A little dynasty TE discussion... (1 Viewer)

[JFS171]

Couple of this thread's favorites returned to practice today - Brandon Bostick for Green Bay and Graham for Houston.

Either or both may have been dropped for the flavor of the week, and both are talented and in solid situations.

Act accordingly.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Seahawks TE Luke Willson will start while Zach Miller (ankle) is sidelined.

Willson, a 2013 fifth-rounder, is a toolsy pass-catching prospect who goes 6'5/251 with 4.51 speed. He can certainly stretch the seam Monday night against a Redskins defense getting shredded by tight ends, but volume in this spread-the-wealth passing attack will be a concern. Willson's snaps also project to be limited by his deficiencies as a blocker. We'd rather take a shot on Austin Seferian-Jenkins as a TE1 streamer.

Source: ESPN.com
Sep 30 - 11:36 PM

 

[cstu]

Will New York Giants opt for 'tight end by committee'?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360917/article/will-new-york-giants-opt-for-tight-end-by-committee

"Adrien Robinson and Larry Donnell are a couple of young guys who have been on the squad for a couple of years, but have had some injury stuff going on with them. We expect them to be healthy and to be able to pick up the slack here."

Totally whiffed on Donnell...too jaded by Myers' disappointment.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Right there with you whiffing on Donnel, but landing Kelce off waivers in June softens the blow... A little.

 

[AngryPatriot]

What about Ebron? might be worth a look or stash....

 

[loose circuits]

So TE always seems like the hardest position to learn in NFL outside of QB because they have blocking assignments and pass routes to learn. Rookie TEs rarely make an impact. Last year seemed to have some drafted fairly high and I think Ebron, Amaro, and ASJ will likely develop. However, how will the lower tier of TEs that were drafted fairly high emerge? There does not seem to be a strong crop of rookies, so they likely won't be replaced. I'm talking about:

Draft status is after their name

Troy Niklas 2nd round #20 Notre Dame Cardinals 3 38 12.7 0

C.J. Fiedorowicz 3rd round #1 Iowa Texans 4 28 7.0 1

Richard Rodgers 3rd round pick 34 California Packers 20 225 11.3 2

Crockett Gillmore 3rd round pick 35 Colorado State Ravens 10 121 12.1 1

 

[saintfool]

I'm big on Crockett. He's shaping up to be a bargain at his current price.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Some interesting FA TE moves as well. Cameron should improve, Clay? (maybe a downgrade), Graham to SEA (downgrade Wilson)

A few of the possible breakouts: Toilolo, Eifert, Escobar, Ebron, Amaro , kendricks, Rivera, Reed, Housler, graham/Fiedorowicz (Hou), Rivera....

Love Kelce this year, might be TE # 3

 

[Louche]

The way I see 2015...

Gronk is obviously way ahead for next season, but after that I think all these guys can be pretty close in scoring; Graham, Kelce, Olsen, Bennett, Walker, Cameron, Witten, Gates. A big question is if we'll see one or two of these older TEs finally start to tail off. Arguably you could separate Graham, Kelce, Olsen and Bennett in a separate tier.

I'm scared ####less about Jordan Reed. With his injury issues and them re-signing Niles Paul I've gotten rid of him in all my leagues. There's just too much risk.

I think we'll see a big drop in Julius' production. He'll fall down to the pack for sure, but I think he might even fall through that big second tier. I can't with confidence say that Julius will score more points than Jared Cook or Owen Daniels next season. I also expect both Allen and Fleener to regress. Allen can't maintain that TD pace and opposing defenses can't allow Fleener to get as open deep as he got last season. And the signing of Chandler took the air out of my hopes for Tim Wright.

Lots of owners have been picking up Josh Hill recently, and he is certainly worth a shot at current price, but as far as I could tell all his TDs last season happened more or less because half the defense was running after Jimmy Graham, and there's still plenty of time for them to bring in competition.

I'm still optimistic on both Ebron, ASJ, Amaro and Niklas. Love Eifert. Expect to see more of Ertz. I see Rudolph, Donnell and Rivera as wildcards. Liked Rivera last season but with the way they've been chasing every free agent TE I'd look to sell if I could get decent value.

