A.Mcpherson now -compared to A.Mcpherson last year (1 Viewer)

[Sanboy]

I remember last year at this time .. there were many many many

posts about QB-A.Mcpherson and that he wherever he ended up was a " giant " sleeper on athletic talent alone .. some where even comparing him as a " poor man and young " version of M.Vick ..

now a year later ... and no interest ( it appears ) by the saints to even possibly keep him on the roster - read many places where he will have to battle just to stay on the roster as the # 3 this year ....

what is everyones thoughts 1 year later on this guys future

I personally think the " hype" got out of control last year because of the sketchy past he has and didnt even deserve to be drafted as high as he was .... my gut says he will never be anything more than the next QB-Tory Woodbury ( great athelete but thats about it ) ....

 

[Kleck.]

Most overhyped player last year. He's still a long term project.

 

[cstu]

There's little chance of him getting cut. The Saints knew he wouldn't be ready right away so he may still be the #3 QB this year.

 

[cstu]

http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...PORTS/601020382

 

[guderian]

There's little chance of him getting cut. The Saints knew he wouldn't be ready right away so he may still be the #3 QB this year.

You are probably right, but Payton said (regarding McPherson and Bouman) something to the effect of "they may not know it, but they are competing against players that aren't on our roster"--meaning that they are both playing to stay on the team.

 

[hobbes4]

There's little chance of him getting cut.  The Saints knew he wouldn't be ready right away so he may still be the #3 QB this year.

You are probably right, but Payton said (regarding McPherson and Bouman) something to the effect of "they may not know it, but they are competing against players that aren't on our roster"--meaning that they are both playing to stay on the team.

He was only talking about Bouman..

 

[EBF]

You are probably right, but Payton said (regarding McPherson and Bouman) something to the effect of "they may not know it, but they are competing against players that aren't on our roster"--meaning that they are both playing to stay on the team.

I wouldn't read much into that comment. It sounds like typical coachspeak. McPherson has always been a long term project. I was a big supporter of his last year, but even I didn't expect him to make any kind of an impact for at least a year or two. Keep in mind that this guy is even less experienced than guys like Vince Young, Alex Smith, and Matt Leinart. He only played one half season of college and one season of AFL.

Experience-wise, he was basically a college junior last season. It would be silly to expect immediate returns from such an inexperienced QB, but I think he remains an intriguing prospect due to his rare combination of physical skills and natural football ability. He's a guy to put at the end of your bench for a few years. If he doesn't pan out, then you haven't lost anything but the roster spot. If he works hard and stays out of trouble, then you could have the next McNabb.

 

[cstu]

You are probably right, but Payton said (regarding McPherson and Bouman) something to the effect of "they may not know it, but they are competing against players that aren't on our roster"--meaning that they are both playing to stay on the team.

I wouldn't read much into that comment. It sounds like typical coachspeak. McPherson has always been a long term project. I was a big supporter of his last year, but even I didn't expect him to make any kind of an impact for at least a year or two. Keep in mind that this guy is even less experienced than guys like Vince Young, Alex Smith, and Matt Leinart. He only played one half season of college and one season of AFL.

Experience-wise, he was basically a college junior last season. It would be silly to expect immediate returns from such an inexperienced QB, but I think he remains an intriguing prospect due to his rare combination of physical skills and natural football ability. He's a guy to put at the end of your bench for a few years. If he doesn't pan out, then you haven't lost anything but the roster spot. If he works hard and stays out of trouble, then you could have the next McNabb.

McPherson's main problem is running an NFL offense since he has mostly relied on his physical talent so far. However, since he is cheap for the Saints to keep they have no reason to not try and develop him. I like everything I've heard from him since the draft, but he is very raw and will take time before he's ready to start in the NFL.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

It will be interesting to see how much playing time Payton gives AM in the preseason. I don't believe that they'll cut him, knowing that he's still a year away from contributing ANYTHING. It will be imperative to AM's future in NO's that he has a nice showing in training camp and preseason. Patience is needed when considering AM for those deep dynasty leagues.

