A lot of good Rookie RBs this year but is Chris Johnson really the bes (1 Viewer)

[BoDySnAtChAz_216]

Chris Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqEbCw60IE

Steve Slaton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFqO4mYjSc

Matt Forte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YfKjdB9-Ek

Darren McFadden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZ56Yjpju0

Peyton Hillis

Ray Rice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOx-kyutjA

Felix Jones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-j2xx9yxgQ

Personally I think Slaton is the best out of the bunch, very fast, his leg drive and balance is very underrated he runs it the hardest.

 

[Banger]

I think CJ is definitely the best. I think he's the most talented, has a great coach, great running system and he's got the speed that just can't be taught.

 

[TitusIII]

Time will certainly tell, check back in 5 years...

Johnson/Forte/Slaton are all in excellent systems/climates for sustained success, I really can't pick a horse at this point in time...

Will Johnson's body hold up? Will Forte re-injure his knee? Is Slaton a product of the zone-blocking scheme? Will Mendenhall emerge in 2009? Will the real McFadden stand up? Can Stewart get on the field with a legit stud in front of him? Will the Boys put the load on Felix's shoulders? What is McGahee's deal and will Rice take his job in 2009? Peyton Hillis?!!

...and don't forget Kevin Smith, he very impressive in the second half.

All I can say is, what an amazing, incredible class of runners...enjoy it boys!

 

[JPeso]

Johnson/Forte/Slaton are all in excellent system's/climates for success, I really can't pick a horse at this point in time...

Houston is going to add to that backfield, making Slaton a prime sell-high in dynasty. Forte and C. Johnson are both deserving of first round initial dynasty picks next season, but I'd much rather C. Johnson, and would pass on Forte at his current going rate.

 

[Banger]

Johnson/Forte/Slaton are all in excellent system's/climates for success, I really can't pick a horse at this point in time...

Houston is going to add to that backfield, making Slaton a prime sell-high in dynasty. Forte and C. Johnson are both deserving of first round initial dynasty picks next season, but I'd much rather C. Johnson, and would pass on Forte at his current going rate.

I think Forte will be overvalued next year and I'm sure I won't get him on any of my teams.

 

[Pots]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

 

[ceo3west]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

 

[Banger]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

To me you have to look at the whole equation...I watch Forte and I'll probably get flamed for this but I just don't think he's anything special. He's in a good spot and had a ton of touches (363) which led to a very good season. CJ on the other hand had 69 fewer touches and only had 27 fewer fantasy points. There's a very good chance that CJ can/will take a bigger bite of the offense while I don't think the same is true for Forte.Always go with talent when viewing RB's long term and CJ>>Forte's talent.

 

[geoff8695]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

Forte is a workhorse who runs between the tackles ALOT, and he is the best receiver out of the backfield of all the rookie RBs this year. He also accounted for a higher % of his team's yards from scrimmage, and a higher % of touches than ANY other player in the entire NFL this season (including LT2, ADP, Etc.). I happen to own Johnson in a dynasty league, and now I regret having selected him over Forte. I'm still happy to own Johnson, but I'm convinced that Forte has ALL the skills necessary to excel in NFL or fantasy terms, and has the toughness to withstand the pounding that comes with being a bellcow #1 RB. I'm not saying that Johnson isn't tough, but his role has been defined this season and it's as 1/2 of a RBBC and it doesn't include goal line duty. Forte performed as a top 5 RB in his rookie year while playing on a mediocre Bears offense when everyone knew that the offense revolved around him. I think that qualifies as 'special'...Oh and if you were to poll NFL GMs on who they would prefer, no way do 95% of them take Johnson. I suspect that the majority of them would take Forte.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LBJ

Forte

Slaton

McFadden

Stewart

Mendy

Felix

R.Rice

what a great class

 

[Ilov80s]

LBJForteSlatonMcFaddenStewartMendyFelixR.Ricewhat a great class

Don't forget about Kevin Smith as well. 1200 total yards and 8 TDs on a terrible team. His 4.1 ypc is especially impressive considering how hard he had to work for every yard as the o-line is pretty weak.

 

[Banger]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

Forte is a workhorse who runs between the tackles ALOT, and he is the best receiver out of the backfield of all the rookie RBs this year. He also accounted for a higher % of his team's yards from scrimmage, and a higher % of touches than ANY other player in the entire NFL this season (including LT2, ADP, Etc.). I happen to own Johnson in a dynasty league, and now I regret having selected him over Forte. I'm still happy to own Johnson, but I'm convinced that Forte has ALL the skills necessary to excel in NFL or fantasy terms, and has the toughness to withstand the pounding that comes with being a bellcow #1 RB. I'm not saying that Johnson isn't tough, but his role has been defined this season and it's as 1/2 of a RBBC and it doesn't include goal line duty. Forte performed as a top 5 RB in his rookie year while playing on a mediocre Bears offense when everyone knew that the offense revolved around him. I think that qualifies as 'special'...Oh and if you were to poll NFL GMs on who they would prefer, no way do 95% of them take Johnson. I suspect that the majority of them would take Forte.

