A Case For DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[switz]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.

I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

 

[Loan Sharks]

Stewart should play in their next preseason game, which airs tonight on Fox, 8 est.

Chances are he wont be in long. Most coaches are always cautious with their starting RB's if they arent 100%. I have no doubt stewart will be the starting rb for the panthers sooner than later.

Anyone seeing some similarity with Barber/Dayne situation in 2000?

NopeDayne wasn't built like Stew or had his speed. Good try tho

This whole forum is just too in love with Stewart. He had a great college career, and he has the prototypical size. I have no doubt in the future, he'll be a very good running back, both real life and fantasy. But people give Deangelo Williams NO chance at anything. Everyone just wants to assume Stewart jumps in and starts.

Considering how Deangelo couldnt beat out deshawn foster in 2 years for the starting job, Deshawn leaves and goes to SF while Carolina then drafts Stewart 13th overall in the draft. You cant see how most would assume carolina has plans for stewart other than backing up Deangelo?

I can't see how no one is considering it a competition when:Stewart's toe hasn't been 100%.He's been limited all training camp.He hasn't taken a single snap.Deangelo looked GREAT in his first outing.The reason Deangelo didn't get rid of Foster has nothing to do with talent. I just love that you post Stewart as the starter as if it's pure fact. Most coaches don't risk their injured players in preseason period pal, starters or not. You just wanted a spot to say Stewart's definitely the starter. And as of right now, you know that's not the case. He may be named the starter. But who was number one on the depth charts released to date? Stewart's going to have to earn it, they're not just going to hand it to him. And thus far, Deangelo hasn't made it a cake walk for him.

This will be a fun thread to bump in a couple of weeks.

Why would it be fun? It will be like all the threads around here. If the thread is bumped by people who are backing Williams all the Stewart lovers will simply scatter and refuse to come in the thread because they are going to look foolish. And there would be no reason for a Stewart backer to bump the thread after a year of slow progression and modest contributions.

 

[Loan Sharks]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

First round pick Williams is blasted for being behind a veteran RB learning the game for two years. But the same people have no problem making the leap that the gimp with a bad toe will pick up the NFL game and be a monster instantaneously.

 

[Brutis]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

First round pick Williams is blasted for being behind a veteran RB learning the game for two years. But the same people have no problem making the leap that the gimp with a bad toe will pick up the NFL game and be a monster instantaneously.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him? That makes no sense. You guys talking about stewart like he's on the sideline in a wheel chair for Christ sake. The guy is practicing and looking very good doing it. Im sure he is picking up the plays and responisbilities of his job.

 

[Loan Sharks]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

First round pick Williams is blasted for being behind a veteran RB learning the game for two years. But the same people have no problem making the leap that the gimp with a bad toe will pick up the NFL game and be a monster instantaneously.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him? That makes no sense. You guys talking about stewart like he's on the sideline in a wheel chair for Christ sake. The guy is practicing and looking very good doing it. Im sure he is picking up the plays and responisbilities of his job.

Stewart missed the OTA and has been limited in practice, what I saw was that he was doing KR duties. This is a time issue. Willis McGahee was drafted with a injury so your doctor thing really isnt relevant teams are willing to wait for various reasons. The fact that he has a injury no matter the severity will and has slowed his development. Will he pick it up eventually, sure, will he do it in a timely manner enough to displace the incumbent first round pick Williams at RB this year. I doubt it.

 

[Jon_Moore]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

I'm glad someone can see it. A lack of talent won't keep him off the field, but the things you've mentioned here will certainly keep him from being #1 on opening day.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him? That makes no sense. You guys talking about stewart like he's on the sideline in a wheel chair for Christ sake. The guy is practicing and looking very good doing it. Im sure he is picking up the plays and responisbilities of his job.

