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Adams tells Fisher to play Vince Young now (1 Viewer)

Adams has been pining for Fischer to start Young all year.

I think Fischer wants to get fired(Manning jersey incident)

If Im Fischer, I start Young the first play, then sub in Collins. That'll buy his ticket out of TN

 
Adams has been pining for Fischer to start Young all year.I think Fischer wants to get fired(Manning jersey incident)If Im Fischer, I start Young the first play, then sub in Collins. That'll buy his ticket out of TN
Start Young at outside LB.
 
I think Tenn fans should be careful what you wish for. I know just winning is sometimes boring but there are other fans that would love to be in that situation.

 
I think Tenn fans should be careful what you wish for. I know just winning is sometimes boring but there are other fans that would love to be in that situation.
I know Tennessee fans would love to win right now.
I'm sure but I don't think there is a coach in the history of the NFL that would make this team into a winning team. They have an absolutely terrible defense right now and no coach can change that.
 
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
 
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
If i did i would not do it the way people here are suggesting he I am not a Fischer fan by any stretch, but I don't think he's screwing around with who he does and doesn't start to try and get fired. I have more respect for him as a person than many here do I guess.
 
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.
 
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.
or publiclly state that ownership is ruining the TitansSee how long it takes for them to fire you then.But no, he'll snark around and play games with the team to try and covertly get fired, risking his reputation at the same time.I am always telling people i think Fischer is a doosh, and even I think that's a stretch
 
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him

Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.

“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...

 
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I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.
I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.
 
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.
I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.
in a nanno-second.
 
Banger said:
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job.
And yet in 10 less pass attempts Young threw for 7 more yards than Collins -7 for the rest of the game.
Banger said:
Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Sarcasm?
 
Banger said:
BigJim® said:
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him

Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.

“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.
 
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Banger said:
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job.
And yet in 10 less pass attempts Young threw for 7 more yards than Collins -7 for the rest of the game.
Banger said:
Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Sarcasm?
LOL, true he didn't have negative yards so he's got that going for him. not sarcasm at all he just said nothing. When asked if they were ready, he didn't say they were ready, he didn't say there would be changes, he said that the backups took advantage of their opportunities. To me that's Belicheck talk...talking without saying anything.
 
Banger said:
BigJim® said:
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him

Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.

“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.
I know I just found the quote funny that "he took advantage of his opportunities"...the stat line couldn't have been a lot worse...well except for Kerry's.
 
Gr00vus said:
Banger said:
domvin said:
B-Deep said:
I think the Fischer wanting to get fired talk is ridiculous
if you were coming off a 13-3 year, and all the fans and Ownership were on your ###, being a successful coach, wouldn't you at some point want to say screw you back?Sure, it questions his integrity but at what point do you just say screw it-I'll take another team to the playoffs, with ownership not all over my rear?
why not just quit then? I just don't see him being that type of coach at all. He's always struck me as a guy who loves his team and players and they like him as a coach. I remember times when his players got hurt and he was out there right out on the field with them whereas I haven't noticed a lot of other coaches do that. I don't know for whatever reason I've always admired him from afar and thought he was among the best in the business.
I'd gladly trade the current Chargers head coach for Fisher.
this would be a good thread"Would you trade your team's head coach for Fischer"I am on the record as not liking him and i'd do it without a second thought.
 
Banger said:
BigJim® said:
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/spor...g-it-s-news-him

Fisher was asked on Monday if Young was ready to play, if needed, based on any work he got in running the offense during the bye week.

“I think he, along with a lot of the players that are in backup roles, took advantage of their opportunities last week,” Fisher said.
a solid stat line like 0-2 for 0 yards with a pick and two rushes for -1 yards will tend to get you back into a starting job. Well, that and the owner calling you and ordering you to insert him in the lineup.Fisher said absolutely nothing in that quote by the way...
Yeah, that's a pretty good sampling (coming off the bench in the snow in a blowout) to base a half-season on. Agreed though that Fisher said nothing there.
I know I just found the quote funny that "he took advantage of his opportunities"...the stat line couldn't have been a lot worse...well except for Kerry's.
I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.
 
