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Depending on where they land is there anyway that Lynch could be taken first in rookie drafts? I know AD is way above Lynch and is without a doubt the #1 rb coming out of this draft, but I'm just curious to know if you guys think that if Lynch lands in a golden situation (I dont know an example, but just sayin), and AD lands on a team where he might not play or might struggle would it be worth it to take Lynch over AD?

 
Depending on where they land is there anyway that Lynch could be taken first in rookie drafts? I know AD is way above Lynch and is without a doubt the #1 rb coming out of this draft, but I'm just curious to know if you guys think that if Lynch lands in a golden situation (I dont know an example, but just sayin), and AD lands on a team where he might not play or might struggle would it be worth it to take Lynch over AD?
AP to Raiders = :bag:
 
Quite possible AD goes to Clev (bad situation)

Quite possible Lynch goes to BUFF/GB (decent to good situation)

In one of my dynasty leagues (startup) I have the 1.01, and will take AD no matter what. Talent over situation for me, but for someone who might be looking at winning THIS YEAR, Lynch might be a better short term option.

 
Situation doesn't matter.

LT went to one of the worst teams in the league. One of the worst franchises in the league. Fitz/Boldin/Leinart went to the worst team in the league. No one really cares, they're studs (to some).

Talent. Talent. Talent.

If you're a stud, you're a stud. Franchises go up and down every year. Bucs were a top 5 D for 10 years, now it's over. Things change. Pick the studs, and you'll be fine.

 
I'll play devil's advocate.

I think there's a very realistic chance that Lynch will ultimately have the more productive pro career. Contrary to what some people have said, situation is of the utmost importance for a RB. I genuinely believe that guys like Willis McGahee, Cadillac Williams, and Kevin Jones could put up Larry Johnson type numbers if they played on the same team with the same coaching philosophy.

Someone mentioned Tomlinson as evidence that situation doesn't matter. I disagree. LT has been productive since his rookie year, but he's only begun to shoot out of the stratosphere now that the Chargers have surrounded him with a top notch supporting cast.

Peterson is a very promising back, but he's not necessarily the type of guy who can be a stud on any team. One of the things I noticed about his college numbers is that he was bottled up in every single bowl game that he ever played in. USC destroyed him back in 2005. You could argue that this was a result of superior overall talent on the part of the Trojans. That may be true, but Peterson also got more or less shut down by Boise State in his most recent bowl game. He did still manage to be very productive last year despite being the unquestioned focus of opposing defenses, but I still don't believe that he's immune to struggling behind a bad line.

I think it's been at least two full years since Lynch has had a single game of under 4.0 YPC. Some of that is probably due to Cal's effective system, but it's still an impressive stat.

Also, it's almost undeniable that Lynch has a better build and running style for the pro game. Peterson is a more dynamic talent and a significantly better overall athlete, but he's built like a WR and he has the nasty habit of taking monster hits.

I don't dispute that Peterson is the more exciting prospect in a vacuum, but ignoring situational factors when comparing these two would be nothing short of foolish. Great RBs can, do, and will struggle with marginal supporting casts. Witness the early careers of Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, and Willis McGahee. All of them carried similar hype to Peterson entering the league. All of them have struggled at one point or another.

Also consider a guy like Jamal Lewis. In his prime, he was a dynamic talent and a devastating back. He had a few strong seasons, but was never really a truly fantastic FF option. Was that a talent issue? Nope. He was on the Ravens and they flat out didn't score enough to put him in the Faulk/Tomlinson/Holmes/Alexander range.

If Lynch goes to a team like the New York Giants and Peterson goes to a team like the Browns, you have to consider taking Lynch over Peterson. I'm a big proponent of drafting talent over situation, but is the talent gap in this particular case so wide that it eliminates the possibility of taking Lynch over Peterson? I don't necessarily think so. If you look at where these guys seem to be rated by the pro scouts, there's only a gap of 5-20 spots (out of all the players in the draft).

 
I'll play devil's advocate. I think there's a very realistic chance that Lynch will ultimately have the more productive pro career. Contrary to what some people have said, situation is of the utmost importance for a RB. I genuinely believe that guys like Willis McGahee, Cadillac Williams, and Kevin Jones could put up Larry Johnson type numbers if they played on the same team with the same coaching philosophy. Someone mentioned Tomlinson as evidence that situation doesn't matter. I disagree. LT has been productive since his rookie year, but he's only begun to shoot out of the stratosphere now that the Chargers have surrounded him with a top notch supporting cast. Peterson is a very promising back, but he's not necessarily the type of guy who can be a stud on any team. One of the things I noticed about his college numbers is that he was bottled up in every single bowl game that he ever played in. USC destroyed him back in 2005. You could argue that this was a result of superior overall talent on the part of the Trojans. That may be true, but Peterson also got more or less shut down by Boise State in his most recent bowl game. He did still manage to be very productive last year despite being the unquestioned focus of opposing defenses, but I still don't believe that he's immune to struggling behind a bad line. I think it's been at least two full years since Lynch has had a single game of under 4.0 YPC. Some of that is probably due to Cal's effective system, but it's still an impressive stat. Also, it's almost undeniable that Lynch has a better build and running style for the pro game. Peterson is a more dynamic talent and a significantly better overall athlete, but he's built like a WR and he has the nasty habit of taking monster hits. I don't dispute that Peterson is the more exciting prospect in a vacuum, but ignoring situational factors when comparing these two would be nothing short of foolish. Great RBs can, do, and will struggle with marginal supporting casts. Witness the early careers of Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, and Willis McGahee. All of them carried similar hype to Peterson entering the league. All of them have struggled at one point or another. Also consider a guy like Jamal Lewis. In his prime, he was a dynamic talent and a devastating back. He had a few strong seasons, but was never really a truly fantastic FF option. Was that a talent issue? Nope. He was on the Ravens and they flat out didn't score enough to put him in the Faulk/Tomlinson/Holmes/Alexander range. If Lynch goes to a team like the New York Giants and Peterson goes to a team like the Browns, you have to consider taking Lynch over Peterson. I'm a big proponent of drafting talent over situation, but is the talent gap in this particular case so wide that it eliminates the possibility of taking Lynch over Peterson? I don't necessarily think so. If you look at where these guys seem to be rated by the pro scouts, there's only a gap of 5-20 spots (out of all the players in the draft).
:boxing: Give me a pretty talented RB with a good offense and dominant OL any day over the "once in a decade RB" with a mediocre OL and no passing game
 
Monty Burns said:
Quite possible AD goes to Clev (bad situation)Quite possible Lynch goes to BUFF/GB (decent to good situation)In one of my dynasty leagues (startup) I have the 1.01, and will take AD no matter what. Talent over situation for me, but for someone who might be looking at winning THIS YEAR, Lynch might be a better short term option.
Peterson going to Cleveland will have a lot of people pausing, especially if Lynch ends up somewhere where he'll likely be a start from day 1 like GB/Buf. Even if it's not Cleveland, what happens if Peterson is drafted by Minn? He could very well be stuck in a RBBC for his 1st few seasons.I'm not saying it's right or that I would pass on Peterson in a Brown's uniform, but it would happen in more than a few dynasty drafts if those scenario's played out.
 
I could see a gutsy, or impatient, owner taking Lynch if he went to say, GB or BUF, and AD went somewhere with a crowded backfield situation.

More likely, if that situation played out, the guy at 1.1 would try and swap with 1.2, hoping he could get something, and get the back that he really wanted anyway.

 

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