Addai after game one (1 Viewer)

[smackdaddies]

For his ADP, Addai has been a great player

Snagging him in the 6th (12 team ppr) has made up for the fact I took LT at 1.07

 

[FantasyTrader]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

"Touched by the hand of god?" You watching different games? Or refering to how "bad" Addai was last year? Seems you are so loaded for D.Brown to succeed that you are willing to entirely ignore the cold reality even when it stares right at you? D. Brown is a nice player with power, speed and an edge to him. But like a lot of rookies, he has not arrived and is not ready to carry the load in the NFL for a playoff team. The sooner that you accept that fact, the more reasonable you will sound. It doesn't matter that he is great in spurts and does so many things well, ";looking the part" in tiny segments. Joseph Addai isn't the push over that many suspected he is. He is not going to be replaced by very many rookies, and in this case, not by Brown. Addai is the establishment, like a lot of veteran players in the league. Brown is a good back, and he will get his in the future, but we are not playing for the future in FF.

No, I don't have a dog in this. I don't own Addai or Donald Brown in a single league. And I'm not referring to how bad Addai was last year. I GOTTA be watching different games than you. Your reply above does a whole lot of squirming. It's like you know what I'm saying is true but... Your statement, "Addai is the establishment" is VERY true. Hence my "touched by the finger of god" statement. The only reason Addai is still the starter is because Jim Caldwell is having a great deal of success in the W/L column. I suspect the guy doesn't have much of a backbone and is in over his head as a HC. So there's really no motivation for him to deviate from the status quo. But to say, Addai is no pushover? A RB that trails 82 other RB/FB in the league in ypc. A RB who's longest run trails 114 other NFL players. Versus defenses that are playing Peyton Manning on virtually every down and distance? Man that's twisting it so bad you could throw on a side of cheese and sell it at the fairgrounds. In 29 other NFL offenses (he perhaps unseats Julius Jones and Jamal Lewis) Addai is a backup.

 

[switz]

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5).

Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

Donald Brown hasn't really outpaced him when you take into consideration the different roles they play. When they asked Brown to shoulder the larger role he struggled. People get too enamored with "big play" ability. Brown isn't very good unless he gets the ball in space. He hasn't been able to do any of the little things well. Yes he can be explosive, but unless you can do all the little things, one or two big plays is all you're going to be given an opportunity to do in the NFL. Right now Brown is no better than a COP RB, who probably has less a role when he returns than when he got hurt.You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

At least you admit there are at least 80 or 90 worse RBs in the league.

 

[gregjcross]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai. The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

"Touched by the hand of god?" You watching different games? Or refering to how "bad" Addai was last year? Seems you are so loaded for D.Brown to succeed that you are willing to entirely ignore the cold reality even when it stares right at you? D. Brown is a nice player with power, speed and an edge to him. But like a lot of rookies, he has not arrived and is not ready to carry the load in the NFL for a playoff team. The sooner that you accept that fact, the more reasonable you will sound. It doesn't matter that he is great in spurts and does so many things well, ";looking the part" in tiny segments. Joseph Addai isn't the push over that many suspected he is. He is not going to be replaced by very many rookies, and in this case, not by Brown. Addai is the establishment, like a lot of veteran players in the league. Brown is a good back, and he will get his in the future, but we are not playing for the future in FF.

No, I don't have a dog in this. I don't own Addai or Donald Brown in a single league. And I'm not referring to how bad Addai was last year. I GOTTA be watching different games than you. Your reply above does a whole lot of squirming. It's like you know what I'm saying is true but... Your statement, "Addai is the establishment" is VERY true. Hence my "touched by the finger of god" statement. The only reason Addai is still the starter is because Jim Caldwell is having a great deal of success in the W/L column. I suspect the guy doesn't have much of a backbone and is in over his head as a HC. So there's really no motivation for him to deviate from the status quo. But to say, Addai is no pushover? A RB that trails 82 other RB/FB in the league in ypc. A RB who's longest run trails 114 other NFL players. Versus defenses that are playing Peyton Manning on virtually every down and distance? Man that's twisting it so bad you could throw on a side of cheese and sell it at the fairgrounds. In 29 other NFL offenses (he perhaps unseats Julius Jones and Jamal Lewis) Addai is a backup.

