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A Season in the WCOFF (1 Viewer)

massraider

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I am going to use this thread as a diary of my first year in the WCOFF. I haven't really seen a thread on the subject, and while I think it could be helpful to potential WCOFF owners, part of it is my desire to keep a detailed history of what my strategy was, get some feedback from other posters, and maybe learn from my mistakes. So while I have selfish reasons for doing this, I think it can be helpful to other WCOFF players.

I am starting this post in mid-August, but won't post it till the day of the draft. Maybe a little bit of paranoia, but no desire to share my(our) strategy beforehand, just in case it turns out we are correct. Hopefully my partner will chime in, he doesn't post here much, but is active on other boards, and a WCOFF vet.

General thoughts/obvious strategies/stuff I needed to consider beforehand:

WCOFF season runs through week 11, league title game is week 12, weeks 13-16 decide the overall title. PPR league, with a RB/WR/TE flex. Won't bore you with scoring, most everyone knows it, but it is notable that QB passing yards is 1/20. 4 per TD pass. So what I pull from this is: RBs that can catch are a necessity, you want your players getting it done in the first half of the season, and a QB that gets yards.

Once we found out we drew the 3rd pick, we started really talking seriously about strategy. We looked at the WCOFF satellite ADP, and some PPR drafts from MFL. I didn't look at too many mock drafts, I am not interested who people draft when they have nothing on the line. I could not have been happier with the 3rd pick, I think the fall-off from ADP, MJD, and Forte is significant. And I like Forte a lot, he seems like the most likely pick. My partner likes MJD probably #1 overall, I think I prefer Forte, and the lack of catches from ADP and TD vulturing of Taylor is concerning. So from where I sit, I love Forte. (Aside: As we started looking at ADP, I like the later slots better and better, in that position, I'd probably have gone WR/WR/RB/RB, there appears to be some RB value at the 3/4 turn, IMO).

Strategy:

The goal, for us, is to win our league. Winning the whole thing is a nice dream, but cannot be a consideration.There is simply too many teams, and too much chance involved, to worry about winning the whole thing. So if we started looking at schedule, weeks 1-12 are a lot more important than weeks 13-16. We in general tried to not weight SOS that much, but if we were deciding between two players, we took a look at it. Some of our general strategies/principles:

1. Figure out where we differ from the groupthink, and capitalize on that. Two of the big ones for us: 1-The idea that there is more RB depth this year, and 2--That once the top TE's are gone, you may as well wait, as the next group is all the same. Regarding the RBs, with the increase this year in RBBC, there's more players getting points, but to us that means there are fewer true studs at RB, making them that much more value. And with the flex, if you have three RBs that are getting all the work, it's a big advantage. I will get into it later as to how that affected our plan. Regarding the TEs, there were three guys we liked more than others, and we think they represent big value. Those three were: Greg Olsen, John Carlson, and Zach Miller. Olsen we like a lot more than the other two, and Carlson we like quite a bit more than Miller. With JaMarcus at QB, Miller's ceiling appears lower.

2. Go for broke, to a certain extent. There's nothing to be proud of by finishing 2nd in your league. This thing costs a lot of money, I am not here for fun. The phrase we used as 'swing for the fences'. This dramatically affected our strategy in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The area we were not willing to gamble was on 'problem children'. For different reasons, we wanted no part of Brandon Marshall, Kellen Winslow, and Braylon Edwards.

3. Decide which teams we think will surprise, which will disappoint, and capitalize on that. Every year,fantasy studs emerge, and they often tend to do so from teams that emerge. We liked the offenses of Chicago and Seattle to improve quite a bit. We were willing to gamble on Shaub staying healthy, and the Texans offense to take the next step. I have major concerns about the Cards offense, thank god we weren't picking later, my partner would have pushed for Fitz in a big way. I think Matt Ryan will also take the next big step, and the Falcons to put up much better passing numbers.

So, let's get down to what we were thinking. With a RB at #3, we have our two picks at the 2/3 turn. The way the ADP is shaking out, it seems like we would be picking from the one of the big 8 WRs, seems like Roddy White or Steve Smith is the most likely. I like White a lot more than Smith, with Delhomme and Ryan, I think these players' numbers are going in the opposite direction. If there was a WR that I thought could vault into the top 4 tier at WR, it's Roddy.

However, the more we looked at ADP, and mocked it out, we really didn't like the RB options at the 4/5 turn. We really liked the RBs at the 2/3 turn (Barber, Jacobs, Brown, Bush) and the RB at the 3/4 turn (K. Smith, Grant, McFadden). Grant and Brown, in particular, were going later than we thought they should be going. We liked the receivers at the 4/5 turn quite a bit (Gonzales, VJax, DeSean) and really liked some of the WRs at the 6/7.

At this point, instead of following ADP, and going RB/WR/RB, we are seriously looking at RB/RB/RB. It fits into our strategy of 'swinging for the fences', and after the mid 4th, not sure if you can guarantee yourself a true lead back as a flex guy. And the fact that we really like guys like Jacobs, Ronnie Brown, Ryan Grant and think Reggie might be worth the risk in the 3rd, makes having 3 really good RBs a pretty big advantage to us. If Roddy is gone by our 2nd round pick, the choice to go 3 RB is easy. If he is there, we are going to have some thinking to do. My partner has really brought me around on Jacobs, who I think catches a few more balls this year, and has a (relatively) cheap handcuff. Barber scares me, and Felix will go too early for our liking. We went back and forth on Brown vs. Bush, but in the end, the fact that Brown has a similar upside, less injury risk, and a cheaper handcuff probably clinches him for us. I may even like Brown over Jacobs, but the ADP says we have a better chance of getting Brown in the 3rd, and I like Jacobs schedule and team better. I think we are even considering Grant in the 3rd. His ADP is madness to me. Gets most of the work for a top offense, and is the goalline guy. If we thought Grant or McFadden would fall, we would probably not go for this strategy. If we go RB/RB/RB, and one of them is there, we will probably be kicking ourselves.

Assuming we go with the 3 RB, WR at the 4/5 is the move, and we are hoping to come away with 2 of VJax, OchoCinco, Gonzales, Housh. If a guy falls here a little bit, it is going to really make our 3RB strategy look better. I like the WRs you can get in the middle rounds a lot more than the RBs in the middle rounds. A lot of those guys are in RBBC, or need an injury to do anything. And frankly, the RBs you get in the 7th aren't much different from RBs you can get in the 10th. They all need something to break their way in order to make some noise. Whereas the WRs we will be loading up on in the middle rounds are much better than WRs taken later.

I haven't really discussed the QB position, but the 6/7 turn is pivotal for us. Historically, the top of the QB heap changes a bit, and guys climb the ranks. Part of our 'swing for the fences' attitude is that we think certain QBs can make it into the top 5. We like Shaub and Palmer. And for the price of getting him a round or so earlier, we like the stability of Shaub over Palmer. We also love Hass this year, and if we get one of these guys in the mid rounds, we are willing to grab our backup QB early. I am a fan of being the first to take a backup QB.

We are thinking about TE/QB/WR3 here. The guys we'd love to see here are Shaub and Olsen. If they are both here, there'd be some discussion. Obviously, it matters what the 1-2 teams have. If they both have a QB or TE here, it makes the decision easier. I am big on Shaub and Palmer, and the debate is: If we take Olsen and let Shaub go, is Palmer worth the risk later, if he is even there? If we come away from this spot without a QB, I will be holding my breath for the next 23 picks.

I like Carlson and Miller later at TE, but I think Olsen is worth the risk here. I think he could contend for TE1, I really do. Depending on how the QBs and WRs go, we may come away with TE and QB here, although we really, really like some of these WRs (Walter, Driver, Mason, Berrian). I think I am leaning Shaub/Olsen in some order, and hope one of our sleeper WRs pans out later. Sleeper WRs that we like are:

Bess/Camarillo: One of them will help in a PPR. We hope to know which by the draft. I will be eyeballing that 3rd preseason game. EDIT: With Hartline, this is a mess. I don't know if the Fins passing game offers enough to warrant targeting one of these guys. Maybe a flyer on Bess late.

Steve Smith (NYG): Not going to kill it, but I think he is a solid play, that won't get shut out.

Derrick Mason: Love him at his ADP. nothing sexy, just a lot of receptions, and Mark Clayton doesn't scare me.

Percy Harvin: Hate the character, love the talent. I am pushing for him.

Chaz Schilens: The injury is the best thing that could have happened to us. We are both Raider fans, and he was no secret to us. His performance in the first preseason game was awful news to us. He's not a WR3 anyway, so you won't need him till the bye weeks, and he should be back by then. So, assuming he is back within 8 weeks, the injury isn't even a big factor. We should be able to get him in the 12th-14th.

Patrick Crayton: Not a believer in Roy, although I like him at his ADP okay enough. But I think Crayton could be a guy Romo trusts, and his ADP isn't that high, as Austin and Hurd got talked up in training camp. We don't think they are a serious challenge. And when/if Roy injures himself again, Crayton is a great WR3.

James Jones: There has been a lot of Jordy Nelson love, and Jones had an injury. Perfect storm to get the #3 WR for a good passing team.

Nate Burleson: Love that Deon Butler has gotten press, and love that Hass has looked good.