The TEs I've been stashing to see where they end up playing are Housler and Gresham, and some deeper guys I'm monitoring are Demetrius Harris, Brandon Williams. I don't see it happening yet with Escobar, and I don't see it happening at all with Toilolo. I find the HOU and GBP TE situations difficult to navigate.

Value players are Delanie Walker, Jared Cook, Owen Daniels and Heath Miller. Dirt cheap and likely to end up as low TE1s.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Some interesting FA TE moves as well. Cameron should improve, Clay? (maybe a downgrade), Graham to SEA (downgrade Wilson)

A few of the possible breakouts: Toilolo, Eifert, Escobar, Ebron, Amaro , kendricks, Rivera, Reed, Housler, graham/Fiedorowicz (Hou), Rivera....

Love Kelce this year, might be TE # 3

To me, upgrade Wilson because of the Graham signing but it remains to be seen how Jimmy will be used there as Carol has no recent history of featuring the TE. At least Wilson now has one target worth a crap.

Toilolo - nope. Bad hands, too slow and Ryan doesn't trust him

Eifert - Maybe, seems like the prototype

Escobar - nope

Ebron - seems like a wasted 1st round pick by Detroit and Stafford really doesn't look his way enough for me to buy him.

Amaro - has a chance and might be a good guy to target but didn't show natural hands last year.

Reed - one more hit to the head away from being out of football

Housler - he's had his chance, shown nothing and I can't figure out why people are waiting for anything different

Rivera - he's a Raider, I'll pass

I agree with you on Kelce's potential but Alex Smith and that offense limits his upside. I'll take Greg Olsen ahead of him all day long. I will also be tracking Maxx Williams' landing spot. I see him being a very decent prospect, although slightly undersized at 6'4'' / 250, has long arms, big hands and has shown a natural ability to catch and play the position. Landing spot will dictate his value but the skill set is there.

 

[Faust]

Aaron Rodgers praises Quarless for "great offseason"

 

[Warpig]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson sets third-round TE Tyler Kroft's rookie over-under at 25 catches.

25 catches is a solid season from any rookie tight end. We'd take the under on Kroft, who will serve as the in-line complement to flex TE Tyler Eifert. Kroft could pop onto the streamer radar if Eifert suffers another injury.

Source: bengals.com
Jun 15 - 11:18 PM

 

[Dan Hindery]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

In terms of Kroft specifically, I think he will be a better NFL player than dynasty option. Bengals and OC Hue Jackson badly wanted a top notch run blocking TE to complement Tyler Eifert as the receiving TE and what really attracted them to Kroft was not his receiving stats in 2013 but his work as almost exclusively an inline blocker in 2014. They will throw it to Kroft some to keep teams honest, but I'd be pretty surprised if he ever becomes fantasy relevant.

Walford and Williams look like the two main dynasty guys to watch at this point in what was a pretty weak draft class at the position.

Jeff Heuerman is also worth mentioning and potentially worth an IR stash in deep leagues (depending upon your league's IR rules). Especially if Manning comes back for another year in 2016. He's an underrated athlete and has a great shot to win the starting TE job long-term in Denver once he recovers from his recent torn ACL.

 

[saintfool]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

Norv Turner lobbied to get Pruitt and that's a good thing. If Rudolph somehow stays healthy - he's in a contract year, I think, so might be willing to - then Pruitt is less valuable but definitely worth a stash.

Kroft was the TE that Greg Cosell liked the most. He liked that he could block but was underrated as a pass catcher. He's going to get PT as blocker and that helps with the learning curve. He's got a shot at dynasty value long term and as a back up to Eifert.

 

[Faust]

Finding the Fits: MyCole Pruitt brings versatility to Vikings' offense

What we've learned about the rookies: TE MyCole Pruitt

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Raiders reporter Bill Williamson says third-round TE Clive Walford will "get his chance early."

