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Aaron Rodgers Failing To Inspire Confidence (1 Viewer)
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Team Legacy
Footballguy
Sounds like another Drew Brees to me.
Does sound familiar, doesn't it?I would imagine it takes the ball a little longer to get there than Favre's, so I wonder if Rogers is suffering in comparison to Favre. I'd also like to know which Packers' players are buzzing - the "unnamed players" bit really does very little to alter my opinion.
Full disclosure - I do not own Rogers in any FF league.
nightshift
Footballguy
Rodgers would do better under a different system, different coaching. GB is such as mess that even a VET QB would have a hard time, especially filling in for Favre.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Shoud have kept Nall.......
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Off the top of my head, mediocre guys like Garcia, Fiedler and Griese seemed to do just fine and even take their teams to the playoffs.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Well sure, but the average QB doesn't have a long and successful career with the team that drafted them. Following HOF player has nothing to do with it, and Garcia, Fiedler and Griese did much better than high first round picks like Joey Harrington (following Harrington), Cade McNown (following Erik Kramer) and Akili Smith (following Jeff Blake).I agree that the QBs following legends aren't likely to do as well as the legends, but that goes for any QB that's drafted. Aaron Rodgers wasn't any more likely to be the next Brett Favre whether the Packers or 49ers drafted him, and Carson Palmer wasn't any more likely to be the next Jim Kelly whether the Bills or Bengals drafted him.
RC94
Footballguy
I disagree to an extent. Yes, a guy will usually be as good as his talent allows him to be (and the talent surrounding him), regardless of what team he is on. However, following a legend is also about perception, and if Rodgers is a mediocre starter in GB he will be run out of town just like the others you mentioned. Plus, the pressure involved with following in the footsteps of a guy like Favre can have a damaging affect on a player's development. It would be easier for Rodgers to succeed with a franchise that would be more willing to accept mediocre play from its QB than it will be for him to succeed with a franchise and a fan base that is used to HOF level play.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Bump up Ingle Martin folks.
- pending what we hear about him in camp and during the year.
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Yep. He has the tools, in my opinion. And I get the impression that Rodgers' doesn't have a very firm grasp on the backup job. With a little quarterback mentoring, which I hear McCarthy is good at, I think Ingle Martin can give Rodgers a run for his money.
Rovers
Footballguy
One unsubstantiated report like this, and Rodgers is garbage? LOL. He is learning a second whole new offensive scheme in his second year in the NFL. Learning a new system isn't easy for a vet, nevermind a second year QB who has little playing time under his belt. I wouldn't be playing taps just yet, but having said that, as a Rodgers owner in one dynasty league, I jumped for Ingle Martin in the fifth round. Better safe than sorry!
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Oops. Following Batch, of course. Good catch.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I'm not sure who that's directed at. I certainly never called him garbage. However, we're entering season two, and the only news I've heard on Rodgers hasn't been glowing. I think Ingle Martin and Aaron Rodgers battling it out after Favre hangs them up is a good thing.
I wouldn't say this is the first negative report on Rodgers. He was terrible in preseason last year, and there were murmurs about him not living up to billing. Then there was talk that he might be sent to NFLE, which is a horrible sign if you ask me. The coaches did talk him up in minicamp this year, so that's a positive, but a Packers beat reporter who covered the first minicamp also reported that he is still having problems throwing an accurate deep ball Link
By this point in a first round QBs career, you want to hear a lot more positive news than we've heard so far about Rodgers...
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't disagree, but lots of QBs have had rocky starts to their careers. Rodgers hasn't even started a game yet, so it's hard to really make any judgments on him.
houndirish
Footballguy
Reports like this make me smile. I drafted Martin in the final round of my dynasty rookie draft.
Giddyup!
Giddyup!
EBF
Footballguy
I don't really think Rodgers has a huge impact on Martin's dynasty value. Did you bump up Sage Rosenfels last year because AJ Feeley and Gus Frerotte stunk it up?
If Martin is an NFL-caliber QB, then he'll eventually get a shot to start somewhere. If Martin is not an NFL-caliber QB, then he'll probably never get a shot to start somewhere. Whether or not he succeeds or fails has little to do with Rodgers.