HC Jim Caldwell is "in over his head" at 8-0? Puzzling statement. They are winning, Addai is doing what they pay him to do, they are just fine. If Donald Brown got the snaps he would have a similar average, the offense doesn't have a fullback and the TEs are pass catchers and not blockers. Put Addai in the 49ers or NYG offense, his average would be better.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I agree with some of this, but to think he'll "take over the starting gig" by the end of the year without injury is laughable. INDY goes right back to RBBC when he comes back. If you wanna trade high, better find somebody who doesn't know that....and I own both

And I'll admit, you're probably right. I don't honestly think Donald Brown overtakes Addai, I'm just arguing why I believe he should. So long as Indy remains getting what they've always got (wins), there's no motivation to stop doing what they've always done (Addai). I am 100% certain Indy wouldn't have the NFL's 29th ranked running game with a healthy Donald Brown getting 80% of the carries. But they're undefeated with Addai in the backfield, so you can't argue with the bottom line.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Some of these responses also highlight a bit of pet peeve of mine. Donald Brown not "doing the little things" that Addai does. That's a convenient argument that I see tossed out there all the time when we discuss an incumbent vs. a rookie. What are these "little things" and are you sure Addai is doing them better, or are you assuming he is because he's the veteran?

I assume what we're talking about here is pass protection (being in the right place to pick up a robber when he comes free), blitz recognition, adapting to the audible, route running (spacing in the flat and on screens), patience in traffic, etc. Is there evidence or reports out there that Addai has outshined Brown in these regards?

If not, it means nothing to me and we need to stop throwing it out there as though it must be true.

 

[FantasyTrader]

You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

Highlighting individual plays where Addai had success is irrelivant. There's nothing to suggest Brown wouldn't have had the same success. That's the only way we can even make a case for Addai is by saying "...but look here. Look what he did on that play." Because when you look at the totality of their season's from every angle other than health - Brown owns him.

 

[FantasyTrader]

At least you admit there are at least 80 or 90 worse RBs in the league.

Over course there are Switz. There's 251 RB's and FB's in the league. Surely 80 or 90 are worse than Addai.

 

[switz]

Some of these responses also highlight a bit of pet peeve of mine. Donald Brown not "doing the little things" that Addai does. That's a convenient argument that I see tossed out there all the time when we discuss an incumbent vs. a rookie. What are these "little things" and are you sure Addai is doing them better, or are you assuming he is because he's the veteran?

I assume what we're talking about here is pass protection (being in the right place to pick up a robber when he comes free), blitz recognition, adapting to the audible, route running (spacing in the flat and on screens), patience in traffic, etc. Is there evidence or reports out there that Addai has outshined Brown in these regards?

If not, it means nothing to me and we need to stop throwing it out there as though it must be true.

When I say it, I'm going by quotes from Manning and Polian, which have either been posted in this thread or other Addai threads. Polian has said that Addai understands the offense better (to be expected given his time with the team), he is a better short yardage runner, and one of the best blockers in the NFL. Manning has said that he prefers Addai in the offense because he's a far better receiver than Brown.Statistics bear out that Brown is not a very good short yardage runner, he's gained 1 yard total on 4 third down carries, and lost 4 yards on his only 4th down carry. On 1st and 2nd and short, he's averaging 2.0YPC. He does most of his damage in pass situations, 1st or 2nd down with 11+ yards to go.

Addai on the other hand is averaging 3.7 YPC on 3rd and short, on 13 carries. Addai hasn't received a single carry on 1st or 2nd and 11+, the two situations which have boosted Brown's YPC.

And if you watch the games, you can see Brown has been played in the most favorable run situations, where Addai is largely called on to do the hard work.

 

[switz]

You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

Highlighting individual plays where Addai had success is irrelivant. There's nothing to suggest Brown wouldn't have had the same success. That's the only way we can even make a case for Addai is by saying "...but look here. Look what he did on that play." Because when you look at the totality of their season's from every angle other than health - Brown owns him.