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I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.
Yeah, that was my reading also. As a whole, the article indicates (1) Collins has no indication he's being replaced, which means as of Monday he's continuing to take 1st team snaps, and (2) Fisher is referring to Young's bye week practices as being no different than back-up prep. When an owner is going public that he wants Young to start, that seemed interesting. Maybe it's just me though. I don't expect Fisher to lay his hand on the table for the opponent to see, yet it does seem weird not to give Vince all first team reps if he wants him prepared to start. Then again who am I kidding, why would Fisher want Vince prepared to start.
 
I think Fissure was talking about practice during the bye week - not the Pats game - as indicated by the bolded text.
Yeah, that was my reading also. As a whole, the article indicates (1) Collins has no indication he's being replaced, which means as of Monday he's continuing to take 1st team snaps, and (2) Fisher is referring to Young's bye week practices as being no different than back-up prep. When an owner is going public that he wants Young to start, that seemed interesting. Maybe it's just me though. I don't expect Fisher to lay his hand on the table for the opponent to see, yet it does seem weird not to give Vince all first team reps if he wants him prepared to start. Then again who am I kidding, why would Fisher want Vince prepared to start.
Would this be the first time that it has appeared to you that Young wasn't being put in the best position to succeed since he's been in Tennessee?
 
That brings up a good question...maybe someone else already mentioned it, I dunno...what would be enough to consider his play a success from here on out, just in terms of wins and losses? The Titans are 0-6 and have lost 8 straight and 9 of 10. Let's say the defense continues to play like crap. How many of the Titans 10 remaining games do they have to win with VY at the helm for his play to be considered successful?
And how many would they have to win with Kerry Collins for his play to be considered successful?
 
Bud Adams would be a fool to fire Fizhure. Jerry Jones would be all over that.

And does Young starting kill the value of every Titans WR?

 
Vince Young The Titans Defense won plenty of games for Fisher (while Young masqueraded as the QB). Seems like he has a personal agenda against Young and its getting in the way of performing his coaching job. There's simply no other explanation when a coach refuses to look to the future even after his team is 0-6. He shouldn't have to be ordered by the owner to do what everyone knows is the right move at this juncture. If Fisher is right about Vince, all he'd do is validate his assessment and improve his draft pick. While I think Fisher's a heck of a coach, he's not good enough to be irrational on a topic like this. He's setting the future of the franchise back (whether it's with or without Vince, pending Vince's performance) for seemingly his own personal agenda.
If no one has fixed this yet, it is fixed now.Proven when Collins posted a better W-L record the following season with the same team.

 
At the end of the day, who TENN plays now has no bearing on the future of the franchise.

-- VY is gone. They haven't seen anything in VY lately that they haven't seen before. VY can run but he hasn't shown quickness recently. His arm strength and leadership is average. When it comes to anything else valued at the position, he is wanting -- accuracy, decision making (reads, situational assessments), mental toughness, are all very poor. You can't win consistently with a player who systematically makes errant throws and bad choices on the field.

-- Collins is gone. Based on the results this year, the franchise will cut ties with him as soon as feasible. I say "results" because his actual performance has been adequate. He's looked fairly good in most of the games I've seen him (PITT, HOU, JAX). Collins has shown poise in the pocket and has made a lot of hard, accurate throws. He's made some costly turnovers. He's also been a victim of ridiculous # of drops. And really, the type of offense TENN has just isn't geared to come back from 21-0 every game.

None of these QB's have much value to the franchise in the future. The question is, "who can win me the next game."

To that, clearly Collins is the better player based on what Fisher has seen on film and in practice.

 
At the end of the day, who TENN plays now has no bearing on the future of the franchise.

-- VY is gone. They haven't seen anything in VY lately that they haven't seen before. VY can run but he hasn't shown quickness recently. His arm strength and leadership is average. When it comes to anything else valued at the position, he is wanting -- accuracy, decision making (reads, situational assessments), mental toughness, are all very poor. You can't win consistently with a player who systematically makes errant throws and bad choices on the field.

