Aaron Rodgers should be in the discussion for league MVP (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

He's having a spectacular season. I don't think the Packers win more than 4 or 5 games with Flynn in there. He's been phenomenal in the red zone and just hasn't killed his team with the pick like the last guy did. He's leading all QBs in rushing yards with 302 rushing yards making him a dual-threat.

He's got great intangibles and is a real team player. He's shown great leadership and professionalism in the wake of the Favre fiasco.

He's the only player in NFL history to throw for more than 4000 yards in his first two seasons as a starter.

So why isn't he talked about with Manning and Johnson?

 

[Sleeping King]

Completely agree, but there is no chance of him winning. Manning is the golden boy of the league (not saying he doesn't deserve it). He plays on the best team and like people were saying yesterday once he came out of the game the Colts fell apart which virtually guaranteed him the MVP.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Who needs a crutch when you are having a season like Rodgers is. He's having a phenomenal season.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Who needs a crutch when you are having a season like Rodgers is. He's having a phenomenal season.

Ask the other poster....but I agree....good season.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Your WAY off base. I put avg /poor because first half of the season they were poor ...correct>????????? now they are avg......... correct??????its pretty straight foward.... correct?????

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Your WAY off base. I put avg /poor because first half of the season they were poor ...correct>????????? now they are avg......... correct??????its pretty straight foward.... correct?????

Oh now ur getting all sensitive.You changed a AR talk to his oline.....when in fact him holding onto the football made his oline look much worse......correct???If your going to point out a negative about a player's surroundings(aka an excuse) then be ready to throw out a positive(skill position players)Pretty straight forward.....correct???

 

[Chase Stuart]

Here are your top 20 in ANY/A:

Rk					   Tm Age  G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A  Y/C   Y/G  Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A  Sk%1		 Philip Rivers SDG  28 15		  308 471 65.4 4155 27 5.7   9  1.9  81 8.8  9.1 13.5 277.0 104.5 25 167  8.0   8.3  5.02			Drew Brees NOR  30 15		  363 514 70.6 4388 34 6.6  11  2.1  75 8.5  8.9 12.1 292.5 109.6 20 135  8.0   8.3  3.73		Peyton Manning IND  33 15		  379 553 68.5 4405 33 6.0  15  2.7  80 8.0  7.9 11.6 293.7 101.0 10  74  7.7   7.7  1.84			 Tony Romo DAL  29 15		  323 516 62.6 4172 24 4.7   8  1.6  80 8.1  8.3 12.9 278.1  97.0 32 180  7.3   7.5  5.85			 Tom Brady NWE  32 15		  354 539 65.7 4212 28 5.2  12  2.2  81 7.8  7.9 11.9 280.8  97.4 15  82  7.5   7.5  2.76		   Matt Schaub HOU  28 15		  372 544 68.4 4467 27 5.0  14  2.6  72 8.2  8.0 12.0 297.8  99.1 24 141  7.6   7.5  4.27		 Aaron Rodgers GNB  26 15		  329 515 63.9 4199 29 5.6   7  1.4  83 8.2  8.7 12.8 279.9 102.4 50 306  6.9   7.4  8.88		   Brett Favre MIN  40 14		  312 460 67.8 3565 27 5.9   7  1.5  63 7.8  8.2 11.4 254.6 104.1 31 226  6.8   7.3  6.39		Donovan McNabb PHI  33 13		  247 407 60.7 3330 22 5.4  10  2.5  60 8.2  8.2 13.5 256.2  94.5 31 232  7.1   7.1  7.110		  Eli Manning NYG  28 15		  300 486 61.7 3880 27 5.6  13  2.7  74 8.0  7.9 12.9 258.7  94.2 27 195  7.2   7.1  5.311   Ben Roethlisberger PIT  27 14		  319 479 66.6 4108 23 4.8  12  2.5  60 8.6  8.4 12.9 293.4  98.9 47 329  7.2   7.0  8.912		  Vince Young TEN  26 11		  135 231 58.4 1708 10 4.3   6  2.6  66 7.4  7.1 12.7 155.3  85.2  9  36  7.0   6.7  3.813		  Kurt Warner ARI  38 14		  335 507 66.1 3722 26 5.1  14  2.8  45 7.3  7.1 11.1 265.9  93.3 24 172  6.7   6.5  4.514		   Kyle Orton DEN  27 15		  304 485 62.7 3371 20 4.1   9  1.9  87 7.0  6.9 11.1 224.7  89.3 27 156  6.3   6.3  5.315		   Joe Flacco BAL  24 15		  304 480 63.3 3511 21 4.4  12  2.5  72 7.3  7.1 11.5 234.1  89.5 32 206  6.5   6.2  6.316		David Garrard JAX  31 15		  292 477 61.2 3395 13 2.7   9  1.9  63 7.1  6.8 11.6 226.3  84.0 39 231  6.1   5.9  7.617			Matt Ryan ATL  24 13		  240 416 57.7 2693 20 4.8  12  2.9  90 6.5  6.1 11.2 207.2  81.1 18  83  6.0   5.7  4.118		Carson Palmer CIN  30 15		  281 455 61.8 3094 21 4.6  12  2.6  73 6.8  6.5 11.0 206.3  86.3 26 213  6.0   5.7  5.419	   Jason Campbell WAS  28 15		  299 465 64.3 3337 18 3.9  15  3.2  59 7.2  6.5 11.2 222.5  85.0 41 269  6.1   5.4  8.120		   Alex Smith SFO  25 10		  208 344 60.5 2128 17 4.9  12  3.5  50 6.2  5.6 10.2 212.8  80.2 19 116  5.5   5.0  5.2

