A game for the truly bored (1 Viewer)

[Doug Drinen]

In browsing through the database, I constantly find myself looking at the career record of some all-time great and saying, "I forgot that he played for them." James Lofton played for the Rams? Chuck Foreman for the Patriots? Charlie Joiner for the Oilers? In some cases, I knew it but had forgotten. In other cases, I don't think I ever knew.

Anyway, I've noticed that for some franchises, you can build whole teams of guys like this. So here is the game. For each franchise, build a team (1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE) of players who:

1. played for that franchise;

2. only had 15% or less of their career total yardage with that franchise.

For instance, here is a pretty good Dolphins team:

Dolphins

QB: Steve Deberg

RB: Thurman Thomas

RB: Abner Haynes

WR: Cris Carter

WR: Gary Clark

TE: Eric Green

Of course I've already run a database query to generate the best team (at least in terms of total career yardage) for each franchise, so I'll stay out of it except for an occasional hint or witty remark.

Try it. It's fun.

 

[joffer]

Of course I've already run a database query to generate the best team (at least in terms of total career yardage) for each franchise

 

[Doug Drinen]

Of course I've already run a database query to generate the best team (at least in terms of total career yardage) for each franchise

By the way, one team has two hall of famers, one future hall of fame lock, plus a 10,000-yard receiver and an 8,000-yard rusher.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Are we just talking about guys who had forgettable seasons with different teams at the end of their careers (e.g., Jerry Rice with the Seahawks), or are we also including players who had forgettable seasons at the beginnings of their careers with teams they aren't normally associated with (e.g., Steve Largent with the Oilers)?

In other words, should I include Yancey Thigpen on the Chargers list?

 

[dgreen]

Redskins

QB Rich Gannon/Trent Green/Frank Ryan

I don't know much about Ryan, but he had some good stats with Cleveland. Tough choice here.

RB Larry Centers

RB Terry Metcalf

Nothing special here. Unfortunately, Gerald Riggs had 17% of his yards with the Skins. Am I missing someone pretty obvious?

WR Irving Fryar

WR Andre Reed

Great group at WR.

TE Frank Wycheck

Pretty solid at TE.

 

[joffer]

the Chiefs with Montana and Marcus Allen come to mind

 

[QuizGuy66]

Chiefs would have to be one of the better ones. They have Joe Montana and Joe Horn and that's off the top of my head.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

I doubt my Bengals will show much on this - probably more of an exporter. If this were defense, it'd be a different story.

Let's see Arizona Cardinals have

Boomer Esiason

Edge James and Emmitt Smith

 

[dgreen]

the Chiefs with Montana and Marcus Allen come to mind

27% of Allen's yardage was with KC.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

the Chiefs with Montana and Marcus Allen come to mind

Chiefs would have to be one of the better ones. They have Joe Montana and Joe Horn and that's off the top of my head.-QG

right team, wrong QB. Warren Moon finished his career in KC and had almost 10k more yards than Montana.

 

[identikit]

Seattle Seahawks should field a good team:

QB Warren Moon

RB Franco Harris

RB Lawrence Mccutcheon

WR Jerry Rice

My memory fails me in filling in the rest of the team.

Anyone help out?

Id

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Not sure if this has any legs, but the Falcons had:

Brett Farve

now have Joe Horn

Joe Washington

working on more / improvements for them....

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Seattle Seahawks should field a good team:QB Warren MoonRB Franco HarrisRB Lawrence MccutcheonWR Jerry RiceMy memory fails me in filling in the rest of the team. Anyone help out?Id

Wow, very good answer. Moon/Harris/Rice seem impossible to beat.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I doubt my Bengals will show much on this - probably more of an exporter. If this were defense, it'd be a different story.

Bengals have Charlie Joiner.

 

[QuizGuy66]

RedskinsQB Rich Gannon/Trent Green/Frank RyanI don't know much about Ryan, but he had some good stats with Cleveland. Tough choice here.RB Larry CentersRB Terry MetcalfNothing special here. Unfortunately, Gerald Riggs had 17% of his yards with the Skins. Am I missing someone pretty obvious?WR Irving FryarWR Andre ReedGreat group at WR.TE Frank WycheckPretty solid at TE.

White Shoes Johnson also qualifies as a receiver here-QG

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Kansas city also had Andre Rison, but he had 1634 of his career 10205 yards with them (16%).

 

[dgreen]

Not sure if this has any legs, but the Falcons had:Brett Farvenow have Joe HornJoe Washingtonworking on more / improvements for them....