Ok, you lost all validity in my eyes here. You're exaggerating and being sarcastic, but offering NOTHING in the way of facts. No one said he's in a wheel chair. I won't be surprised if he plays on opening day, but he's not gotten starters reps thus far, and he's just not on pace to be the starter right now. Just because the toe isn't 100% doesn't mean the doctors would tell the team to avoid him. It's a toe, it WILL be 100% eventually. It's not like he's got deteriorative knees or ankles. It just isn't 100% at the moment, and he just hasn't been treated like a starter all camp. Again, he won't be handed the starting role just because they drafted him. And, until he can come out and earn it, he won't start. The end.

 

[Banger]

Stewart should play in their next preseason game, which airs tonight on Fox, 8 est.

Chances are he wont be in long. Most coaches are always cautious with their starting RB's if they arent 100%. I have no doubt stewart will be the starting rb for the panthers sooner than later.

Anyone seeing some similarity with Barber/Dayne situation in 2000?

NopeDayne wasn't built like Stew or had his speed. Good try tho

This whole forum is just too in love with Stewart. He had a great college career, and he has the prototypical size. I have no doubt in the future, he'll be a very good running back, both real life and fantasy. But people give Deangelo Williams NO chance at anything. Everyone just wants to assume Stewart jumps in and starts. There's no question with people on this board, despite the fact the coaches haven't said anything one way or the other. It's not even considered an opinion anymore, it's pure fact."Most coaches are always cautious with their starting running backs if they're not 100%" He hasn't even played a snap of pre-season football yet, let alone a real game. He's been limited all training camp long. Deangelo Williams has an excellent outing, and yet you still post it as that. With no real basis.Can we take the bias out folks?

This is essentially the exact situation as last year. Last year, nearly everyone thought D. Williams was the starter and ignored Foster. I've be guilty of assuming D. Will was an after thought now that Stewart had been drafted but this thread has definitely perked up my ears. Good thread.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.

I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

First round pick Williams is blasted for being behind a veteran RB learning the game for two years. But the same people have no problem making the leap that the gimp with a bad toe will pick up the NFL game and be a monster instantaneously.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him?

I think the opposite is just as likely. He may have overstated just how good of a job he did.

 

[Banger]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

I'm glad someone can see it. A lack of talent won't keep him off the field, but the things you've mentioned here will certainly keep him from being #1 on opening day.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him? That makes no sense. You guys talking about stewart like he's on the sideline in a wheel chair for Christ sake. The guy is practicing and looking very good doing it. Im sure he is picking up the plays and responisbilities of his job.

Ok, you lost all validity in my eyes here. You're exaggerating and being sarcastic, but offering NOTHING in the way of facts. No one said he's in a wheel chair. I won't be surprised if he plays on opening day, but he's not gotten starters reps thus far, and he's just not on pace to be the starter right now. Just because the toe isn't 100% doesn't mean the doctors would tell the team to avoid him. It's a toe, it WILL be 100% eventually. It's not like he's got deteriorative knees or ankles. It just isn't 100% at the moment, and he just hasn't been treated like a starter all camp. Again, he won't be handed the starting role just because they drafted him. And, until he can come out and earn it, he won't start. The end.

It's critical that rook's get on the field and play, especially when your competition has a good pedigree and is rippin it up....ok, now let this thread fall off the page....

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As much as I do not believe DeAngelo Williams is a starting RB calibre player, I have to admit, the longer Stewart is out due to his recovery, the better DA's chances are at starting. Think of all the things Stewart has to learn in the NFL yet. Forget just getting used to the speed of he game. Learning to block, recognize blitzes, etc.

I tihnk he CAN learn those things, and will be the starter at some point. But are we looking at this season or next?

First round pick Williams is blasted for being behind a veteran RB learning the game for two years. But the same people have no problem making the leap that the gimp with a bad toe will pick up the NFL game and be a monster instantaneously.

If his toe was as bad off as you say dont you think the carolina doctors who performed this operation would've told the panthers to not draft him?

I think the opposite is just as likely. He may have overstated just how good of a job he did.

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[shader]

Some of you are blinded to reality. I have a hunch that you are blinded because you drafted Jonathan Stewart a little high and you are hoping he starts. So you are wishing him into the starting lineup.

Lest you forget, Deangelo was a 1st round pick of his own just a few seasons ago. He's entering season 3, and had some very nice games as well as a ypc over 5 last season.