That comment was in response to you saying "he does nothing on his own"... which clearly, on those plays he did...

 

[switz]

At least you admit there are at least 80 or 90 worse RBs in the league.

Over course there are Switz. There's 251 RB's and FB's in the league. Surely 80 or 90 are worse than Addai.

Ah, but you didn't say FBs, you only said RBs of which there are 131 in the league (I believe including practice squad players and Larry Johnson). And if you seriously believe Addai is the 51st best RB in the league, despite his 1st round draft position, and 4.8YPC over his first 22 games ... well then, there's really no point in arguing with you.

 

[Teef]

Jeebus, who spiked the Donald Brown Kool-Aid this season?

 

[FantasyTrader]

At least you admit there are at least 80 or 90 worse RBs in the league.

Over course there are Switz. There's 251 RB's and FB's in the league. Surely 80 or 90 are worse than Addai.

Ah, but you didn't say FBs, you only said RBs of which there are 131 in the league (I believe including practice squad players and Larry Johnson). And if you seriously believe Addai is the 51st best RB in the league, despite his 1st round draft position, and 4.8YPC over his first 22 games ... well then, there's really no point in arguing with you.

Agreed. I wasn't expecting to change your mind. My being right doesn't rest on your feelings about it, thankfully. You're carving out whatever situational stats suit your argument again. What Brown did on one carry in this situation or four carries in that situation. Fine. Addai is the FAR better RB on 1st or 2nd and less than 11 and 3rd and short on the 3rd Sunday of every month when your wife took the van shopping.

 

[switz]

At least you admit there are at least 80 or 90 worse RBs in the league.

Over course there are Switz. There's 251 RB's and FB's in the league. Surely 80 or 90 are worse than Addai.

Ah, but you didn't say FBs, you only said RBs of which there are 131 in the league (I believe including practice squad players and Larry Johnson). And if you seriously believe Addai is the 51st best RB in the league, despite his 1st round draft position, and 4.8YPC over his first 22 games ... well then, there's really no point in arguing with you.

Agreed. I wasn't expecting to change your mind. My being right doesn't rest on your feelings about it, thankfully. You're carving out whatever situational stats suit your argument again. What Brown did on one carry in this situation or four carries in that situation. Fine. Addai is the FAR better RB on 1st or 2nd and less than 11 and 3rd and short on the 3rd Sunday of every month when your wife took the van shopping.

But in the NFL situations matter... unless you can run well in every situation, you're not going to be the fulltime RB. Brown simply doesn't run well outside of favorable running situations. Or the two RBs, when you talk about one doing stuff "on his own" Brown is the one who can't make something out of nothing. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out... Addai seems to be hitting his stride and getting some confidence back. If he returns to '06, early '07 form, there's no way Brown takes the job from him.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Now THAT we agree on. If Addai reverts to '06 form, Brown will be lucky to get a handful of touches.

 

[One]

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5).

Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

Bill Polian on Addai today:

"Joseph Addai did a phenomenal job running the football – just a great job. He ran downhill. He ran hard. He finished every run. He almost created a miracle by gaining 13 yards in the four-minute situation when we were looking at 3rd-and-19. We would have converted it on that run alone had it not been for the penalty. He was terrific, and he blocked tremendously all day as well.

...

Joseph Addai and (quarterback) Peyton (Manning) and the receivers and what a great job they did. We did a heck of a job against a team that was determined to come in and beat us. We hung in and got the job done in great fashion, and I'm very proud of all of our guys."

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Bill Polian on Brown today:

"We expect that (running back) Donald (Brown) will be back in the not-to-distant future."

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[switz]

running game

A few weeks ago, the Colts’ running woes were directly attributable to Addai, who spent more time running toward the sidelines than up the field and was just not executing properly. But Addai is playing better now. His game-winning 2-yard touchdown run up the middle was terrific.

“A great run by Joe,” right tackle Ryan Diem said. “He made a few guys miss, maybe even dragged one into the end zone with him.”