Mike Furrey: Maybe as a last round pick, maybe as a FA. We expect Quinn to in the job, and Furrey might be his security blanket.

Other players I think we are targeting:

QB: Matt Hassleback as our backup QB. I think we are willing to jump up and get him. We especially like him, because if he goes down, we know Seneca Wallace will be available to get, an might provide a decent option for fantasy points. If Hass stays healthy, I think top 10 numbers are very possible.

RB: We like Leon Washington. Had a nice game on national television, which we didn't like.

Bernard Scott and James Davis: I think the two most likely guys to lose their jobs are Benson and Lewis. Love to get both of these guys.

Julius Jones: I actually liked him at his ADP before, with the signing of Edgerrin, that should plummet. And I think there's a real chance he hangs onto the job. Enough of a chance to snag him late. Great part about getting a guy like that late is, you know within a month if he is worth keeping, and if not, you have a valuable roster spot to use on a FA, and not worry about getting burned later if the player pays off. Love the risk/reward on this guy. I am a fan of guys that can help you, even a little bit, and get a lot of hate on the message boards.

Peyton Hillis: Only good things happen when this guy gets the rock. A bigger, whiter Leon Washington? McDaniels seems to be reading from the Belichick playbook, all the way down to wardrobe, and that playbook includes RBBC. It's a big reason we are down on Moreno.

Tim Hightower: Sometimes, players just aren't tough, or get dinged a lot. If Beanie is one of those guys, Hightower is a massive value. I know this, the Beanie owner isn't going to get Hightower cheap in this draft.

Jamaal Charles: The more they pass, the less valuable LJ becomes.

Rashard Jennings: We like the talent, and think he might be the MJD backup.

Deshawn Wynn: If we reach for Grant, this guy makes a nice last round pick.

TE: We really differ from the ADP. We don't like Clark at his ADP, I don't trust Gonzo to just continue where he left off in a new offense., and I don't like Cooley's offense. I think Carlson is dramatically underrated. And Zach Miller I like more than Winslow. We loved Olsen more than most, but that cat is out of the bag. Bo Sciafe has a mind-boggling ADP, (211 at the time I write this) total value, in our opinion.

We are both Raider fans, so we are trying to step back a bit. Miller will be a PPR monster, but will he get the TDs of Carlson or Olsen? Doubtful.

JerMichael Finley: As a backup TE, few players have more upside. Love the offense, love that the Pack passes the ball, and think he could be a redzone target.

Week and a half away from the draft, and we have been monitoring the WCOFF satellite ADP pretty closely. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people we liked three weeks ago, and thought were bargains, are no longer bargains. The receivers that a week or so ago were right in our 4/5 wheelhouse, have seen their ADP climb. OchoCinco, VJax, Gonzales, and DeSean have climbed above our 4th rounder. There's guys we like after that, Ward, Mason, but I am not sure they provide much moe than guys going at the 6/7 turn for us--Evans, Berrian, Walter. Walter is a target for us at that 6/7 turn, hard to see him not winding up on our team.

So we are playing with the idea of going WR/TE, or WR/QB in some fashion there. QBs fall in WCOFF, and we think only Aaron Rodgers is worth discussion there. We are prepared to go with a Shaub/Hassleback or Palmer/Hassleback committee. The TE in question is Olsen, whose ADP has skyrocketed. It's very possible, in our mind, that Olsen puts up low-end WR2 numebrs. So if it comes down to Gonzales/Ward, or Gonzales/Olsen, I am not sure there is much of a drop-off from Ward to Mason/Driver/Walter, who we can get later.

The RB we like in the 2nd, Brandon Jacobs, has also seen his ADP climb in Mock Draft Central to 20th. But is still at 26 in the satellite list. This is making my partner nervous. I am of the mind that we can take a RB in the 2nd round, and maybe get Jacobs in the 3rd. And if not, Ryan Grant should be there. Grant, thank God, hasn't climbed too much, but we think he is a fine 3rd rounder, and that people are sleeping on him.

The worst case scenario, is Jacobs/Portis is gone in the 2nd. If that happens, we are preparing for the WR there. And really, taking a Roddy White there isn't bad news. I like him just as much as Reggie Wayne. If so, that makes a RB at 4/5 a necessity, in our mind. The only guys there we like are Addai and Wells. We decided on Wells based on his clearer path to the most carries, and cheaper handcuff. Drafting Donald Brown a round later isn't a strategy we like.

 
Draft Day:

We went over kickers and defenses last night. Our #1 K has been, since the beginning, Kris Brown. Week 10 bye, strong offense, good ADP, dome. We like a lot of defenses, we will let that come to us. love some returns, so Philly is attractive to me. We also went down to the MGM Grand the night before, as two of the owners in our league were drafting the might before. Most of the draft boards weren't labeled, and they were kicking people out, but we came across the owner of the WCOFF leaving with the mini-boards. We stopped him, asked him for the appropriate league number, and snapped a quick photo. It was really interesting to see the drafts. A lot of people were all over the place, and it reaffirmed that we couldn't get cute, betting certain guys fall. In a home league, every smart owner knows he can count on a few of his sleepers. Do not underestimate leaguemates. You have to assume someone else feels the same as you do about your targets. It sounds simple, but it's a tough principle to stick to.

One really helpul thing was, we did a worst-case list. If EVERYONE was as 'smart' as we were, who would we take with our first 8 picks or so? Putting two players side by side, and comparing them, with disregard for need. It really kept us, in a few spots, from reaching over players we actually liked better. It also established tiers, without us consciously doing it.

After that, we just ranked players within groups, knowing need starts to become a factor.

The Draft:

We get Forte, as expected. WRs start to go, and as it turned out, if we were planning on drafting Roddy White, we would already have hit a wall. Colston went in front of us, the 9th WR taken. Also, Tom Brady, to the same guy that took him in the 2nd the previous night. We sweated Brandon Jacobs, but we got him. We figured Grant would be there, we were taking him well above his ADP (but not unheard of, he went on the 2/3 turn several drafts). What we weren't counting on was Portis still being there. My partner likes him, and there sure ain't much to dislike about his numbers. But I think we were so locked into Grant, that it was easy to talk ourselves into staying with the plan. We are the only team to go RB/RB/RB. Team 12, by the way, gets DeAngelo and Turner on the turn, then Bowe falls to him at the end of the 3rd.

The 4/5 turn was the big test, could we get a WR? We are looking for Gonzales, VJax, DeSean, Royal. Gonzo and VJax go, and Marshall. Royal, right before we take our pick. We get DeSean, and love his upside. We grab the underrated Santana Moss, after Braylon and Hines Ward, who had a big night the night before, bumping up his ADP. Our target for the 6/7 turn was Olsen, Shaub, and maybe Derrick Mason. I didn't want to pick in the 7th, then wait 20 pick before we had shot at our QB. Olsen makes it to us, in a nice surprise. After the turn, when we were expecting Shaub, Warner is still there. I don't trust him to stay healthy, but man. Can we really pass on Warner for Shaub? We decide no, and take Warner. We hope a WR can fall to us next round. Bryant, Berrian, Moore, Mason, Hester, Henry, Avery, Harvin, Driver, Holt, Coles, all go. The last guy we like here is Kevin Walter, he goes right in front of us. And Shaub had made it around. In hindsight, we might have liked Mason last round, and taken Shaub here. But the WRs we like now, are further down the list, and all in a bunch. The next guy we like, by a wide margin, is Shaub. Screw it, we take him.

The next three rounds, we take Steve Smith (NYG), Patrick Crayton, Chaz Shilens. We need a WR3 from these guys. After taking Michael Bush with our 12th rounder, we decide to giv ourselves a week to study these WRs, and draft Kenny Britt. He played the night before, and got 4 for 84. He also has the upside, and we get a month or so to evaluate him, before we need to pick up a defense or kicker. The guys left, we are thinking about our handcuffs, and maybe another WR. They are all a jumble, so we decide to take our defense, the Titans, that already had a nice night for us. In the 15th, we get Camarillo. By the time we need to drop someone, we will know if Camarillo is back to full health, and if he has the job. If he does, a steal. We now want Kris Brown, DeShawn Wynn, Danny Ware, Tony Scheffler. And we really aren't worried about being sniped. We have a spare pick, and take Jason Campbell. Leinart goes the round before, so we take the 3rd QB. he might be the first to go, but if complete tragedy befalls us, we are covered. Campbell and Britt are probably the first to go if we go after a FA.

Ware gets sniped after our defense, maybe a mistake. We get Wynn, Sheffler, and Adrian Peterson to end the draft, and get two of our handcuffs cheap.

Final analysis:

We are happy about our first three picks, and felt things could have been a lot worse than DeSean and Santana. Getting Olsen and the QBs we did were nice, and what we gave up in WR, we feel like we have some upside guys in Crayton, Schilens, and Steve Smith.

We violated some rules in this draft, but we didn't want to field a good team, and we felt we got value. Taking the two QBs might have been mistake, but we really like the WRs we got later.

We were able to implement our plan, which is really all you can ask in this thing.

Hopefully my partner, Jack's Sore Libido will chime in soon, and give his take on the draft. I am planning on updating this thread, highlighting our good calls, and our bad ones. This post was written over a few weeks, so apologies if there are any gaps in the thinking.