Williamson projects Walford as the Week 1 starter ahead of Mychal Rivera. Ultimately, we'll likely see a lot of two-TE sets featuring Walford in-line and Rivera in the "move" role. It's hard to get excited about either one from a fantasy perspective given Derek Carr's limitations and the team's desire to be run-heavy.

Related: Mychal Rivera

Source: ESPN.com
May 14 - 12:40 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ravens sixth-round WR Darren Waller could see snaps at tight end.

Coach John Harbaugh made the disclosure on Tuesday. Harbaugh made sure to specify it would be as a "pass-catching" tight end. It's a bit of surprise, as Waller doesn't lumber the way his 6-foot-6, 238-pound frame would suggest. He clocked a 4.46 40 at the Combine, and added a 37-inch vertical and 10-foot-5 broad jump. It could just be an indication the Ravens will be creative as they look for ways to get Waller on the field.

Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter
May 12 - 6:26 PM

 

[Faust]

Dynasty & Redraft: TE Clive Walford, Raiders
Dynasty & Redraft: TE Maxx Williams, Ravens

 

[Faust]

Ravens Fantasy Preview

Excerpt:

Maxx Williams will play flex tight end in Trestman's offense, where Martellus Bennett set back-to-back career highs in catches and yards the past two seasons. The Ravens have bulked up in-line TE Crockett Gillmore from 260 to 275 pounds, suggesting Gillmore will be used like a sixth offensive lineman. Williams would seem to have a ton of year-one opportunity, but has already openly admitted mastering the Ravens' playbook is a challenge, and tested out athletically in the Brent Celek range at the Combine. Perhaps most concerning is the negative history of rookie tight ends. Since Jeremy Shockey went 74-894-2 in 2002, only one NFL rookie tight end has topped 600 yards (John Carlson, 627). Probably the most reasonable expectation for Williams is a first year along the lines of Heath Miller (39-459-6) or Zach Ertz (36-469-4). And if Williams doesn't master that playbook, he'll wind up playing limited snaps.

 

[Biabreakable]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

MyCole Pruitt who was drafted by the Vikings is an interesting DEEP sleeper option from the 2015 draft class.

He actually has some good athleticism unlike the other TE prospects of 2015

6' 2"

251 lbs

40 time 4.42 4.52 4.63

Bench reps 17

Vertical jump 38"

Broad Jump 9' 10"

Short Shuttle 4.37

3 cone 7.25

Although it was against a lower level of competition Pruitt averaged 4 receptions per game in each of his four seasons with Southern Illinois.

Stats

MyCole Pruitt Is the Best 2015 Tight End Prospect You Haven't Heard of

I consider Pruitt to be a tier 3 prospect, so depending on roster size I question if he is worth considering. But in deeper leagues I could see picking him up.

The Vikings signed AC Leonard after the 2014 draft who has a similar physical profile to Pruitt, both of them being 6' 2" and primarily receiving options not blockers.

Obviously Pruitt has Kyle Rudolph, Rhett Ellison and Chase Ford ahead of him on the depth chart. It is not even certain he will make the team. But reportedly Turner really likes him, pounding the table for Pruitt when the Vikings were looking to address other positions. Turner does seem to have a plan in mind for a player of Pruitt's skill set.

Could be had with a 4th round rookie pick or perhaps just picked up in free agency.

 

[Biabreakable]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

Norv Turner lobbied to get Pruitt and that's a good thing. If Rudolph somehow stays healthy - he's in a contract year, I think, so might be willing to - then Pruitt is less valuable but definitely worth a stash.

Kroft was the TE that Greg Cosell liked the most. He liked that he could block but was underrated as a pass catcher. He's going to get PT as blocker and that helps with the learning curve. He's got a shot at dynasty value long term and as a back up to Eifert.

Rudolph signed a 5 year deal with the Vikings in 2014. So he is under contract for the next 4 seasons.

However he has not been able to stay healthy. So this is a bit of a prove it year for Rudolph in that regard. As long as he is healthy and performs well he should be the Vikings main TE for awhile.If not then I think Pruitt gets a crack at being that guy for the Vikings.