... but he can't do anything on his own...Note about the quote re: Brown, that was in reference to them adding Larry Johnson. Polian said no, because they expect Brown back sometime. No reason to add LJ.

 

[gonzobill5]

I've been on board with Addai all offseason and all through the year. Its not that I think he's anything special, I just think he has a great situation and he presented tremendous value after disappointing people (who thought they were getting Edgerrin James I guess) the last few years.

That said, I've jumped ship. Traded him for Thomas Jones in one league, and packaged him and Maclin for Cedric Benson in another. I don't necessarily think that Donald Brown is on the verge of taking over, but you have to believe that the Colts will be looking at making that running game more explosive as the playoffs creep closer.

I indicated earlier that Addai has been more valuable on a fantasy team than on an NFL team - I take that back. Looking through game logs, the guy has been $$ on 3rd and 4th down.

 

[FantasyTrader]

running game

A few weeks ago, the Colts’ running woes were directly attributable to Addai, who spent more time running toward the sidelines than up the field and was just not executing properly. But Addai is playing better now. His game-winning 2-yard touchdown run up the middle was terrific.

“A great run by Joe,” right tackle Ryan Diem said. “He made a few guys miss, maybe even dragged one into the end zone with him.”

... but he can't do anything on his own...Note about the quote re: Brown, that was in reference to them adding Larry Johnson. Polian said no, because they expect Brown back sometime. No reason to add LJ.

Again...perspective. We're talking about a 2 yard touchdown run as though he carried every defender on his back across the goal line. LOL. Regardless, I don't want to microcosm this into something about that run, because that's the debate Addai backers want to have. Let's pan the camera back out and look at Brown and Addai's total bodies of work this year when healthy. Or not. Cause that's where comparing the two becomes laughable and switz reverts to dissecting Brown having a -4 yard per carry average on his one 4th down rushing attempt.

 

[switz]

running game

A few weeks ago, the Colts’ running woes were directly attributable to Addai, who spent more time running toward the sidelines than up the field and was just not executing properly. But Addai is playing better now. His game-winning 2-yard touchdown run up the middle was terrific.

“A great run by Joe,” right tackle Ryan Diem said. “He made a few guys miss, maybe even dragged one into the end zone with him.”

... but he can't do anything on his own...Note about the quote re: Brown, that was in reference to them adding Larry Johnson. Polian said no, because they expect Brown back sometime. No reason to add LJ.

Again...perspective. We're talking about a 2 yard touchdown run as though he carried every defender on his back across the goal line. LOL. Regardless, I don't want to microcosm this into something about that run, because that's the debate Addai backers want to have. Let's pan the camera back out and look at Brown and Addai's total bodies of work this year when healthy. Or not. Cause that's where comparing the two becomes laughable and switz reverts to dissecting Brown having a -4 yard per carry average on his one 4th down rushing attempt.

Actually, again the point about that run as well as the other play is it simply proves what you stated as wrong.In regard to the whole body of work... Addai has had more 10 yard+ runs than Brown. Addai has more TDs than Brown per touch. Addai has a higher YPC in most situations than Brown. Addai has more receptions than Brown. Addai is healthier than Brown. Addai has fewer runs of no gain or negative yardage, despite having more carries.

Whole body of work easily goes in Addai's direction.

You're basing your entire opinion of Brown off 1 or 2 plays, NOT his entire body of work.

 

[JAA]

profootball-reference.com

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[JAA]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai.

The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

Tim Hightower

 

[JAA]

The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet.

That's all I need.

Addai is playing better than his YPC stats this season - and will continue to get the good majority of the playing time. His blocking, receiving and short-yardage skills this season are important to what the Colts do.

AgreedIts not like Indy is trying to run the ball 50 times a game either

 

[JAA]

You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

Highlighting individual plays where Addai had success is irrelivant. There's nothing to suggest Brown wouldn't have had the same success. That's the only way we can even make a case for Addai is by saying "...but look here. Look what he did on that play." Because when you look at the totality of their season's from every angle other than health - Brown owns him.