 
Thank you for posting your valuable thoughts. It will be easy for other to criticize your strategy or the players you took but I don't think that's the whole story. The methodical strategizing, winnowing out players, predicting which players will be drafted in what rounds, resisting runs during the draft - these are all more important to fantasy owners than rolling the dice and choosing which specific players to target. I'm really looking forward to your next entries.

More specifcally: It's hard to believe that Chris Henry would have been taken earlier than Matt Schaub just three weeks ago! Britt may wind up with similar numbers at year end as Henry. You have a solid, unspectacular team that ought to have a good shot at contending.

 
Hope you enjoyed the draft. Hopeful to do it w/ a partner next year when the car's paid off.

Where were Rice/R.Bush/McFadden/Leon/Sproles/Bradshaw going? Also interested to know where Pierre fell to.

Shocked Schaub made it back to you [as you were too]. Top 5 QB upside this year IMO. I've always been a huge fan of taking QB-Kicker of same team of high power offenses. Virtually makes your pass TD + 1 point. Would have taken Warner over Schaub probably, but would have passed on Warner had I known Schaub woulda fallen that low [hindsight's 20/20 and I think you got 2 QB1's for what that is worth]

 
Wish I could be optimistic for your team, but having DeSean and Santana as your #1 and #2 won't be strong enough to compete with the teams that went RB-WR-WR-etc which I'm sure quite a few did. Good luck though. Hopefully Chaz can get back back and return to preseason form. Otherwise I predict 6-5.

 
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I think I will do WCOFF again next year. I haven't done the league in 4 years, but it has always been really fun.

Sounds like you got a good team. GL. Win this year because next year it is mine.

 
Cool post, thanks. I like your team as it is a little against the grain with plenty of upside. Jackson, Moss, Olsen and Warner all have the ability to play above their adps and you have a solid rb core. I think you have a nice balance of "swing for the fences" without taking too many chances. Only criticism I have is that you were down on the Skins' O, yet you are starting two players from them. I think they open things up and may be better then expected if Cambell progress. Good luck.

 
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good read -- thanks.one thought:

Regarding the RBs, with the increase this year in RBBC, there's more players getting points, but to us that means there are fewer true studs at RB, making them that much more value.
i agree with this, but note that it's really only the top RBs that are more valuable, not the RB position in general. not sure if that's what you were implying...either way, thanks for sharing. interesting to read through your thought process.
 
Hope you enjoyed the draft. Hopeful to do it w/ a partner next year when the car's paid off.Where were Rice/R.Bush/McFadden/Leon/Sproles/Bradshaw going? Also interested to know where Pierre fell to.Shocked Schaub made it back to you [as you were too]. Top 5 QB upside this year IMO. I've always been a huge fan of taking QB-Kicker of same team of high power offenses. Virtually makes your pass TD + 1 point. Would have taken Warner over Schaub probably, but would have passed on Warner had I known Schaub woulda fallen that low [hindsight's 20/20 and I think you got 2 QB1's for what that is worth]
Yeah, we might have taken Mason or Driver and gone with Shaub later, but we saw enough drafts where Shaub went there to never think he would have made it around. We will need some breaks at WR to field a truly competitive team, we like the PPR potential of Camarillo/Smith and the upside of Schilens/Crayton to feel a little better about the risk. The downside is knowing when to start whom, obviously. Starting Britt for a week gives us a breather in evaluating the options for our 3rd guy.Thee draft spot of the guys you asked about:Rice: 4.7Bush: 4.3McFadden: 4.6Washington: 6.4Sproles: 8.4Pierre: 4.12Bradshaw: 8.3If Bush or McFadden had been there at our pick in the 4th, we might be kicking ourselves. Wells was the guy we liked more than any other, and we didn't feel strongly enough about him to make him be the reason we strayed from the RB/RB/RB plan.
 
good read -- thanks.one thought:

Regarding the RBs, with the increase this year in RBBC, there's more players getting points, but to us that means there are fewer true studs at RB, making them that much more value.
i agree with this, but note that it's really only the top RBs that are more valuable, not the RB position in general. not sure if that's what you were implying...
That's exactly what I mean, and was the driving force behind our strategy. I was not convinced that Addai or Parker in the 6th is that much more valuable than Lendale White in the 10th, or Caddy Williams in the 11th. Some teams will strike it gold with their late round backs, we are really missing that late round back that can explode (unless you include M. Bush). And those teams will compete. But we just felt better about the sleeper WRs we got, than the sleeper RBs in that area.
 
Hey Mass, me and a couple buddies went in on a team as well...we drew the 7th pick and were in League #1. The 300k winner from last year was in our league...here is how our draft turned out:

1st-Steven Jackson(very happy he fell this far)

2nd-Steve Smith(we planned on him being there for us in the 2nd)

3rd-Chad Ochocinco(thought about R.Bush but the wr requirements made Chad the pick for us...Bush went 3 picks later)

4th-Santonio Holmes(I love him as our 3rd wr..plus the 28 points for week 1 sure is nice

5th-Larry Johnson(just looking to grab a starting rb and he was what was left)

6th-Greg Olsen(wanted him as our te all along...grabbed him right in the middle of the te run)

7th-Donald Brown(just looking for any kind of servicable rb at this time)

8th-Tony Romo(was the last of the top 6 qb's..somewhat big dropoff after him)

9th-Fred Taylor(again just looking for any kind of rb value this late)

10th-Jerious Norwood(love his ppr value and if something happens to turner he is the man)

11th-Chris Chambers(needed some wr depth)

12th-Michael Jenkins(see pick 11 analysis)

13th-Troy Williamson(see pick 11 analysis)

14th-Jason Campbell(didn't want to have a terrible backup qb and campbell plays KC on Romo's bye)

15th-Todd Heap(love him as a backup TE)

16th-Jerome Harrison(another rb flier)

17th-Justin Forsett(could be gold in a ppr format)

18th-Maurice Morris(another flier at rb)

19th-Neil Rackers(kickers are just a necessary evil)

20th-New England defense(defensive scoring makes defenses worthless)

So our starting lineup for week 1 is:

QB-Romo

RB-S. Jax

RB-L.Johnson

WR-S. Smith

WR-Chad Ocho

WR-S.Holmes

Flex-Fred Taylor

TE-Greg Olsen

PK-N Rackers

Def-New England

all and all we are pretty happy how are team turned out...I was surprised at how many teams drafted some of their qb's by the 2nd-4th round. Especially since I saw quite a few draft dominators being used...

Also, the playoffs are actually weeks 12 and weeks 13 now...4 teams in each league make the playoffs.

 
Hey Mass, me and a couple buddies went in on a team as well...we drew the 7th pick and were in League #1. The 300k winner from last year was in our league...here is how our draft turned out:So our starting lineup for week 1 is:QB-RomoRB-S. JaxRB-L.JohnsonWR-S. SmithWR-Chad OchoWR-S.HolmesFlex-Fred TaylorTE-Greg OlsenPK-N RackersDef-New Englandall and all we are pretty happy how are team turned out...I was surprised at how many teams drafted some of their qb's by the 2nd-4th round. Especially since I saw quite a few draft dominators being used...Also, the playoffs are actually weeks 12 and weeks 13 now...4 teams in each league make the playoffs.
Wondering if you guys are considering Fred over LJ. Romo there was a steal. Agree about the QBs.
 
Our roster:

QB:

Warner

Shaub

Campbell

RB:

Forte

Jacobs

Grant

M. Bush

Wynn

Peterson (CHI)

WR:

Jackson (PHI)

Moss (WAS)

Crayton

Smith (NYG)

Schilens

Britt

Camarillo

TE:

Olsen

Scheffler

K:

Brown

D:

Tennessee

Just a brutal start to the season, with our top QB, all three RB, and starting WRs having quiet weeks. Funny thing is, we were in position to win going into the Sunday night game, and watched Earl Bennett, who got sniped one pick in front of us (we took Crayton), put it out of reach, as Forte and Olsen disappeared. At WR, we started DeSean, Moss, and Britt, who had a good night Thursday, so we took the points. He wound up getting outscored by Crayton and Smith, but it didn't affect the outcome.

The encouraging part of week 1 was Crayton and Steve Smith, who both seem to be in the teams' plans, and the pending return of Schilens, who seemed to be on track for a Week 3 or 4 return. We have both been believers in Smith since the summer, nice to see him get a lot of looks, and capitalize. Crayton we think is a decent WR 3/4, and if/when Roy gets hurt, he will probably be a must-start.

In order for us to compete, this team needs a WR to emerge. A concern is that if several of our picks hit, and we have tough lineup decisions to make.

Injuries/lineup decisions:

McNabb cracked a rib, and it means we might bench DeSean Jackson. I am still not sure about this move, but if Kolb is the guy, I simply cannot see the team putting the game in his hands. The flip side is, the passing game, we think, will go through DeSean, and he doesn't just catch bombs. He can score from anywhere, and I can envision an offense involving reverses, slip screens, and the like. This will be a last minute decision, thank god the Eagles have an early game. We are probably going to roll with Moss (vs. STL), and Smith and Crayton playing each other. The DeSean question will remain. With two receptions, he can outscore Smith.

