Addai after game one (1 Viewer)

[Brunell4MVP]

Addai is an average RB. But he will not lose his starting job and will continue to see 60-70% of the touches (barring inj). I could see him losing the job next year though. Indy had no problem ditching Edge when he was much better than Addai is now.

The bigger problem is that Indy is a pass first team. Last year, only 2 teams ran it less (Ari and Det). Indy's OL is simply not a good run blocking line. Addai is also a great blocker on pass plays, so I'd think Manning wants him in there the majority of the time.

Addai will get you 60 yards rush, 20 yards rec, and maybe 1 TD every two games. You just have to pick the right matchups. Most people can live with that from a RB3.

 

[packersfan]

Addai is an average RB. But he will not lose his starting job and will continue to see 60-70% of the touches

Addai had 56% of the touches in Week 1.

 

[karmarooster]

Addai is an average RB. But he will not lose his starting job and will continue to see 60-70% of the touches

Addai had 56% of the touches in Week 1.

that's not really accurate. It's more useful to consider carries plus targets as "attempted touches." as stated in the 2nd post in this thread:

Carries + targets:Addai 17 + 6 = 23Brown 11 + 2 = 1364/36

Some other RBBCs around the league (again, rushes + targets). As stated in 26th post in the thread:

Jacobs and Bradshaw - 54/46DWilliams and Stewart - 58/42Barber, Felix, Choice - 58/25/16Westbrook and McCoy - 59/41McFadden and Bush - 61/39Turner and Norwood - 73/27

Packers Fan, in almost every post in this thread, you've spun everything and interpreted everything so as to reflect the idea that Brown is the better RB (he may very well be) and that he is also the more valuable RB in this committee. That's simply not true as of RIGHT NOW.

I thought it was interesting that in the fourth quarter of a close game against a division rival Brown was the RB utilized more than Addai.

Red Zone Carries: Addai - 4. Brown - 0. Do you think this is telling? Case Closed: In ReDraft, Addai will continue to be the more useful RB for fantasy purposes until Brown significantly outplays him - he hasn't, but may later - or Addai is injured - which he isn't (YET!).

 

[packersfan]

Who's spinning anything? I simply stated two facts:

1. Brown was the RB on the field in the fourth quarter of a close game against a division rival in Week 1.

2. Addai received 56% of the touches in Week 1, not 60-70%.

I do not know if Brown is going to be the better RB. Let me be very clear about that. I simply believe the Colts drafted him in the first round for a reason and I believe the fact they drafted him in the first round is a strong indication they want to use him this season. I also said that he needs to take advantage of the opportunities when they are presented to him - which he didn't do on the two short-yardage carries in the fourth quarter.

I've also said in prior posts in this forum that I expect Addai to retain the goal-line role. That's something he's been good at thus far in his career.

 

[switz]

Who's spinning anything? I simply stated two facts:

1. Brown was the RB on the field in the fourth quarter of a close game against a division rival in Week 1.

2. Addai received 56% of the touches in Week 1, not 60-70%.

I do not know if Brown is going to be the better RB. Let me be very clear about that. I simply believe the Colts drafted him in the first round for a reason and I believe the fact they drafted him in the first round is a strong indication they want to use him this season. I also said that he needs to take advantage of the opportunities when they are presented to him - which he didn't do on the two short-yardage carries in the fourth quarter.

I've also said in prior posts in this forum that I expect Addai to retain the goal-line role. That's something he's been good at thus far in his career.

I think you're splitting hairs there... 56/44 is much closer to 60/40 than 50/50. And, as the other poster put rather plainly, from an opportunity standpoint, Addai received more than 60% of the opportunity for touches between the two. Disregarding targets when talking about a players share is "spinning stats" IMO. And while they gave Brown the carries in the 4th, he was a HUGE disappointment. I don't think you'll see that again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brown see a few more carries early, so Addai can be featured in the 4th quarter.

Do you believe the Steelers drafted Mendenhall last year in the first for a reason?

The Colts actually stated after the draft WHY they drafted Brown... not to replace Addai, rather to platoon with Addai. People thinking Brown is going to take over the motherload of carries barring injury to Addai aren't looking at things clearly. While I agree, given history, that an injury to Addai is pretty likely, until that happens, Addai will be the primary ball carrier in an RBBC. And it will be more like 60/40 in Addai's favor than anything close to favoring Brown.

 

[packersfan]

People thinking Brown is going to take over the motherload of carries barring injury to Addai aren't looking at things clearly.

When did I say that? All I've said is I think we'll see something similar to what we saw in the second half of last season with Addai and Rhodes. The difference - and I think it's significant - is the Colts have a lot more invested in Brown then they did with Rhodes. Again, though, I'll repeat that Brown needs to take advantage of the chances he gets. If I had to place a percentage on the touches breakdown, I could see it remaining 55-45 in favor of Addai for the time being. I believe health and performance will dictate how the split goes as the season goes along.