Not true. The coaching staff not putting Brown in those situations tells the entire story. There is a reason the coaching staff has 100% faith in Addai. It does has everything to do with the stats column.

 

[FantasyTrader]

You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

Highlighting individual plays where Addai had success is irrelivant. There's nothing to suggest Brown wouldn't have had the same success. That's the only way we can even make a case for Addai is by saying "...but look here. Look what he did on that play." Because when you look at the totality of their season's from every angle other than health - Brown owns him.

Not true. The coaching staff not putting Brown in those situations tells the entire story. There is a reason the coaching staff has 100% faith in Addai. It does has everything to do with the stats column.

Nope. You're wrong. There was a completely valid reason the coaching staff didn't allow Ray Rice on the field last year too. And as we can all see, they were wrong for doing so. The coaching staff having 100% faith in Addai has 100% nothing to do with whether or not Brown is the better RB.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Addai is a good back. He doesn't square up to the hole like Brown does.. which leaves him exposed. He had a nice game against the Titans, but was knocked unconscious briefly. His hand was banged up before the game, in short I question his ability to stay healthy. Right now he knows the offense better than Brown, and he can pick up the blitz. The talent difference between the two is significant, imo. Brown has better vision, will absorb less punishment, and will make people miss more. Addai has more experience and bit more raw speed. The talent edge goes to Brown and the experience edge belongs to Addai.

The split will be inverted by years end, imo. It will likely be due to Addai missing some time.

Well, now that Brown is the one missing games, and Addai just put up 112 yards, 4.5YPC, and 2 TDs... how many think Brown is going to come back and take over the starting gig at any point this season?ETA - had the YPC at 4.2, not the 4.5 it was

I do. The only place Addai is fine is on the fantasy stat sheet. Which, don't get me wrong...is great for his owners for the time being. But Donald Brown outpaced him in every facet of the game when healthy. He's averaging 3.4 yards a carry, but an even more damning stat than that is his longest run of 14 yards. 114 NFL players have a longer run this year. Christ, I can pace that off in my dining room and living room! Even a completely SHOT and disgruntled Larry Johnson, behind one of the worst offensive lines in football had a carry longer than 14 yards between tweets. He creates absolutely ZILCH on his own. He's a mere bystander of what Peyton and the passing game feel like leaving him (which, in the vast majority of cases, is someone happening to get tackled inside of the opponent's 5). Addai must be touched by the finger of God because I can't recall a worse RB whose circumstances have unfolded to leave him relavent for so long. If his 116 carries could be recreated in a vacuum - I swear I believe this in my heart - no less than 80 or 90 NFL RB's would do worse than Addai. That he is a top 10 fantasy back, is the 8th wonder of the world.

Tim Hightower

Well played. I can't argue that.

 

[FantasyTrader]

running game

A few weeks ago, the Colts’ running woes were directly attributable to Addai, who spent more time running toward the sidelines than up the field and was just not executing properly. But Addai is playing better now. His game-winning 2-yard touchdown run up the middle was terrific.

“A great run by Joe,” right tackle Ryan Diem said. “He made a few guys miss, maybe even dragged one into the end zone with him.”

... but he can't do anything on his own...Note about the quote re: Brown, that was in reference to them adding Larry Johnson. Polian said no, because they expect Brown back sometime. No reason to add LJ.

Again...perspective. We're talking about a 2 yard touchdown run as though he carried every defender on his back across the goal line. LOL. Regardless, I don't want to microcosm this into something about that run, because that's the debate Addai backers want to have. Let's pan the camera back out and look at Brown and Addai's total bodies of work this year when healthy. Or not. Cause that's where comparing the two becomes laughable and switz reverts to dissecting Brown having a -4 yard per carry average on his one 4th down rushing attempt.

Actually, again the point about that run as well as the other play is it simply proves what you stated as wrong.In regard to the whole body of work... Addai has had more 10 yard+ runs than Brown. Addai has more TDs than Brown per touch. Addai has a higher YPC in most situations than Brown. Addai has more receptions than Brown. Addai is healthier than Brown. Addai has fewer runs of no gain or negative yardage, despite having more carries.