 

[saintfool]

Any thoughts on the TE's from the 2015 draft class? Doesn't appear to be any studs in the group yet I'm hearing good things about Walford, and Kroft. Haven't really heard anything about Williams or the others. I know Mayock said he likes Pruitt in Minnesota. There's also Jesse James in Pittsburgh. Any one hearing anything about any of the TEs other than Williams?

Norv Turner lobbied to get Pruitt and that's a good thing. If Rudolph somehow stays healthy - he's in a contract year, I think, so might be willing to - then Pruitt is less valuable but definitely worth a stash.

Kroft was the TE that Greg Cosell liked the most. He liked that he could block but was underrated as a pass catcher. He's going to get PT as blocker and that helps with the learning curve. He's got a shot at dynasty value long term and as a back up to Eifert.

Rudolph signed a 5 year deal with the Vikings in 2014. So he is under contract for the next 4 seasons.

However he has not been able to stay healthy. So this is a bit of a prove it year for Rudolph in that regard. As long as he is healthy and performs well he should be the Vikings main TE for awhile.If not then I think Pruitt gets a crack at being that guy for the Vikings.

Looking at his contract, Rudolph isn't in danger of being a cap casualty until 2017. Clearest path for relevance then for Pruitt would be injury.

 

[Warpig]

Anyone have more info on this Jesse James kid? Seems to only have Miller in front of him and he's a big kid (6'7"?).

 

[Faust]

Mike Reiss ‏@MikeReiss 5m5 minutes ago

Patriots 2nd mandatory minicamp concludes. TE Scott Chandler, who was sidelined late Tuesday (holding right side of body), did not practice.

 

[Faust]

Anyone have more info on this Jesse James kid? Seems to only have Miller in front of him and he's a big kid (6'7"?).

Steelers Player Preview: Jesse James

Steelers rookie Jesse James finds mentor in Heath Miller

The Steelers feeble attempt to address the future of the tight end position

Report: Pittsburgh Steelers placed waiver claim on FA TE Tim Wright

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Penn State TE Jesse James "was under-utilized in Penn State's offense" and "he'll prove more effective in the NFL," according to CBS Sports' Rob Rang.

"James, frankly, was under-utilized in Penn State's offense and I think he'll prove more effective in the NFL if for nothing else because of his height, leaping ability and ball-skills as a red zone target. His height, speed and leaping ability (10-1" broad jump, 37.5" vertical) finished first and second, respectively, among tight ends at the Combine this year," Rang wrote. The 6-foot-7, 261-pound James has been making his rounds as of late, as he's visited or worked out for the Steelers, Packers, Chargers, Eagles and Ravens.

Apr 17 - 3:01 PM
Source: CBS Sports

Penn State TE Jesse James posted 40-yard dash times of 4.86 and 4.83 and added a 10-foot-1 broad jump at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Get ready to hear more of James' name over the next week. These numbers are outstanding for a prospect who measured into the event at 6-foot-7, 261 pounds with 33" arms and 9 3/8" hands. James' broad jump, in fact, bests the showings of Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski during their respective testing. We wouldn't be surprised if he runs in the 4.7s at Penn State's pro day, either. This is the rare inline tight end with athleticism.

Feb 20 - 2:49 PM

Penn State TE Jesse James "could get into the low 4.7’s during his forty and over 35-inches on the vertical jump," reported TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline.

James measured in at 6-foot-7, 261 pounds at the combine with 33" arms and 9 3/8" hands. "I’m told James has also run good shuttle times in training," Pauline added. We'd previously heard his 40 time reported at 4.78, with 27 reps of 225 pounds on the bench.

Source: TFY Draft Insider
Feb 19 - 7:41 PM

A weak 2015 tight end class could prompt underclassmen such as Penn State junior TE Jesse James to jump to the pros early, observed CBS Sports' Rob Rang.