If Martin is an NFL-caliber QB, then he'll eventually get a shot to start somewhere. If Martin is not an NFL-caliber QB, then he'll probably never get a shot to start somewhere. Whether or not he succeeds or fails has little to do with Rodgers.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
in fact, i did give Rosenfels a minor bump during the season last year because he had a possible opportunity to play. I agree with the gist of your post, but it never hurts a player to have extra opportunity, and if Rodgers struggles in his development, that will open the door earlier for Martin, which increases his value in dynasty leagues. For example: are you saying Whitehurst's dynasty value DOESN'T goes up if Rivers stinks this year?
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Rovers
Footballguy
Not directed at anyone at all..... just the general tone of acceptance that Rodgers is (will be) a bust. There have also been some positives, like this article, from the blogger:Leader of the Pack ... eventually
Updated 5/22/2006 1:23 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this
Enlarge By Mike Roemer, AP
Brett Favre's offseason indecision allowed Aaron Rodgers to make great strides as an NFL quarterback while leading Green Bay's practices.
By Dylan B. Tomlinson, The (Appleton, Wis.) Post-Crescent
GREEN BAY, Wis. — Aaron Rodgers may not take over as the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback for another year or two, but with every day of practice, it is becoming easier to envision him in that role.
While Brett Favre's indecision about his future lingered over the Packers until late April, no player benefited more from that uncertainty than Rodgers.
He has spent the majority of the offseason in Green Bay, and when offseason workouts began on March 20, Rodgers didn't miss a day.
The results show on the field. A year ago, after being taken in the first round of the NFL Draft, Rodgers looked like a rookie with potential. Right now, he looks like a future NFL starter.
"It's easy to imagine him as a starter," Packers receiver Marc Boerigter said. "He's got a ton of talent and he's clearly a leader out there."
The biggest difference from a year ago is Rodgers' comfort level with the offense. Packers offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said the work Rodgers has done during the offseason is paying dividends.
"There's a reason he's so confident out there," Jagodzinski said. "He knows all of these plays so well and he knows this offense as well as anyone."
Sitting in his locker on Saturday, Rodgers held an enormous green binder that contains the majority of the offense. When asked if he had it memorized, Rodgers laughed.
"Don't say that," Rodgers said, "but I know it pretty well."
Jagodzinski didn't have the chance to see Rodgers as a rookie, but said he's been impressed with the leadership he's shown on the field, something that's fairly rare for a 22-year-old.
"He's got a great command in the huddle, and that's not something you can teach," Jagodzinski said. "He's clearly comfortable in the role as a leader."
After spending countless hours working with Packers coach Mike McCarthy and quarterbacks coach Tom Clements, the studying is turning Rodgers into a much better player.
"I think it's directly related to the time I've spent here," Rodgers said. "I spent a bunch of hours a day for seven weeks. I think I've got a really good grasp of it and that was really one of my goals this offseason."
When the 2005 season ended, Rodgers immediately began preparing for the 2006 season under the assumption that he would be the starter. While Favre's future was unknown, Rodgers wasn't about to take any chances.
When Favre was allowed to skip the second minicamp, Rodgers got even more opportunity to show the coaching staff and his teammates what he's capable of doing when he works with the starting offense.
"I've kind of been 'The Guy' all spring, so that's not really a different role," Rodgers said. "It's just an opportunity to exert leadership and work on things to get better, and start getting those guys to follow my lead."
His teammates have taken notice of Rodgers' progress.
"He looks good. He's very consistent right now," Packers receiver Donald Driver said. "I think the biggest thing with him is he has to trust us. We trust him, he's just got to get the trust with us. Once he gets to knowing where we're going to be at, just like Brett has that communication with us, then everything will work."
McCarthy knows how much Favre's absence can benefit his quarterback of the future.
"It's very important," McCarthy said. "This is the closest environment you get to playing in a game. For a quarterback, you can't have enough live reps. This is a very important time for the development of a quarterback."
While Rodgers has made great strides this offseason, he still feels like there's always room to improve.
"My expectations are still sky-high. I don't feel any pressure. I just have to execute," Rodgers said. There are a lot of areas I need to work on in order to reach my expectations, which are probably higher than anyone else out there."