Whole body of work easily goes in Addai's direction.

You're basing your entire opinion of Brown off 1 or 2 plays, NOT his entire body of work.

switz, Addai BETTER have more 10+ runs than Brown! He has 70 more carries. I don't care about most situations. I care about the overall situation. Regardless, we're on a bit of a merry-go-round now. We'll see how it plays out for Addai and Brown the rest of their careers.

 

[JAA]

You evidently didn't watch ether of Addai's TD runs this week, where he broke multiple tackles on each to score.

Highlighting individual plays where Addai had success is irrelivant. There's nothing to suggest Brown wouldn't have had the same success. That's the only way we can even make a case for Addai is by saying "...but look here. Look what he did on that play." Because when you look at the totality of their season's from every angle other than health - Brown owns him.

Not true. The coaching staff not putting Brown in those situations tells the entire story. There is a reason the coaching staff has 100% faith in Addai. It does has everything to do with the stats column.

Nope. You're wrong. There was a completely valid reason the coaching staff didn't allow Ray Rice on the field last year too. And as we can all see, they were wrong for doing so. The coaching staff having 100% faith in Addai has 100% nothing to do with whether or not Brown is the better RB.

I dont think you understood my point

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Fair warning: this is the week Addai breaks down. With his Osteogenesis Imperfecta, he can't possibly stay healthy for ten straight. Spotlight game, high-intensity defense -- I can see it like it already happened.

 

[switz]

Fair warning: this is the week Addai breaks down. With his Osteogenesis Imperfecta, he can't possibly stay healthy for ten straight. Spotlight game, high-intensity defense -- I can see it like it already happened.

Funny, totally possible, but interestingly, here are Addai's career game logs against NE:year | rush | rec2008: 17-32-0 2-10-0 (He was injured the week prior versus BAL)2007: 26-112-0 5-114-12006: 18-43-1 0-0-0So there are three games to look at. The first was as a rookie, splitting time. The second as the fulltime starter. The third playing injured.Hmmm,....ETA - wouldn't surprise me at all, especially with Brown back, to see the Colts run the ball a lot

 

[switz]

Fair warning: this is the week Addai breaks down. With his Osteogenesis Imperfecta, he can't possibly stay healthy for ten straight. Spotlight game, high-intensity defense -- I can see it like it already happened.

ETA - wouldn't surprise me at all, especially with Brown back, to see the Colts run the ball a lot

Well Bermuda, you were almost right, he did sprain a finger, and missed some time while they taped it up. But for FF purposes I'll take 67 yards and 2 TDs any day, though it was a little frustrating seeing him go down at the one at the end, then get stuffed at the one on the next play. Though killing the clock did enable the Colts to win. Another TD would have been nice though.But don't feel too bad, I was wrong as well, since they only ran 18 times, and I expected twice as many carries to be doled out.So is Donald Brown even more injury prone than Addai?

 

[One]

Polian on Addai:

Polian also said Addai – often maligned by media and fans – in the last two weeks “has in my opinion had his two best games in a long, long time.” Addai threw a touchdown pass two weeks ago in a victory over San Francisco, ran for a touchdown and caught one last week and ran for another and caught another against New England.“It's all Joseph,” Polian said. “There's not a lot of running room there. We know we don't have an offensive line where everybody is designed to be 325 pounds and knock the opposing team off the football. That's not what we do. When there has been room, he has made big plays and when there hasn't been room, he has put those pads down and gained four yards and five carries. It has been fine.“If we run this way for the rest of the season, we're going to be perfectly OK.”

Polian on Brown:

“He's fine. He came out of the game with a bit of a sore back. No problem with it. The shoulder was bothering him just a bit, but not enough to hinder him. He did recognition mistakes on a couple of blitzes and he had the penalty, which really wasn't his fault. Gene Huey, our running backs coach, decided to give him a blow and put [Chad] Simpson into the game. He had the hot hand. He ran exceptionally well. Gene just left him in there until it was [running back] Joseph [Addai's] turn to come on back and it was a good decision.”