I suppose you could argue that Rodgers' rushing boosts him into the top 4, but putting him in the top three among QBs is a tough sell.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Your WAY off base. I put avg /poor because first half of the season they were poor ...correct>????????? now they are avg......... correct??????its pretty straight foward.... correct?????

Oh now ur getting all sensitive.You changed a AR talk to his oline.....when in fact him holding onto the football made his oline look much worse......correct???If your going to point out a negative about a player's surroundings(aka an excuse) then be ready to throw out a positive(skill position players)Pretty straight forward.....correct???

HAHAHe did not hold onto the ball too long they just didnt block for him. They started blocking better and BOOM sack slowed.You pointing to his his skill position players only futhers him as being worthy. Brees, Favre, Manning all have a better cast at the skiil position. So your making my point for me.......Thanks, btw

 

[Sabertooth]

Here are your top 20 in ANY/A:

Rk					   Tm Age  G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A  Y/C   Y/G  Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A  Sk%1		 Philip Rivers SDG  28 15		  308 471 65.4 4155 27 5.7   9  1.9  81 8.8  9.1 13.5 277.0 104.5 25 167  8.0   8.3  5.02			Drew Brees NOR  30 15		  363 514 70.6 4388 34 6.6  11  2.1  75 8.5  8.9 12.1 292.5 109.6 20 135  8.0   8.3  3.73		Peyton Manning IND  33 15		  379 553 68.5 4405 33 6.0  15  2.7  80 8.0  7.9 11.6 293.7 101.0 10  74  7.7   7.7  1.84			 Tony Romo DAL  29 15		  323 516 62.6 4172 24 4.7   8  1.6  80 8.1  8.3 12.9 278.1  97.0 32 180  7.3   7.5  5.85			 Tom Brady NWE  32 15		  354 539 65.7 4212 28 5.2  12  2.2  81 7.8  7.9 11.9 280.8  97.4 15  82  7.5   7.5  2.76		   Matt Schaub HOU  28 15		  372 544 68.4 4467 27 5.0  14  2.6  72 8.2  8.0 12.0 297.8  99.1 24 141  7.6   7.5  4.27		 Aaron Rodgers GNB  26 15		  329 515 63.9 4199 29 5.6   7  1.4  83 8.2  8.7 12.8 279.9 102.4 50 306  6.9   7.4  8.88		   Brett Favre MIN  40 14		  312 460 67.8 3565 27 5.9   7  1.5  63 7.8  8.2 11.4 254.6 104.1 31 226  6.8   7.3  6.39		Donovan McNabb PHI  33 13		  247 407 60.7 3330 22 5.4  10  2.5  60 8.2  8.2 13.5 256.2  94.5 31 232  7.1   7.1  7.110		  Eli Manning NYG  28 15		  300 486 61.7 3880 27 5.6  13  2.7  74 8.0  7.9 12.9 258.7  94.2 27 195  7.2   7.1  5.311   Ben Roethlisberger PIT  27 14		  319 479 66.6 4108 23 4.8  12  2.5  60 8.6  8.4 12.9 293.4  98.9 47 329  7.2   7.0  8.912		  Vince Young TEN  26 11		  135 231 58.4 1708 10 4.3   6  2.6  66 7.4  7.1 12.7 155.3  85.2  9  36  7.0   6.7  3.813		  Kurt Warner ARI  38 14		  335 507 66.1 3722 26 5.1  14  2.8  45 7.3  7.1 11.1 265.9  93.3 24 172  6.7   6.5  4.514		   Kyle Orton DEN  27 15		  304 485 62.7 3371 20 4.1   9  1.9  87 7.0  6.9 11.1 224.7  89.3 27 156  6.3   6.3  5.315		   Joe Flacco BAL  24 15		  304 480 63.3 3511 21 4.4  12  2.5  72 7.3  7.1 11.5 234.1  89.5 32 206  6.5   6.2  6.316		David Garrard JAX  31 15		  292 477 61.2 3395 13 2.7   9  1.9  63 7.1  6.8 11.6 226.3  84.0 39 231  6.1   5.9  7.617			Matt Ryan ATL  24 13		  240 416 57.7 2693 20 4.8  12  2.9  90 6.5  6.1 11.2 207.2  81.1 18  83  6.0   5.7  4.118		Carson Palmer CIN  30 15		  281 455 61.8 3094 21 4.6  12  2.6  73 6.8  6.5 11.0 206.3  86.3 26 213  6.0   5.7  5.419	   Jason Campbell WAS  28 15		  299 465 64.3 3337 18 3.9  15  3.2  59 7.2  6.5 11.2 222.5  85.0 41 269  6.1   5.4  8.120		   Alex Smith SFO  25 10		  208 344 60.5 2128 17 4.9  12  3.5  50 6.2  5.6 10.2 212.8  80.2 19 116  5.5   5.0  5.2