But you guys think he's going to get benched before they figure out what they have in him???

Makes no sense.

Deangelo will start and be the starter as long as he performs. Fox has always done this and this year will be no different. Could Stewart cut into his production, especially around the goalline? Absolutely. Could Stewart overtake him and be the starter? If Williams gets injured or performs badly, sure.

But Deangelo will be the starter and the Panthers will see what they have. It'd be a bad business decision not to. If they plug Deangelo in and he runs for 1500 yards, now they have trade options. If they bury Deangelo without seeing what they have, his value remains low.

If you believe in Deangelo's talent, GO GET HIM NOW, because he's going to get his opportunity. This is his year to prove himself.

 

[kupcho1]

Why does everyone put so much stock into the fact that it was the doctor that operated on Stewart that cleared Stewart to be drafted by Carolina?

What's he supposed to say: Ooops, I screwed up. Don't draft him.

I think an unbiased opinion might have been more beneficial.

 

[Marc Levin]

JStew is an insanely overvalued player on draft day.

DWilly is an insanely undervalued player on draft day.

Beyond that, I am simply not impressed enough with the Carolina offensive line's run blocking to feel comfortable counting on either player as my RB3.

 

[Jon_Moore]

JStew is an insanely overvalued player on draft day.DWilly is an insanely undervalued player on draft day.Beyond that, I am simply not impressed enough with the Carolina offensive line's run blocking to feel comfortable counting on either player as my RB3.

I thought they looked GREAT last week. Not so much this week.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

 

[JGalligan]

OK, when I originally wrote the article I wasn't too sure that Williams would end up winning the starting job. I just wanted to vent and try and show some of the reasons why he could be the starter. I know it's only pre-season Week 2 but seriously, this couldn't have taken a better path so far in my opinion.

The team very well could have been ready to cut ties with Williams but since the light bulb finally went off, he's doing the things that he needs to do. I don't think he'll be the clear-cut starter as long as Stewart's toe heals up nicely and/or he's not a bust. It's going to be a committee it looks like, no doubt. I think what it essentially has boiled down to is Williams has proven he's worth a 50% share in the community backfield.

I'm just surprised the announcers aren't talking about the whole situation more..

 

[kevinallen]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

 

[LHUCKS]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

 

[shader]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

Can you please prove any of these points regarding Williams? Include his YPC last year, as well as the solid games he had at the end of the year?

 

[kevinallen]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

I've had plenty to say about D.Williams and what I think he'll do. Sorry you missed my many informative posts.

 

[davearm]

The Panthers under John Fox...

took DeShaun Foster with the 34th overall pick, and as a rookie in '03 gave him 113 carries to Stephen Davis' 318.

took DeAngelo Williams with the 27th overall pick, and as a rookie in '06 gave him 121 carries to Foster's 227.

And now folks are expecting a different, opposite usage pattern will emerge with a guy that's been injured to the point of missing OTAs and being limited in camp?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

I've had plenty to say about D.Williams and what I think he'll do. Sorry you missed my many informative posts.

I'll look for them and I promise you I won't put you down if I disagree with you or the verbage you used to describe your opinion.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

Can you please prove any of these points regarding Williams? Include his YPC last year, as well as the solid games he had at the end of the year?

OK, let's be nice Shader.I'll preface this by saying I don't have a very STRONG opinion on Williams but I didn't the past 2 years either which leads me to believe he's just not that good even more. However,

He finished 41 his rookie as a RB and 31 last year in his 2nd year. Not bad....really. But he's not a WR, rookie's who are usually very good at RB come out of the gates the first couple years unless playing behind superior talent and show something. Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

Anyway, you mentioned his strong finish last year. I think you mean his week 17 which many people don't even play. But if you did, of course you're happy. Off the top of my head, I can't remember if Tampa was playing their real defense that week since they were already in the playoffs but even if they were, he had 2 rushing TD's the entire season heading into that game and ZERO receiving Td's, how confident are you that he doubles his TD output for the entire season in week 17?