James "showed the combination of size, agility and acceleration that project well to the NFL" in Saturday's performance against Maryland, which included five catches for 48 yards, according to Rang. "James isn't as powerful as a blocker as his size and reported weight room strength (27 reps of 225 pounds in a preseason charity event) suggest," the analyst wrote. "He's broad and competitive enough to seal off defenders but doesn't get much push at the line of scrimmage. However, James supplied a key downfield block to spring [QB Christian] Hackenberg for a 17-yard gain on Penn State's go-ahead fourth quarter scoring drive." The 6-foot-7, 254-pound junior runs a 4.78 forty.

Source: CBS Sports
Sun, Nov 2, 2014 01:24:00 PM

 

[Faust]

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 1m1 minute ago

O'Brien "Fiedorowicz is a very improved player. He's had a good spring. Has good knowledge of what we're doing. Very competitive position."

Past the rookie wall, C.J. Fiedorowicz making progress

 

[Faust]

Tight end MyCole Pruitt catching Vikings' eyes:

http://www.startribune.com/mycole-pruitt-catching-vikings-eyes/307887851/

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Everyone pegs Kelce as the young TE to break out into a stud this year, and I think there's great potential for that to happen. But people are sleeping on Ertz as the young TE set to become a stud.

If I didn't own Gronk, maybe Olsen, the only guys I'd want to pay the requisite price for would be Kelce or Ertz, otherwise I'd just wait forever and pick from the scrap pile of older low-end TE1's and play the numbers.

 

[Zyphros]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Falcons TE Tony Moeaki will enter training camp healthy.

It's more surprising when Moeaki is actually intact than when he's sidelined. The talented athlete has dealt with elbow, hand, leg, concussion, ACL, shoulder and hamstring issues in his career, resulting in him bouncing around the fringe of rosters. Still only 28, Moeaki will try to stay healthy and beat out favorite Jacob Tamme for pass-catching tight end duties in August.

Related: Jacob Tamme

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jun 25 - 9:32 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Bills intend to use Charles Clay on all three downs.

The Bills showed how high they were on Clay by making him the NFL's highest-paid tight end over the next three years. He's going to be an every-down player and his ADP is currently undrafted. There's not a ton of upside given the Bills' offensive philosophy and quarterback situation, but 60 catches is well within reach.

Source: WGR 550 Buffalo
Jun 25 - 9:18 AM

 

[Faust]

Denver Broncos: Full Position Breakdown and Depth Chart Analysis at Tight End

 

[TheFanatic]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

 

[Blackjacks]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

I will give you a 6th rd draft pick Scotty

 

[TheFanatic]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

I will give you a 6th rd draft pick Scotty

And I'll give you Justin Blackmon

 

[Blackjacks]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

I will give you a 6th rd draft pick Scotty

And I'll give you Justin Blackmon

I got Ray Rice, Riley Cooper and Bernard Pierce......I am sure we can come up with something

 

[tangfoot]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

This seems like the classic "throwing good money after bad" scenario. I cut bait on Ebron this year (and IMO upgraded to Ertz), even though lots of sites and lists show Ebron as the better dynasty choice.

 

[Zyphros]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

This seems like the classic "throwing good money after bad" scenario. I cut bait on Ebron this year (and IMO upgraded to Ertz), even though lots of sites and lists show Ebron as the better dynasty choice.

Funny cause I bought Ebron everywhere I could.

 

[TheFanatic]

There's really no young TE to grab. Sure you can go for Eifert and Ebron, but most of the guys who own them are not moving them. There are some Amaro and ASJ supporters and sure they are pretty good young TE prospects, but other than that there really isn't many young options to go and grab on the cheap. It's pick your poison between cheap options where none have proven a damn thing. The landscape is so different than what we as dynasty owners might be use to.

That's the thing. I drafted Eiffert his rookie season in both of my leagues. Sure, he's disappointed so far, but TE's don't generally light it up their rookie or even second seasons. I would need a pretty serious draft pick to move the guy. I expect him to do great things this year and have essentially wasted a roster spot on the guy for 2 years in 2 leagues. I'm not giving him up for a bubble prospect. There are other owners that might, but most have so much invested in him (high pick and 2 years of fruitless roster spot) that I'm sort of pot committed and have to hold with him...