There was discussion about benching Warner, as the Cards are pretty bad on East Coast games, and Campbell plays the Rams, and Shaub will have to throw vs. TEN. But in looking at the game logs, Campbell didn't have his big games vs. bad teams, and Warner, even in East Coast losses, piled up the yards. Warner suffered a stinger on Sunday, so we are monitoring that. But really, if Warner is healthy, he seems to be the start. I was really down on the Cards this year, so I am already wondering about drafting Warner where we did, even if it was perceived value. It is only one week, I keep telling myself.

The free agents we are looking at are all WRs, and maybe a TE. Anthony Gonzales, a guy we liked but didn't get, went down with injury. Garcon was drafted, and Austin Collie all of a sudden is a starting WR in Indy. His upside is pretty great, but we think it'd take some major luck for him to reach it. Best case scenario is, he is the 3rd passing option on that team. More likely, he and Garcon will both see work, Addai gets more looks, and Collie has an up and down stretch while Gonzo is out. We are going to put in a bid, but expect the Gonzo owner, or someone else, to beat it ($130 of our $1000 available--drop Adrian Peterson). The WR we are really looking at, is Mario Manningham. We have Smith, but it's no lock that he is the #1 guy, and we think Mario has the best chance to unseat him. Hixon, in our opinion, will be the deep threat, feast-or-famine guy. The idea is, we handcuff Smith for a few weeks, till we need to get a backup D, and see if Mario emerges. We put in a bid for Mario of $145, if someone beats it, we can live with that.

If both guys are gone, we put in lesser bids for Louis Murphy, Randle-El ($45 each--drop Camarillo), and a buck on Mike Furrey. Camarillo I am ready to move, the whole Bess/Camarillo mess was something I kept an eye on, and still couldn't get a handle on in preseason. And Game 1 didn't clear anything up.

We thought about getting a TE replacement for Scheffler, but the options we looked at were Shawn Nelson and Robert Royal. Nelson, in looking a bit closer, isn't the starter, and doesn't play a ton. Thanks to some Shark Pool Buffalo homers that pointed this out. Royal had a great game for CLE, but we picked up Scheffler simply because he is playing the Pats on Olsen's bye, I'd rather not spend money on a backup TE after week 1. Seems like making a move just for the sake of making one.

We wound up getting Manningham ($145), Royal ($35), and Andre Caldwell ($40).

Some big ticket items went. Ben Watson for $174, Devery for $209, and Louis Murphy for $231.

No one bid on Austin Collie. We didn't, because we assumed that the Gonzo owner would overbid anyway, and we thought Manningham fit in with us better. Amazing that no one bothered. Hank Baskett was picked up instead.

My thought going in was that FA moves, and our decisions pertaining to them, could be very important. Using a blind bidding system in a league with complete strangers, and trying to decide when to pull the trigger and spend the money, is really the deep end of the pool.

 
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massraider - not sure if we have met, but I applaud your energy and enthusiasm for FF and your WCOFF team and hope to read that things are going well for you.

I have been in WCOFF since it's inception - some good years, some not - but regardless a great event and the weekend in Las Vegas is Always a great experience.

I won't rehash draft strategies other than to say that the underlying tenant should be to get the best possible team....given some of the bad picks other teams will make and differences in opinion, that really means not be married to certain positions in certain rounds but being flexible enough to take advantage of the opportunities each draft will give you.

As far as two errors about WCOFF from your posts above:

1) the regular season is Weeks 1-11 when you play the other teams in your league, but they changed the structure of the League Playoffs so four teams are qualifying thus League semis in Week 12 and LCG in Week 13.

2) the waiver wire report only shows you the Winning bids of each team....and of course all of yours. So you have no idea how many teams bid on any given player....or what those bids were.

Now a few comments on your draft:

1) I view your team as very deficient at WR - a result of starting RB/RB/RB

2) that start also means that your nice selection of Mike Bush is somewhat limited - aside from bye weeks or injury, you can only play him if you bench one of your picks from the first three rounds - given that more good running backs emerge during the season than quality wide receivers, you might have been better off with an earlier pick at WR and another good later shot at RB(s)

3) Taking Warner is certainly a reasonable gamble, but I have contended that given his injury risk that teams shouldn't be looking to draft Leinart as a handcuff - it's not clear you would want to play him even if he was starting (the Cardinals would be running a lot more as they hope to when he IS the starting quarterback) - but you need a QB2 that you would be comfortable playing every week - given that Schaub has his own problems staying on the field, waiting for another choice might have been a better play....otoh if both Warner and Schaub are playing you should have a nice matchup each week

BUt I sincerely wish you luck and hope to keep reading your journal.

Should you have any questions about anything WCFF please feel free to send me a PM or any of the longtime and successful players in the event that are here - radballs, Team Legacy, Bald is Beautiful, The Yellow Line is Unofficial and many, many more who would be glad to give your their experienced opinions.

Perry Van Hook

Captain Morgan - League 7

 
Hey massraider,

I've always enjoyed reading your posts on here, and anyone with Raoul Duke as their avatar is cool in my book. Thanks for breaking down your draft, it was a cool read. I have managed a team with a buddy in the WCOFF for 5 years, and have absolutely loved it. We switched over to the FFPC this year and went with a similar strategy from the 2 hole and 3 hole in our two drafts. We got caught a little off guard as well with our 2nd and 3rd round picks after all "attractive" WR were off the board. We too pulled the trigger on B Jacobs in the 2nd, but we actually went with V Jackson at 3.3. We'll see see how that turns out, because we certainly passed on a lot of good RB at that spot.

Anyhow, good luck the rest of the way, and take down that league championship.

 
Our roster:QB:WarnerShaubCampbellRB:ForteJacobsGrantM. BushWynnPeterson (CHI)WR:Jackson (PHI)Moss (WAS)CraytonSmith (NYG)SchilensBrittCamarilloTE:OlsenSchefflerK: BrownD: Tennessee
great post - really great post. Sorry dude though a REALLY terrible team for PPR. I think you picked 3rd if you got Forte as MJD went 1 in most followed by AD. You were estactic getting Jacobs at end of round 2??? Jacobs as solid as he was last year finished #18 overall in PPR!! And Grant in the 3rd? Grant is just as lousy in PPR. Personally If I couldn't nab AD or MJD I would have looked wide out.. Sorry unless 2 of your wr's really take off could be a long season.
 
Here we go with our picks...Cloud of Feces IV out of the 9 spot...

1) Andre Johnson: We targeted WR the whole time, and we figured we would get (at worst) the 4th WR (calvin Johnson). Fitz went at 5 and Moss went at 8, so we had AJ. Love him in PPR + the fact he has a late bye.

2) Brian Westbrook: When we mocked this out, westbrook was the lynchpin. We needed some WRs to go so westbrook would fall, or we would have to go WR WR.

3) Kevin Smith: We mocked this out with Smith gone in almost every Mock we saw. We were looking at Ryan Grant. Grant went a pick before, and we feel we get some value at 3.09 with Smith. Again, with PPR, this kid is gold b/c even if Detroit is behind, they throw him the ball.

4) TJ Hoosh: A product of Santonio Holmes' big night, someone had to fall for his rise. We were looking Holmes or V Jax, and again, in PPR are happy to see Hoosh here.

5) Hines Ward: Hines is a 1A in Pittsburgh, and was 3 yards away from matching Holmes' points.

6) Thomas Jones: Criminal that he fell this far. We had no thoughts of taking our third RB this early, but TJ is huge value.

7) Matt Schaub: We love his upside, and we knew a decent amount of QBs have gone and will continue to go.

8) Lesean McCoy: We targeted McCoy regardless of Westbrook. He was mocking at somewhere b/w the middle 8th to the mid 9th. I do not love handcuffing my guys in WCOFF, but this is a smart one.

9) Steve Breaston: We love his upside, and we are one of two teams with no TE, but plenty of good guys are still out there.

10) Steve Smith (NYG): Not a player we really targeted, but he was high on the board and someone needs to catch the ball in NY

11) Kevin Faulk: The ultimate RB backup.

12) Jermichael Finley: We got really caught at TE. Guys started Taking their #2s right after we took steve smith and it just got worse and worse. Right before we took faulk Heath Miller went (HEATH MILLER!) so we lost out on the TE position. I was targeting FInley much later, but I didn't want to lose him as wel

the rest of the draft:

QB: Pennington and Brady Quinn (rd 20)

RB: Jaamal CHarles

WR: Mark CLayton and Michael Jenkins

TE: Fasano

K: Kaeding

D: Jets

All in all, we have strong rotations at WR and RB, we like Schaub, and are weak at TE. Our D and K are fine.

Our starting lineup has no bye week issues, so we can rotate like this:

RB:

Westy

Kev Smith

T Jones

K faulk as the backup to all three positions.

We are holding charles just in case, but he may be dead weight on this team.

WR:

A Johnson

TJ Hoosh

H Ward

Steve Smith as the backup.

Breaston and Clayton are the backups backups here. We will see what happens.

TE: we added J Cook from Tenn (not high on Watson, and outbid for Royal) but we will play wait and see here.

We lost week 1, but put up a decent score considering AJ and Schaub had bad weeks. We figure as they right the ship, so should we.

 
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Good thread, and good contributions from the other posters. I've been in WCOFF from the beginning, but I go under the name Bald is Beautiful there and not here.