Yes, there were some bad reports on him last year. He was a rookie! Compare this thread starting article to the one I just pasted, which has quotes from players and coaches. Yeah, I realise if a player is going to say negative stuff about another, they don't want it on the record, but at the same time, I just don't trust reporters who make unsubstantiated reports either.Heck, I don't know if Rodgers will be a bust anymore than I know whether Alex Smith will be one...... but it's just way to early to make that call.
MU Seminole
Footballguy
Your league starts a punter?
EBF
Footballguy
I suppose his value would temporarily go up, but his odds of ultimately becoming a successful NFL player would be unaffected. Whitehurst either has the goods or doesn't have the goods. The only thing Rivers effects is how quickly we might found out whether Whitehurst can play. Maybe a good comparison is Chris Simms. His value has gone up a bit now that he has a chance to start, but he's still relatively cheap and his value will be in the toilet if he doesn't have a good season.
So I suppose Rodgers has a slight effect on the opportunity part of Martin's value, but he has no effect on the talent part (which is the most important thing in a dynasty).
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trader jake
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i read your post just above as well (so i realize we are splitting hairs here) but i'll disagree. rodgers success or failure does have an impact on ingle martin's dynasty valueyou mentioned gus frerotte: remember who he backed up after being a late round pick when a stud first rounder was going to be "the guy"?drum roll...heath shuler
if aaron rodgers resembles heath shuler in any way we might be seeing ingle martin on the field as soon as next season. if rodgers grabs control of the job once brett retires martin might never get a shot at all (moving teams doesn't guarantee anything...especially if the first three or four years of your career are spent on the bench with few reps in training camp and in the exhibition games)just my 2 cents
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Sounds more to me like another Patrick Ramsey.QB of the future for the last HC, and is just a high-priced unproven player to the new HC.
Ramsey will play better than most people think in NY and I think Rogers may do pretty well once he moves on from GB and is no longer "they guy replacing Brett Favre".
BoltBacker
Footballguy
There have been several more reports that Rodgers wasn't a favorite of the coaching staff even before camps opened. There was then one glimmer of hope for Rodgers in GB when the new HC said something positive but that was followed by the decision to draft Ingle Martin. Sounds to me exactly like Gibbs/Ramsey.
Link to those? Because I think, as a packers homer, I believe that is BS.Aaron Rodgers has been in Green Bay all offseason, Mike McCarthy is very happy with him, from reports from local outlets. I've listened to just about every interview that Mike McCarthy has put out and the vast majority of the interviews coming from the players after minicamps and the first half of OTA's. I've not heard a shred of anything that would even hint to that fact. From all I have heard, they are very happy with Aaron Rodgers' progress in the system, he's getting a lot of reps in practice, he's bigger, he's much less mechanical and he's most definitely a leader.
His deep ball is his problem, and that is no surprise to anyone.
In fact, this report from Vic is about the only thing I've seen coming out where the pub on Rodgers was not positive.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
I searched high and low for them but I'll admit I can't find them now. Maybe it was speculation I had read based on Ted Thompson saying they wouldn't hesitate drafting a QB at #5 if he was the best player available. Since I can't find it I'll retract my original statement. Funny thing is I was sure I had read it even before the Thompson statement, shortly after McCarthy was hired. My bad.
Totally understandable. To be honest, there wasn't much faith in Rodgers after last season, from what I understand But the news has been pretty positive all around so far this offseason. From what I have heard, the Packers are very happy with how Rodgers is developing, they love his leadership and he's night and day better in the offense then he was last season.I wouldn't read too much into the Ingle Martin thing. After Nall left, they had pretty much zilch behind Rodgers and Favre. Ted Thompson is a Ron Wolf disciple and he pretty much always took a later round QB to develop. These tended to take shape as trade chips later on (Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks). I think that's just Thompson following his mentor's lead.
Thompson also DID say that he wouldn't rule out a QB at the fifth pick, but that sort of turned into one of those misdirection sort of statements pre-draft, as he had pretty much made up his mind that AJ Hawk would be the #1 guy on their list about 3 weeks before draft day.
All in all, I think the Packers like what they have in Rodgers and pretty much every other week or so, you'll hear another quote, story or comment from coaches or beat reporters stating how well he's doing.
