A 1 + a 3, + give the player a lot of scratch? (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?

In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)

But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?

I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.

IMHO.

Gator

 

[PatsWillWin]

Agreed. You can probably thank Jerry Jones in part for Boldin's price tag.

 

[Blackjacks]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?

In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)

But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?

I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.

IMHO.

Gator

I hate to nit pick but a first and a third are a day one and a day 2 pick.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.IMHO.Gator

1) You have to give scratch to your 1st and 3rd rounders, too. So the net $$ effect isn't very bad.2) Third round picks are not very valuable.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

If you're in the market for a 1st round WR, a 1st and a 3rd doesn't seem like much. Andy Dufresne stated it well in the Boldin thread:

If Boldin ends up being traded for a 1st and 3rd and the Vikes don't make that trade yet take a WR in the first anyway, I think I'll be done with the team. I mean it.Because in that equation, all they're "giving up" is a 3rd rounder. Would you trade a 3rd plus Harvin/Nicks/Britt for Boldin? In a heartbeat.

 

[TLEF316]

as a Jet fan, I'd sign for a 1+3 for Boldin without blinking an eye.

I mean, come on...a few years ago we spent our 3rd rounders on Eric Smith and Anthony Schlegal.

 

[unckeyherb]

The eagles could trade a first and a third and STILL draft Moreno/Wells/Brown in the first round. Its a lot to give up and god knows, Andy likes his mid-round picks, but filling a void at WR with a guy like Boldin and still shoring up the run game with a guy like Moreno would be awesome.

 

[Avery]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?

In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)

But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?

I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.

IMHO.

Gator

I disagree with the premise that just because you have to pay a good player a lot of money, you are by definition screwing up your cap.

 

[trader jake]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?

In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)

But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?

I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.

IMHO.

Gator

I disagree with the premise that just because you have to pay a good player a lot of money, you are by definition screwing up your cap.

Yup. Teams only screw up their cap when they give money to players that don't produce on the field. Most are confident that Boldin and Edwards will produce on the field...not so certain with any rookie.Teams that have a real chance at a Super Bowl (Giants, Eagles in these most recent examples) should send a 1st and a 3rd for that proven commodity. Both already have quality depth, solid defenses, good running games, QB's that can lead, above average coaching staffs, and cap money to spare. Reid and Reese should have already made the trades to acquire the proven player to fill the gaping need at wideout. If they keep waiting one of them is going to lose out to a more aggressive GM. Hello Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore!

 

[GregR_2]

Someone posted this after the cutler trade, but would you want your team to give up a first and a third + cash to fill their biggest need, or use both those picks on the need and not screw up their cap?In terms of cutler: Okay, he is a solid starter at the most important position in football (I say solid starter b/c this board is littered with the "he's great/he sucks" crowd)But for any other position (except perhaps LT), is it worth it?I love Boldin, but if Parcells traded the 25th + a 3rd + gave him a boatload of cash, I would think he lost his mind. I would likely be fine with a first day and second day pick for someone, but two first day picks for any player that is not a QB or an LT (and even then I would be a bit urked) is a dumb move for a team.IMHO.Gator

So to rephrase your question.... let's say that before using their 1st round pick on a WR a few years back, that Detroit could have bought the knowledge of how good both Charles Rogers and Andre Johnson would end up being in the NFL, at the cost of a third round pick. Do you think a third would be worth the cost of getting a proven stud player at that position vs taking a player and gambling how he turns out?ETA: I'm using the example to point out there is a risk associated with a pick which is much lessened with the veteran player at the peak of his game. I'm not saying that everyone who drafts the player with their own first will fail. But am asking to compare what the odds of failed pick are at that position and then ask if a 3rd rounder to nearly assure the outcome is worth it.

 

[massraider]

This screwing up the cap myth needs to go bye-bye. How many teams have screwed up caps, and can't afford a #1 WR. This extends to top 5 picks as well. It stinks to have a draft pick making a lot of money and not produce, but I don't see the cap hell everyone is yammering about.

 

[stevegamer]

You just saw the Eagles doing that with Peters - 1st & a 4th. & a 2010 pick.

They still have a 1st this year, so they could get Boldin, too.

 

[r3t2]

i would trade a 1st and 3rd for boldin in a heartbeat. whoever you get at the 28 spot, youre PRAYING becomes...anquan boldin. and honestly, i am not saying 3rd round picks are worthless but what is the hit rate? the FIRST round hit rate isnt spectacular, how good could the 3rd be? its the price you pay for certainty.

and of course you have to pay stars. this is a no-brainer to me, especially since they have 12 draft picks this year. arent they $40 million under the cap too? youve got a couple more years with donovan, how 'bout you go for it.

 

[FUBAR]

Ideally, we could give the 1st, 3rd, and a player we don't really need but might cost a few pennies in a year or two.

Take LenDale White. Please.

 

[EBF]

I would do it. What are the odds that one of the players you'd take with one of those two picks would become a Pro Bowler?

Probably not very high.