Massraider - your RB's look nice, but they lack pass receptions. To me, if you are going to go 3 RB's early, you have to rack up the receptions. Look at what Gatorman did - Westbrook and K. Smith instead of Jacobs and Grant. That is what, an extra 100 receptions for his RB's versus your RB's? Equivalent to 16-17 td's? Can Jacobs and Grant make up that difference in td scoring versus the other 2? I highly doubt it.

So, your WR's need high volume receptions to make up the difference. Unfortunately, that is not present, imo. Maybe D. Jackson or Moss can post 80 receptions, and maybe Steve Smith proves to be the possession guy and gets 80 also. But all 3 of those things need to happen in order for you to compete points-wise for the receptions.

Compare your lineup to Gatorman's, and you will see a huge difference in ppr potential. I much prefer having that potential advantage starting my season than relying on td's to make up the difference.

I drafted from the 10 hole, and here is what I came away with:

1) Calvin Johnson - I thought Wayne would come back to me in round 2. He didn't. Hindsight is 20/20, as i'd rather start my team with Wayne. Lesson learned again - screw ADP and take the guy better for your team.

2) B. Westbrook

3) K. Smith

4) E. Royal

5) Dallas Clark

6) L. Washington

7) T. Holt - The goal was to pair him with Walker. I think one of them emerges as the #1. Williamson has and always will suck.

8) L. McCoy

9) B. Roethlisberger

10) J. Davis

11) N. Burleson - This pick may prove to be great. Stay healthy!

12) M. Moore - I totally sniped Moore from the Parker owner. I got the finger across the draft table after this pick. Good thing that owner is a friend of mine. moore could be starting in Pitt. within weeks.

13) L. Robinson

14) M. Walker - Draft strategy with Holt worked. Now I need the results.

15) J. Finley

16) J. Flacco - This guy might prove to be a really good backup QB.

17) S. Rice

18) NY Jets

19) M. Goodson - dropped him already for Manningham. Manningham flashed again last week his big upside potential.

20) L. Tynes - can't beat this kicker for a 20th round pick.

As I preached above, I have alot of potential receptions on this team.

 
massraider - not sure if we have met, but I applaud your energy and enthusiasm for FF and your WCOFF team and hope to read that things are going well for you.

I have been in WCOFF since it's inception - some good years, some not - but regardless a great event and the weekend in Las Vegas is Always a great experience.

I won't rehash draft strategies other than to say that the underlying tenant should be to get the best possible team....given some of the bad picks other teams will make and differences in opinion, that really means not be married to certain positions in certain rounds but being flexible enough to take advantage of the opportunities each draft will give you.

As far as two errors about WCOFF from your posts above:

1) the regular season is Weeks 1-11 when you play the other teams in your league, but they changed the structure of the League Playoffs so four teams are qualifying thus League semis in Week 12 and LCG in Week 13.

2) the waiver wire report only shows you the Winning bids of each team....and of course all of yours. So you have no idea how many teams bid on any given player....or what those bids were.

Now a few comments on your draft:

1) I view your team as very deficient at WR - a result of starting RB/RB/RB

2) that start also means that your nice selection of Mike Bush is somewhat limited - aside from bye weeks or injury, you can only play him if you bench one of your picks from the first three rounds - given that more good running backs emerge during the season than quality wide receivers, you might have been better off with an earlier pick at WR and another good later shot at RB(s)3) Taking Warner is certainly a reasonable gamble, but I have contended that given his injury risk that teams shouldn't be looking to draft Leinart as a handcuff - it's not clear you would want to play him even if he was starting (the Cardinals would be running a lot more as they hope to when he IS the starting quarterback) - but you need a QB2 that you would be comfortable playing every week - given that Schaub has his own problems staying on the field, waiting for another choice might have been a better play....otoh if both Warner and Schaub are playing you should have a nice matchup each week

BUt I sincerely wish you luck and hope to keep reading your journal.

Should you have any questions about anything WCFF please feel free to send me a PM or any of the longtime and successful players in the event that are here - radballs, Team Legacy, Bald is Beautiful, The Yellow Line is Unofficial and many, many more who would be glad to give your their experienced opinions.

Perry Van Hook

Captain Morgan - League 7
Good advice from a veteran WCOFFer. The importance of WRs can not be understated in this format.
 
Great thread, Mass. Agree that you'll need a WR to emerge, but your team has alot of talent.

We picked 12th in league 50 and got:

Gore/Calvin at 1/2

McFadden/Ocho at 3/4

Moreno/S Moss at 5/6

Lee Evans/Donald Brown at 7/8 BUT we SHOULD have gone QB here (Romo. Schaub, Ryan, Palmer, Big Ben)were all available

Garrard/Zach Miller at 9/10 as we hoped one of the other QBs would fall to us, but a couple backup QBs were taken! Hope Dodds' man-love for Garrard is validated!

Muhammad/M Bush at 11/12

Jason Campbell/Vernon Davis at 13/14

Titans/Leinart at 15/16

Crayton/D Ware at 17/18

and Kasay/Michael Clayton at 19/20

Lost badly in week 1, thanks to Santana, Evans, Garrard sucking and nobody else really stepping up...

Good time at the draft - it was even more impressive last year with 70+? leagues drafting on Saturday and Nick Bakay as a better emcee than Kuselias

 
great post - really great post. Sorry dude though a REALLY terrible team for PPR. I think you picked 3rd if you got Forte as MJD went 1 in most followed by AD. You were estactic getting Jacobs at end of round 2??? Jacobs as solid as he was last year finished #18 overall in PPR!! And Grant in the 3rd? Grant is just as lousy in PPR. Personally If I couldn't nab AD or MJD I would have looked wide out.. Sorry unless 2 of your wr's really take off could be a long season.
Legit criticisms, and ones that I outlined in my posts. If we had waited on backs, we would have needed a back to emerge, rather than a WR. And our thinking was that we liked the WRs in the middle rounds rather than the RBs. Just our personal preference. We've liked Smith, Schilens, and Crayton all along. As to Jacobs, you are right, he finished 18th in PPR last year (!!!). Also missed some games, and 1,000 yards of rushing just left for Tampa. We think there's a real good chance his numbers go up quite a bit. His PPG numbers are really nice. If he plays, he produces. I think he catches a lot more balls this year as well. Grant is really the linchpin. If he isn't a top 20 fantasy back, we are in trouble. Captain Hook brought up a great point, that RBs emerge moreso than WRs. Very true. My problem is, a lot of those guys emerge due to injury. Some of these RBBC guys will emerge when the other half of the committee gets banged up. But there's no way to predict that. And we don't get to draft 7 of these backs, and hope one of them emerge in the first two weeks. Whereas the WRs that we have, we think that they are going to emerge based on talent. We think Smith is the #1 guy for the Giants this year, and we don't believe in Roy Williams, so we like Crayton. DeSean has as much upside, to me, as Boldin does, who went in the 3rd round, 20-odd picks before we took DeSean. We never bought into the too many weapons theory in Philly. I see Westy, DeSean, and a bunch of question marks.
 
ComfortablyNumb said:
Great thread, Mass. Agree that you'll need a WR to emerge, but your team has alot of talent. We picked 12th in league 50 and got:Gore/Calvin at 1/2McFadden/Ocho at 3/4Moreno/S Moss at 5/6Lee Evans/Donald Brown at 7/8 BUT we SHOULD have gone QB here (Romo. Schaub, Ryan, Palmer, Big Ben)were all availableGarrard/Zach Miller at 9/10 as we hoped one of the other QBs would fall to us, but a couple backup QBs were taken! Hope Dodds' man-love for Garrard is validated!Muhammad/M Bush at 11/12Jason Campbell/Vernon Davis at 13/14Titans/Leinart at 15/16Crayton/D Ware at 17/18and Kasay/Michael Clayton at 19/20Lost badly in week 1, thanks to Santana, Evans, Garrard sucking and nobody else really stepping up...Good time at the draft - it was even more impressive last year with 70+? leagues drafting on Saturday and Nick Bakay as a better emcee than Kuselias
Yeah, not too many people were letting the QBs fall. I like that team a lot. My main concern is you have some good players from bad teams.
 
massraider - not sure if we have met, but I applaud your energy and enthusiasm for FF and your WCOFF team and hope to read that things are going well for you.I have been in WCOFF since it's inception - some good years, some not - but regardless a great event and the weekend in Las Vegas is Always a great experience.I won't rehash draft strategies other than to say that the underlying tenant should be to get the best possible team....given some of the bad picks other teams will make and differences in opinion, that really means not be married to certain positions in certain rounds but being flexible enough to take advantage of the opportunities each draft will give you.As far as two errors about WCOFF from your posts above:1) the regular season is Weeks 1-11 when you play the other teams in your league, but they changed the structure of the League Playoffs so four teams are qualifying thus League semis in Week 12 and LCG in Week 13.2) the waiver wire report only shows you the Winning bids of each team....and of course all of yours. So you have no idea how many teams bid on any given player....or what those bids were.Now a few comments on your draft:1) I view your team as very deficient at WR - a result of starting RB/RB/RB2) that start also means that your nice selection of Mike Bush is somewhat limited - aside from bye weeks or injury, you can only play him if you bench one of your picks from the first three rounds - given that more good running backs emerge during the season than quality wide receivers, you might have been better off with an earlier pick at WR and another good later shot at RB(s)3) Taking Warner is certainly a reasonable gamble, but I have contended that given his injury risk that teams shouldn't be looking to draft Leinart as a handcuff - it's not clear you would want to play him even if he was starting (the Cardinals would be running a lot more as they hope to when he IS the starting quarterback) - but you need a QB2 that you would be comfortable playing every week - given that Schaub has his own problems staying on the field, waiting for another choice might have been a better play....otoh if both Warner and Schaub are playing you should have a nice matchup each weekBUt I sincerely wish you luck and hope to keep reading your journal.Should you have any questions about anything WCFF please feel free to send me a PM or any of the longtime and successful players in the event that are here - radballs, Team Legacy, Bald is Beautiful, The Yellow Line is Unofficial and many, many more who would be glad to give your their experienced opinions.Perry Van HookCaptain Morgan - League 7
Thanks for the kind words. I actually remember league 7, keeping an eye on that draft board (We were league 10). The Warner thing--that played a role in our taking Shaub. And even taking Campbell, who I'd kinda like to hang onto.
 