I suppose you could argue that Rodgers' rushing boosts him into the top 4, but putting him in the top three among QBs is a tough sell.

What the heck is ANY/A?

 

[sho nuff]

I guess he should be talked about...but not yet at the level that Manning and Brees were playing at and winning...and not with how Rivers is playing right now.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here are your top 20 in ANY/A:I suppose you could argue that Rodgers' rushing boosts him into the top 4, but putting him in the top three among QBs is a tough sell.

Flawed.I did not see Cutler on that list. It must be bogus.

 

[scott72]

Here are your top 20 in ANY/A:

Rk					   Tm Age  G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A  Y/C   Y/G  Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A  Sk%1		 Philip Rivers SDG  28 15		  308 471 65.4 4155 27 5.7   9  1.9  81 8.8  9.1 13.5 277.0 104.5 25 167  8.0   8.3  5.02			Drew Brees NOR  30 15		  363 514 70.6 4388 34 6.6  11  2.1  75 8.5  8.9 12.1 292.5 109.6 20 135  8.0   8.3  3.73		Peyton Manning IND  33 15		  379 553 68.5 4405 33 6.0  15  2.7  80 8.0  7.9 11.6 293.7 101.0 10  74  7.7   7.7  1.84			 Tony Romo DAL  29 15		  323 516 62.6 4172 24 4.7   8  1.6  80 8.1  8.3 12.9 278.1  97.0 32 180  7.3   7.5  5.85			 Tom Brady NWE  32 15		  354 539 65.7 4212 28 5.2  12  2.2  81 7.8  7.9 11.9 280.8  97.4 15  82  7.5   7.5  2.76		   Matt Schaub HOU  28 15		  372 544 68.4 4467 27 5.0  14  2.6  72 8.2  8.0 12.0 297.8  99.1 24 141  7.6   7.5  4.27		 Aaron Rodgers GNB  26 15		  329 515 63.9 4199 29 5.6   7  1.4  83 8.2  8.7 12.8 279.9 102.4 50 306  6.9   7.4  8.88		   Brett Favre MIN  40 14		  312 460 67.8 3565 27 5.9   7  1.5  63 7.8  8.2 11.4 254.6 104.1 31 226  6.8   7.3  6.39		Donovan McNabb PHI  33 13		  247 407 60.7 3330 22 5.4  10  2.5  60 8.2  8.2 13.5 256.2  94.5 31 232  7.1   7.1  7.110		  Eli Manning NYG  28 15		  300 486 61.7 3880 27 5.6  13  2.7  74 8.0  7.9 12.9 258.7  94.2 27 195  7.2   7.1  5.311   Ben Roethlisberger PIT  27 14		  319 479 66.6 4108 23 4.8  12  2.5  60 8.6  8.4 12.9 293.4  98.9 47 329  7.2   7.0  8.912		  Vince Young TEN  26 11		  135 231 58.4 1708 10 4.3   6  2.6  66 7.4  7.1 12.7 155.3  85.2  9  36  7.0   6.7  3.813		  Kurt Warner ARI  38 14		  335 507 66.1 3722 26 5.1  14  2.8  45 7.3  7.1 11.1 265.9  93.3 24 172  6.7   6.5  4.514		   Kyle Orton DEN  27 15		  304 485 62.7 3371 20 4.1   9  1.9  87 7.0  6.9 11.1 224.7  89.3 27 156  6.3   6.3  5.315		   Joe Flacco BAL  24 15		  304 480 63.3 3511 21 4.4  12  2.5  72 7.3  7.1 11.5 234.1  89.5 32 206  6.5   6.2  6.316		David Garrard JAX  31 15		  292 477 61.2 3395 13 2.7   9  1.9  63 7.1  6.8 11.6 226.3  84.0 39 231  6.1   5.9  7.617			Matt Ryan ATL  24 13		  240 416 57.7 2693 20 4.8  12  2.9  90 6.5  6.1 11.2 207.2  81.1 18  83  6.0   5.7  4.118		Carson Palmer CIN  30 15		  281 455 61.8 3094 21 4.6  12  2.6  73 6.8  6.5 11.0 206.3  86.3 26 213  6.0   5.7  5.419	   Jason Campbell WAS  28 15		  299 465 64.3 3337 18 3.9  15  3.2  59 7.2  6.5 11.2 222.5  85.0 41 269  6.1   5.4  8.120		   Alex Smith SFO  25 10		  208 344 60.5 2128 17 4.9  12  3.5  50 6.2  5.6 10.2 212.8  80.2 19 116  5.5   5.0  5.2

