Addai after game one (1 Viewer)

[switz]

I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.

Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TDBrown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TDIf Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.It's a 60/40 split in touches in Addai's favor, and it doesn't look like that's going to change. Brown looks explosive on some plays, but he is still underperforming Addai.

Regarding Brown's ypc, it's worth noting he gets the ball in the most obvious running situations, when the win is pretty much in the pocket.

That's only happened in one game so far. In fact, if you read this thread, you'll see how so many were touting that Brown was in there when the game was on the line, and how that shows he's the uberSTUD to be... so that's really inaccurate to say he gets it only in obvious running situations.The other side to that coin is that getting most of the work in the 4th quarter, he is running on fresh legs against tired defenses.

 

[Chaka]

Hey switz do you think Addai is actually a very good running back or just the best of Indy's options?

Because he has never shown himself to be much more than an average RB on a very talented team.

I am not sure what Brown is yet but I think we have seen pretty much all we are going to see from Addai. It should be enough to be a decent RB2-3 but not much more than that.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.

Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TD

Brown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TD

If Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.

It's a 60/40 split in touches in Addai's favor, and it doesn't look like that's going to change. Brown looks explosive on some plays, but he is still underperforming Addai.

Regarding Brown's ypc, it's worth noting he gets the ball in the most obvious running situations, when the win is pretty much in the pocket.

That's only happened in one game so far. In fact, if you read this thread, you'll see how so many were touting that Brown was in there when the game was on the line, and how that shows he's the uberSTUD to be... so that's really inaccurate to say he gets it only in obvious running situations.

The other side to that coin is that getting most of the work in the 4th quarter, he is running on fresh legs against tired defenses.

He gets in more then.Yeah, he gets more work in the 4th when it is obvious they will run. They're already up by too much, doesn't matter if the defense is more tired, they're running down the clock.

 

[maxwelledison]

I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.

Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TDBrown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TDIf Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.It's a 60/40 split in touches in Addai's favor, and it doesn't look like that's going to change. Brown looks explosive on some plays, but he is still underperforming Addai.

Switz, I know you think Addai is Walter Payton but the fact is he plays in what can only be fairly described as an ideal situation and is consistently average. Further, I don't need stats to tell me what my eyes tell me: the guy is mediocre. Brown brings more burst and more energy and while it is unclear if he is anything special, we do know what Addai is and isn't. Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[switz]

Hey switz do you think Addai is actually a very good running back or just the best of Indy's options?Because he has never shown himself to be much more than an average RB on a very talented team.I am not sure what Brown is yet but I think we have seen pretty much all we are going to see from Addai. It should be enough to be a decent RB2-3 but not much more than that.

I think Addai, when healthy, can be a very good running back. However, I don't think he has the durability to be a full time guy, which I was wrong about when he was drafted. If you look at his rookie year, and the first half of his sophomore year, the kid was very very good. That was before injuries took a toll on him, the OL, and even Manning last year.This year, outside of the JAX game where the Colts running attack was pretty well shut down, Addai has been good, in some games great. The last two games he's looked far better than Brown IMO. Neither one has been given a full load of carries, so it's hard to say what would happen if Addai were (probably injured) or Brown were (who knows, maybe better?)I think Brown was frankly, a bit of a reach by the Colts. I think they knew Addai wasn't a 300 carry RB, and wanted to grab a guy who was similar so he could fit the offense. I don't think Brown is super talented, and that had nothing to do with him going to the Colts and competing with Addai. I felt that way before the draft, and still do.The fact that Brown hasn't been able to outperform Addai says more than I could say. The Colts coaches are going to put the best player on the field. They've never been a team to show loyalty to veterans, they often push them out the door when they're no longer useful. If they thought Brown was better than Addai, they'd play Brown more than Addai.Addai, when healthy, is a top-10 FF RB. Right now in my one league, he's #13 overall RB, and in the other #16 overall RB. Clearly an RB2, while having about 10 touches a game taken by Brown. I'm not sure why I bother arguing with the people who insist he sucks.