 

[kevinallen]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

I've had plenty to say about D.Williams and what I think he'll do. Sorry you missed my many informative posts.

I'll look for them and I promise you I won't put you down if I disagree with you or the verbage you used to describe your opinion.

Sorry I came across as an ***. But this is the current state of the SP, too many people that say things like "I dont like this guy---this guy sucks---so and so will beat out him." All with no real information or even quality opinion to provide.Now back to DWill. I've stated many times, that I think Williams will have a successful year and outplay Stewart, who with his current toe problem, has John Fox as his HC, who has a history of being loyal to his starter/veteran. I, unlike you, think Williams has very good speed and an improved offensive line. And if Delhomme can remain healthy, should provide the running game with a much needed threat at QB.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

I've had plenty to say about D.Williams and what I think he'll do. Sorry you missed my many informative posts.

I'll look for them and I promise you I won't put you down if I disagree with you or the verbage you used to describe your opinion.

Sorry I came across as an ***. But this is the current state of the SP, too many people that say things like "I dont like this guy---this guy sucks---so and so will beat out him." All with no real information or even quality opinion to provide.Now back to DWill. I've stated many times, that I think Williams will have a successful year and outplay Stewart, who with his current toe problem, has John Fox as his HC, who has a history of being loyal to his starter/veteran. I, unlike you, think Williams has very good speed and an improved offensive line. And if Delhomme can remain healthy, should provide the running game with a much needed threat at QB.

I understand where you're coming from and if you're not familiar with my posting, I can understand it even more.I'm interested in your opinion with Carolina's offensive line improving. I'm a real big advocate if you can prove/think that an offensive line is improved, that ultimately the entire offense will improve to some degree. What makes you think the Carolina offensive line is improved from last year and I mean that sincerely.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think D. Williams stinks. He couldn't steal the job away from D. Foster and you haven't heard of him at all this off season.

I'm staying away from this entire team, I did last year too.....they're just funky.

This is the kind of quality, well-thought opinion that has kept me coming around the shark pool so much this off-season. You just cant find this stuff anywhere, nowadays.

He runs soft, he doesn't live up to expectations, he's not powerful, but not fast.Carolina's offense is somewhat predictable, they're very thin in talent, making them very susceptible to injuries.

How about you, you have anything you want to add there? I've been posting since the season ended last season and have hundreds if not thousands of posts since last season, so to pick out one post really doesn't do justice.

I'll look forward to reading your many informative posts in the future.

I've had plenty to say about D.Williams and what I think he'll do. Sorry you missed my many informative posts.

I'll look for them and I promise you I won't put you down if I disagree with you or the verbage you used to describe your opinion.

Sorry I came across as an ***. But this is the current state of the SP, too many people that say things like "I dont like this guy---this guy sucks---so and so will beat out him." All with no real information or even quality opinion to provide.Now back to DWill. I've stated many times, that I think Williams will have a successful year and outplay Stewart, who with his current toe problem, has John Fox as his HC, who has a history of being loyal to his starter/veteran. I, unlike you, think Williams has very good speed and an improved offensive line. And if Delhomme can remain healthy, should provide the running game with a much needed threat at QB.

I understand where you're coming from and if you're not familiar with my posting, I can understand it even more.I'm interested in your opinion with Carolina's offensive line improving. I'm a real big advocate if you can prove/think that an offensive line is improved, that ultimately the entire offense will improve to some degree. What makes you think the Carolina offensive line is improved from last year and I mean that sincerely.

Now the two of you need to get a room or go start a league together, but one of the two. Good to see people can get a little itchy under the collar, but then iron it out with a couple more posts. You don't see that much in here.