I suppose you could argue that Rodgers' rushing boosts him into the top 4, but putting him in the top three among QBs is a tough sell.

Romo 4th and Arod 7th? Come on. This chart needs some explanation.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Romo 4th and Arod 7th? Come on. This chart needs some explanation.

Or you could simply ignore the chart and let common sense tell you that Rodgers is at least behind Rivers, Brees and Manning. (which BTW is the order in which I would vote for the QBs) Rodgers also belongs behind Chris Johnson.

 

[Sabertooth]

Romo 4th and Arod 7th? Come on. This chart needs some explanation.

Or you could simply ignore the chart and let common sense tell you that Rodgers is at least behind Rivers, Brees and Manning. (which BTW is the order in which I would vote for the QBs) Rodgers also belongs behind Chris Johnson.

But ahead of Favre, who is in the discussion....at least he was until he usurped his coach's power. I'm not saying he is the best, just that he should be in the discussion. Read the thread title.

 

[sho nuff]

Romo 4th and Arod 7th? Come on. This chart needs some explanation.

Or you could simply ignore the chart and let common sense tell you that Rodgers is at least behind Rivers, Brees and Manning. (which BTW is the order in which I would vote for the QBs) Rodgers also belongs behind Chris Johnson.

I don't think he was ignoring the chart...I think he was asking for an explanation of the chart that has those two listed the way they are.I would agree he is behind those 3 for sure.Johnson...maybe...

 

[gradin123]

Romo 4th and Arod 7th? Come on. This chart needs some explanation.

Or you could simply ignore the chart and let common sense tell you that Rodgers is at least behind Rivers, Brees and Manning. (which BTW is the order in which I would vote for the QBs) Rodgers also belongs behind Chris Johnson.

Would the Colts win one game without Manning? OK maybe one. But seriously I don't think any team is more dependant on one player than Indy is and they have the best record so it is hard to argue with Manning.I have never seen a team collapse quicker than the Colts did yesterday after pulling Manning.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I agree as well. Without him GB is not close to making the playoffs. He also did this with an avg. to poor oline.

The average/poor offensive line has played much better as of late.....also he held onto the ball waaaay to long early in the season....so don't use that as a crutch.If you want to use that...his skill players of Grant/jackson/Jennings/Driver/Jones/Nelson/Lee/Finley....offset the oline's shortcomings greatly.

Your WAY off base. I put avg /poor because first half of the season they were poor ...correct>????????? now they are avg......... correct??????its pretty straight foward.... correct?????

Oh now ur getting all sensitive.You changed a AR talk to his oline.....when in fact him holding onto the football made his oline look much worse......correct???If your going to point out a negative about a player's surroundings(aka an excuse) then be ready to throw out a positive(skill position players)Pretty straight forward.....correct???

HAHAHe did not hold onto the ball too long they just didnt block for him. They started blocking better and BOOM sack slowed.You pointing to his his skill position players only futhers him as being worthy. Brees, Favre, Manning all have a better cast at the skiil position. So your making my point for me.......Thanks, btw

Do you seriously know what your talking about?First clip 10 seconds in....held it too long....LT cut blocked Allen....meaning it was a 1 or quick 3 step drop. Also you can see the slants and quick routes by the skill players.3:33 again...he held the ball waaay to long...especially when thinking about the situation of being backed up on the goalline.Again just one youtube video of a highlight from one game. Neither of those sacks are the Olines fault.-Child Please

 

[mdlane]

Do you seriously know what your talking about?