If it's next year at this time and we're hearing how he hasn't developed like they've hoped then you can probably call him done.

 

[cowboyz]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

 

[WisWolvrns]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

because he is raw... i guess very raw... so staying home and working only on NO offense would help more than learning a whole other offense for NFL Europe?

 

[Bri]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

because he is raw... i guess very raw... so staying home and working only on NO offense would help more than learning a whole other offense for NFL Europe?

timing of the coaching change. Sending a QB(top 3, not PS guy) is a big deal that gets debated about before it happens. For example Henson went this year and probably should have gone last year but Parcells wasn't on board with it....I would expect McPherson would do well in NFLE. That's the impression i get from any review of him. NFLE is right in line with the "He dominated the Arena league but might not be ready or good enough for the NFL."

I wouldn't discredit Payton's comments mentioned above. A "project" is a product of one staff that sees something in him and develops him. They often get cut when a new staff comes on board as they were the previous staff's "baby". Of course, he could just be attempting to motivate them thru the press but I wouldn't consider him a "lock" just yet.

 

[carlosnphilly]

Nothing's changed. He's still 22 years old & will be the Saints #3 QB. If nothing else, I think fantasy folk will give up on him too soon.

I don't for a second believe the Saints would drop him because someone will gobble him up quicker than you can say "Why didn't the Vikings just trade a late round pick for McPherson vs. drafting Jackson, another project, in Round 2".

He could head to Europe next year. Does that determine whether he's going to make it or not? Not really. Brees is by no chance a sure thing to last another for the next 5 years. I think it's a good thing for McPherson owners that the Saints are attached to Brees......vs. having drafted another franchise QB.

Remember Pennington was at one time considered the franchise QB for the Jets. Brees just doesn't scream at me like a guy that's going to remain a starting QB into his 30's.

 

[Wadsworth]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

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NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.

 

[Bri]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

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NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.
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teams being shy about sending players has been the prob since it's beginning because teams would prefer to have some players in their minicamps. In regards to coaching and incorrect ways, your statements couldn't be more wrong

 

[Wadsworth]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.
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teams being shy about sending players has been the prob since it's beginning because teams would prefer to have some players in their minicamps. In regards to coaching and incorrect ways, your statements couldn't be more wrong
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My cousin was a PK in NFLE last season. His special teams coach had never been a kicker and never coached special teams. He had him practicing kick offs over 200 times a week and sometime over 75 in a single day. My cousin is still getting settlement checks from the back injury this caused. And I've heard many similar reports. Not from the NFL of course. I'm interested to know why you think the level of coaching is high in NFLE.

 

[Bri]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

teams being shy about sending players has been the prob since it's beginning because teams would prefer to have some players in their minicamps. In regards to coaching and incorrect ways, your statements couldn't be more wrong
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My cousin was a PK in NFLE last season. His special teams coach had never been a kicker and never coached special teams. He had him practicing kick offs over 200 times a week and sometime over 75 in a single day. My cousin is still getting settlement checks from the back injury this caused. And I've heard many similar reports. Not from the NFL of course. I'm interested to know why you think the level of coaching is high in NFLE.

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I don't know much about special teams coaches ability to coach Ks in the NFL nevermind NFLE. Seems all I can think of is holding them to a high accuracy standard and the occasional notice of an accidental change in form on "tape". I don't understand the gripe. I'm not comfy insulting your cousin and don't know how many kicks is alot and how many is suffice. I would have expected him to enter NFLE(NFL's halfway version of a minor league) ready to kick a ton. I'm surprised he was surprised how often he had to kick and that's throwing me off here. Was he unprepared? was his back not strong from working out getting ready to go? Well sorry he had a bad experience and by the checks apparently the NFL is sorry too. I hope he feels better.

I have read at length the coaching biographies at nfleurope.com and for each team and posted a bunch of coaching info here and at my own site. The NFL runs it's coaches development program thru NFLE and it's done far better than expected. Most recent grad I think is that former Bills QB(Van Pelt?) who is now a position coach in the NFL.