 

[switz]

People thinking Brown is going to take over the motherload of carries barring injury to Addai aren't looking at things clearly.

When did I say that? All I've said is I think we'll see something similar to what we saw in the second half of last season with Addai and Rhodes. The difference - and I think it's significant - is the Colts have a lot more invested in Brown then they did with Rhodes. Again, though, I'll repeat that Brown needs to take advantage of the chances he gets. If I had to place a percentage on the touches breakdown, I could see it remaining 55-45 in favor of Addai for the time being. I believe health and performance will dictate how the split goes as the season goes along.

That comment wasn't aimed at you in particular, which is why I stated "people" thinking that way, not "you" thinking that way...As far as your 55-45, I'm unsure of where you are getting your percentages in the first place...

Addai had 17 carries, 5 receptions = 22 touches

Brown had 11 carries, 2 receptions = 13 touches

35 total touches between them

Addai 22/35 = 63%

Brown 13/35 = 37%

Hence Addai had 63% of the touches.

Even if you look at carries only

Addai 17/28 = 60%

Brown 11/28 = 40%

Either you're bad at math, or you're simply making things up.

Now, Polian blamed the OL more than Brown, but he was vocal in that he was disappointed in the way Brown handled those 4th quarter carries. Brown is a rookie, he will learn, but if the game is on the line, they'll go with Addai in the future. Just my $0.02.

 

[packersfan]

I suck at math.

Sorry about the mistake.

 

[switz]

I suck at math. Sorry about the mistake.

No worries, I used a calculator

 

[packersfan]

I suck at math. Sorry about the mistake.

No worries, I used a calculator

Me too. That's why I suck. I agree with you that Brown didn't take advantage of his opportunities. It will be interesting to see who the fourth-quarter "closer" is on Monday night if the game is close.

 

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Don't mean to pour any more salt in the womb but..

Just finished re-watching the game and noticed Addai actually pulled himself out on the Colts' 2nd drive with a helmet problem. Brown then picked up a reception and a carry before Addai came back into the game. Worth noting since Brown only had 1 other touch in that half.

If those two touches go to Addai, seems like it'd have ended in more of a 70/30 split. (Switz, please check my math)

Brown v. JAX:

1st Quarter:

(1 carry 1 catch)

-Came in when Addai pulled himself with a helmet malfunction

2nd Quarter:

(1 carry)

-In to begin 2nd, Addai came in on the next play and fumbled

3rd Quarter:

(3 carries 1 catch)

-Addai drops short pass, Brown comes in and gets 4 touches on the Wayne TD drive, then sat the rest of the quarter

4th Quarter:

(6 carries)

-Had 1st carry of the first possession, then gave way to Addai

-Had all of the real last posession, couldn't convert on 3rd & 1 or 4th & 1 to end the game.

I own both Addai & Brown in a few leagues and expected a 50/50 split. Both backs look great, but at this point it looks like Addai will get the clear majority as well as GL/short yardage. If Addai goes down, I have no doubt Brown could pick up his slack.

 

[joetrow]

3 minutes left in game VS miami, Addai 6 rush for 32 1 catch for 7 0td, Brown 4 for 26 and 1 for 24 and 1td. about 60 40 split if im calculating right... Neither getting many touches as miami has had the ball for alot of time in the game, then when Indy does have it they score pretty fast. Any new takes on the indy backfield??

 

[karmarooster]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

 

[aldelgreco]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

 

[gigantor]

I don't know what to think after that game. The fact that the Colts had the ball for less than 15mins kind of screws up any thought process I have

 

[switz]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

 

[joetrow]

Anyone know of a website where I can find the breakdown of percentage of plays each back were in? I think this game is really distorted because of the time of possesion being so much in favor of Miami, but would still like to see the breakdown.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

 

[joffer]

Don't mean to pour any more salt in the womb but..

ouch

 

[switz]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

you must have Brown on your team addai was 6-32, brown was 3-11

yes, until the TD Addai looked much better than Brown

 

[steelwind]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB.

The last series Addai was in, he misread the right side blitz and Manning got clobbered by Porter. After that it was all Donald Brown. As a veteran RB you have got to pick up the blitz.

 

[TheFanatic]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

So before his TD run you were impressed with his three carries for 11 yards? Switz' statement is totally accurate. Until that last carry Brown looked mediocre. But with a small sample size I don't know how you can make a claim either way here....

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

you must have Brown on your team addai was 6-32, brown was 3-11

yes, until the TD Addai looked much better than Brown

....and you don't have Addai? Lord have mercy !! The 6-32 and 3-11 is such a small sample size you can't put a label on their play at that point. All I saw was Brown run with authority. Something Addai can't do. Also, Addai about got Manning killed on that one sack. He was standing right next to Peyton and was looking at the rusher and didn't even offer to put a hand on him. Yes, Brown looks more like a complete back.