First clip 10 seconds in....held it too long....LT cut blocked Allen....meaning it was a 1 or quick 3 step drop. Also you can see the slants and quick routes by the skill players.

3:33 again...he held the ball waaay to long...especially when thinking about the situation of being backed up on the goalline.

Again just one youtube video of a highlight from one game. Neither of those sacks are the Olines fault.

-Child Please

On the other hand ..http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-q...-ball-too-long/

10 sacks into the 2009 season, AR did not crack the top 10 for QBs that hold the ball the longest, taking a sack. It would be interesting to see these stats for every QB during the entire 2009 season. The problem with analyses like yours is that it falls back on the "eyeball" test. It "looks" and "feels" to you as though he's holding on the ball for too long. But you're not sitting there timing the play from snap to sack. And you're not comparing that time to snap-to-sack times for other QBs. And you're not timing avg times from snap-to-throw. Basically, you're relying on your gut. It seems to me that most of the people claiming QBs are mostly responsible for sacks are using incomplete data analysis (e.g., let's only look at QBs that switched teams, and completely ignore other valuable data like QBs on the same team playing with different OLs) and their "gut feel." Which I don't really find all that compelling. There's definitely an interesting study to be made here, but I haven't seen anything remotely complete.

 

[The Moz]

IMO Rodgers is every bit as valuable as Manning or Brees. Take either from their teams and neither wins 3 games.

 

[Chaka]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

 

[scott72]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

I don't understand your point. Quarterbacks are important on every team. Look at the teams that have subpar QB's and look where they are in the standings. The Trent Dilfer led teams with stacked defenses are far and few between anymore. That said, Arod is going to have a hard time competing with a Peyton Manning who is a media darling and in 1 in every 10 commercials on TV it seems. It's a shame these awards are media driven, but it is what it is. If Arod keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win a couple of these.

 

[TobiasFunke]

IMO Rodgers is every bit as valuable as Manning or Brees. Take either from their teams and neither wins 3 games.

The difference is that WITH those guys, one of those teams has one loss, one has two losses, and one has five losses.In the conversation? Maybe. But Manning and Brees have a similar passer rating to Rodgers with more TD passes, yards, and higher completion percentages (and yes, more INTs) And Manning and Brees' teams have two fewer losses COMBINED than Rodgers' team.He's a great QB, having a great season, but to suggest that he deserves to be considered with Manning and Brees but is being locked out due to "media bias" is preposterous.

 

[Chaka]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

I don't understand your point. Quarterbacks are important on every team. Look at the teams that have subpar QB's and look where they are in the standings. The Trent Dilfer led teams with stacked defenses are far and few between anymore. That said, Arod is going to have a hard time competing with a Peyton Manning who is a media darling and in 1 in every 10 commercials on TV it seems. It's a shame these awards are media driven, but it is what it is. If Arod keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win a couple of these.

My point is that the perception from early this season that Rodgers was holding onto the ball too long leading to his high sack total and team losses is too much for him to overcome in the MVP race despite his impressive numbers.

 

[The Westin]

Too much is being made of the Colts collapse with Manning out. You have to remember, not only was Manning gone, but his replacement was a guy taking his first snaps as a professional QB. Failure is expected in that circumstance. That's not to say Manning isn't the MVP, to me it's a clear cut case of one player being the best in the league. But the Colts loss on Sunday has nothing to do with it.

Rodgers should not be in the discussion. He's clearly playing great, but right now it's debatable if he's even the MVP of his own team. The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

 

[Kuz]

He's having a great year & definitely should be in the discussion. I would guess he's one of the top 5 for sure. I think the problem will be Manning. He's just been great & they were 14-0 until he got pulled last week against the Jets.. That loss may of actually helped Manning in his bid for the MVP.. Rodgers has been awesome though..

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Will Rodgers even get voted into the Pro Bowl? Of course Pro Bowls don't matter, but if you figure Brees and Favre are locks, and the familiar names of Romo and McNabb are right there, I dunno.

Rodgers isn't playing at an MVP level but if he keeps improving, he should be up there soon.

 

[rufan]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

 

[The Westin]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

I stand corrected.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think he's having a very good year but don't think he's the league MVP not do I even think he's the MVP on his team.

