams on the field a lot.

W. Dunn & J. Norwood (ATL) - With Vick gone they will find running more dificult. Teams would focus on outside contain to keep Vick contained. This would create huge lanes up the middle for the RB's. With Joey at QB teams will not have to worry as they did before.

T. Jackson (MIN) - He will strugle and could lose his job. Does not handle preasure well.

L. White & C. Brown (TEN) - Will share the load.

M. Williams (HOUS) - IDP - Has not picked up his game yet.

L. Castillo (SD) - Looking great, breakout year.

C. Portis (WASH) - Body is breaking down because he does not take care of himself like a pro athlete should. He called him a McDonalds guy. Said he noticed he was bigger and asked if he started a new workout routine. Portis said no, he's just eating more. Feels his body is more like a 29 year old because of his eating habits. Still main RB though.

JAC WR's - All suck, even M. Lewis at TE. D. Northcutt is the #1 for now.

C. Pennington (NYJ) - Could lose job. There's a budding QB controversy with the Jets.

T. Jones (NYJ) - Injury is not serious and should be OK. No threat of L. Washington taking carries. He didn't follow up to say if Washington would steal catches thought.

D. McNabb (PHIL) - Reported to camp at 75%. Now, he didn't say.

W. McGahee (BALT) - BALT will use more 1 RB sets and throw to him more then they did with Lewis. Lewis always wanted a FB, and did not want a 1 RB system. May get close to 50 rec.

T. Heap (BALT) - Should be more of a focal point this year. Expecting his best year yet.

L. Jordan (OAK) - Saw Jordan this year and said he thought he looked like Art Shell with his big belly. Will be cut after this year.

R. Moss (NE) - Skills are declining. Still fast but takes longer to get to full speed.

W. Welker (NE) - Could lead team in receptions.

MIAMI - Expects team to be better then most do. Thinks T. Green will be OK.

F. Gore (SF) - Said Gore was crying because he could not practice. He was crying beacuse he loves going out and hitting people so much and could not do it. Said he's a beast and likes contact so much he'll be out of the league in 3 - 4 years.

S. Jackson (STL) - Says 2,500 yds is in reach.

That's about it. I know a lot of it is just short tidbits, but when your there and people are asking questions and Clayton is just firing things off it's hard to get every word. The main points are there though.

Edit to Add: Can't belive I forgot...

T. Henry (DEN) - Should be fine and a very good fit in DEN. If stays healthy good for 1,400 - 1,500 rushing.

 
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First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
 
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First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
He wasn't the only one to miss on Barlow... :shrug: But John Clayton is a great resource. He knows a ton. I think it would be exceptionally unwise to not put stock in what he says because he missed on Kevan Barlow 3 years ago.J
 
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That Portis information makes me want to throw up in my mouth after drafting him at 4.10 yesterday.

Luckily, I took Lee Evans at 5.01 so I can be optimistic.

I find the Olson and Falcons running game notes to be most close to his field of expertise and excellent ones at that. Good info there!

 
Local SF here, I can tell you Clayton did not totally miss on Barlow. He looked very good especially during his second year for the 49ers , nobody would have seen his fast drop. might be due to a fairly strange mental make up

First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
He wasn't the only one to miss on Barlow... :shrug: But John Clayton is a great resource. He knows a ton. I think it would be exceptionally unwise to not put stock in what he says because he missed on Kevan Barlow 3 years ago.J
 
T. Jackson (MIN) - He will strugle and could lose his job. Does not handle preasure well.

To who, Bollinger? :shrug:

 
Interesting commentary on Brandon Jackson, RB Packers. The comparison to Tatum Bell has me rethinking targeting this guy in a keeper league.

 
T. Jackson (MIN) - He will strugle and could lose his job. Does not handle preasure well.To who, Bollinger? :shrug:
I thought the exact same thing when he said that. But he said it so maybe there's something to it.I have read other places that the coaches like Jackson's progress so far. But maybe that's just what their telling the reporters. Clayton's giving his opinion on the players in most cases. Some is what he is told, but most are his observations.
 
Local SF here, I can tell you Clayton did not totally miss on Barlow. He looked very good especially during his second year for the 49ers , nobody would have seen his fast drop.
Not to bring up the past, but many of us did. He lost a Pro Bowl QB, Pro Bowl WR and the #2 WR all in the same year. I think they lost a starting lineman or two as well. The icing on the cake (and I beat that drum constantly) was SFO had some ridiculously high salary tied up in dead money. I think it was around 25% of their cap. Taken together I thought it was a near certainty that he and the 49ers busted. It's also one of the reasons why I think its almost never correct to call a RB the next Kevan Barlow. Too unique a set of circumstances.
 
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First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
He wasn't the only one to miss on Barlow... :shrug: But John Clayton is a great resource. He knows a ton. I think it would be exceptionally unwise to not put stock in what he says because he missed on Kevan Barlow 3 years ago.J
I put a lot of stock in the stuff that's more factual (e.g. so and so's injury isn't serious). As far as the opinion stuff (player A will have a huge year), while I certainly pay attention, I probably have more faith in you Joe. But hey, maybe I'm just a Footballguys fanboi.
 
First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
:goodposting: If you're expecting even those closest to the game to be 100% in their projections, you have problems. Putting yourself into a good position to compete and maybe win your league requires a lot more than picking a team based on who the pundits are hyping.
 
Thanks for posting. Much appreciated. :goodposting:

This seems like more confirmation that the fantasy football community, burned by past injuries, are writing off Fred Taylor and De'shaun Foster prematurely, while overvaluing Maurice Jones-Drew and DeAngelo Williams on draft day.