This seems like the classic "throwing good money after bad" scenario. I cut bait on Ebron this year (and IMO upgraded to Ertz), even though lots of sites and lists show Ebron as the better dynasty choice.

Eiffert no longer has Gresham to compete for balls and is healthy. He's primed to tear it up.

And cutting Ebron is a mistake after 1 season. VERY few TE's tear it up before their third season. It's not good money after bad, it's not being patient enough to watch that investment grow. I was lucky enough in one league to get Ertz after he was cast off by his owner to go along with Eiffert. In another league, I got Fleener for a 3rd rounder. I'll take Luck's good buddy from college in a skill position all day long.

The lesson is, you have sit on TE's for a while as they have to learn to both be a receiver and a blocker. Here are a few notable TE's from recent memory in their rookie year:

Gates 389 and 2 TD's

Shannon Sharpe 99 and 1

Gonzo 368 and 2

Jimmy Graham 356 and 5

Sure, Gronk had 546 and 10, but he's definitely the outlier. Those 4 above are in the hall or well on their way to be there and they had abysmal rookie seasons in terms of FFB.

 

[Run It Up]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

 

[tangfoot]

The lesson is, you have sit on TE's for a while as they have to learn to both be a receiver and a blocker. Here are a few notable TE's from recent memory in their rookie year:

Gates 389 and 2 TD's

Shannon Sharpe 99 and 1

Gonzo 368 and 2

Jimmy Graham 356 and 5

Sure, Gronk had 546 and 10, but he's definitely the outlier. Those 4 above are in the hall or well on their way to be there and they had abysmal rookie seasons in terms of FFB.

I completely agree, but the battlefield is also littered with TEs who never developed into the guy. Pointing out 4 HOF-level TEs as examples is silly when there are many more guys who get opportunities every year that never amount to that.

I read this as you saying that Ebron has a high chance of developing into a HOF player. Did any of these guys have his dropsies?

 

[TheFanatic]

The lesson is, you have sit on TE's for a while as they have to learn to both be a receiver and a blocker. Here are a few notable TE's from recent memory in their rookie year:

Gates 389 and 2 TD's

Shannon Sharpe 99 and 1

Gonzo 368 and 2

Jimmy Graham 356 and 5

Sure, Gronk had 546 and 10, but he's definitely the outlier. Those 4 above are in the hall or well on their way to be there and they had abysmal rookie seasons in terms of FFB.

I completely agree, but the battlefield is also littered with TEs who never developed into the guy. Pointing out 4 HOF-level TEs as examples is silly when there are many more guys who get opportunities every year that never amount to that.

I read this as you saying that Ebron has a high chance of developing into a HOF player. Did any of these guys have his dropsies?

Then you read that completely wrong. I'm saying that even HOF players start off slow. That pretty much only Gronk had an amazing FFB year as a rookie. I can't think of another TE that lit it up like that as a rookie. Aaron Hernandez has a decent year his first year (close to 600 yards and 5-6 TD's) but I can't think of anyone else that has.

What I'm saying is that not even these studs did that. So dropping Ebron now is foolish. Sure, Ebron might never amount to anything, but basing it on one season is a fallacial argument. And I don't even care that fallacial isn't a word. I like it.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Gonzo only had 30 catches is rookie yr and then 60 his 2nd. It took him 3 or 4 yrs before he was a fantasy stud muffin

 

[georg013]

Unless you have a crystal ball you have no way of knowing how they will turn out. But for a guy like Ebron, in that offense, with that coordinator, and that quarterback, and those pieces around him, in that division, you have to exercise more patience. No two ways about it. Dont buy into the group think of immediate gratification. Tough to do in a year where receivers blew the top off but smart owners know better. Ertz is not a bad consolation though.

 

[Terpman22]

Jeremy Shockey went nuts his rookie year.

 

[cstu]

Jeremy Shockey went nuts his rookie year.

And Ebron had 8 less catches than Gonzo.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jeremy Shockey went nuts his rookie year.

Shockey was a great FF TE, when he played

 

[cheese]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.