My vote is for Charles Woodson. Hard to be MVP of the league when your 2nd on your own team IMO.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

Passing TD's- ManningPassing Yards-Manning

Completion %-Manning

QB Rating-Rodgers

Total Td's and Total yards is nitpicking IMO

 

[scott72]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

I don't understand your point. Quarterbacks are important on every team. Look at the teams that have subpar QB's and look where they are in the standings. The Trent Dilfer led teams with stacked defenses are far and few between anymore. That said, Arod is going to have a hard time competing with a Peyton Manning who is a media darling and in 1 in every 10 commercials on TV it seems. It's a shame these awards are media driven, but it is what it is. If Arod keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win a couple of these.

My point is that the perception from early this season that Rodgers was holding onto the ball too long leading to his high sack total and team losses is too much for him to overcome in the MVP race despite his impressive numbers.

You can't attribute losses to him holding onto the ball too long. That's like saying because he got sacked they lost. There were a couple games in which Arod got them the lead late in the game only to have the defense give the lead and the game. There were several key missed field goals as well in some losses.

 

[scott72]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

That's what I'm trying to say. People get too hung up on records. I could really care less that the Colts are 14-1. So if the Packer's field goal kicker misses a game winning kick and they lose that's on Rodgers? If Arod gives them the lead late in a game and the D gives it up that's on Rodgers too? I'm not saying he should win it over Peyton, but to say it's Peyton and it's not even close isn't accurate imo.

 

[The Westin]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

Passing TD's- ManningPassing Yards-Manning

Completion %-Manning

QB Rating-Rodgers

Total Td's and Total yards is nitpicking IMO

Rushing is a big part of Rodgers' game. I've seen so many drives this year that have been extended by Rodgers using his legs. Yards are yards, and Rodgers is currently better than any QB in the league at getting them by running....why shouldn't they count? His rushing td's shouldn't count either? Why not? They count on the scoreboard

 

[scott72]

I think he's having a very good year but don't think he's the league MVP not do I even think he's the MVP on his team.My vote is for Charles Woodson. Hard to be MVP of the league when your 2nd on your own team IMO.

So you're saying having Woodson all year was/is more important than having Rodgers all year? I can't agree. Woodson is having a fantastic year, but I wouldn't vote him MVP over Arod.

 

[rufan]

Total Td's and Total yards is nitpicking IMO

I'm sorry...I was under the impression that rushing TDs still counted for 6 points.

 

[scott72]

The way the Packers are improving and the way he's progressing, I could see him putting up an MVP year next year....but as of right now, it's Manning and it's not close.

I don't understand why people are saying that Manning has played so much better than Rodgers. Lets look at the numbers:Total TDs:

Manning - 33 (33 Passing, 0 Rushing)

Rodgers - 33 (29 Passing, 4 rushing)

Advantage: Even

Turnovers:

Manning - 15

Rodgers - 7

Advantage: Rodgers

Total Yards:

Manning - 4392 (4505 Passing, -13 Rushing)

Rodgers - 4513 (4199 Passing, 314 Rushiing)

Advantage: Rodgers

Completion Pct:

Manning - 68.5%

Rodgers - 63.9%

Advantage: Manning

QB Rating:

Manning - 101

Rodgers - 102.4

Advantage: Rodgers

I realize that there is more to an MVP race than simple numbers, but there is no reason why Rodgers should not be included in the conversation.

Passing TD's- ManningPassing Yards-Manning

Completion %-Manning

QB Rating-Rodgers

Total Td's and Total yards is nitpicking IMO

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think he's having a very good year but don't think he's the league MVP not do I even think he's the MVP on his team.My vote is for Charles Woodson. Hard to be MVP of the league when your 2nd on your own team IMO.

Anyone disagree that Woodson is the MVP of the Packers and not Rodgers?Because as far as I'm concerned, if you're 2nd on your own team. its:/thread

 

[Chaka]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

I don't understand your point. Quarterbacks are important on every team. Look at the teams that have subpar QB's and look where they are in the standings. The Trent Dilfer led teams with stacked defenses are far and few between anymore. That said, Arod is going to have a hard time competing with a Peyton Manning who is a media darling and in 1 in every 10 commercials on TV it seems. It's a shame these awards are media driven, but it is what it is. If Arod keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win a couple of these.

My point is that the perception from early this season that Rodgers was holding onto the ball too long leading to his high sack total and team losses is too much for him to overcome in the MVP race despite his impressive numbers.