 
Thanks for the great post, Shark.Did JC happen to say anything about any of the Colts?
I'm going to have to go off memory, because I didn't write anything down about Indy. If I recall he said he liked Addai, but he didn't have him grouped with LT, S. Jax, LJ and Gore. Nothing else from Indy I recall that would be considered new news.Sorry can't be any more helpful. When he said something I already thought would be the case, or I knew it wasn't in my plans, I didn't write it down. Plus time was limited, so me may not have said much more about Indy.
 
Lamont Jordan is definitely sporting a potbelly these days. I played some poker with him this summer out in Vegas and he looked like a blimp.

 
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Local SF here, I can tell you Clayton did not totally miss on Barlow. He looked very good especially during his second year for the 49ers , nobody would have seen his fast drop. might be due to a fairly strange mental make up.
How do you interpret Clayton's comment about Frank Gore's love for contact and hitting people, and how he'll be out of the league in 3-4 years?What does that mean in terms of Clayton's thoughts on Gore THIS season?

 
First off, thanks for sharing. He's well-connected, so I'm always interested to hear what he has to say.

At the convention that year he said Barlow would be a beast.
I remember this (and Wood's article), and it's one reason I take Clayton with a grain of salt. It would be interesting to see what the hit rate was for those '04 predictions. I remember a lot of them missing the mark, but it may be the old selective memory thing (and bitterness of one who drank the Barlow Cool Aid).
He wasn't the only one to miss on Barlow... :fishy: But John Clayton is a great resource. He knows a ton. I think it would be exceptionally unwise to not put stock in what he says because he missed on Kevan Barlow 3 years ago.J
I put a lot of stock in the stuff that's more factual (e.g. so and so's injury isn't serious). As far as the opinion stuff (player A will have a huge year), while I certainly pay attention, I probably have more faith in you Joe. But hey, maybe I'm just a Footballguys fanboi.
I do put stock in his injury assessments. There are a lot of players, Portis and T Jones amongst them, that are dropping. If the injuries are not a worry they shoot back up the draft list. Interesting take on Portis.
 
I don't know about the love for contact but when Sirius NFL Radio was at Niner's camp about two weeks ago they said that Gore was a workout warrier. He didn't stop running etc. from the time they got there until the time they left, something like 4 hours. He was pissed that Robinson, Hicks & Clayton were getting work with the first team in practice & pre-season games while he was sidelined. He took it as an insult (not sure why as he was in a cast and obviously couldn't play.) He's an incredibaly dedicated athelete.

Now, will he break down due to the accumulation of injuries and/or because of his strenous workout regime? Verry possibly, but you can't play this game trying to predict injuries. As long as he's healthy I want him on my team. He's a Larry Johnson like workhorse & I'll ride him until the wheels fall of the wagon.

 
I don't know about the love for contact but when Sirius NFL Radio was at Niner's camp about two weeks ago they said that Gore was a workout warrier. He didn't stop running etc. from the time they got there until the time they left, something like 4 hours. He was pissed that Robinson, Hicks & Clayton were getting work with the first team in practice & pre-season games while he was sidelined. He took it as an insult (not sure why as he was in a cast and obviously couldn't play.) He's an incredibaly dedicated athelete. Now, will he break down due to the accumulation of injuries and/or because of his strenous workout regime? Verry possibly, but you can't play this game trying to predict injuries. As long as he's healthy I want him on my team. He's a Larry Johnson like workhorse & I'll ride him until the wheels fall of the wagon.
Amen, brother..
 
F. Gore (SF) - Said Gore was crying because he could not practice. He was crying beacuse he loves going out and hitting people so much and could not do it.
Why do I get a mental picture of that guy from Police Academy who loved guns. He threw a temper tantrum after a shootout. When someone was asked why he was upset replied, "There was gunplay and he wasn't involved.":mellow:ETA: Thanks for the info shark!!!
 
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S. Jackson (STL) - Says 2,500 yds is in reach.
:cry: Great post 4-digit. Did Clayton say anything about TO?
Not that I recall. It's amazing too, if you think back to last year and all the suicide talk and everything else. TO is really keeping qiuet this year. Then again next to the Vick news, which I wish would just go away already and allow us to get back to the best time of the year, everyone is keeping quiet.Again no mention of TO I can recall. The only thing sticking in my head about DAL is J. Jones being in a contract year and D. Ware going to be used like W. Phillips used S. Merriman in (SD), so 15+ sacks are possible.
 
Funny to hear him say that about Portis. Gibbs has always praised Portis' work ethic and drive. Bugel has raved about Portis as well. Looks like another "Barlow" moment coming from Clayton....

 
Funny to hear him say that about Portis. Gibbs has always praised Portis' work ethic and drive. Bugel has raved about Portis as well. Looks like another "Barlow" moment coming from Clayton....
I agree he could be wrong about Portis. But just because a guy works hard at the practice facility and shows he's motivated with coaches, doesn't mean he's following the best training plan when at home and over the offseason. One thing Clayton said specifically was that Portis enjoys the late night, 1:00 AM, meals. I think some players treat their careers in the NFL differently. You have the guys that are football 24/7/365 and are always in great shape year round, and you have those (L. White for example) that really let themselves go over the offseason and live the high life. Yes they have enough time to get back in shape, but maybe their bodys don't respond as well to injuries and what not, because they don't take the best care of it. It's possible.
 

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