 

[TheFanatic]

Touches after 4 games by quarter:

Joseph Addai:

Rush: 48-183/3.8 avg./2TD

Rec: 16-100/ 6.2 avg./1TD

1: 17 carries, 5 catches (22 - 81%)

2: 16 carries, 1 catch (17 - 77%) 6 carries, 1 catch for 7 touches

3: 8 carries, 7 catches (15 - 55%) 13 carries, 3 catches for 16 touches

4: 7 carries, 3 catches (10 - 32%) 12 carries, 7 receptions for 19 touches

Donald Brown:

Rush: 38-132/3.2 avg./2TD

Rec: 5-125/25 avg./0TD

1: 4 carry, 1 catch (5 - 19%) 11 carries, 2 catches for 13 touches

2: 3 carry, 2 catches (5 - 23%) 4 carries, 1 catch for 5 touches

3: 10 carries, 2 catches (12 - 45%) 14 carries, 1 reception for 15 touches

4: 21 carries (21 - 68%) 9 carries, 1 catch for 10 touches

Split up to now:

Addai: 60%

Brown 40%

Where did you get these numbers? Week 1 is correct for Addai but nothing else is close. Where are you getting your numbers?Is anyone else concerned about Addai's YPC the last three games? 5.3, 4.8 and 3.8 in order from week 2 till 4?

 

[switz]

Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Funny how people throw this around, but there's no basis for that claim at all.

 

[switz]

Is anyone else concerned about Addai's YPC the last three games? 5.3, 4.8 and 3.8 in order from week 2 till 4?

I would guess if they were they'd be more so with Brown - 6.5, 2.9, 3.7

 

[switz]

Touches after 4 games by quarter:

Donald Brown:

Rush: 38-132/3.2 avg./2TD

Rec: 5-125/25 avg./0TD

1: 4 carry, 1 catch (5 - 19%) 11 carries, 2 catches for 13 touches

2: 3 carry, 2 catches (5 - 23%) 4 carries, 1 catch for 5 touches

3: 10 carries, 2 catches (12 - 45%) 14 carries, 1 reception for 15 touches

4: 21 carries (21 - 68%) 9 carries, 1 catch for 10 touches

Split up to now:

Addai: 60%

Brown 40%

Where did you get these numbers? Week 1 is correct for Addai but nothing else is close. Where are you getting your numbers?

NFL.com would be my guess - his numbers look pretty close to me.

 

[TheFanatic]

Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Funny how people throw this around, but there's no basis for that claim at all.

Reggie Bush?And weren't you an MJD hater?

 

[One]

Touches after 4 games by quarter:

Joseph Addai:

Rush: 48-183/3.8 avg./2TD

Rec: 16-100/ 6.2 avg./1TD

1: 17 carries, 5 catches (22 - 81%)

2: 16 carries, 1 catch (17 - 77%) 6 carries, 1 catch for 7 touches

3: 8 carries, 7 catches (15 - 55%) 13 carries, 3 catches for 16 touches

4: 7 carries, 3 catches (10 - 32%) 12 carries, 7 receptions for 19 touches

Donald Brown:

Rush: 38-132/3.2 avg./2TD

Rec: 5-125/25 avg./0TD

1: 4 carry, 1 catch (5 - 19%) 11 carries, 2 catches for 13 touches

2: 3 carry, 2 catches (5 - 23%) 4 carries, 1 catch for 5 touches

3: 10 carries, 2 catches (12 - 45%) 14 carries, 1 reception for 15 touches

4: 21 carries (21 - 68%) 9 carries, 1 catch for 10 touches

Split up to now:

Addai: 60%

Brown 40%

Where did you get these numbers? Week 1 is correct for Addai but nothing else is close. Where are you getting your numbers?Is anyone else concerned about Addai's YPC the last three games? 5.3, 4.8 and 3.8 in order from week 2 till 4?

It's by quarter, not week.