You can't attribute losses to him holding onto the ball too long. That's like saying because he got sacked they lost. There were a couple games in which Arod got them the lead late in the game only to have the defense give the lead and the game. There were several key missed field goals as well in some losses.

Taking sacks can and does lead to losses, and missed field goals. Rodgers has taken 50 sacks; twice as many as Rivers and five times as many as Manning. You bet that has a direct impact on the outcome of games.I think you are having trouble distinguishing perception from reality (on top of your clear bias in favor of Rodgers, nice avatar). It is not that Rodgers does not belong in the MVP discussion but there is too much perception about Rogers performance early in the year (as well as the perception that Manning is god like) for him to overcome in this race IMO.

 

[rufan]

Anyone disagree that Woodson is the MVP of the Packers and not Rodgers?Because as far as I'm concerned, if you're 2nd on your own team. its:/thread

I disagree...

 

[VTjkru]

Passing TD's- ManningPassing Yards-ManningCompletion %-ManningQB Rating-RodgersTotal Td's and Total yards is nitpicking IMO

Sounds like the opposite of nitpicking...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Anyone disagree that Woodson is the MVP of the Packers and not Rodgers?Because as far as I'm concerned, if you're 2nd on your own team. its:/thread

I disagree...

Well, I thought Aaron Rodgers played well last season too. I think the big difference between last season and this season for Green Bay is the play of their defense and nobody has played better for that unit than Charles Woodson.Woodson is my defensive MVP of the NFL and definately the MVP of the Packers.

 

[scott72]

He's having a great year, but he's probably a day late an a dollar short.

I don't understand your point. Quarterbacks are important on every team. Look at the teams that have subpar QB's and look where they are in the standings. The Trent Dilfer led teams with stacked defenses are far and few between anymore. That said, Arod is going to have a hard time competing with a Peyton Manning who is a media darling and in 1 in every 10 commercials on TV it seems. It's a shame these awards are media driven, but it is what it is. If Arod keeps doing what he's doing, he'll win a couple of these.

My point is that the perception from early this season that Rodgers was holding onto the ball too long leading to his high sack total and team losses is too much for him to overcome in the MVP race despite his impressive numbers.

You can't attribute losses to him holding onto the ball too long. That's like saying because he got sacked they lost. There were a couple games in which Arod got them the lead late in the game only to have the defense give the lead and the game. There were several key missed field goals as well in some losses.

Taking sacks can and does lead to losses, and missed field goals. Rodgers has taken 50 sacks; twice as many as Rivers and five times as many as Manning. You bet that has a direct impact on the outcome of games.I think you are having trouble distinguishing perception from reality (on top of your clear bias in favor of Rodgers, nice avatar). It is not that Rodgers does not belong in the MVP discussion but there is too much perception about Rogers performance early in the year (as well as the perception that Manning is god like) for him to overcome in this race IMO.

I don't believe I'm being biased at all. I just don't agree that you can put poor offensive line play on Aaron Rodgers. I've never heard anyone get DQ'd from an MVP discussion because he held the ball too long. Did he do this? Yes a few times, but to DQ him from the discussion because of it is silly. If anything the numbers he racked up despite poor OL play is even more impressive. What kind of numbers would he have put up with Manning's OL?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Scott,

You know how many times in my life I've heard this question? "How many yards would Barry Sanders have rushed for if he would have played for the Dallas Cowboys and Emmitt Smith for the Lions?"

I don't know how many? How much money would I have if I was born Donald Trump's son? How much better looking would I be if I was a model's son?

Asking questions like that are pointless.

Bottom line is Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. He made some positive gains this year off a decent year last year. He does hold on to the ball too long. If you know your line isn't great, then why do you hold on to the ball knowing that? Is he a little slow?

Again, Charles Woodson is the team MVP which means Aaron Rodgers couldn't possibly be the entire league MVP. Please include Charles Woodson in the discussion for league MVP if you're going to put Aaron Rodgers in there.

 

[Chaka]

I don't believe I'm being biased at all. I just don't agree that you can put poor offensive line play on Aaron Rodgers. I've never heard anyone get DQ'd from an MVP discussion because he held the ball too long. Did he do this? Yes a few times, but to DQ him from the discussion because of it is silly. If anything the numbers he racked up despite poor OL play is even more impressive. What kind of numbers would he have put up with Manning's OL?