Unless he completely falls on his face, I think it's pretty close to a done deal that he'll be the next starting QB for GB when Favre retires. So far, he's done all that has been asked of him and more. There's a lot of positive buzz about him from what I've been hearing.
wannabee
Footballguy
Aaron Rodgers has reportedly been "... Published Fri Jun 16 5:08:00 p.m. ET 2006
(Rotoworld) Aaron Rodgers has reportedly been "spotty at best" during OTAs in Green Bay.
Impact: Rodgers' dismal practice reports were a regular occurence last year and the Green Bay writers don't seem to think he's improved much. With Brett Favre taking some time off, Rodgers could be wasting an opportunity to impress the new coaching staff.
(Rotoworld) Aaron Rodgers has reportedly been "spotty at best" during OTAs in Green Bay.
Impact: Rodgers' dismal practice reports were a regular occurence last year and the Green Bay writers don't seem to think he's improved much. With Brett Favre taking some time off, Rodgers could be wasting an opportunity to impress the new coaching staff.
When I first read the title I thought you meant that he isn't taking a very good leadership role.
1. Rodgers has never had great or even that good of arm strength.
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2. He also has always had an akward delivery.
He was never by no means a perfect prospect or even great. He was in a weak draft class and both him and Alex Smith got overrated. I was listed Alex Smith as a 2nd Round QB before anybody else even mentioned his name (after I saw him have a 70 yard TD run which was just pure amazing) and I didn't think he'd ever rise to the 1st overall pick he was. Point it, Rodgers is never going to wow anybody with his arm strength or delivery. He has amazing accuracy and threads the needle extremly well. He has pinpoint accuracy and he could eventually be a very good starter someday. He needs to get some playing time is the problem. You think after a 29 INT season if the Packers would learn to move on, but, I guess not.
1. Rodgers has never had great or even that good of arm strength.
and
2. He also has always had an akward delivery.
He was never by no means a perfect prospect or even great. He was in a weak draft class and both him and Alex Smith got overrated. I was listed Alex Smith as a 2nd Round QB before anybody else even mentioned his name (after I saw him have a 70 yard TD run which was just pure amazing) and I didn't think he'd ever rise to the 1st overall pick he was. Point it, Rodgers is never going to wow anybody with his arm strength or delivery. He has amazing accuracy and threads the needle extremly well. He has pinpoint accuracy and he could eventually be a very good starter someday. He needs to get some playing time is the problem. You think after a 29 INT season if the Packers would learn to move on, but, I guess not.
Banger
Footballguy
Why? If he can't even perform in practice why would you throw him into a game? It certainly won't get easier in a real game. Look at Rivers, he's been sitting longer, he's waited, done his job and now he gets his shot. Getting drafted doesn't mean you should automatically get the job you need to earn it.
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I think some people are confusing things here. The previous staff wasn't "wowed" by Rodgers at times. IIRC It was a december article that sent things rollin around here. It's a new staff, new chance for Rodgers.
He did well in the first minicamp(another thread here) and if he was "eh" recently....well he's got "no" NFL experience so the god with the bad is expected
He did well in the first minicamp(another thread here) and if he was "eh" recently....well he's got "no" NFL experience so the god with the bad is expected
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This thread should teach us never to be too quick judging a young QB.
Wonder what Ingle Martin is up to these days.
Wonder what Ingle Martin is up to these days.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Shoulda kept Craig Nall.This thread should teach us never to be too quick judging a young QB.Wonder what Ingle Martin is up to these days.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
This is the best resurrected post yet.
Bloom
Stuart
Luv ya guys!
Bloom
Stuart
Luv ya guys!
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I still remember watching Packer Family Night scrimmage in the preseason a few years back and Packer fans were booing Rodgers unmercifully.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Everyone in the 49ers organization must want to commit suicide.
Edit: The Silver & Black took the legendary Fabian Washington ONE PICK before Rodgers was selected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
Edit: The Silver & Black took the legendary Fabian Washington ONE PICK before Rodgers was selected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
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That's an ugly top 10 in hindsight. Carlos Rogers is the pick of the litter.Everyone in the 49ers organization must want to commit suicide.
Edit: The Silver & Black took the legendary Fabian Washington ONE PICK before Rodgers was selected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