 

[Chaka]

Hey switz do you think Addai is actually a very good running back or just the best of Indy's options?Because he has never shown himself to be much more than an average RB on a very talented team.I am not sure what Brown is yet but I think we have seen pretty much all we are going to see from Addai. It should be enough to be a decent RB2-3 but not much more than that.

I think Addai, when healthy, can be a very good running back. However, I don't think he has the durability to be a full time guy, which I was wrong about when he was drafted. If you look at his rookie year, and the first half of his sophomore year, the kid was very very good. That was before injuries took a toll on him, the OL, and even Manning last year.This year, outside of the JAX game where the Colts running attack was pretty well shut down, Addai has been good, in some games great. The last two games he's looked far better than Brown IMO. Neither one has been given a full load of carries, so it's hard to say what would happen if Addai were (probably injured) or Brown were (who knows, maybe better?)I think Brown was frankly, a bit of a reach by the Colts. I think they knew Addai wasn't a 300 carry RB, and wanted to grab a guy who was similar so he could fit the offense. I don't think Brown is super talented, and that had nothing to do with him going to the Colts and competing with Addai. I felt that way before the draft, and still do.The fact that Brown hasn't been able to outperform Addai says more than I could say. The Colts coaches are going to put the best player on the field. They've never been a team to show loyalty to veterans, they often push them out the door when they're no longer useful. If they thought Brown was better than Addai, they'd play Brown more than Addai.Addai, when healthy, is a top-10 FF RB. Right now in my one league, he's #13 overall RB, and in the other #16 overall RB. Clearly an RB2, while having about 10 touches a game taken by Brown. I'm not sure why I bother arguing with the people who insist he sucks.

It's an honest opinion but I must say that at no time this year has Addai been great (96 yards and a score is good not great, Mendenhall's performance was great this week not Addai's).The bottom line is that both Brown and Addai look average up to this point (#14-18 RB).

 

[switz]

I think Addai, when healthy, can be a very good running back. However, I don't think he has the durability to be a full time guy, which I was wrong about when he was drafted. If you look at his rookie year, and the first half of his sophomore year, the kid was very very good. That was before injuries took a toll on him, the OL, and even Manning last year.

This year, outside of the JAX game where the Colts running attack was pretty well shut down, Addai has been good, in some games great. The last two games he's looked far better than Brown IMO. Neither one has been given a full load of carries, so it's hard to say what would happen if Addai were (probably injured) or Brown were (who knows, maybe better?)

I think Brown was frankly, a bit of a reach by the Colts. I think they knew Addai wasn't a 300 carry RB, and wanted to grab a guy who was similar so he could fit the offense. I don't think Brown is super talented, and that had nothing to do with him going to the Colts and competing with Addai. I felt that way before the draft, and still do.

The fact that Brown hasn't been able to outperform Addai says more than I could say. The Colts coaches are going to put the best player on the field. They've never been a team to show loyalty to veterans, they often push them out the door when they're no longer useful. If they thought Brown was better than Addai, they'd play Brown more than Addai.

Addai, when healthy, is a top-10 FF RB. Right now in my one league, he's #13 overall RB, and in the other #16 overall RB. Clearly an RB2, while having about 10 touches a game taken by Brown. I'm not sure why I bother arguing with the people who insist he sucks.

It's an honest opinion but I must say that at no time this year has Addai been great (96 yards and a score is good not great, Mendenhall's performance was great this week not Addai's).The bottom line is that both Brown and Addai look average up to this point (#14-18 RB).

I was looking at it from an NFL perspective, not necessarily an FF perspective. For FF, as I said, he's been an RB2. By nature, an RB2 isn't going to be "great" for FF. But from an NFL perspective, as long as he performs well, he's going to continue to see he majority of touches for the Colts. So in a sense, how he does NFL-wise, has a big impact on how he (and Brown) do FF-wise.But I agree, from an FF point of view, I wouldn't call either of them great this season.