Perception does not always equal reality. Having an Aaron Rodgers avatar while defending Aaron Rodgers as a league MVP in an Aaron Rodgers thread kind of creates the perception that you might have a bias in favor of Aaron Rodgers. That doesn't make it true...but it probably is.You can't simply ignore the sack numbers, 50 sacks is ridiculous and Rodgers bears the responsibility for many of them.The reason Manning doesn't get sacked often is not so much his O-line as his ability to read, react and release faster than any QB in the league. Over his entire career Manning has always among the least sacked QBs in the league and there has been plenty of turnover on his O-line.Rodgers clearly holds onto the ball much longer than Manning. The reason his sack numbers are down over the past few weeks probably relates more to him getting rid of the ball quicker than improved O-line play.Rodgers raw numbers (except the sack total) place him in the discussion for league MVP but they aren't enough overcome the perception that he does not deserve the honor. There are too many other solid candidates.

 

[The Westin]

Scott, You know how many times in my life I've heard this question? "How many yards would Barry Sanders have rushed for if he would have played for the Dallas Cowboys and Emmitt Smith for the Lions?"I don't know how many? How much money would I have if I was born Donald Trump's son? How much better looking would I be if I was a model's son?Asking questions like that are pointless.Bottom line is Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. He made some positive gains this year off a decent year last year. He does hold on to the ball too long. If you know your line isn't great, then why do you hold on to the ball knowing that? Is he a little slow?Again, Charles Woodson is the team MVP which means Aaron Rodgers couldn't possibly be the entire league MVP. Please include Charles Woodson in the discussion for league MVP if you're going to put Aaron Rodgers in there.

Is Rodgers slow? So I guess you have something against Rodgers then?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Scott, You know how many times in my life I've heard this question? "How many yards would Barry Sanders have rushed for if he would have played for the Dallas Cowboys and Emmitt Smith for the Lions?"I don't know how many? How much money would I have if I was born Donald Trump's son? How much better looking would I be if I was a model's son?Asking questions like that are pointless.Bottom line is Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. He made some positive gains this year off a decent year last year. He does hold on to the ball too long. If you know your line isn't great, then why do you hold on to the ball knowing that? Is he a little slow?Again, Charles Woodson is the team MVP which means Aaron Rodgers couldn't possibly be the entire league MVP. Please include Charles Woodson in the discussion for league MVP if you're going to put Aaron Rodgers in there.

Is Rodgers slow? So I guess you have something against Rodgers then?

He's slow to release the ball, I have that against him. When he's got all day to throw, he's outstanding. I didn't see a flaw like that in Woodson's game this year, did you? QB's aren't the only people that get discussion in NFL MVP, so look deeper than your list of top 5 QB's you want to throw into the discussion so you can compare apples to apples with your stats and records.

 

[Tanner9919]

He's having a spectacular season. I don't think the Packers win more than 4 or 5 games with Flynn in there. He's been phenomenal in the red zone and just hasn't killed his team with the pick like the last guy did. He's leading all QBs in rushing yards with 302 rushing yards making him a dual-threat. He's got great intangibles and is a real team player. He's shown great leadership and professionalism in the wake of the Favre fiasco. He's the only player in NFL history to throw for more than 4000 yards in his first two seasons as a starter. So why isn't he talked about with Manning and Johnson?

he's not the glamour boy that Manning is, and he's not gunning for 2000 yards like CJ is..now that the undefeated season is over, I'd like to think Manning has dropped a notch - he probably was the #1 choice for MVP, but not so much - it's not that easy if you ask me...you could see a split - CJ and Rodgers..or Rodgers and Manning.but I don't think Manning is a run-away favorite anymore..

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He's having a spectacular season. I don't think the Packers win more than 4 or 5 games with Flynn in there. He's been phenomenal in the red zone and just hasn't killed his team with the pick like the last guy did. He's leading all QBs in rushing yards with 302 rushing yards making him a dual-threat. He's got great intangibles and is a real team player. He's shown great leadership and professionalism in the wake of the Favre fiasco. He's the only player in NFL history to throw for more than 4000 yards in his first two seasons as a starter. So why isn't he talked about with Manning and Johnson?

he's not the glamour boy that Manning is, and he's not gunning for 2000 yards like CJ is..now that the undefeated season is over, I'd like to think Manning has dropped a notch - he probably was the #1 choice for MVP, but not so much - it's not that easy if you ask me...you could see a split - CJ and Rodgers..or Rodgers and Manning.but I don't think Manning is a run-away favorite anymore..

I think you're right but I also think's it's sad that that's the mentality of people. Peyton Manning resting doesn't take away what he accomplished and how he played when he was in there.Did you know Aaron Rodgers rested part of his game this past weeked? Do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to play a full game against Arizona this weekend?I'd put Peyton Manning at the top with about 2 or 3 other guys like Phillip Rivers and Charles Woodson underneath him.