Start Young at outside LB.Adams has been pining for Fischer to start Young all year.I think Fischer wants to get fired(Manning jersey incident)If Im Fischer, I start Young the first play, then sub in Collins. That'll buy his ticket out of TN
I know Tennessee fans would love to win right now.I think Tenn fans should be careful what you wish for. I know just winning is sometimes boring but there are other fans that would love to be in that situation.
I'm sure but I don't think there is a coach in the history of the NFL that would make this team into a winning team. They have an absolutely terrible defense right now and no coach can change that.I know Tennessee fans would love to win right now.I think Tenn fans should be careful what you wish for. I know just winning is sometimes boring but there are other fans that would love to be in that situation.
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
If i did i would not do it the way people here are suggesting he I am not a Fischer fan by any stretch, but I don't think he's screwing around with who he does and doesn't start to try and get fired. I have more respect for him as a person than many here do I guess.if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
or publiclly state that ownership is ruining the TitansSee how long it takes for them to fire you then.But no, he'll snark around and play games with the team to try and covertly get fired, risking his reputation at the same time.I am always telling people i think Fischer is a doosh, and even I think that's a stretchwhy not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.
“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him
Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.
“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
in a nanno-second.I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
And yet in 10 less pass attempts Young threw for 7 more yards than Collins -7 for the rest of the game.Banger said:a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job.
Sarcasm?Banger said:Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.Banger said:a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...BigJim® said:http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him
Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.
“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
LOL, true he didn't have negative yards so he's got that going for him. not sarcasm at all he just said nothing. When asked if they were ready, he didn't say they were ready, he didn't say there would be changes, he said that the backups took advantage of their opportunities. To me that's Belicheck talk...talking without saying anything.And yet in 10 less pass attempts Young threw for 7 more yards than Collins -7 for the rest of the game.Banger said:a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job.Sarcasm?Banger said:Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
I know I just found the quote funny that "he took advantage of his opportunities"...the stat line couldn't have been a lot worse...well except for Kerry's.Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.Banger said:a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...BigJim® said:http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him
Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.
“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
this would be a good thread"Would you trade your team's head coach for Fischer"I am on the record as not liking him and i'd do it without a second thought.Gr00vus said:I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.Banger said:why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.domvin said:if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?B-Deep said:I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.I know I just found the quote funny that "he took advantage of his opportunities"...the stat line couldn't have been a lot worse...well except for Kerry's.Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.Banger said:a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...BigJim® said:http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him
Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.
“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
Yeah, that was my reading also. As a whole, the article indicates (1) Collins has no indication he's being replaced, which means as of Monday he's continuing to take 1st team snaps, and (2) Fisher is referring to Young's bye week practices as being no different than back-up prep. When an owner is going public that he wants Young to start, that seemed interesting. Maybe it's just me though. I don't expect Fisher to lay his hand on the table for the opponent to see, yet it does seem weird not to give Vince all first team reps if he wants him prepared to start. Then again who am I kidding, why would Fisher want Vince prepared to start.I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.
Would this be the first time that it has appeared to you that Young wasn't being put in the best position to succeed since he's been in Tennessee?Yeah, that was my reading also. As a whole, the article indicates (1) Collins has no indication he's being replaced, which means as of Monday he's continuing to take 1st team snaps, and (2) Fisher is referring to Young's bye week practices as being no different than back-up prep. When an owner is going public that he wants Young to start, that seemed interesting. Maybe it's just me though. I don't expect Fisher to lay his hand on the table for the opponent to see, yet it does seem weird not to give Vince all first team reps if he wants him prepared to start. Then again who am I kidding, why would Fisher want Vince prepared to start.I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.
And how many would they have to win with Kerry Collins for his play to be considered successful?That brings up a good question...maybe someone else already mentioned it, I dunno...what would be enough to consider his play a success from here on out, just in terms of wins and losses? The Titans are 0-6 and have lost 8 straight and 9 of 10. Let's say the defense continues to play like crap. How many of the Titans 10 remaining games do they have to win with VY at the helm for his play to be considered successful?
If no one has fixed this yet, it is fixed now.Proven when Collins posted a better W-L record the following season with the same team.Vince Young The Titans Defense won plenty of games for Fisher (while Young masqueraded as the QB). Seems like he has a personal agenda against Young and its getting in the way of performing his coaching job. There's simply no other explanation when a coach refuses to look to the future even after his team is 0-6. He shouldn't have to be ordered by the owner to do what everyone knows is the right move at this juncture. If Fisher is right about Vince, all he'd do is validate his assessment and improve his draft pick. While I think Fisher's a heck of a coach, he's not good enough to be irrational on a topic like this. He's setting the future of the franchise back (whether it's with or without Vince, pending Vince's performance) for seemingly his own personal agenda.
agree completely but you said it much better than I.At the end of the day, who TENN plays now has no bearing on the future of the franchise.
-- VY is gone. They haven't seen anything in VY lately that they haven't seen before. VY can run but he hasn't shown quickness recently. His arm strength and leadership is average. When it comes to anything else valued at the position, he is wanting -- accuracy, decision making (reads, situational assessments), mental toughness, are all very poor. You can't win consistently with a player who systematically makes errant throws and bad choices on the field.