 

[Chaka]

I think Addai, when healthy, can be a very good running back. However, I don't think he has the durability to be a full time guy, which I was wrong about when he was drafted. If you look at his rookie year, and the first half of his sophomore year, the kid was very very good. That was before injuries took a toll on him, the OL, and even Manning last year.

This year, outside of the JAX game where the Colts running attack was pretty well shut down, Addai has been good, in some games great. The last two games he's looked far better than Brown IMO. Neither one has been given a full load of carries, so it's hard to say what would happen if Addai were (probably injured) or Brown were (who knows, maybe better?)

I think Brown was frankly, a bit of a reach by the Colts. I think they knew Addai wasn't a 300 carry RB, and wanted to grab a guy who was similar so he could fit the offense. I don't think Brown is super talented, and that had nothing to do with him going to the Colts and competing with Addai. I felt that way before the draft, and still do.

The fact that Brown hasn't been able to outperform Addai says more than I could say. The Colts coaches are going to put the best player on the field. They've never been a team to show loyalty to veterans, they often push them out the door when they're no longer useful. If they thought Brown was better than Addai, they'd play Brown more than Addai.

Addai, when healthy, is a top-10 FF RB. Right now in my one league, he's #13 overall RB, and in the other #16 overall RB. Clearly an RB2, while having about 10 touches a game taken by Brown. I'm not sure why I bother arguing with the people who insist he sucks.

It's an honest opinion but I must say that at no time this year has Addai been great (96 yards and a score is good not great, Mendenhall's performance was great this week not Addai's).The bottom line is that both Brown and Addai look average up to this point (#14-18 RB).

I was looking at it from an NFL perspective, not necessarily an FF perspective. For FF, as I said, he's been an RB2. By nature, an RB2 isn't going to be "great" for FF. But from an NFL perspective, as long as he performs well, he's going to continue to see he majority of touches for the Colts. So in a sense, how he does NFL-wise, has a big impact on how he (and Brown) do FF-wise.But I agree, from an FF point of view, I wouldn't call either of them great this season.

IMO neither back has been great from any perspective. They are holding their own and occasionally good but the stats you pointed out don't support the notion of greatness from either of them. I think the fact that your posts come off as if you are trying to argue greatness for Addai (even if you may not be doing that intentionally) is hurting your case here and others are jumping all over that.They seem pretty much interchangeable. If one gets hurt the other will be very nice to own even with a low YPC.

 

[maxwelledison]

Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Funny how people throw this around, but there's no basis for that claim at all.

Reggie Bush?And weren't you an MJD hater?

Yes he was. And he took great pleasure in ripping Deangelo.Those are three pretty big whiffs.

 

[switz]

Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Funny how people throw this around, but there's no basis for that claim at all.

Reggie Bush?And weren't you an MJD hater?

Yes he was. And he took great pleasure in ripping Deangelo.Those are three pretty big whiffs.

I was high on Bush, yeah, so were many people. He's been injured a lot, and was not as effective a runner as many hoped. However, when he's payed he's still been an explosive player, just not as a traditional running back.MJD, wasn't a hater, in fact posted many times I wasn't a hater. Just didn't think he was going to beat out Taylor for the starting role, which he didn't.

As for DeAngelo, I was very firm that as long as Foster was there DA wouldn't start. He wasn't a good pass protector and that limited his opportunity. I was absolutely correct. In fact, the year DA left, the team drafted in the first round J Stewart because they felt DA couldn't be the starting RB. And then as he progressed, they came out and said they were surprised by what strides he made in pass protecting and doing the little things needed. The fact that DeAngelo improved his game doesn't mean I was wrong in my view of him at that time, when at that time it was correct. Players improve and decline, which is why you always have to be revising your expectations for players across their career.

However you guys are ignoring all the running backs I was correct about. Of course if you isolate and only look at where someone was wrong, well you can make anyone look bad. Just ingore what you don't want to see, and you can fit anything into what you want to believe.