Eric Dickerson.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Not sure if this has any legs, but the Falcons had:Brett Farvenow have Joe HornJoe Washingtonworking on more / improvements for them....

Eric Dickerson.

We may have something here with Farve/Dickerson/Horn....any other WRs worth mentioning?

 

[dgreen]

Not sure if this has any legs, but the Falcons had:Brett Farvenow have Joe HornJoe Washingtonworking on more / improvements for them....

Eric Dickerson.

We may have something here with Farve/Dickerson/Horn....any other WRs worth mentioning?

Drew Hill.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Raiders have Dickerson too - and Roger Craig.

The Eagles have Art Monk and James Lofton and Mike Ditka too

And of course the Niners had OJ

-QG

 

[Doug Drinen]

Are we just talking about guys who had forgettable seasons with different teams at the end of their careers (e.g., Jerry Rice with the Seahawks), or are we also including players who had forgettable seasons at the beginnings of their careers with teams they aren't normally associated with (e.g., Steve Largent with the Oilers)?

In other words, should I include Yancey Thigpen on the Chargers list?

I don't think Thigpen would be good enough to crack the Chargers' lineup anyway, but include whoever you want. It's just for fun.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Chargers depth chart

Starters in bold

QB: Johnny Unitas, Jim McMahon, Trent Green

RB: Lydell Mitchell, Joe Washington, Pete Johnson, Ricky Young, Mercury Morris

WR: Webster Slaughter, Quinn Early, Yancey Thigpen, Brian Brennan, Wendell Davis

TE: John Mackey

James Brooks and Keenan McCardell have more than 15% of their yards as Chargers.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Houston Oilers

QB: Stabler, A Manning

RB: R Harmon

RB: JH Johnson

WR: Joiner

WR: Lionel Taylor

TE: Casper

KR: Mel Gray

 

[QuizGuy66]

Houston Oilers

QB: Stabler

RB:

RB:

WR: Joiner

WR: Largent <------- um? not Steve Largent who only played for the S'quawks, right?

WR: Lionel Taylor

TE: Casper

That makes room for Carl Pickens for the T-Oilers franchise.-QG

 

[JoeSteeler]

Ravens have McNair, Byner and Terry Allen

 

[Doug Drinen]

Chargers depth chart

Starters in bold

QB: Johnny Unitas, Jim McMahon, Trent Green

RB: Lydell Mitchell, Joe Washington, Pete Johnson, Ricky Young, Mercury Morris

WR: Webster Slaughter, Quinn Early, Yancey Thigpen, Brian Brennan, Wendell Davis

TE: John Mackey

James Brooks and Keenan McCardell have more than 15% of their yards as Chargers.

You forgot Eric Metcalf. Other than that, I think you've got it covered.

 

[Doug Drinen]

RedskinsQB Rich Gannon/Trent Green/Frank RyanI don't know much about Ryan, but he had some good stats with Cleveland. Tough choice here.RB Larry CentersRB Terry MetcalfNothing special here. Unfortunately, Gerald Riggs had 17% of his yards with the Skins. Am I missing someone pretty obvious?WR Irving FryarWR Andre ReedGreat group at WR.TE Frank WycheckPretty solid at TE.

Jim Hart would also work at QB. Calvin Hill would be a good RB.

 

[Doug Drinen]

Houston OilersQB: Stabler, A ManningRB: R HarmonRB:WR: JoinerWR: LargentWR: Lionel TaylorTE: CasperKR: Mel Gray

Hall of Famer John Henry Johnson slots in nicely at that other RB position.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Houston OilersQB: Stabler, A ManningRB: R HarmonRB:WR: JoinerWR: LargentWR: Lionel TaylorTE: CasperKR: Mel Gray

Hall of Famer John Henry Johnson slots in nicely at that other RB position.

Damn, missed him.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Fixed it. Who is the certain HOF?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Here's what I can do with the Falcons (thanks, dgreen for the help)

QB Brett Farve -- 59274

WR Joe Horn -- 8561

WR Drew Hill -- 9850

RB Joe Washington -- 8252

RB Eric Dickerson -- 15396

TE Keith Krepfle -- 1895

Total Yards: 103,228

WHATCHA GOT?™

 

[JoeSteeler]

Chargers depth chart

Starters in bold

QB: Johnny Unitas, Jim McMahon, Trent Green

RB: Lydell Mitchell, Joe Washington, Pete Johnson, Ricky Young, Mercury Morris

WR: Webster Slaughter, Quinn Early, Yancey Thigpen, Brian Brennan, Wendell Davis

TE: John Mackey

James Brooks and Keenan McCardell have more than 15% of their yards as Chargers.