I'm in a WCOFF $250 league ... not linked to the big one but same format. We drafted August 24th a bit early for my tastes but everyone gets the same disadvantages. The other key is that we went 3RR so picking 1.01 was great in that I got MJD it was painful in watching so many go before my 2nd and 3rd although I had an early 4th.

This league allows trades and I made quite a few ... all of the WR's I wanted by 2.12 were gone so I traded the pick and moved later for Greg Jennings. With news that Welker was dinged surfacing and bad vibes around Bowe, the trade saved my season from having RBrown, Pierre, or Brady/Brees and even less depth at RB/WR.

Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments

1.01 1. Smackdown Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Sun Aug 23 9:31:20 p.m. CT 2009 Paying a steep price in a 3RR hope he lives up to the hype!

3.12 36. Smackdown Bush, Reggie NOS RB Tue Aug 25 6:07:04 p.m. CT 2009 Upside of a RB1, downside of ... well Reggie Bush. Will check briefly for offers on 4.01 to move down.

4.01 37. Smackdown Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR Tue Aug 25 6:35:32 p.m. CT 2009 Better not turn back into Oucho Stinko on me

I thought strongly about Vince Jackson and Witten over Bush but the RB's I didn't reach for in the 2nd all went.

6.07 67. Smackdown Romo, Tony DAL QB Thu Aug 27 1:44:31 p.m. CT 2009 Thought for sure FF was trading up to steal the QB out from under my well laid out trade down draft plan.

I traded down from the 5th as I saw every QB after the big 4 still on the board and figured one would make it to me. I was thrilled to get Romo so late with so many picks coming up from my trades down.

6.10 70. Smackdown Jones, Thomas NYJ RB Thu Aug 27 2:58:17 p.m. CT 2009 The dreaded should be a 4th round pick steal but has downside causing him to drop a little pick.

Compared to the OP ... give me MJD, RBush, and TJones any day over Forte, Grant, and Jacobs in a PPR. I've got some risk but as long as I don't lose two of those RB's at once I'll be fine. Jones was insane value with guys like Felix Jones and Donald Brown already off the board.

7.09 81. Smackdown Hester, Devin CHI WR Fri Aug 28 12:18:17 a.m. CT 2009

My original plan was go take WR's non-stop but it just didn't fall that way to me in this format. Holt even went before this pick so it just had to be WR although the sleeper upside RB's kept going VERY early (LWashington, FJackson, FJones, Bradshaw, etc).

7.12 84. Smackdown Cutler, Jay CHI QB Fri Aug 28 10:19:30 a.m. CT 2009 The madness must end! Be it great depth or trade bait this is far and away BPA with 3 teams trying to wait a little too long for a QB1.

Either a draft killing mistake or genius. 3 teams still didn't have a QB1. This cost me a better WR4 (Mason) or RB4 (FJackson, Bradshaw, etc) but I felt there was enough sleeper depth later plus the potential to trade.

9.10 106. Smackdown Morgan, Josh SFO WR Sat Aug 29 9:26:22 a.m. CT 2009 Willing to briefly consider a trade down from 10.01 if anyone gets something to me asap

10.01 109. Smackdown Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Sat Aug 29 9:41:07 a.m. CT 2009 Will not so FWP step in another hole?

10.05 113. Smackdown Miller, Zach OAK TE Sat Aug 29 5:01:35 p.m. CT 2009

13.10 154. Smackdown Taylor, Fred NEP RB Mon Aug 31 1:10:12 p.m. CT 2009

Was thrilled with Morgan at the time ... he should still be viable. Got huge value at TE as the top ones went in the 4th then nothing for a long time kind of like the QB's. The hot sleepers were going faster than I anticipated. I'll have to hope FTaylor or Mendy can help should I need a RB4 this year.

14.01 157. Smackdown Campbell, Jason WAS QB Mon Aug 31 6:30:34 p.m. CT 2009

A PBA pick ... many teams didn't have a QB2 yet and his SOS meshed well with my QB's ... and if I trade Cutler gives me a viable backup.

14.05 161. Smackdown Jets, New York NYJ Def Mon Aug 31 8:27:47 p.m. CT 2009

16.01 181. Smackdown Williamson, Troy JAC WR Tue Sep 1 4:40:41 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

16.10 190. Smackdown Bell, Mike NOS RB Tue Sep 1 8:05:36 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

18.01 205. Smackdown Bironas, Rob TEN PK Wed Sep 2 12:18:58 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

19.12 228. Smackdown Goodson, Mike CAR RB Wed Sep 2 10:09:05 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

20.01 229. Smackdown Murphy, Louis OAK WR Wed Sep 2 10:09:05 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

20.05 233. Smackdown Rice, Sidney MIN WR Wed Sep 2 10:13:09 p.m. CT 2009 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

Mike Bell may be huge for me ... and really is my RB4 and protects my Reggie Bush pick. Just need Stewart to get hurt again for Goodson to be worth a mint. Love Murphy to be my true WR4 this year even when Chaz comes back. The Williamson pick will be my cut for WW fodder until I see if Rice can emerge before I need a backup TE/PK/DT.

My lineup:

Romo, MJD, RBush, TJones, Jennings, Ocho, Hester, ZMiller, Bironas, Jets

So far so good in week 1 with 181.15 where the other 3 in my division scored 131, 106, and 100.

 
Strategy:The goal, for us, is to win our league. Winning the whole thing is a nice dream, but cannot be a consideration.There is simply too many teams, and too much chance involved, to worry about winning the whole thing. So if we started looking at schedule, weeks 1-12 are a lot more important than weeks 13-16. We in general tried to not weight SOS that much, but if we were deciding between two players, we took a look at it. Some of our general strategies/principles:1. Figure out where we differ from the groupthink, and capitalize on that. Two of the big ones for us: 1-The idea that there is more RB depth this year, and 2--That once the top TE's are gone, you may as well wait, as the next group is all the same. Regarding the RBs, with the increase this year in RBBC, there's more players getting points, but to us that means there are fewer true studs at RB, making them that much more value. And with the flex, if you have three RBs that are getting all the work, it's a big advantage. I will get into it later as to how that affected our plan. Regarding the TEs, there were three guys we liked more than others, and we think they represent big value. Those three were: Greg Olsen, John Carlson, and Zach Miller. Olsen we like a lot more than the other two, and Carlson we like quite a bit more than Miller. With JaMarcus at QB, Miller's ceiling appears lower.2. Go for broke, to a certain extent. There's nothing to be proud of by finishing 2nd in your league. This thing costs a lot of money, I am not here for fun. The phrase we used as 'swing for the fences'. This dramatically affected our strategy in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The area we were not willing to gamble was on 'problem children'. For different reasons, we wanted no part of Brandon Marshall, Kellen Winslow, and Braylon Edwards. 3. Decide which teams we think will surprise, which will disappoint, and capitalize on that. Every year,fantasy studs emerge, and they often tend to do so from teams that emerge. We liked the offenses of Chicago and Seattle to improve quite a bit. We were willing to gamble on Shaub staying healthy, and the Texans offense to take the next step. I have major concerns about the Cards offense, thank god we weren't picking later, my partner would have pushed for Fitz in a big way. I think Matt Ryan will also take the next big step, and the Falcons to put up much better passing numbers.
Putting your picks aside, I really liked this strategy section. We all do it to some degrees, but I doubt I have seen it put so well. Bravo. Best of luck this year.
 