 

[ExtraPoint]

The Panthers did not draft Stewart because of any supposed inefficeincy of DWill. Fantasy owners might have felt that way. They might have wanted to believe that. The Panthers NEVER felt that way though.

As far as Addai vs Brown, there is so little difference between the two, experience is the only real factor.

 

[cubbie5150]

This thread cracks me up every week. If the Colts 2009 backfield isn't a clear-cut two-man RBBC, what the heck is, then?

No kidding... I own Brown (but not Addai), and as much as I'd like Brown to get more touches, it's beyond clear to me this is a RBBC... It's been effective, so I see no football reason for the Indy staff to change things.

 

[TheFanatic]

Touches after 4 games by quarter:

Joseph Addai:

Rush: 48-183/3.8 avg./2TD

Rec: 16-100/ 6.2 avg./1TD

1: 17 carries, 5 catches (22 - 81%)

2: 16 carries, 1 catch (17 - 77%) 6 carries, 1 catch for 7 touches

3: 8 carries, 7 catches (15 - 55%) 13 carries, 3 catches for 16 touches

4: 7 carries, 3 catches (10 - 32%) 12 carries, 7 receptions for 19 touches

Donald Brown:

Rush: 38-132/3.2 avg./2TD

Rec: 5-125/25 avg./0TD

1: 4 carry, 1 catch (5 - 19%) 11 carries, 2 catches for 13 touches

2: 3 carry, 2 catches (5 - 23%) 4 carries, 1 catch for 5 touches

3: 10 carries, 2 catches (12 - 45%) 14 carries, 1 reception for 15 touches

4: 21 carries (21 - 68%) 9 carries, 1 catch for 10 touches

Split up to now:

Addai: 60%

Brown 40%

Where did you get these numbers? Week 1 is correct for Addai but nothing else is close. Where are you getting your numbers?Is anyone else concerned about Addai's YPC the last three games? 5.3, 4.8 and 3.8 in order from week 2 till 4?

It's by quarter, not week.

Makes much more sense now. Totally missed the by quarter part

 

[TheFanatic]

This thread cracks me up every week. If the Colts 2009 backfield isn't a clear-cut two-man RBBC, what the heck is, then?

No kidding... I own Brown (but not Addai), and as much as I'd like Brown to get more touches, it's beyond clear to me this is a RBBC... It's been effective, so I see no football reason for the Indy staff to change things.

It is a bit comical. The Brown owners, yourself excluded, are all about the final countdown to him taking the job as primary ball carrier and Addai goes off to the bench and then another team when every single thing said this offseason by the FO and coach was they were going with a two back set ala Addai and Rhodes and have since proven that to be fact and not coachspeak in every single game this season. The two back system is great for financial reasons. They can play each back off the other and wind up with two backs who's signing bonuses for each of their next contracts likely a lot less than if they had to pay a single stud back a big bonus. Both are fresh. Lose one to an injury, one can shoulder the load for a few games without missing a beat. Ideal situation...

 

[gonzobill5]

Your use of the rolling laughy smiley doesn't change this, nor does it change the fact that your scouting of RBs in the past few years doesn't exactly give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Funny how people throw this around, but there's no basis for that claim at all.

Reggie Bush?And weren't you an MJD hater?

Yes he was. And he took great pleasure in ripping Deangelo.Those are three pretty big whiffs.

I was high on Bush, yeah, so were many people. He's been injured a lot, and was not as effective a runner as many hoped. However, when he's payed he's still been an explosive player, just not as a traditional running back.MJD, wasn't a hater, in fact posted many times I wasn't a hater. Just didn't think he was going to beat out Taylor for the starting role, which he didn't.

As for DeAngelo, I was very firm that as long as Foster was there DA wouldn't start. He wasn't a good pass protector and that limited his opportunity. I was absolutely correct. In fact, the year DA left, the team drafted in the first round J Stewart because they felt DA couldn't be the starting RB. And then as he progressed, they came out and said they were surprised by what strides he made in pass protecting and doing the little things needed. The fact that DeAngelo improved his game doesn't mean I was wrong in my view of him at that time, when at that time it was correct. Players improve and decline, which is why you always have to be revising your expectations for players across their career.

