Aaron Hernandez is still the #2 TE in NE (1 Viewer)

[Football Jones]

It's only one game, & nothing definitive can be taken from it, but I've always believed, & continue to believe, that Gronkowski is the superior FF player. He rarely comes off the field & is a throwback to the big athletic TEs of the past. The trend has gone away from these types in recent years to the hybrid-types, but there's a reason TEs like Witten are top-notch FFers. They're simply too big for the DBs that are prevalent in nickel/dime Ds that teams rely on nowdays (because of the change in rules that make the passing game more prominent in today's NFL).

Gronkowski could develop into the best TE in FF, IMO (Brady at QB helps, of course). I do still like the hybrid-types, but guys like Witten, Gronkowski, & Kyle Rudolph (who is similar to Witten & Gronkowski, but even more athletic) will always have a place in the NFL (& FF).

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's only one game, & nothing definitive can be taken from it, but I've always believed, & continue to believe, that Gronkowski is the superior FF player. He doesn't come off the field & is a throwback to the big athletic TEs of the past. The trend has gone away from these types in recent years to the hybrid-types, but there's a reason TEs like Witten are top-notch FFers. They're simply too big for the DBs that are prevalent in nickel Ds that teams rely on nowdays (because of the change in rules that make the passing game more prominent in today's NFL). Gronkowski could develop into the best TE in FF, IMO (Brady at QB helps, of course). I do still like the hybrid-types, but guys like Witten, Gronkowski, & Kyle Rudolph (who is similar to Witten & Gronkowski, but even more athletic) will always have a place in the NFL (& FF).

This is an interesting argument to make on a night where Hernandez is on the field for almost every snap and has better numbers than Gronk.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

It's only one game, & nothing definitive can be taken from it, but I've always believed, & continue to believe, that Gronkowski is the superior FF player. He doesn't come off the field & is a throwback to the big athletic TEs of the past. The trend has gone away from these types in recent years to the hybrid-types, but there's a reason TEs like Witten are top-notch FFers. They're simply too big for the DBs that are prevalent in nickel Ds that teams rely on nowdays (because of the change in rules that make the passing game more prominent in today's NFL). Gronkowski could develop into the best TE in FF, IMO (Brady at QB helps, of course). I do still like the hybrid-types, but guys like Witten, Gronkowski, & Kyle Rudolph (who is similar to Witten & Gronkowski, but even more athletic) will always have a place in the NFL (& FF).

This is an interesting argument to make on a night where Hernandez is on the field for almost every snap and has better numbers than Gronk.

Maybe you missed this part...

It's only one game, & nothing definitive can be taken from it, but I've always believed, & continue to believe

 

[Vision6]

Hernandez going to be top 5 TE this year. Loving what I see

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Arguing over who looked better tonight is silly. They both looked good and will have ample opportunities to score.

 

[Eastwood]

Arguing over who looked better tonight is silly. They both looked good and will have ample opportunities to score.

Might as well view both as elite WRs.

 

[Football Jones]

To be clear, I'm not arguing Hernandez isn't a good FF TE. I'm simply saying Gronkowski is the better longterm FF prospect, IMO. It actually may not end up being that close as far as their career numbers, either. Gronkowski's game plays well in the colder months & who's to say this offensive philosophy will even be around in 3 or 4 seasons. Gronkowski can excel in any offensive philosophy.

In short, I believe Gronkowski is likely to be a top-5 TE for a long, long time (in both PPR & non-PPR).

 

[RBM]

Arguing over who looked better tonight is silly. They both looked good and will have ample opportunities to score.

They both looked GREAT

 

[Sabertooth]

To be clear, I'm not arguing Hernandez isn't a good FF TE. I'm simply saying Gronkowski is the better longterm FF prospect, IMO. It actually may not end up being that close as far as their career numbers, either. Gronkowski's game plays well in the colder months & who's to say this offensive philosophy will even be around in 3 or 4 seasons. Gronkowski can excel in any offensive philosophy.In short, I believe Gronkowski is likely to be a top-5 TE for a long, long time (in both PPR & non-PPR).