-- Collins is gone. Based on the results this year, the franchise will cut ties with him as soon as feasible. I say "results" because his actual performance has been adequate. He's looked fairly good in most of the games I've seen him (PITT, HOU, JAX). Collins has shown poise in the pocket and has made a lot of hard, accurate throws. He's made some costly turnovers. He's also been a victim of ridiculous # of drops. And really, the type of offense TENN has just isn't geared to come back from 21-0 every game.
None of these QB's have much value to the franchise in the future. The question is, "who can win me the next game."
To that, clearly Collins is the better player based on what Fisher has seen on film and in practice.
That would be borderline hysterical.....unless you're a Titan fan, I suppose.Next year, Bud Adams will insist that the team draft Tim Tebow.
I agree that VY probably isn't in Tennessee next year, but if you're seriously asserting that he hasn't shown quickness recently, then you're either being disingenuous or you didn't watch much of Young in the preseason. He showed up in the best shape of his career and was easily the quickest he's ever been as a pro, and in fact looked the quickest he ever has to me, including his college days. Does that mean he'll turn the Titans' offense on it's collective ear? No. But to say he hasn't shown quickness of late is exactly the opposite of the truth.At the end of the day, who TENN plays now has no bearing on the future of the franchise.
-- VY is gone. They haven't seen anything in VY lately that they haven't seen before. VY can run but he hasn't shown quickness recently. His arm strength and leadership is average. When it comes to anything else valued at the position, he is wanting -- accuracy, decision making (reads, situational assessments), mental toughness, are all very poor. You can't win consistently with a player who systematically makes errant throws and bad choices on the field.
-- Collins is gone. Based on the results this year, the franchise will cut ties with him as soon as feasible. I say "results" because his actual performance has been adequate. He's looked fairly good in most of the games I've seen him (PITT, HOU, JAX). Collins has shown poise in the pocket and has made a lot of hard, accurate throws. He's made some costly turnovers. He's also been a victim of ridiculous # of drops. And really, the type of offense TENN has just isn't geared to come back from 21-0 every game.
None of these QB's have much value to the franchise in the future. The question is, "who can win me the next game."
To that, clearly Collins is the better player based on what Fisher has seen on film and in practice.
I've been saying this since the end of last year. There's no doubt in my mind that the Titans will take Tebow next year. Even moreso now that they're looking at a Top 5 draft pick. Tebow is not some mental midget like Vince Young that will score a -14 on the Wunderlich test. He's a sharp guy that any struggling franchise will take a little bit of a gamble on. And he'll definitely put people in the seats on Sundays, as well as focus all media attention on the Titans next year.Next year, Bud Adams will insist that the team draft Tim Tebow.
Apparently not, if Collins took all 1st team snaps and Young continued to work with the scout team.If the Titans are going to throw Vince Young back in the starting lineup, then this is as an ideal time as any this year. He's had the bye week to get ready for this game and the Jaguars generate very little pass rush.
I heard that VY and Collins split 1st team snaps 50/50 today, and that tomorrow Fischor will be announcing who Sunday's starter will be.BigJim® said:Apparently not, if Collins took all 1st team snaps and Young continued to work with the scout team.Mr. Brownstone said:If the Titans are going to throw Vince Young back in the starting lineup, then this is as an ideal time as any this year. He's had the bye week to get ready for this game and the Jaguars generate very little pass rush.
He's not exactly making any bold predictions there. The team has lost 8 straight, been horrible on offense, just had their starting QB throw for -7 yards in a humiliating shutout, has the owner of the team publicly calling for VY to start ... and Fishcir still hasn't named VY the starter. That says a lot about the confidence the coaching staff has in him.the hairy scotsman said:FWIW, given his history, the Houston Chronicle's John McClain just said on ESPN Radio 1530 here in Austin that VY would be the starter for the Titans this week, but that he would "under no circumstances" be with the Titans next season, and that he expected Young to be signed by another team to a one-year contract for 2010. We'll see.
...and a worse one with the same team the next year.If no one has fixed this yet, it is fixed now.Proven when Collins posted a better W-L record the following season with the same team.Vince Young The Titans Defense won plenty of games for Fisher (while Young masqueraded as the QB). Seems like he has a personal agenda against Young and its getting in the way of performing his coaching job. There's simply no other explanation when a coach refuses to look to the future even after his team is 0-6. He shouldn't have to be ordered by the owner to do what everyone knows is the right move at this juncture. If Fisher is right about Vince, all he'd do is validate his assessment and improve his draft pick. While I think Fisher's a heck of a coach, he's not good enough to be irrational on a topic like this. He's setting the future of the franchise back (whether it's with or without Vince, pending Vince's performance) for seemingly his own personal agenda.
Who is claiming it will?This will fix everything.
I'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will probably get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
sho nuff said:Who is claiming it will?Nate said:This will fix everything.
both are on my ww and I'm leaning towards Britt. Tenn has a decent sched coming upJAC@SFBUF@HOUARZI'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
Well, he def has talent and Young did throw to him a good bit in the preseason. So who knows...both are on my ww and I'm leaning towards Britt. Tenn has a decent sched coming upJAC@SFBUF@HOUARZI'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
I just picked up Britt, but now I'm considering dropping him.which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?