Here we go with our picks...Cloud of Feces IV out of the 9 spot...1) Andre Johnson: We targeted WR the whole time, and we figured we would get (at worst) the 4th WR (calvin Johnson). Fitz went at 5 and Moss went at 8, so we had AJ. Love him in PPR + the fact he has a late bye.2) Brian Westbrook: When we mocked this out, westbrook was the lynchpin. We needed some WRs to go so westbrook would fall, or we would have to go WR WR. 3) Kevin Smith: We mocked this out with Smith gone in almost every Mock we saw. We were looking at Ryan Grant. Grant went a pick before, and we feel we get some value at 3.09 with Smith. Again, with PPR, this kid is gold b/c even if Detroit is behind, they throw him the ball.4) TJ Hoosh: A product of Santonio Holmes' big night, someone had to fall for his rise. We were looking Holmes or V Jax, and again, in PPR are happy to see Hoosh here.5) Hines Ward: Hines is a 1A in Pittsburgh, and was 3 yards away from matching Holmes' points.6) Thomas Jones: Criminal that he fell this far. We had no thoughts of taking our third RB this early, but TJ is huge value.7) Matt Schaub: We love his upside, and we knew a decent amount of QBs have gone and will continue to go.8) Lesean McCoy: We targeted McCoy regardless of Westbrook. He was mocking at somewhere b/w the middle 8th to the mid 9th. I do not love handcuffing my guys in WCOFF, but this is a smart one.9) Steve Breaston: We love his upside, and we are one of two teams with no TE, but plenty of good guys are still out there.10) Steve Smith (NYG): Not a player we really targeted, but he was high on the board and someone needs to catch the ball in NY11) Kevin Faulk: The ultimate RB backup.12) Jermichael Finley: We got really caught at TE. Guys started Taking their #2s right after we took steve smith and it just got worse and worse. Right before we took faulk Heath Miller went (HEATH MILLER!) so we lost out on the TE position. I was targeting FInley much later, but I didn't want to lose him as welthe rest of the draft:QB: Pennington and Brady Quinn (rd 20)RB: Jaamal CHarlesWR: Mark CLayton and Michael JenkinsTE: FasanoK: KaedingD: JetsAll in all, we have strong rotations at WR and RB, we like Schaub, and are weak at TE. Our D and K are fine.Our starting lineup has no bye week issues, so we can rotate like this:RB:WestyKev SmithT JonesK faulk as the backup to all three positions.We are holding charles just in case, but he may be dead weight on this team.WR:A JohnsonTJ HooshH WardSteve Smith as the backup.Breaston and Clayton are the backups backups here. We will see what happens.TE: we added J Cook from Tenn (not high on Watson, and outbid for Royal) but we will play wait and see here.We lost week 1, but put up a decent score considering AJ and Schaub had bad weeks. We figure as they right the ship, so should we.
GatormanIf I would have known that was you sitting to my left in Vegas then I would have said hello sooner.SignedTorrential Reign---drafted from the 10 hole
 
great post - really great post. Sorry dude though a REALLY terrible team for PPR. I think you picked 3rd if you got Forte as MJD went 1 in most followed by AD. You were estactic getting Jacobs at end of round 2??? Jacobs as solid as he was last year finished #18 overall in PPR!! And Grant in the 3rd? Grant is just as lousy in PPR. Personally If I couldn't nab AD or MJD I would have looked wide out.. Sorry unless 2 of your wr's really take off could be a long season.
Legit criticisms, and ones that I outlined in my posts. If we had waited on backs, we would have needed a back to emerge, rather than a WR. And our thinking was that we liked the WRs in the middle rounds rather than the RBs. Just our personal preference. We've liked Smith, Schilens, and Crayton all along. As to Jacobs, you are right, he finished 18th in PPR last year (!!!). Also missed some games, and 1,000 yards of rushing just left for Tampa. We think there's a real good chance his numbers go up quite a bit. His PPG numbers are really nice. If he plays, he produces. I think he catches a lot more balls this year as well. Grant is really the linchpin. If he isn't a top 20 fantasy back, we are in trouble. Captain Hook brought up a great point, that RBs emerge moreso than WRs. Very true. My problem is, a lot of those guys emerge due to injury. Some of these RBBC guys will emerge when the other half of the committee gets banged up. But there's no way to predict that. And we don't get to draft 7 of these backs, and hope one of them emerge in the first two weeks. Whereas the WRs that we have, we think that they are going to emerge based on talent. We think Smith is the #1 guy for the Giants this year, and we don't believe in Roy Williams, so we like Crayton. DeSean has as much upside, to me, as Boldin does, who went in the 3rd round, 20-odd picks before we took DeSean. We never bought into the too many weapons theory in Philly. I see Westy, DeSean, and a bunch of question marks.
Not that if you waited I just thought the ones you took were mediocre to poor for where you drafted them. Bradshaw is better than Ward as a runner if you watched the preseason he was really bringing it. Grant might pan out but at 3.3 WAY too early. JMO herre man - If I am going to spend 1700 on a league I am not choosing that league to experiment and take HUGE risk picks with little upside. I don't know how you draft went how I would have drafted at 1.3 1.3 - L. Fitzgerald - all the backs have questions why not take the best WR in a PPR. 2.10 - Wayne/Jennings/S.Smith/Brees/Brady/Marion Barber3.3 - K. Smith / Boldin / Bowe4.10 - best RB out there for PPR if already had 2 or 3 wides - maybe Addai , Rice , Lynch , T. Jones5.3 - C. Benson 6.10 - best QB if I didn't have one in the 2nd.. Romo , Shaub , Ryan , Roth , Palmer Maybe McNabb hung around. say your team is Romo , K. Smith , Addai , Benson , Fitz , Jennings right now..7.3 - a Cotch or a H. Ward 8.10 - best TE - maybe Cooley or Carlson are still there JMO
 
Well, the plan certainly wasn't to "experiment" with players of limited reward and HUGE risk.

3.3 is very high for Ryan Grant, I agree. But we liked him better than players available, and there was no way he was going to make it to us at 4.10, so we took him at 3.3.

Jacobs averages 16 ppg, and we expected that to go up without Derrick Ward, so he made sense at the 2.10.

Unfortunately, so far the team we felt so great about on draft day has really crapped the bed, with our top two picks being the primary culprits (Forte, Jacobs), along with our TE coup (Olsen) and the unusually quiet Santana Moss.

Looks like mass has pretty well covered our predraft conversations in his breakdown. The only thing I would add is that I've been a WCOFFer from the first year, always with a partner, and this was by far the smoothest predraft process I've ever had. We just seemed to agree on most players. It was very, very rare for either of us to be super-high on a player and the other to just hate him. In fact, I really can't think of anyone -- maybe Santonio Holmes? -- who inspired ardent disagreement.

 
It may also be instructive, or depressing, to note our starting lineup decision-making process.

Week 1: We left 39 points on the bench, though I'm not sure many people would've started Michael Bush, Patrick Crayton, Steve Smith (NYG) and Tony Scheffler over Matt Forte, DeSean Jackson, Santana Moss and Greg Olsen. That week, there was actually no discussion about starting lineups, because we both agreed on every player, and it seemed obvious.

Week 2: We left 57 points on the bench. With Kevin Kolb starting, I was nervous about DeSean Jackson's role, and Jackson didn't exactly tear it up in Week 1, so he didn't seem like an untouchable start. He wound up scoring 21.6, while our boy Santana Moss, against the lowly Rams, managed only 6.5 (and fumbled). We'd picked up Mario Manningham during the week, as insurance against an injury to Steve Smith. As it happens, Manningham outscored Smith, and we should've started both of them. Manningham was huge, with 31 points on our bench. Our started, Patrick Crayton (we didn't even consider starting Manningham because he was not a starter, while Crayton was) only managed 3.4 points. Crayton seemed like a solid start to me because he'd been targeted 6 or 7 times the previous week, had scored a TD and because the Giants were very banged up in the secondary. As it happens, Crayton did have a 35-yard catch brought back by penalty, and was targeted in the end zone for a sure TD but for Romo's overzealous firing of a pass 4 yards downfield. Also, we lost out on 14 points at QB for starting Warner over Schaub (though, frankly, I don't see how anyone would have started Schaub over Warner, given how awful Houston looked in Week 1).

Week 3: Our original lineup featured Warner, the three RBs (Jacobs, Grant, Forte), Olsen, Kris Brown, the Saints defense (picked up this week because we didn't like Tennessee's matchup against a very efficient and protective Jets defense, while the Saints were sure to get many sack and INT opportunities against the Bills in what would surely be a shootout ... right? right), plus Steve Smith, DeSean Jackson and Santana Moss. We waffled on those WRs a lot, particularly with Jackson missing practice for most of the week. And could we really bench Manningham against the Bucs after the kind of week he had against Dallas? Two weeks, two TDs for Manningham. Yet, that would mean starting three Giants. If Manning has an off day, we're screwed. Shortly before kickoff, we decided to dump Ryan Grant from the lineup because he wasn't catching the ball, and because the Rams' defense, apart from a long run late in the Seahawks game by Julius Jones, had actually done a credible job. A former WCOFF partner of mine put a seed of doubt in me about starting Santana Moss, even though he was playing Detroit. After all, how many times can you be burned by one guy? Yet, Moss had 9 catches for 140 yards and a TD last year against the Lions, and of course the Lions were lit up by Drew Brees. Jason Campbell is no Brees, but if he did half of what Brees did, I'd be happy with Moss. So Moss was IN. Steve Smith was IN. Manningham was IN for Ryan Grant. That left us only watching for the status of DeSean Jackson. Our good friends at footballguys posited that the muddy field in Philadelphia, combined with the groin injury Jackson had suffered, might limit his playing time. Fearful, after two very painful weeks scoring, that we might get a goose egg ... we decided to remove Jackson from the lineup and go with Crayton. It remains to be seen how much that move will hurt us. As I write this, Warner has 15 points and Schaub had scored 26 (as did Campbell, by the way). And as I write this, we have left 40 points on the bench (turns out, DeSean and Grant both belonged in the lineup over Manningham, and Crayton needs at least 12 points to have earned his spot). EDIT: We wound up leaving 28 points on the bench.