You have nothing to base this on at all, except for the fact that you are a Gronk owner. Colder months? Give me a break. What does he have ice skates on? Is it a race thing? You are completely baseless here. I realize you said IMO. Which is good. IMO, Hernandez is going to be like Austin Collie but you can use him in your TE slot.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Hernandez is the #2 TE in NE.

He also happens to be the #3 WR in that pass happy offense at the same time.

Combined, his stats are rolling.

 

[RBM]

To be clear, I'm not arguing Hernandez isn't a good FF TE. I'm simply saying Gronkowski is the better longterm FF prospect, IMO. It actually may not end up being that close as far as their career numbers, either. Gronkowski's game plays well in the colder months & who's to say this offensive philosophy will even be around in 3 or 4 seasons. Gronkowski can excel in any offensive philosophy.

In short, I believe Gronkowski is likely to be a top-5 TE for a long, long time (in both PPR & non-PPR).

You have nothing to base this on at all, except for the fact that you are a Gronk owner. Colder months? Give me a break. What does he have ice skates on? Is it a race thing? You are completely baseless here. I realize you said IMO. Which is good.

Stop

 

[moderated]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

 

[VaTerp]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.

Exactly. I guess Gates and Gonzales weren't really TEs either because they line up wide all the time. Hernandez is a TE. He just happens to play with another great TE and on a team that is creative with their offensive sets.Ridiculous to suggest that sites need to change his position designation.

 

[Football Jones]

Sabertooth,

Race? WOW. I won't even go there. Just expressing I believe Gronkowski is a better dynasty prospect. It has nothing to do with me owning Gronkowski, either (I do own him on one league).

BTW, the following is something good FFers should live by (& most already know)...players should drive your opinions, not your roster.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Seems like there is room for both to flourish. What a combo in best ball if you grabbed them both and can also flex them in.

 

[HAM]

Two Top 5 TE's from the same team?! #PatsWin I'll

Take either and take em to the bank. Dominate

 

[TheFanatic]

Seems like there is room for both to flourish. What a combo in best ball if you grabbed them both and can also flex them in.

I snagged both in the subscriber contest as it is almost certain that one will go off each week. I couldn't have hoped for a better situation at TE in that format.

 

[mrpnlu]

FWIW...most of you guys are basing gronk's and hernandez based on last year's numbers. I am a hernandez owner in a league where gronk was just dropped...So I was watching fairly closely on how they were used. I saw that Gronk was passed two twice for deep plays that ultimately was not completed. Of his 6 catches only 1 was in the endzone, so he had another 5 that obviously were not at the goal line. Hernandez' td was actually at the goal line, at 1, after that td on the next possession or so where he caught a couple deep balls, and the team was maybe on the 7, he was in and thrown to about maybe the 3 or 4 yard line. So the only conclusion I can draw is that both TEs have grown their roles from their rookie years. If I had to bet one who is the goal line TE, I'd bet Gronk, but not mutually exclusive to Hernandez and vice versa for the between the 20s. Secondly, for folks that are high on patriot offense right now, lets be realistic, brady will not be passing for over five hundo every week...so hoping that both are steadfast consistent top 10s are likely mistaken. So truth be told, I have no idea waht to expect going forward. But gaddang, hernandez looks the good. I know my english teacher will be appalled by my use of punctuation!

 

[VaTerp]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.

He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.

Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.

Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.

I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

 

[mrpnlu]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

 

[mrpnlu]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

think about whats going on...prior to season they were hopeful both top 10s...you just put them in the top 5 after a disasterous game by the dolphins. man u got the kool aid going,.

 

[VaTerp]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

think about whats going on...prior to season they were hopeful both top 10s...you just put them in the top 5 after a disasterous game by the dolphins. man u got the kool aid going,.

No I didnt put them in the top 5. I said they both have a good shot to be top 10 and personally I'd take either of them after Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley. I explained why I like them over Davis. I do like Daniels but Houston likes to run the ball more than the Pats do and I'd probably take both over Daniels. And you talk about how Hernandez owners felt in the first half, how did Graham owners feel before his 4th quarter TD???You don't have to agree with me. That's fine. For my money, I think we are about to see unprecedented use of two TEs in the passing game.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.

He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.

Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.

Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.