 

[JGalligan]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

 

[JGalligan]

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Thank you! I can't believe it took me so long to find this place. I was searching far and wide for a place just like this and basically ended up having legit, in-depth football conversations with myself on most sites because 1) They didn't have the user base this place has, 2) Most of the people had no idea what they were talking about and, 3) I never could get a full fix for my football addiction anywhere. Then I found this place, I just subscribed and honestly I feel like a five year old in candy store. In fact, consider me a 21 year old in a football candy store. Except if the store was hundreds of thousands miles long and wide.Seriously, I can't get over the fact that it's taken this long for me to find this website. It literally and statistically blows ever other possible site out of the water.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Thank you! I can't believe it took me so long to find this place. I was searching far and wide for a place just like this and basically ended up having legit, in-depth football conversations with myself on most sites because 1) They didn't have the user base this place has, 2) Most of the people had no idea what they were talking about and, 3) I never could get a full fix for my football addiction anywhere. Then I found this place, I just subscribed and honestly I feel like a five year old in candy store. In fact, consider me a 21 year old in a football candy store. Except if the store was hundreds of thousands miles long and wide.Seriously, I can't get over the fact that it's taken this long for me to find this website. It literally and statistically blows ever other possible site out of the water.

If you're around long enough, in the offseason we have Survivor Leagues ranging from Winter, Spring and Summer (free) if you're interested. Basically, just bragging rights on the board.........which is everything.

 

[JGalligan]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

Taking out all the things you've went through (gratz btw, I'm sure it wasn't easy), what makes you think that Williams has gone through such a change, something like 180 or something like that. Is it just the last few games of last season or something you've heard or saw since then this season?

 

[JGalligan]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

Taking out all the things you've went through (gratz btw, I'm sure it wasn't easy), what makes you think that Williams has gone through such a change, something like 180 or something like that. Is it just the last few games of last season or something you've heard or saw since then this season?

I guess if you take a look at his career, his blocking skills and intangibles besides actually running have been what has hindered him in the NFL. With many links provided in this thread, the team has said it's impressed by Williams new attitude and the Panthers O.C. Jeff Davidson has said that, "Williams has become a major player on our offense.." I'm taking the word become as a hint that he wasn't a major player on offense until recently. Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.And thank you for the congrats! I wish I had taken the advise and gotten sleep while I still could...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

Taking out all the things you've went through (gratz btw, I'm sure it wasn't easy), what makes you think that Williams has gone through such a change, something like 180 or something like that. Is it just the last few games of last season or something you've heard or saw since then this season?

I guess if you take a look at his career, his blocking skills and intangibles besides actually running have been what has hindered him in the NFL. With many links provided in this thread, the team has said it's impressed by Williams new attitude and the Panthers O.C. Jeff Davidson has said that, "Williams has become a major player on our offense.." I'm taking the word become as a hint that he wasn't a major player on offense until recently. Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.And thank you for the congrats! I wish I had taken the advise and gotten sleep while I still could...

Well, again welcome to the boards. I hope you stick around, the more you lurk around the more you'll be impressed. Anyway, I'm more inclined to think Williams is in for a mediocre season but if he does show improvement, I know where to give some kudos if indeed that happens.

 

[JGalligan]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

Taking out all the things you've went through (gratz btw, I'm sure it wasn't easy), what makes you think that Williams has gone through such a change, something like 180 or something like that. Is it just the last few games of last season or something you've heard or saw since then this season?

I guess if you take a look at his career, his blocking skills and intangibles besides actually running have been what has hindered him in the NFL. With many links provided in this thread, the team has said it's impressed by Williams new attitude and the Panthers O.C. Jeff Davidson has said that, "Williams has become a major player on our offense.." I'm taking the word become as a hint that he wasn't a major player on offense until recently. Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.And thank you for the congrats! I wish I had taken the advise and gotten sleep while I still could...

Well, again welcome to the boards. I hope you stick around, the more you lurk around the more you'll be impressed. Anyway, I'm more inclined to think Williams is in for a mediocre season but if he does show improvement, I know where to give some kudos if indeed that happens.

Thanks. We'll all have to wait and see I guess. I think the 3rd and 4th pre-season games will give us a lot more to discuss/argue/sob over. The good thing, though, is that I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong. I've actually been ridiculously off the mark regarding some breakouts and sleeper predictions (See: Mewelde Moore, J.J. Arrington).I still can't believe Buck and Aikman didn't talk about the RB battle more...