I disagree. I don't see how you can say that CJ's role has been defined after 1 season. I don't think they've scratched the surface yet. The Titans essentially had a dream season where they were able to manage their RB's exactly the way they wanted. Run CJ early, get the lead, have White mop up. When push comes to shove and they need to win the game they will rely on CJ. He's a very good receiver and they will line him up wide which they haven't really done yet (they'll probably unveil it in the playoffs I'd imagine). CJ is a very talented receiver out of the backfield but they just haven't needed to use him in that capacity very often although he still had 43 catches to Forte's 61. Consider upside..if you had to put both side by side who has the ability to increase their TD's more, their touches, their % of the offense? To me the answer is easily CJ.

 

[ceo3west]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

Forte is a workhorse who runs between the tackles ALOT, and he is the best receiver out of the backfield of all the rookie RBs this year. He also accounted for a higher % of his team's yards from scrimmage, and a higher % of touches than ANY other player in the entire NFL this season (including LT2, ADP, Etc.). I happen to own Johnson in a dynasty league, and now I regret having selected him over Forte. I'm still happy to own Johnson, but I'm convinced that Forte has ALL the skills necessary to excel in NFL or fantasy terms, and has the toughness to withstand the pounding that comes with being a bellcow #1 RB. I'm not saying that Johnson isn't tough, but his role has been defined this season and it's as 1/2 of a RBBC and it doesn't include goal line duty. Forte performed as a top 5 RB in his rookie year while playing on a mediocre Bears offense when everyone knew that the offense revolved around him. I think that qualifies as 'special'...Oh and if you were to poll NFL GMs on who they would prefer, no way do 95% of them take Johnson. I suspect that the majority of them would take Forte.

If you want to talk about focal points of an offense, CJ has been that all year long. And last time I checked Chicago's passing game is > Tennesee's. The Titans are 8-8 at best without CJ this year - basically what they were last year. As another poster mentioned, CJ had 69 fewer touches and averaged only 1.7 ppg less than Forte. That tells me all I need to know.We'll agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Pauli Walnuts]

I'd put Kevin Smith above Rice, F. Jones, Mendy, Hillis and McFadden (just based on this year)

The kid's a workhorse who can catch out of the backfield and I love his attitude. Give him a real O-line and he'd be special.

 

[TitusIII]

Forte isn't a superstar, but he is far from average. His run-blocking unit is sub-par, and he still produces more often than not. He is a perfect for the Chicago Bears.

Again, this class boggles the mind, and tracking these cats over the next five years will be interesting!

 

[lyon812]

Johnson/Forte/Slaton are all in excellent system's/climates for success, I really can't pick a horse at this point in time...

Houston is going to add to that backfield, making Slaton a prime sell-high in dynasty. Forte and C. Johnson are both deserving of first round initial dynasty picks next season, but I'd much rather C. Johnson, and would pass on Forte at his current going rate.

People continually are misperceiving Johnson and Slaton. Slaton: 268 rushes, 4.8ypc; 50 rec, 7.5 ypraverage carries per game: 16.75average touches per game: 19.875Johnson: 251 rushes, 4.9ypc; 43 rec, 6.0ypraverage carries per game: 16.73average touches per game: 18.375If Kubiak wants to reduce Slaton's workload, it's not going to be below 16 touches a game. It's going to be taking those 21/24/26 carry games (weeks 12-15) and reducing them by 5-10, in which case he'll match Johnson. The only difference is that Johnson was given those 18 touches from the start, while Slaton worked his way into the dominant role. Also, if you examine play distribution, Slaton had 69 red zone opportunities (17 inside 5), and other RBs had 27 (6 inside 6). Meanwhile, Johnson had 39 (4 inside 5), and other running backs had 53 (23 inside 5). If Houston brings in another running back, that RB will take over the 27 that were held down by Green, Leach, et al, and maybe a handful more. It certainly isn't going to diminish the huge advantage in plays, or the fact that Johnson's been in a time share since Day 1--and while Slaton's shown he can handle an increased role, Johnson's going to be shackled to White for another couple of years.

 

[Q-Bert]

LBJForteSlatonMcFaddenStewartMendyFelixR.Ricewhat a great class

Who is LBJ?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Chris Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqEbCw60IE

Steve Slaton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFqO4mYjSc

Matt Forte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YfKjdB9-Ek

Darren McFadden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZ56Yjpju0

Peyton Hillis

Did you see Slaton get run down so easily yesterday?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LBJForteSlatonMcFaddenStewartMendyFelixR.Ricewhat a great class

Who is LBJ?

alot of people have been calling Chris Johnson - LBJ for little blue jesus. I didnt make that up

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

LBJForteSlatonMcFaddenStewartMendyFelixR.Ricewhat a great class

Who is LBJ?

I think he was involved in the assassination of JFK. Also one of the worst Presidents we've ever had. His first name could have been Mistake.