-- Collins is gone. Based on the results this year, the franchise will cut ties with him as soon as feasible. I say "results" because his actual performance has been adequate. He's looked fairly good in most of the games I've seen him (PITT, HOU, JAX). Collins has shown poise in the pocket and has made a lot of hard, accurate throws. He's made some costly turnovers. He's also been a victim of ridiculous # of drops. And really, the type of offense TENN has just isn't geared to come back from 21-0 every game.

None of these QB's have much value to the franchise in the future. The question is, "who can win me the next game."

To that, clearly Collins is the better player based on what Fisher has seen on film and in practice.
agree completely but you said it much better than I.
 
At the end of the day, who TENN plays now has no bearing on the future of the franchise.

-- VY is gone. They haven't seen anything in VY lately that they haven't seen before. VY can run but he hasn't shown quickness recently. His arm strength and leadership is average. When it comes to anything else valued at the position, he is wanting -- accuracy, decision making (reads, situational assessments), mental toughness, are all very poor. You can't win consistently with a player who systematically makes errant throws and bad choices on the field.

-- Collins is gone. Based on the results this year, the franchise will cut ties with him as soon as feasible. I say "results" because his actual performance has been adequate. He's looked fairly good in most of the games I've seen him (PITT, HOU, JAX). Collins has shown poise in the pocket and has made a lot of hard, accurate throws. He's made some costly turnovers. He's also been a victim of ridiculous # of drops. And really, the type of offense TENN has just isn't geared to come back from 21-0 every game.

None of these QB's have much value to the franchise in the future. The question is, "who can win me the next game."

To that, clearly Collins is the better player based on what Fisher has seen on film and in practice.
I agree that VY probably isn't in Tennessee next year, but if you're seriously asserting that he hasn't shown quickness recently, then you're either being disingenuous or you didn't watch much of Young in the preseason. He showed up in the best shape of his career and was easily the quickest he's ever been as a pro, and in fact looked the quickest he ever has to me, including his college days. Does that mean he'll turn the Titans' offense on it's collective ear? No. But to say he hasn't shown quickness of late is exactly the opposite of the truth.
 
Next year, Bud Adams will insist that the team draft Tim Tebow.
I've been saying this since the end of last year. There's no doubt in my mind that the Titans will take Tebow next year. Even moreso now that they're looking at a Top 5 draft pick. Tebow is not some mental midget like Vince Young that will score a -14 on the Wunderlich test. He's a sharp guy that any struggling franchise will take a little bit of a gamble on. And he'll definitely put people in the seats on Sundays, as well as focus all media attention on the Titans next year.
 
If the Titans are going to throw Vince Young back in the starting lineup, then this is as an ideal time as any this year. He's had the bye week to get ready for this game and the Jaguars generate very little pass rush.

 
If the Titans are going to throw Vince Young back in the starting lineup, then this is as an ideal time as any this year. He's had the bye week to get ready for this game and the Jaguars generate very little pass rush.
Apparently not, if Collins took all 1st team snaps and Young continued to work with the scout team.
 
FWIW, given his history, the Houston Chronicle's John McClain just said on ESPN Radio 1530 here in Austin that VY would be the starter for the Titans this week, but that he would "under no circumstances" be with the Titans next season, and that he expected Young to be signed by another team to a one-year contract for 2010.

We'll see.

 
BigJim® said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
If the Titans are going to throw Vince Young back in the starting lineup, then this is as an ideal time as any this year. He's had the bye week to get ready for this game and the Jaguars generate very little pass rush.
Apparently not, if Collins took all 1st team snaps and Young continued to work with the scout team.
I heard that VY and Collins split 1st team snaps 50/50 today, and that tomorrow Fischor will be announcing who Sunday's starter will be.
 
the hairy scotsman said:
FWIW, given his history, the Houston Chronicle's John McClain just said on ESPN Radio 1530 here in Austin that VY would be the starter for the Titans this week, but that he would "under no circumstances" be with the Titans next season, and that he expected Young to be signed by another team to a one-year contract for 2010. We'll see.
He's not exactly making any bold predictions there. The team has lost 8 straight, been horrible on offense, just had their starting QB throw for -7 yards in a humiliating shutout, has the owner of the team publicly calling for VY to start ... and Fishcir still hasn't named VY the starter. That says a lot about the confidence the coaching staff has in him.
 