 

[Loan Sharks]

Through two games in the "Carolina Running back competition"

D.Williams 17/87 5.18 YPR 2/13 6.5 YPR 2tds

D.Birmingham 18/75 4.17 YPR 2/27 13.5 YPR

L.Toefield 18/61 3.39 YPR

N.Goings 14/54 3.86 YPR

J.Stewart 4/3 .75 YPR

Place your bets.......

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Through two games in the "Carolina Running back competition"D.Williams 17/87 5.18 YPR 2/13 6.5 YPR 2tdsD.Birmingham 18/75 4.17 YPR 2/27 13.5 YPRL.Toefield 18/61 3.39 YPRN.Goings 14/54 3.86 YPRJ.Stewart 4/3 .75 YPRPlace your bets.......

Looking at that mess.......that they don't make the playoffs.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

Taking out all the things you've went through (gratz btw, I'm sure it wasn't easy), what makes you think that Williams has gone through such a change, something like 180 or something like that. Is it just the last few games of last season or something you've heard or saw since then this season?

I guess if you take a look at his career, his blocking skills and intangibles besides actually running have been what has hindered him in the NFL. With many links provided in this thread, the team has said it's impressed by Williams new attitude and the Panthers O.C. Jeff Davidson has said that, "Williams has become a major player on our offense.." I'm taking the word become as a hint that he wasn't a major player on offense until recently. Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.And thank you for the congrats! I wish I had taken the advise and gotten sleep while I still could...

Well, again welcome to the boards. I hope you stick around, the more you lurk around the more you'll be impressed. Anyway, I'm more inclined to think Williams is in for a mediocre season but if he does show improvement, I know where to give some kudos if indeed that happens.

Thanks. We'll all have to wait and see I guess. I think the 3rd and 4th pre-season games will give us a lot more to discuss/argue/sob over. The good thing, though, is that I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong. I've actually been ridiculously off the mark regarding some breakouts and sleeper predictions (See: Mewelde Moore, J.J. Arrington).I still can't believe Buck and Aikman didn't talk about the RB battle more...

I have maintained the postition that there is NO battle right now. I think that this battle is more a fantasy football fabrication than a real Panther issue. In order for there to be a battle Stewart would have to be healthy and actually posing a threat. If you put aside all future speculation of Stewarts ability and the Panther plans it boils down to at the moment a guy who has a .75 ypc who isnt fully practicing is NOT in a battle for the starting job.One can speculate that there may be a battle in the future, but Williams took ALL the first team snaps tonight.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

They have meds for that, you know. I'm kidding. Good points. I wonder how many times a life-changing event we don't know about has a big effect on the field. We say the guy "gets it" or "the light went on" but it might not even be football-related.

 

[Duke1948]

I have maintained the postition that there is NO battle right now. I think that this battle is more a fantasy football fabrication than a real Panther issue. In order for there to be a battle Stewart would have to be healthy and actually posing a threat. If you put aside all future speculation of Stewarts ability and the Panther plans it boils down to at the moment a guy who has a .75 ypc who isnt fully practicing is NOT in a battle for the starting job.

One can speculate that there may be a battle in the future, but Williams took ALL the first team snaps tonight.

 

[Banger]

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Thank you! I can't believe it took me so long to find this place. I was searching far and wide for a place just like this and basically ended up having legit, in-depth football conversations with myself on most sites because 1) They didn't have the user base this place has, 2) Most of the people had no idea what they were talking about and, 3) I never could get a full fix for my football addiction anywhere. Then I found this place, I just subscribed and honestly I feel like a five year old in candy store. In fact, consider me a 21 year old in a football candy store. Except if the store was hundreds of thousands miles long and wide.Seriously, I can't get over the fact that it's taken this long for me to find this website. It literally and statistically blows ever other possible site out of the water.

The best kept secret on the web. Unfortnately the word is getting out....

 

[Banger]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

They have meds for that, you know. I'm kidding. Good points. I wonder how many times a life-changing event we don't know about has a big effect on the field. We say the guy "gets it" or "the light went on" but it might not even be football-related.