I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

think about whats going on...prior to season they were hopeful both top 10s...you just put them in the top 5 after a disasterous game by the dolphins. man u got the kool aid going,.

No I didnt put them in the top 5. I said they both have a good shot to be top 10 and personally I'd take either of them after Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley. I explained why I like them over Davis. I do like Daniels but Houston likes to run the ball more than the Pats do and I'd probably take both over Daniels. And you talk about how Hernandez owners felt in the first half, how did Graham owners feel before his 4th quarter TD???

You don't have to agree with me. That's fine. For my money, I think we are about to see unprecedented use of two TEs in the passing game.

If anybody is going to pull this off, it's Bilichick. For what it's worth, I think you're right. This could be pretty wild.

 

[Run It Up]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

 

[griff321]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

 

[Run It Up]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

It keeps coming up because Hernandez owners or fans keep just calling out Gronkowski owners or fans, whenever not directly they do so indirectly by saying hes the clear talent, or stating some of the BS that I was talking about in my previous post. Its ignorance not an opinion, you cant say someone is something they arent and not expected to get called out on it.

 

[Daywalker]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

WR1 WelkerWR2/3 Hernandez/GronkowskiLike Hernandez/Gronkowski are Driver/Nelson. But Welker will not get as many yds and td's as Jennings.Having a guy like Hernandez is so entertaining I don't care if I win my money back. Great game to watch.

 

[Daywalker]

Go to love the fact that after Hernandez came up short they went right back to him to give him some love. Pitch and catch hands in the air Moss-style. Man's game.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.

Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better.

They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

I didn't say anything about Gronk. Though indirectly Im calling Gronk the #1 TE.I am saying WRs dont do the in-tight formations. Not with any consistency whatsoever. Even big bruising WRs like Calvin and Andre Johnson.

 

[griff321]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

It keeps coming up because Hernandez owners or fans keep just calling out Gronkowski owners or fans, whenever not directly they do so indirectly by saying hes the clear talent, or stating some of the BS that I was talking about in my previous post. Its ignorance not an opinion, you cant say someone is something they arent and not expected to get called out on it.

Good lord you're behind and just way off base. We're saying he's VERY talented and Gronk is also VERY talented. So talented that in fact they both deserve and are game planned for enough targets to put up monster numbers for TEs on the same team like we've never seen before.

 

[Run It Up]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better. They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

It keeps coming up because Hernandez owners or fans keep just calling out Gronkowski owners or fans, whenever not directly they do so indirectly by saying hes the clear talent, or stating some of the BS that I was talking about in my previous post. Its ignorance not an opinion, you cant say someone is something they arent and not expected to get called out on it.

Good lord you're behind and just way off base. We're saying he's VERY talented and Gronk is also VERY talented. So talented that in fact they both deserve and are game planned for enough targets to put up monster numbers for TEs on the same team like we've never seen before.

There are multiple threads on the first two pages discussing this and their are few people saying that.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.

He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.

Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.

Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.

I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

think about whats going on...prior to season they were hopeful both top 10s...you just put them in the top 5 after a disasterous game by the dolphins. man u got the kool aid going,.

No I didnt put them in the top 5. I said they both have a good shot to be top 10 and personally I'd take either of them after Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley. I explained why I like them over Davis. I do like Daniels but Houston likes to run the ball more than the Pats do and I'd probably take both over Daniels. And you talk about how Hernandez owners felt in the first half, how did Graham owners feel before his 4th quarter TD???

You don't have to agree with me. That's fine. For my money, I think we are about to see unprecedented use of two TEs in the passing game.

Folks owning both or either are probably pretty stoked about things right now after the MIA game. Great to see it pay off.This should be pretty cool as the season moves forward, really either could outscore the other in any given week.

 

[griff321]

No Brady won't be passing for 5 hundo every week but he's Tom Brady.

He will be really good all year. NE has shown that they will throw the ball in ANY situation and I think they will make unprecedented use of two TE sets this year.

Gronk and Hernandez are both elite talents at the position IMO and will have success all year long. The stat lines won't be like tonight every week but both have a good shot to be in the top 10.