Titans to start Vince Young against Jaguars:

By Jim Wyatt • THE TENNESSEAN • October 29, 2009

The Vince Young era will resume on Sunday when the Titans play the Jaguars at LP Field.

Coach Jeff Fisher will announce later today that Young will replace veteran Kerry Collins as the starting quarterback, according to sources familiar with the situation.

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Fisher could not immediately be reached for comment. Young, Collins and Fisher are expected to speak with reporters after practice, which is scheduled to begin at noon.

The quarterback switch comes a few days after Titans owner Bud Adams informed the coaching staff he wants Young to start immediately. Young, the team's first-round draft pick in 2006, has played sparingly since last September's season-opener against the Jaguars.

Collins then replaced Young and has started 20 of the past 21 games, including the first six games this season, all losses.

There were plenty of signs of an impending change on Wednesday, when Young and Collins split reps with the first-team offense. Afterward, Fisher said he would make an announcement after Thursday's practice. He wanted to wait for "competitive reasons.''

Jaguars Coach Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday his team was preparing for both quarterbacks.

"Without sitting here and getting into game-planning things, I think obviously they're a little bit different,'' Del Rio said in a conference call with Tennessee media. "One's a little more mobile. One's a little more accurate. Kerry's more of a pure pocket passer. They both have led that team there to many, many wins over the years and we know they're both capable.''

Following a 59-0 loss to the Patriots on Oct. 18, Adams told The Tennessean he had let the coaches know he wanted to see more of Young. Adams was even more direct during the bye week, which prompted the change.

Collins signed a two-year, $14 million deal in the offseason after guiding the Titans to a 13-3 finish last season. He is 108-of-197 passing for 1,071 yards this season, with five touchdowns and eight interceptions.

But now it's Young's turn. In two appearances this season, Young is 0-for-5 with an interception. His last start came last December at Indianapolis, when the Titans rested their starters for the playoffs.

In his first three NFL seasons, Young had 29 regular season starts and a record of 18-11. In 2006, Young replaced Collins after a 0-3 start, guided the Titans to an 8-8 finish and was named NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. But he didn't have the same success in '07, when he threw nine touchdown passes and 17 interceptions.

On Wednesday, Titans' players said they'd be ready to support Young if he was named the starter.

"Just seeing how hard he hit the offseason, training camp,'' receiver Justin Gage said. "He has been working hard to this point.

"(Last year) was a chance for him to sit back and learn the game for a year. He has done that and I feel like he is ready to go out there and show what he can do.''

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091029...against+Jaguars

 
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Vince Young The Titans Defense won plenty of games for Fisher (while Young masqueraded as the QB). Seems like he has a personal agenda against Young and its getting in the way of performing his coaching job. There's simply no other explanation when a coach refuses to look to the future even after his team is 0-6. He shouldn't have to be ordered by the owner to do what everyone knows is the right move at this juncture. If Fisher is right about Vince, all he'd do is validate his assessment and improve his draft pick. While I think Fisher's a heck of a coach, he's not good enough to be irrational on a topic like this. He's setting the future of the franchise back (whether it's with or without Vince, pending Vince's performance) for seemingly his own personal agenda.
If no one has fixed this yet, it is fixed now.Proven when Collins posted a better W-L record the following season with the same team.
...and a worse one with the same team the next year.
 
which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
I'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will probably get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.
 
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which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
I'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.
both are on my ww and I'm leaning towards Britt. Tenn has a decent sched coming upJAC@SFBUF@HOUARZ
 
which WR option out of Gage or Britt does VY have a better rapport with, if at all. which one benefits from the switch?
I'd say it's pretty equal. He spread the ball around pretty well in the preseason...but if you have to pick one, Gage is gonna be on the field more now than Britt was in the preseason and will get more looks. They're still Tennessee wrs though.
both are on my ww and I'm leaning towards Britt. Tenn has a decent sched coming upJAC@SFBUF@HOUARZ
Well, he def has talent and Young did throw to him a good bit in the preseason. So who knows...
 

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