Or it could be as easy as he thought since he was the 1st round pick that "the job was his" and didn't put in the time , dedication and work that's needed to succeed at the nfl level despite talent. Now all the sudden there's a new 1st round pick on the block that's looking to take his job. He may have just realized that if he wants to be a successful football player he needs to change his attitude and work for it.

 

[Banger]

Are we saying D. Foster was some superior talent......that somehow he just couldn't get by that super stud that just about nobody is drafting before round 15 and on this year?

I don't mean to single out your post since it had some good points. I just wanted to go on record with my opinion as to the Williams/Foster situation.When you take a look back at it and factor in everything we've learned, I think it's safe to say that Williams blocking skills can be blamed for that one. The passing game wasn't good as it was with all the injuries never mind if there RB was missing blitz pickups and causing the QB to get rocked.

This hasn't been proven at all but I also think Williams may have been more focused on being a stud running back. Key emphasis on the word running. It wouldn't be surprising if he came out of college and for the first two years didn't really concern himself with anything else since he had such natural rushing talent. He wanted to make the big play, he wanted to be the superstar and this maybe had an affect on every other part of his game.

Cue the present, with the present being the pre-season of William's third year. Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill-wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to? Maybe his ego got roughed up when they took Stewart and his conscience finally decided not to suppress the truth? Maybe he just needed a kick in the ### like that, having his job which was believed to be his until the Draft, threatened?

That's the scenario I'm subscribing to at least. The real world hit Williams like a ton of bricks and he realized he had the talent to be successful, he just now needs to work his tail off. It all adds up nicely to what we're seeing now.

I'm on record as officially being a fan of JGalligan...I have been reading nothing but quality posts and this guy deserves a few props. You're a new member it seems, welcome to the Shark Pool, new members like you make this place great.

Agreed, and this is the first post I think that has been addressed to me and I appreciate a quality post addressing something I've had an opinion on. With that said, you mentioned towards the latter part of your post, " Is it really that out of the question to think that it dawned on him that although he was better skill wise to Foster, what kept him off the field were the skills he wasn't paying attention to because he didn't want to?"I'm asking you why should I believe in 8 months time that somehow he's had this revelation?

Because I'm around the same age as Williams and I've emotionally matured leaps and bounds over the past 4 months. Granted, my daughter was born going on 5 months now and the entire thing gave me a serious kick in the ####. But honestly, there are things in life as I'm sure you know that can just smack you upside the head and let you know that this is indeed the real world and it doesn't give a ##### about how you wish things would go.Now I don't know if Williams had a life changing experience or anything like that but if you knew me five months ago when I was a wrong place at the wrong time away from going to jail and you knew me now. I'm two completely different people. I don't mean to get all philosophical and stuff but what I'm trying to say is that we don't know what happened in Williams personal life. Something good could have happened, something terribly bad could have happened. All we have to go by, so far, is that he's made what is looking like a 180 degree turn around.

Unless it's all a mirage, I'm convinced the kid's done some growing up.

They have meds for that, you know. I'm kidding. Good points. I wonder how many times a life-changing event we don't know about has a big effect on the field. We say the guy "gets it" or "the light went on" but it might not even be football-related.

Or it could be as easy as he thought since he was the 1st round pick that "the job was his" and didn't put in the time , dedication and work that's needed to succeed at the nfl level despite talent. Now all the sudden there's a new 1st round pick on the block that's looking to take his job. He may have just realized that if he wants to be a successful football player he needs to change his attitude and work for it.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I can't speak for the first preseason game because I didn't see it, but Williams still can't run between the tackles and he still goes down too easily on first contact. The lack of breaking tackles is the main reason I don't see him as a starter. He has some good moves and is pretty good in the open field, as evidenced by the 23 yard run he had yesterday, but that description sounds like a change of pace/3rd down RB more than a starter.

 

[simey]

Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.