However you guys are ignoring all the running backs I was correct about. Of course if you isolate and only look at where someone was wrong, well you can make anyone look bad. Just ingore what you don't want to see, and you can fit anything into what you want to believe.

you shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. when you put your neck out there you'll be right sometimes and wrong sometimes. how are you going to say he was wrong about deangelo - so was 99% of the fantasy football community. people need to face facts that switz has been dead on about Addai all offseason. Got him as my RB3/4 on most teams and i'm very happy with that.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Joseph Addai = below average nfl runningback...

Easily one of the most amusing myths I see among fantasy circles that has been said so many times people take it as gospel... Joseph Addai is an above average runningback when healthy, period.

 

[az_prof]

The split has been 60% Addai and 40% Brown but I would be surprised it if isn't 50/50 very soon. It's hard to take Switz seriously when he says things like Brown being a reach and not being a very good back and that the Colts just took him as a complementary back not because they say a need to improve the run game with Addai. Teams don't spend a first round pick on a guy that they don't think has the ability to start and to improve their team. Now, they could have been wrong, but a smart team like IND doesn't waste a first round pick in that way. Addai is doing better this year with some competition but I find it hard to believe he wont' get dinged up and return to his 3.5 ypc performance. Brown as a rookie who is learning hsi trade is already at least as good as Addai (you admit this yourself) so why won't he continue to improve as he learns the nuances of that offense? And when that happens, he will be getting 60 to 60% of the touches. I don't think Addai will disappear because it makes sense to have two different backs for many reasons, but I do see the share of carries shifing.

 

[Teef]

The split has been 60% Addai and 40% Brown but I would be surprised it if isn't 50/50 very soon. It's hard to take Switz seriously when he says things like Brown being a reach and not being a very good back and that the Colts just took him as a complementary back not because they say a need to improve the run game with Addai. Teams don't spend a first round pick on a guy that they don't think has the ability to start and to improve their team. Now, they could have been wrong, but a smart team like IND doesn't waste a first round pick in that way. Addai is doing better this year with some competition but I find it hard to believe he wont' get dinged up and return to his 3.5 ypc performance. Brown as a rookie who is learning hsi trade is already at least as good as Addai (you admit this yourself) so why won't he continue to improve as he learns the nuances of that offense? And when that happens, he will be getting 60 to 60% of the touches. I don't think Addai will disappear because it makes sense to have two different backs for many reasons, but I do see the share of carries shifing.

If you say it enough times, it will come true.

 

[Chaka]

Bill Polian doesn't care about your fantasy team.

 

[One]

I drafted Addai and Brown thinking one would pan out, but the splits been a lot closer than I expected. Still, Addai has put up pretty good numbers in PPR leagues and made a solid #2 back in my 14 team leagues.

In one league I have him, he's outscored my #1 pick, Chris Johnson every week besides CJ's HUGE week.

pts by week...

CJ: 10,58,15,17

Addai: 22,6,18,25

Brown: 9,12,15,13

Bottom line, Indy is a scoring machine and these 2 backs are more than useful in PPR's.

I haven't seen many weekly cheat sheets give him respect, but Joseph Addai's currently the #12 RB in my PPR leagues and only 4.5 pts from being #8. ...and I just can't see things changing in Indy without injury.

Not a bad committee.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Sent Addai and Devery Henderson (6th WR, I don't use) for DeAngelo Williams and Joey Galloway (then dropped) for QB depth.

 

[One]

Sent Addai and Devery Henderson (6th WR, I don't use) for DeAngelo Williams and Joey Galloway (then dropped) for QB depth.

whoa.

 

[bulger2holt]

I have been using Brown as a PPR flex and have been happy with him. This week I am benching him for Chester b/c of Chester's matchup though.