You forgot Eric Metcalf. Other than that, I think you've got it covered.

Don't forget Jim Everett. Almost 35,000 yds and 203 TDs. He would knock one of the back ups off.

 

[dgreen]

Here's what I can do with the Falcons (thanks, dgreen for the help)QB Brett Farve -- 59274WR Joe Horn -- 8561WR Drew Hill -- 9850RB Joe Washington -- 8252RB Eric Dickerson -- 15396TE Keith Krepfle -- 1895Total Yards: 103,228WHATCHA GOT?™

Moon, Franco, and Rice combine for 84.340 by themselves for Seattle. Not sure they have much else, though.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Seattle Seahawks should field a good team:QB Warren MoonRB Franco HarrisRB Lawrence MccutcheonWR Jerry RiceMy memory fails me in filling in the rest of the team. Anyone help out?Id

Ahman Green instead of Mccutcheon methinks.-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Okay when did Steve Largent play for the Oilers?

-QG

 

[dgreen]

Doug, are you combing yardage (rush + rec)?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Seattle Seahawks should field a good team:QB Warren MoonRB Franco HarrisRB Lawrence MccutcheonWR Jerry RiceMy memory fails me in filling in the rest of the team. Anyone help out?Id

Ahman Green instead of Mccutcheon methinks.-QG

Working on the math now. Also WR Harold Jackson was over 10K yards.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Doug, are you combing yardage (rush + rec)?

I am, he better be

 

[dgreen]

Seattle Seahawks should field a good team:QB Warren MoonRB Franco HarrisRB Lawrence MccutcheonWR Jerry RiceMy memory fails me in filling in the rest of the team. Anyone help out?Id

Ahman Green instead of Mccutcheon methinks.-QG

Working on the math now. Also WR Harold Jackson was over 10K yards.

Moon and Harris as current HOFers and Rice as the future lock and Jackson over 10k yards would match Doug's earlier comment about a particular team.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I think Pete Metzelaars is the Seahawks TE winner.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Seattle Seahawks

Warren Moon 51061

Franco Harris -- 14407

Ahman Green 11201

Jerry Rice -- 23540

Harold Jackson 10553

Pete Metzelaars 3686

Marcus Pollard -- 4007

114,769 Total Yards

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

pollard for Sea

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Okay when did Steve Largent play for the Oilers?-QG

He played for them during the preseason of his rookie year.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

pollard for Sea

good call! that bumps yards up by about 350. see edit above.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

By the way, one team has two hall of famers, one future hall of fame lock, plus a 10,000-yard receiver and an 8,000-yard rusher.

Per JoeT, Jerry Rice is not a HOF'er. I was convinced by his thread.

 

[JaxBill]

Jags are a tough team.

QB - Beuerlein

RB - Anthony Johnson? (Natrone Means had > 15% of his yards as a Jags

RB - Zack Crockett?

WR - Ernest Givins

WR-Andre Rison

TE - ???

 

[QuizGuy66]

Okay when did Steve Largent play for the Oilers?-QG

He played for them during the preseason of his rookie year.

Didn't quite realize that preseason counted... Anyhow, maybe somebody went to a Cowboys camp to fill out the RB2 spot:QB - BledsoeRB - E GeorgeWR - H CarmichaelWR - Jimmy SmithTE - Jackie Smith-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Interestingly, Ditka almost qualified for the Cowboys.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Jags are a tough team.QB - BeuerleinRB - Anthony Johnson? (Natrone Means had > 15% of his yards as a JagsRB - Zack Crockett?WR - Ernest GivinsWR-Andre RisonTE - ???

Pretty sure you got the RBs right. Another WR that comes close but Misses is Sean Dawkins with ~6300 career rec yards. best TE I could find was Greg Delong with 257 yards?

 

[JoeSteeler]

Okay when did Steve Largent play for the Oilers?-QG

He played for them during the preseason of his rookie year.

Didn't quite realize that preseason counted... Anyhow, maybe somebody went to a Cowboys camp to fill out the RB2 spot:QB - BledsoeRB - E GeorgeWR - H CarmichaelWR - Jimmy SmithTE - Jackie Smith-QG

Timmy Smith?