It's entirely possible that the best special teams coach in NFLE(best net yards) doesn't pay enough attention to his kicker but ....don't forget a bunch of current NFL kickers come from NFLE.

 

[ChampBailey24]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

teams being shy about sending players has been the prob since it's beginning because teams would prefer to have some players in their minicamps. In regards to coaching and incorrect ways, your statements couldn't be more wrong
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My cousin was a PK in NFLE last season. His special teams coach had never been a kicker and never coached special teams. He had him practicing kick offs over 200 times a week and sometime over 75 in a single day. My cousin is still getting settlement checks from the back injury this caused. And I've heard many similar reports. Not from the NFL of course. I'm interested to know why you think the level of coaching is high in NFLE.

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I don't know much about special teams coaches ability to coach Ks in the NFL nevermind NFLE. Seems all I can think of is holding them to a high accuracy standard and the occasional notice of an accidental change in form on "tape". I don't understand the gripe. I'm not comfy insulting your cousin and don't know how many kicks is alot and how many is suffice. I would have expected him to enter NFLE(NFL's halfway version of a minor league) ready to kick a ton. I'm surprised he was surprised how often he had to kick and that's throwing me off here. Was he unprepared? was his back not strong from working out getting ready to go? Well sorry he had a bad experience and by the checks apparently the NFL is sorry too. I hope he feels better.

I have read at length the coaching biographies at nfleurope.com and for each team and posted a bunch of coaching info here and at my own site. The NFL runs it's coaches development program thru NFLE and it's done far better than expected. Most recent grad I think is that former Bills QB(Van Pelt?) who is now a position coach in the NFL.

It's entirely possible that the best special teams coach in NFLE(best net yards) doesn't pay enough attention to his kicker but ....don't forget a bunch of current NFL kickers come from NFLE.

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75 kicks a day is insane. Even the best kicker in the NFL would suffer back pain.

 

[Illmatic]

why didn't he go to nfl europe?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NFLE has become the dirty little secret of the NFL. While it has helped some players in their development, more and more NFL teams are shying away from sending promising players to NFLE. The level of coaching there is nowhere close to the NFL and in some cases players have been schooled in outdated or incorrect ways. A lot of teams are now sending only the minimum number required. When you weigh the chance of injury and the the fact that players can actually regress due to poor coaching, NFLE may not be the best option for players that actually have a decent chance of NFL success.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

teams being shy about sending players has been the prob since it's beginning because teams would prefer to have some players in their minicamps. In regards to coaching and incorrect ways, your statements couldn't be more wrong
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My cousin was a PK in NFLE last season. His special teams coach had never been a kicker and never coached special teams. He had him practicing kick offs over 200 times a week and sometime over 75 in a single day. My cousin is still getting settlement checks from the back injury this caused. And I've heard many similar reports. Not from the NFL of course. I'm interested to know why you think the level of coaching is high in NFLE.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know much about special teams coaches ability to coach Ks in the NFL nevermind NFLE. Seems all I can think of is holding them to a high accuracy standard and the occasional notice of an accidental change in form on "tape". I don't understand the gripe. I'm not comfy insulting your cousin and don't know how many kicks is alot and how many is suffice. I would have expected him to enter NFLE(NFL's halfway version of a minor league) ready to kick a ton. I'm surprised he was surprised how often he had to kick and that's throwing me off here. Was he unprepared? was his back not strong from working out getting ready to go? Well sorry he had a bad experience and by the checks apparently the NFL is sorry too. I hope he feels better.

I have read at length the coaching biographies at nfleurope.com and for each team and posted a bunch of coaching info here and at my own site. The NFL runs it's coaches development program thru NFLE and it's done far better than expected. Most recent grad I think is that former Bills QB(Van Pelt?) who is now a position coach in the NFL.

It's entirely possible that the best special teams coach in NFLE(best net yards) doesn't pay enough attention to his kicker but ....don't forget a bunch of current NFL kickers come from NFLE.

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75 kicks a day is insane. Even the best kicker in the NFL would suffer back pain.
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The 49ers punter does this in the first half of a game