There was an article written a couple days ago on DeAngelo. Basically he said what made him "grow up" was the fact that DeShaun was gone, and he now became the veteran teaching Stewart, and in doing so it gave him a better clarity of himself. Here is a link to the article link. Here is a portion of the article:

By both necessity and choice, Williams had to grow from pupil to professor.

"When I first got here, DeShaun was here and he took the leadership role and he taught me some things. He always said, ‘Whether I'm here or not -- if I'm not here, then I'm going to give you the tools so when another guy comes in, you can teach him what I taught you.'"

"That's essentially what I tell Jonathan on the sideline when we're looking at certain things, watching the safeties, the corners, certain protections, stuff like that. He's helping me out a lot -- like you wouldn't believe."

But for Williams, everything starts with his maturation as a professional. The manner in which the third-year runner analyzes and dissects his performance links smoothly with the priority he takes upon making himself a model for Stewart to follow.

In learning how to be more valuable to his fellow first-rounder, Williams was able to find something more in himself and how he runs.

"I took a little bit of a different approach this year than the past two years as far as how I approached the field, because I still had that college mentality and the light didn't cut on as far as being a professional football player," Williams said. "During the offseason, having the chance to sit down and talk to him and discover some of the things, the concepts, and why we do this and why we do that, and how can they do this and do that -- it definitely helped me out and led to me getting Jonathan on the same page."

 

[FavreCo]

I have maintained the postition that there is NO battle right now. I think that this battle is more a fantasy football fabrication than a real Panther issue. In order for there to be a battle Stewart would have to be healthy and actually posing a threat. If you put aside all future speculation of Stewarts ability and the Panther plans it boils down to at the moment a guy who has a .75 ypc who isnt fully practicing is NOT in a battle for the starting job.

One can speculate that there may be a battle in the future, but Williams took ALL the first team snaps tonight.

Yes he did. There is no battle anymore. DeAngelo Williams will be the starting RB week 1. However, he really needs to have good outing vs 3 tough run D's in SD, MINN and CHI.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Something had to change and what did is up for debate. I think he just finally grew up some.

There was an article written a couple days ago on DeAngelo. Basically he said what made him "grow up" was the fact that DeShaun was gone, and he now became the veteran teaching Stewart, and in doing so it gave him a better clarity of himself. Here is a link to the article link. Here is a portion of the article:

By both necessity and choice, Williams had to grow from pupil to professor.

"When I first got here, DeShaun was here and he took the leadership role and he taught me some things. He always said, ‘Whether I'm here or not -- if I'm not here, then I'm going to give you the tools so when another guy comes in, you can teach him what I taught you.'"

"That's essentially what I tell Jonathan on the sideline when we're looking at certain things, watching the safeties, the corners, certain protections, stuff like that. He's helping me out a lot -- like you wouldn't believe."

But for Williams, everything starts with his maturation as a professional. The manner in which the third-year runner analyzes and dissects his performance links smoothly with the priority he takes upon making himself a model for Stewart to follow.

In learning how to be more valuable to his fellow first-rounder, Williams was able to find something more in himself and how he runs.

"I took a little bit of a different approach this year than the past two years as far as how I approached the field, because I still had that college mentality and the light didn't cut on as far as being a professional football player," Williams said. "During the offseason, having the chance to sit down and talk to him and discover some of the things, the concepts, and why we do this and why we do that, and how can they do this and do that -- it definitely helped me out and led to me getting Jonathan on the same page."

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure it changes my mind but at least it's some evidence that he's aware that he did need to approach the start of the season a little differently.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I can't speak for the first preseason game because I didn't see it, but Williams still can't run between the tackles and he still goes down too easily on first contact. The lack of breaking tackles is the main reason I don't see him as a starter. He has some good moves and is pretty good in the open field, as evidenced by the 23 yard run he had yesterday, but that description sounds like a change of pace/3rd down RB more than a starter.

The first game was different. He looked absolutely amazing. He found a hole, shot up it, bounced off a tackler and found the endzone. Got really low on a great goal line TD run as well. In the 2nd game, he looked like a decent back, nothing special for the most part. But, if I'm recalling correctly, he had 2 or 3 runs on the inside for about 4 yards each.