 

[az_prof]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

Does anyone else think the lightbulb went off in HC Caldwell's head when Brown ran in that TD? Does anyone think Addai could have broken four tackles and manned his way into the end zone like that? I don't. It will still be RBBC but Brown is on his way to winning this job. He blocks wells. He catches well. And he runs both hard and with great burst. When a rookie is your fourth quarter guy he IS your guy.

 

[Chaka]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

you must have Brown on your team addai was 6-32, brown was 3-11

yes, until the TD Addai looked much better than Brown

Are we doing the whole "discounting of the longest run" thing? Because if we are...

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

So before his TD run you were impressed with his three carries for 11 yards? Switz' statement is totally accurate. Until that last carry Brown looked mediocre. But with a small sample size I don't know how you can make a claim either way here....

Brown ran with passion and blocked with passion. It was clear Addai didn't block and didn't run when it counted on those 3 and outs.

 

[az_prof]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB.

The last series Addai was in, he misread the right side blitz and Manning got clobbered by Porter. After that it was all Donald Brown. As a veteran RB you have got to pick up the blitz.

I noticed that missed block too and totally agree. Addai is not a better runner so if he can't block better why play him?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I thought maybe Petyon was pissed at that missed assingment and then decided to roll with Brown from there on out.

But with not enough time with the ball who knows.

 

[steelwind]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

Does anyone else think the lightbulb went off in HC Caldwell's head when Brown ran in that TD? Does anyone think Addai could have broken four tackles and manned his way into the end zone like that? I don't. It will still be RBBC but Brown is on his way to winning this job. He blocks wells. He catches well. And he runs both hard and with great burst. When a rookie is your fourth quarter guy he IS your guy.

This was my next question. How well does Brown block? Sometimes speed and talent does not let you stay on the football field. Think J. Norwood in Atl.

 

[Chaka]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

So before his TD run you were impressed with his three carries for 11 yards? Switz' statement is totally accurate. Until that last carry Brown looked mediocre. But with a small sample size I don't know how you can make a claim either way here....

Brown ran with passion and blocked with passion. It was clear Addai didn't block and didn't run when it counted on those 3 and outs.

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

 

[Chaka]

Anyway you look at it Brown's TD run was more impressive than any run I can recall Addai ever making.

His long reception on the wheel route was very nice too.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

Does anyone else think the lightbulb went off in HC Caldwell's head when Brown ran in that TD? Does anyone think Addai could have broken four tackles and manned his way into the end zone like that? I don't. It will still be RBBC but Brown is on his way to winning this job. He blocks wells. He catches well. And he runs both hard and with great burst. When a rookie is your fourth quarter guy he IS your guy.

This was my next question. How well does Brown block? Sometimes speed and talent does not let you stay on the football field. Think J. Norwood in Atl.

He's a well rounded RB. He does everything pretty well.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

 

[Chaka]

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

I think his TD run was very impressive but for all I know he could have been wondering if he left the iron on.

 

[switz]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

LOL, not really. Face it, Brown is a better RB. I know the Colts know it and Brown could start to get most of the PT very soon.

you must have Brown on your team addai was 6-32, brown was 3-11

yes, until the TD Addai looked much better than Brown

....and you don't have Addai? Lord have mercy !! The 6-32 and 3-11 is such a small sample size you can't put a label on their play at that point. All I saw was Brown run with authority. Something Addai can't do. Also, Addai about got Manning killed on that one sack. He was standing right next to Peyton and was looking at the rusher and didn't even offer to put a hand on him. Yes, Brown looks more like a complete back.

I have both on one roster, neither on any of the others. And for goodness sake I thought we had some football people in here. Addai stepped inside to block another rusher who got free, which was his job. It's easier to avoid an outside rusher by stepping into the pocket than an inside rusher that gets through. It didn't matter which lineman Addai blocked, one of them was going to get Manning.Anyone with any objectivity would say neither RB looked bad at all. Like I said, until late in the game Addai looked better, that's not discounting the run, it's just a statement of fact. I am of the opinion Addai also would have scored in that play, but that's opinion.

Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

I think his TD run was very impressive but for all I know he could have been wondering if he left the iron on.

You lost me on that one.

 

[az_prof]

well we haven't seen much at all from addai in the 2nd half, and Brown was involved heavily on the TD drive at 10:00 in the 4th, and the quick strike TD at 3:30 in the 4th for the go-ahead score.

looks like brown is their 4th quarter rb. Probably hoping his fresh legs will do well against tired defenses. Both backs looked good, addai looked better until brown's td run late in the game.