 

[One]

Touches after 5 games by quarter:

Joseph Addai:

Rush: 62-210/3.4 avg./3TD

Rec: 26-153/ 5.9 avg./1TD

1: 21 carries, 7 catches (28 - 82%)

2: 21 carries, 7 catch (28 - 82%)

3: 9 carries, 8 catches (17 - 51%)

4: 11 carries, 4 catches (15 - 39%)

Donald Brown:

Rush: 44-154/3.5 avg./2TD

Rec: 7-138/19.7 avg./0TD

1: 5 carry, 1 catch (6 - 18%)

2: 4 carry, 2 catches (6 - 18%)

3: 12 carries, 4 catches (16 - 49%)

4: 23 carries (23 - 61%)

Split up to now:

Addai: 63%

Brown 37%

 

[One]

Addai in PPR leagues...

- Ranked 7th in RB pts for my PPR league. (behind AD, Brown, CJ, MJD, Rice & Benson)

- FBG ranking: 24th (23rd last week)

 

[switz]

Addai in PPR leagues...- Ranked 7th in RB pts for my PPR league. (behind AD, Brown, CJ, MJD, Rice & Benson) - FBG ranking: 24th (23rd last week)

Addai is an Rb2/3, depending on who the Colts are playing. They don't always run the ball much, so it's easy for him to slip into RB3 territory. He's still the most valuable Colts RB this season.

 

[2ksports]

I hate how Addai dances around trying to be patient, then getting caught by a defensive end from behind when there is a huge hole right in front of him that he should be exploding through.

I also hate how he had the TD on the 4 yard off-tackle run, then took it inside right into a linebacker to fall down at the 1.

This guy sucks at running. IMO, he's only worth RB2 in PPR leagues. The only thing giving him value right now is Peyton Manning's frequent redzone trips, but I'm a bit afraid of dud games from a guy who can't get it done on the ground.

 

[One]

I hate how Addai dances around trying to be patient, then getting caught by a defensive end from behind when there is a huge hole right in front of him that he should be exploding through.I also hate how he had the TD on the 4 yard off-tackle run, then took it inside right into a linebacker to fall down at the 1.This guy sucks at running. IMO, he's only worth RB2 in PPR leagues. The only thing giving him value right now is Peyton Manning's frequent redzone trips, but I'm a bit afraid of dud games from a guy who can't get it done on the ground.

I don't like Addai either, but up to this point he gets it done.

 

[epiG3]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai.

The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

 

[switz]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

 

[djcolts]

Addai is playing really well - better than the recent stats even indicate. I still want Brown to play some to give a good change of pace - but Addai is the starter and has earned it.

 

[Chaka]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

Well, he's no Felix Jones...

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Joseph Addai(notes) has become one of my favorite fantasy players of the season. Is he having a great year for the Colts? Heck no. But in our make-believe game, in our numbers racket, he's absolute money and there's great lesson in here about environment, summer buzz and how NFL clubs make (and delay) their decisions.

The surface numbers don't look like much with Addai. He's averaging 3.5 yards a carry and he doesn't have a run longer than 14 yards all year. His best rushing game of the year came two weeks back at St. Louis (20 carries, 64 yards); Canton won't be calling for that tape. Donald Brown(notes) has looked far more explosive (4.6 YPC) when he's been given a chance to play.

So why is Addai a Top 12 running back in most standard formats and a Top 10 guy in PPR groups? Because the Colts keep giving him volume, the Colts keep using him around the scoring stripe (seven scores, plus a TD pass), and the Colts keep throwing him the ball (34 receptions on 41 targets).

The bottom line is that the Colts trust Addai in key spots (passing downs, scoring position), and even as they're going to hand the bulk of the responsibility to Brown some day, these changeovers don't always happen overnight. Addai was a heck of a fantasy value this summer if you were willing to swim against the current and try an unsexy option. The same angle came through in New York (with Thomas Jones(notes)) and to a lesser extent in Arizona (with Tim Hightower(notes), a sneaky flex-type guy you probably got for nothing).