Outside of Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley I can't think of any other TEs I'd take over them. Clark is without Manning. Davis plays in a significantly worse offense and question mark at QB, and the list goes on and on.

I'd take these two over just about everybody else. This offense is going to move the ball and the TEs look like options 1B and 1C with Welker.

I dont know Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and maybe Owen Daniels come to mind. And dont forget how good Deion Branch looked tonite...Just goes to show Brady will exploit the mistmatch, and today the entire team was a mismatch for the dolphins. Chicken Littles get to crazy is my point. I just want all hernandez to remember how they were feeling in the first half of this game.

think about whats going on...prior to season they were hopeful both top 10s...you just put them in the top 5 after a disasterous game by the dolphins. man u got the kool aid going,.

No I didnt put them in the top 5. I said they both have a good shot to be top 10 and personally I'd take either of them after Gates, Witten, and maybe Finley. I explained why I like them over Davis. I do like Daniels but Houston likes to run the ball more than the Pats do and I'd probably take both over Daniels. And you talk about how Hernandez owners felt in the first half, how did Graham owners feel before his 4th quarter TD???

You don't have to agree with me. That's fine. For my money, I think we are about to see unprecedented use of two TEs in the passing game.

Folks owning both or either are probably pretty stoked about things right now after the MIA game. Great to see it pay off.This should be pretty cool as the season moves forward, really either could outscore the other in any given week.

Yup, I paid a very low price in every league they were acquired. Some people obviously paid a bit more because of the adp and all, but because of last year a lot of owners let them slide.

 

[Tony Reali]

I got him for Ben Tate to the Foster owner. I have Witten as well. Should I just try to deal Hernandez, or keep him and deal Witten for a possible big upgrade? It's a PPR league, maybe if that gives him more value.

 

[Run It Up]

I got him for Ben Tate to the Foster owner. I have Witten as well. Should I just try to deal Hernandez, or keep him and deal Witten for a possible big upgrade? It's a PPR league, maybe if that gives him more value.

Obviously entertain offers for either, I would likely keep both on my team but wouldnt turn down an upgrade at a different position unless you can flex a TE or start more than one.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.

Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better.

They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

WR1 WelkerWR2/3 Hernandez/Gronkowski

Like Hernandez/Gronkowski are Driver/Nelson. But Welker will not get as many yds and td's as Jennings.

Having a guy like Hernandez is so entertaining I don't care if I win my money back. Great game to watch.

Welker had twice as many yards and TDs as Jennings in Week 1. I think he'll probably outscore Jennings the rest of the way, too. Welker looks faster and sharper this year than last.

 

[Daywalker]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.

Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better.

They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

WR1 WelkerWR2/3 Hernandez/Gronkowski

Like Hernandez/Gronkowski are Driver/Nelson. But Welker will not get as many yds and td's as Jennings.

Having a guy like Hernandez is so entertaining I don't care if I win my money back. Great game to watch.

Welker had twice as many yards and TDs as Jennings in Week 1. I think he'll probably outscore Jennings the rest of the way, too. Welker looks faster and sharper this year than last.

Welker could very well have as many yds. Td's very unlikely. I'd put it at 80% chance Jennings has more td's.

 

[Run It Up]

Hernandez isn't really a TE, he lines up at wr all the time. A huge advantage if FF sites don't change his position designation.

He also lines up at TE all the time.He is literally the #2 TE on the team and the #3 WR.

Its puts him in the exact same classification as Gates, Clark and Finley.

So, do you just pretend that Gronkowski doesnt also do this? I love both of these TEs but go in any thread on here and you will here this same exact argument by uninformed people just assuming that because Aaron Hernandez looks like a WR he is the better talent, when in reality Gronkowski is better.

They both have their pluses (granted Gronkowski is better in almost every regard) but to say that Hernandez is better because of whatever bs people just crap out their faces is dumb. "He creates more missmatches" Nope, "Hes faster" barely, "Hes quicker" not off the line he isnt, "He has better hands" no he doesnt... "Hes a better route runner" may be true, didnt appear to be the case in college or in the NFL last year (or week 1 this year)

Very very few people are saying this. Your argument is terrible, because the people who agree with me think that we're seeing something that has never really happened like this. Two very talented TEs that are going to put up top 10 TE numbers on the same team. It doesn't matter who is better. It's not even part of the conversation and I can't understand why people that don't think it'll happen keep bringing it up.