Does anyone else think the lightbulb went off in HC Caldwell's head when Brown ran in that TD? Does anyone think Addai could have broken four tackles and manned his way into the end zone like that? I don't. It will still be RBBC but Brown is on his way to winning this job. He blocks wells. He catches well. And he runs both hard and with great burst. When a rookie is your fourth quarter guy he IS your guy.

This was my next question. How well does Brown block? Sometimes speed and talent does not let you stay on the football field. Think J. Norwood in Atl.

He's a well rounded RB. He does everything pretty well.

Yes, he blocks well--much better than most rookies. And if you read above you will note that several of us are calling out Addai for a missed block that led to Manning being sacked. Brown made his pass protection reads.

 

[packersfan]

Arguing about who is the better RB is subjective. The one fact is what I posted in my Donald Brown thread - when the game has been on the line each of the first two weeks it's been Brown who the Colts wanted to be on the field. That's been quite clear.

 

[jafo]

Brown had a tremendous TD run. He looked like a much better all around back tonight than Addai. When the game was on the line at the end it was Brown that was in, not Addai. Even the announcer made a comment that he wasn't sure if Addai was injured since he wasn't in the game. The coaches obviously felt they had a better chance to win with Brown in pass protection than Addai. And they were right.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.

.....and your blind love for Addai the last couple of years is objective? You're funny.

 

[Chaka]

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

I think his TD run was very impressive but for all I know he could have been wondering if he left the iron on.

You lost me on that one.

How do you judge passion from your couch?Were the Miami defenders lacking passion on that play?Using passion, as judged from your couch, as a means to compare Brown vs Addai makes no logical sense.

 

[Chaka]

FOr the record I think Brown is the superior RB.

But I am not about to say that Addai lacks passion or Brown has more.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

I think his TD run was very impressive but for all I know he could have been wondering if he left the iron on.

You lost me on that one.

How do you judge passion from your couch?Were the Miami defenders lacking passion on that play?Using passion, as judged from your couch, as a means to compare Brown vs Addai makes no logical sense.

I call the head butt and determination to get in the endzone a passionate play by Brown. Sorry you don't see it that way. What do you see from your couch?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

FOr the record I think Brown is the superior RB.But I am not about to say that Addai lacks passion or Brown has more.

Addai may play with passion, but IMO Brown plays with more. He plays harder than Addai.

 

[Chaka]

I call the head butt and determination to get in the endzone a passionate play by Brown. Sorry you don't see it that way. What do you see from your couch?

I saw a great TD run.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I call the head butt and determination to get in the endzone a passionate play by Brown. Sorry you don't see it that way. What do you see from your couch?

I saw a great TD run.

We can agree on that, even if we don't agree on the terminology.

 

[switz]

Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.

.....and your blind love for Addai the last couple of years is objective? You're funny.

As a Colts fan I like Colts RBs.Thank you for a post even more substantial than your case so far that Brown is the superior RB.I want both to do well, but so far neither one looks better than the other. That's where we're at. Two games in, Addai's seen the vast majority of work in the first 3 quarters, while Brown has been the guy in the 4th quarter. Addai so far has more 10+ yard runs than Brown. Each have a TD.It's pretty hard to determine much more than that, or even predict the usage of the RBs will change based on what we've seen so far.

 

[Chaka]

FOr the record I think Brown is the superior RB.But I am not about to say that Addai lacks passion or Brown has more.

Addai may play with passion, but IMO Brown plays with more. He plays harder than Addai.

I think you are substituting the emotional concept of passion (after all it is only a word) for tangible physical ability.We are not arguing at cross purposes here. I agree that Brown looks, to me, to be more physically gifted but that speaks nothing about either players desire or hear or passion (or whatever concept you wish to apply to the case).

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I have both on one roster, neither on any of the others. And for goodness sake I thought we had some football people in here. Addai stepped inside to block another rusher who got free, which was his job. It's easier to avoid an outside rusher by stepping into the pocket than an inside rusher that gets through. It didn't matter which lineman Addai blocked, one of them was going to get Manning.Anyone with any objectivity would say neither RB looked bad at all. Like I said, until late in the game Addai looked better, that's not discounting the run, it's just a statement of fact. I am of the opinion Addai also would have scored in that play, but that's opinion.Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.

-Addai stepping in to block the inside pass rusher was the correct move. I agree.-Agree both RB's looked decent, until the run Brown made.-I completely disagree with you about Addai scoring on that run. He would have gone down. He does not run with authority like that.

 

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Ran with passion? Were you the guy who said that Carson Palmer's passes lacked a mental edge?And here I was getting ready to rally to support your point...

No, I'm not the guy who said anything about Palmer. You don't think Brown ran with passion?

I think his TD run was very impressive but for all I know he could have been wondering if he left the iron on.

You lost me on that one.

How do you judge passion from your couch?

Tears.