 

[Buckna]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

Forte is a workhorse who runs between the tackles ALOT, and he is the best receiver out of the backfield of all the rookie RBs this year. He also accounted for a higher % of his team's yards from scrimmage, and a higher % of touches than ANY other player in the entire NFL this season (including LT2, ADP, Etc.). I happen to own Johnson in a dynasty league, and now I regret having selected him over Forte. I'm still happy to own Johnson, but I'm convinced that Forte has ALL the skills necessary to excel in NFL or fantasy terms, and has the toughness to withstand the pounding that comes with being a bellcow #1 RB. I'm not saying that Johnson isn't tough, but his role has been defined this season and it's as 1/2 of a RBBC and it doesn't include goal line duty. Forte performed as a top 5 RB in his rookie year while playing on a mediocre Bears offense when everyone knew that the offense revolved around him. I think that qualifies as 'special'...Oh and if you were to poll NFL GMs on who they would prefer, no way do 95% of them take Johnson. I suspect that the majority of them would take Forte.

If you want to talk about focal points of an offense, CJ has been that all year long. And last time I checked Chicago's passing game is > Tennesee's. The Titans are 8-8 at best without CJ this year - basically what they were last year. As another poster mentioned, CJ had 69 fewer touches and averaged only 1.7 ppg less than Forte. That tells me all I need to know.We'll agree to disagree I guess.

The Titans were 10-6 last year and a playoff team. 3 of their losses came while Albert Haynesworth was out of the lineup too. The 2007 Tenn Titans were 1st in rushing attempts, 5th in yards and 5th in TD's. The 2008 Titans are 4th in rushing attempts, 6th in yards and 2nd in TD's. People act like the Titans never had an offense before Chris Johnson got there. That's simply not the case.Chicago's passing offense is 13th in attempts, 23rd in yards and 17th in TD's. Tenn is 26th in attempts, 24th in yards and 27th in TD's. Considering the difference in attempts, I'd consider them fairly close, I'd even say Chicago is worse at throwing the ball considering the frequency of how often they throw and the poor results.

 

[Q-Bert]

LBJForteSlatonMcFaddenStewartMendyFelixR.Ricewhat a great class

Who is LBJ?

alot of people have been calling Chris Johnson - LBJ for little blue jesus. I didnt make that up

Thanks.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Matt Forte

 

[Banger]

Forte > all, and I'm not an owner

Have to disagree with this. Johnson would have put up 2000+ total yards and 20+ TD's if not for Lendale vulturing yards & TD's. Johnson is a special back. Nothing against Forte, but I'm sure 95% of NFL GM's would take CJ in a heartbeat given this choice.

Forte is a workhorse who runs between the tackles ALOT, and he is the best receiver out of the backfield of all the rookie RBs this year. He also accounted for a higher % of his team's yards from scrimmage, and a higher % of touches than ANY other player in the entire NFL this season (including LT2, ADP, Etc.). I happen to own Johnson in a dynasty league, and now I regret having selected him over Forte. I'm still happy to own Johnson, but I'm convinced that Forte has ALL the skills necessary to excel in NFL or fantasy terms, and has the toughness to withstand the pounding that comes with being a bellcow #1 RB. I'm not saying that Johnson isn't tough, but his role has been defined this season and it's as 1/2 of a RBBC and it doesn't include goal line duty. Forte performed as a top 5 RB in his rookie year while playing on a mediocre Bears offense when everyone knew that the offense revolved around him. I think that qualifies as 'special'...Oh and if you were to poll NFL GMs on who they would prefer, no way do 95% of them take Johnson. I suspect that the majority of them would take Forte.

If you want to talk about focal points of an offense, CJ has been that all year long. And last time I checked Chicago's passing game is > Tennesee's. The Titans are 8-8 at best without CJ this year - basically what they were last year. As another poster mentioned, CJ had 69 fewer touches and averaged only 1.7 ppg less than Forte. That tells me all I need to know.We'll agree to disagree I guess.

The Titans were 10-6 last year and a playoff team. 3 of their losses came while Albert Haynesworth was out of the lineup too. The 2007 Tenn Titans were 1st in rushing attempts, 5th in yards and 5th in TD's. The 2008 Titans are 4th in rushing attempts, 6th in yards and 2nd in TD's. People act like the Titans never had an offense before Chris Johnson got there. That's simply not the case.Chicago's passing offense is 13th in attempts, 23rd in yards and 17th in TD's. Tenn is 26th in attempts, 24th in yards and 27th in TD's. Considering the difference in attempts, I'd consider them fairly close, I'd even say Chicago is worse at throwing the ball considering the frequency of how often they throw and the poor results.

Ya, but the offense was very different last year compared to this year. Last year it was the Vince Young show and they led the league in rushes due to VY's 93 carries. This year they actually had 30 more RB carries than last year. The addition of Johnson turned them from a team that snuck in as a wildcard over Clev. to the 1st seed in the AFC. One thing that is for certain though is that a Fisher team will run the ball and play defense.