WR1 WelkerWR2/3 Hernandez/Gronkowski

Like Hernandez/Gronkowski are Driver/Nelson. But Welker will not get as many yds and td's as Jennings.

Having a guy like Hernandez is so entertaining I don't care if I win my money back. Great game to watch.

Welker had twice as many yards and TDs as Jennings in Week 1. I think he'll probably outscore Jennings the rest of the way, too. Welker looks faster and sharper this year than last.

Welker could very well have as many yds. Td's very unlikely. I'd put it at 80% chance Jennings has more td's.

Meh, they spread the ball in Greenbay more than in NE, which is saying something.Different kind of receivers, youre most likely right but 80% seems really high.

 

[David Yudkin]

For whoever asked, Gronk played 75 snaps. Hernandez played 66.

 

[ponchsox]

So where do you rank these guys right now over TEs like Vernon Davis? Are they must starts every week?

 

[Sabertooth]

So where do you rank these guys right now over TEs like Vernon Davis? Are they must starts every week?

I think if you have them you have to start them over anyone outside of your top 4 or 5 guys. If you are lucky enough to have them with Witten or Davis, let the weeks play out a little bit and then trade one away.

 

[Thomsen]

Just got offered Dallas Clark and Collie for Hernandez, how the fantasy world has changed in 1 week. The worst part is, I'm actually considering rejecting it because I love Hernandez upside so much.

 

[Porkchop]

So where do you rank these guys right now over TEs like Vernon Davis? Are they must starts every week?

I have Hernandez on my team, but don't overreact to one week of football. Brady isn't going to throw for 517 yards every week, and both TEs aren't going to snag a TD every game. The Pats have a lot of receivers (Welker, Branch, Ocho, even Woodhead) who are going to shine in different games.The reason these guys aren't in the top tier of TEs is that they're not the focus of their offense, which will lead to some inconsistency. I'm not going to try to rank them vs V.Davis, but note that he still went 5 for 47 in a week where his entire offense only threw for 124 yards. This might be close to Davis' floor, and the Pat TE's collective ceiling.Don't misunderstand... if you have Gronk or Hernandez on your team, be happy. Just don't overreact.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

I own Gronk, deciding whether to add Hernandez to use in the Flex on occasion. It might just drive me to drink (more) deciding which one, or both, to start each week. Maybe I'll pick him up to deny another team from having him.

 

[bulger2holt]

Just got offered Dallas Clark and Collie for Hernandez, how the fantasy world has changed in 1 week. The worst part is, I'm actually considering rejecting it because I love Hernandez upside so much.

Considering rejecting ? No way in hell I make that trade if I were you.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

When everyone was grabbing the Gates, Finleys and Clarks in my 14 team PPR league, I waited back until the mid-late rounds and grabbed Hernandez (maybe even a few rds early based on ADP) but I knew I wanted him this year. Helps being a NE fan so I can watch and root for him but I think him and Gronk are both in for big years. Could easily see Hernandez getting 70-80 receptions this year.

Also everyone needs to stop arguing about Gronk and Hernandez. It is not a traditional offense so you can't view them as 1-2 on the depth chart etc. Liking Gronk or Hernandez doesn't mean the other will suck, not mutually exclusive. The Pats have gone to an almost exclusively 2-3 TE offense and I agree with others where you can classify them more as Gronk as TE #1/WR #3-4 with Hernandez as WR 2-3/TE 2. Hernandez is Dallas Clark and Gronk is well, not sure, just a physical freak.

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

I can start a TE in a flex and I think I am going with Hernandez and Witten this week.

It would be Hernandez over DeAngelo, Julio Jones, Garcon......

 

[silentcoach]

When two players are rated relatively closely, take the player that will receive the most targets. So far...Hernandez is leading Gronkowski in targets. Let's see what happens in the following weeks.

 

[two_dollars]

I rank him right there with my OTHER TE, Jimmy Graham.. it's going to be tough to decide who to start each week.. except next week.. Hernandez (I'm a Bears fan.)