Yes, Brown's injuries have played significantly into this Addai story. Yes, Brown looks far more explosive as a runner. Yes, Brown's going to be the better fantasy player very soon, maybe in 2010, maybe later this year. But here's another example of how you can win by asking "why not?" when everyone else is asking "why bother?"

 

[djcolts]

Brown is better if the OL gives a huge hole and Brown can find it and run through it fast. However, right now - Addai is the better receiver, the better blocker, and the better short-yardage back. Addai may play an "ugly" style of football, but it has been quite effective, especially in the last 2 weeks. Brown is not going to take the starting job this season without an injury to Addai.

 

[Moniker]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I know you love the guy, Switz, but Addai's problem is that he's nothing special. Brown will take over at some point -- although with the injury it's looking more like next year.Also, I noticed that you didn't bump this thread in either of Addai's last two games without Brown when he went 20-64 (3.2 YPC) with 67 total yards and 20-62 (3.1 YPC) with 66 total yards...

 

[switz]

I know you love the guy, Switz, but Addai's problem is that he's nothing special. Brown will take over at some point -- although with the injury it's looking more like next year.

Also, I noticed that you didn't bump this thread in either of Addai's last two games without Brown when he went 20-64 (3.2 YPC) with 67 total yards and 20-62 (3.1 YPC) with 66 total yards...

You can argue until you're blue in the face that Addai isn't special, but he doesn't need to be special, just better than Brown. Which he is right now in multiple aspects of the game. Brown may improve as a receiver, blocker, short yardage runner, running in traffic at all, etc. but until then, Addai will start, and Brown will be the COP (just like Polian said)As far as not bumping it the past couple weeks... I was disappointed in his game against St. Louis (which BTW Brown played in), but he had a pretty good game against SanFran, considering they are one of the best rush defenses in the league. And your question could be turned around, where were the Addai doubters bumping this thread?

As for Brown, he doesn't seem to do much when he's used as more than a COP... his only good games have been where he has received less than 5 carries, and has been put in specific places to take advantage of his speed. When he's been called on to run inside, or run in obvious running situations he's been pretty average (3.25 YPC).

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I think we'll see RBBC for next season as well, and then it will depend on whether they resign Addai or not. They may let him walk like they did Faulk and Edge. But it wouldn't surprise me if they resign him at all.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

 

[kegtron]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

Having watched a lot of him this year, he is nothing more than a below average NFL RB. His YPC of 3.44 this season says it all. No skill position player has benefited more in Indy because of Peyton Manning than Joseph Addai.

 

[kegtron]

I think its time to sell high. I dont think his value will ever be any higher than it is now.

 

[One]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai.

The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

I agree with some of this, but to think he'll "take over the starting gig" by the end of the year without injury is laughable. INDY goes right back to RBBC when he comes back. If you wanna trade high, better find somebody who doesn't know that.

...and I own both

 

[mjr]

The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet.

That's all I need.

 

[gregjcross]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

"Touched by the hand of god?" You watching different games? Or refering to how "bad" Addai was last year? Seems you are so loaded for D.Brown to succeed that you are willing to entirely ignore the cold reality even when it stares right at you? D. Brown is a nice player with power, speed and an edge to him. But like a lot of rookies, he has not arrived and is not ready to carry the load in the NFL for a playoff team. The sooner that you accept that fact, the more reasonable you will sound. It doesn't matter that he is great in spurts and does so many things well, ";looking the part" in tiny segments. Joseph Addai isn't the push over that many suspected he is. He is not going to be replaced by very many rookies, and in this case, not by Brown. Addai is the establishment, like a lot of veteran players in the league. Brown is a good back, and he will get his in the future, but we are not playing for the future in FF.

 

[djcolts]

The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet.

That's all I need.

Addai is playing better than his YPC stats this season - and will continue to get the good majority of the playing time. His blocking, receiving and short-yardage skills this season are important to what the Colts do.