Interestingly, the biggest criticism of our team (our weak WRs) has turned out to be a bit of a strength, though unfulfilled somewhat, as Jackson and Smith appear to be very credible receivers for us. Meanwhile, it's been the underachieving Forte (who did have 16 this week) and Jacobs (who did have 15), plus the thus-far disappointing Greg Olsen (who did have 15) who have been the biggest culprits in our slow start.

 
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We finally got in the win column, in big fashion, with the high score for the week putting up 152.20. And that was with DeSean on the bench, as the groin injury and wet field scared us away. Never again. If the kid is alive, we are starting him. We were actually sweating until Monday, as our opponent had the 3rd highest score. Tough loss for him.

We have a lot of depth, and as we head into the bye weeks, I feel it will start to pay off.

We've not really made a lot of notable free agent moves, backup TE, defense matchups we like, etc. But it seems like we did get a steal, grabbing Manningham the week before he exploded.

With byes, we lose Warner and DeSean. Shaub goes in for Warner, vs. the Raiders, and Crayton vs. the Broncos.

Our lineup this week:

Shaub--OAK

Forte--DET

Jacobs--@KC

Manningham--@KC

S. Smith--@KC

Moss--TB

Crayton--@DEN

Olsen--DET

Brown--OAK

TEN--@JAX

Lotta bad teams in that lineup, and while we are pretty much casting our lot with the Giants and Bears, I like our chances this week. Only other possibility is Grant as flex over Crayton, but he's playing the Vikes. With one catch, Crayton might outscore him.

our opponent:

Romo

Portis

C. Johnson

L. Johnson

C. Johnson

Driver

Clayton

Boss

Folk

And he needs to grab a D, as Philly is on a bye.

 
We are playing matchup at defense, and picked up Cincy's D this week, as they face the Browns. I think we outbid our opponent, who needs a D with PHI on a bye. He wound up with SF vs the Rams. We are playing Plaxico Mr. Big Shot, who is starting two WRs he picked up this week, Burton and Morgan, but not Caldwell, which surprises me.

Free agent activity this week:

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Andre Caldwell awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $215.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Josh Morgan awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $201.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Keenan Burton awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $201.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:47 PM: Mike Wallace awarded to Cat City Mashers for $125.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:47 PM: Jeremy Maclin awarded to Groove Back for $115.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Shaun Hill awarded to ATA-MAN CLAN for $71.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Sidney Rice awarded to tbd1 for $65.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Matthew Stafford awarded to Bionic Bob for $47.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Cincinnati Bengals awarded to mass libido for $45.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Kevin Kolb awarded to Dr. Weasel for $35.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Matt Prater awarded to Cat City Mashers for $16.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Bryant Johnson awarded to ATA-MAN CLAN for $11.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:50 PM: Randy McMichael awarded to mass libido for $7.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:50 PM: San Francisco 49ers awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $1.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:51 PM: Sebastian Janikowski awarded to Hankerchiefs for $1.

Blind Bidding Cap Remaining

ATA-MAN CLAN $751

Bionic Bob $905

Canadian Beavers $940

Cat City Mashers $357

Dixie Chickens $1,000

Dr. Weasel $646

Groove Back $728

Hankerchiefs $999

mass libido $709

Plaxico Mr. Big Shot $140

Rounders $818

 
I actually hope like hell our opponent had SF's defense rated above Cincinnati's, because I would hate to think we were the reason we had to face a defense that scored ... THIRTY-FOUR POINTS.

Looks like in Week 4, we left 10.9 points on the bench, with Ryan Grant outscoring Patrick Crayton by 9.5 (thanks in part to catching more passes in a game than he had since November 2007), and Jason Campbell outscoring Matt Schaub by 1.4.

 
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Well, this was an active week in free agency.

Mohamed Massaquoi went for almost $800 and our former draft pick, Kenny Britt, went for $350. Also, Sammy Morris, a personal favorite and free agency target of ours, went for almost $300.

We got the Philadelphia defense and Marcedes Lewis.

Lewis is a BYE-week fill-in for Greg Olsen. We've fiddled around with other TEs like Robert Royal, Tony Scheffler and most recently Randy McMichael, but decided none of those guys were decent bets to have a good week this week. Lewis, though, with the emergence of Mike Sims-Walker, and of course Torry Holt, could find room to roam in the secondary. Also, his opponent this week, Seattle, has allowed 15.4 and 16 points to TEs the past two weeks.

 
Hey guys, it seems you guys have been a little frugal with your bid bucks. IMO this is the wrong strategy. Think about the guys that blew their nut on Sims-Walker after week 1. If they spent $800 on him then they are sitting pretty. As long as you have enough $ left to put minimum bids on guys to cover your byes, you should be spending like drunken sailors on upside longshots.

 
We are playing matchup at defense, and picked up Cincy's D this week, as they face the Browns. I think we outbid our opponent, who needs a D with PHI on a bye. He wound up with SF vs the Rams. We are playing Plaxico Mr. Big Shot, who is starting two WRs he picked up this week, Burton and Morgan, but not Caldwell, which surprises me.

Free agent activity this week:

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Andre Caldwell awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $215.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Josh Morgan awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $201.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:46 PM: Keenan Burton awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $201.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:47 PM: Mike Wallace awarded to Cat City Mashers for $125.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:47 PM: Jeremy Maclin awarded to Groove Back for $115.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Shaun Hill awarded to ATA-MAN CLAN for $71.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Sidney Rice awarded to tbd1 for $65.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:48 PM: Matthew Stafford awarded to Bionic Bob for $47.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Cincinnati Bengals awarded to mass libido for $45.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Kevin Kolb awarded to Dr. Weasel for $35.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Matt Prater awarded to Cat City Mashers for $16.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:49 PM: Bryant Johnson awarded to ATA-MAN CLAN for $11.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:50 PM: Randy McMichael awarded to mass libido for $7.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:50 PM: San Francisco 49ers awarded to Plaxico Mr. Big Shot for $1.

Oct 2 2009 8:23:51 PM: Sebastian Janikowski awarded to Hankerchiefs for $1.

Blind Bidding Cap Remaining

ATA-MAN CLAN $751

Bionic Bob $905

Canadian Beavers $940

Cat City Mashers $357

Dixie Chickens $1,000

Dr. Weasel $646

Groove Back $728

Hankerchiefs $999

mass libido $709

Plaxico Mr. Big Shot $140

Rounders $818
ouch to the bolded
 
GatormanIf I would have known that was you sitting to my left in Vegas then I would have said hello sooner.SignedTorrential Reign---drafted from the 10 hole
T reign... We are both sitting at 2-2, but are 1 and 2 in points scored. Nice going and keep up the good work...
 
3-1 in League 23. Got crushed by #5 BAMA last week.

Pretty much all-in after picking up Mass and SRice this week..

First five picks from #3 spot - MJD, RWhite, Housh, VJax, DeJax

LAYER POS NFL OPP BYE TOT PTS INJ STATUS

Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT @ DET 8 89.15 - Starter

Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC @ SEA 7 85.30 - Starter

Donald Brown RB IND @ TEN 6 42.70 - Starter

T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR SEA vs JAC 7 46.80 - Starter

Roddy White WR ATL @ SFO 4 32.90 - Starter

DeSean Jackson WR PHI vs TAM 4 54.70 - Starter

Mohamed Massaquoi WR CLE @ BUF 9 27.90 - Starter

Zach Miller TE OAK @ NYG 9 25.60 Q Starter

Jason Elam K ATL @ SFO 4 17.60 P Starter

Buffalo Bills Def/ST BUF vs CLE 9 31.00 - Starter

Joe Flacco QB BAL vs CIN 7 86.95 - Reserve

Mark Sanchez QB NYJ @ MIA 9 58.00 - Reserve

Kevin Faulk RB NWE @ DEN 8 24.40 - Reserve

Chris Wells RB ARI vs HOU 4 7.10 - Reserve

Vincent Jackson WR SDG <bye> 5 69.30 - Reserve

Sidney Rice WR MIN @ STL 9 43.20 - Reserve

Hakeem Nicks WR NYG vs OAK 10 16.20 - Reserve

Johnny Knox WR CHI <bye> 5 45.00 - Reserve

Jeremy Shockey TE NOR <bye> 5 46.20 - Reserve

Mason Crosby K GNB <bye> 5 37.30 - Reserve

 
Hey guys, it seems you guys have been a little frugal with your bid bucks. IMO this is the wrong strategy. Think about the guys that blew their nut on Sims-Walker after week 1. If they spent $800 on him then they are sitting pretty. As long as you have enough $ left to put minimum bids on guys to cover your byes, you should be spending like drunken sailors on upside longshots.
I agree, and my partner really agrees. Sims-Walker was drafted in the 11th round, so we don't have to kick ourselves over that one. Otherwise, I gotta tell you, there hasn't been a free agent that we really bid on, until this week, that we missed out on. Would have loved to have gotten Morris and Massaquoi.
 

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