 

[nyy45]

Loved Addai so far this season, especially because of his value and where I drafted him. That being said, I just packaged him and James Jones for Jay Cutler and Marion Barber. After Orton's injury I was looking to make a move.

Here's the deal, Addai is nice, but its time to sell high on him. The Colts are 9-0 and come fantasy football playoff time, Addai's numbers won't keep pace. The Colts are notorious for resting players late in the season when they are cruising to the playoffs. By then it could be the Donald Brown run out the clock show. Of course this whole statement is voided if the Colts somehow remain unbeaten and are targeting an undefeated season. I used Addai's underrated value to this point in the season and dealing him because of his high value. Buy low sell high.

This is just the way I am looking at it and seems to make sense in my head..thoughts?

 

[djcolts]

Loved Addai so far this season, especially because of his value and where I drafted him. That being said, I just packaged him and James Jones for Jay Cutler and Marion Barber. After Orton's injury I was looking to make a move.Here's the deal, Addai is nice, but its time to sell high on him. The Colts are 9-0 and come fantasy football playoff time, Addai's numbers won't keep pace. The Colts are notorious for resting players late in the season when they are cruising to the playoffs. By then it could be the Donald Brown run out the clock show. Of course this whole statement is voided if the Colts somehow remain unbeaten and are targeting an undefeated season. I used Addai's underrated value to this point in the season and dealing him because of his high value. Buy low sell high.This is just the way I am looking at it and seems to make sense in my head..thoughts?

The Colts will likely lose one of the next 3 games (@BAL, @HOU, TEN) - and Cincy has 3 straight games against bottom 5 opponents (@OAK, CLE, DET). Assume for arguments sakes that we then get to Indy at 11-1, Cincy at 10-2 after Week 13 ends. Then you are betting that Cincy loses at Minnesota and at San Diego to put them at 10-4, and the Colts keep rolling to 13-1 (DEN, @JAC). Only in this semi-reasonable scenario would HFA be wrapped up before Week 16 starts (assuming SD doesn't go on a complete tear of a winning streak).

 

[switz]

Buy low sell high.This is just the way I am looking at it and seems to make sense in my head..thoughts?

Sounds like a nice move. Not too high on your trade, but the thinking behind it was sound. I'm just not sure Barber is going to outscore Addai on most weeks.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Fair warning: this is the week Addai breaks down. With his Osteogenesis Imperfecta, he can't possibly stay healthy for ten straight. Spotlight game, high-intensity defense -- I can see it like it already happened.

ETA - wouldn't surprise me at all, especially with Brown back, to see the Colts run the ball a lot

Well Bermuda, you were almost right, he did sprain a finger, and missed some time while they taped it up. But for FF purposes I'll take 67 yards and 2 TDs any day, though it was a little frustrating seeing him go down at the one at the end, then get stuffed at the one on the next play. Though killing the clock did enable the Colts to win. Another TD would have been nice though.But don't feel too bad, I was wrong as well, since they only ran 18 times, and I expected twice as many carries to be doled out.So is Donald Brown even more injury prone than Addai?

I owned Turner and Ronnie Brown, so I'm through forecasting injuries to other people's RBs. Joseph Addai is a paragon of health, his skeleton is made of adamantium, and if he fell in the path of an oncoming subway, I wouldn't want to be on that train.

 

[switz]

Fair warning: this is the week Addai breaks down. With his Osteogenesis Imperfecta, he can't possibly stay healthy for ten straight. Spotlight game, high-intensity defense -- I can see it like it already happened.

ETA - wouldn't surprise me at all, especially with Brown back, to see the Colts run the ball a lot

Well Bermuda, you were almost right, he did sprain a finger, and missed some time while they taped it up. But for FF purposes I'll take 67 yards and 2 TDs any day, though it was a little frustrating seeing him go down at the one at the end, then get stuffed at the one on the next play. Though killing the clock did enable the Colts to win. Another TD would have been nice though.But don't feel too bad, I was wrong as well, since they only ran 18 times, and I expected twice as many carries to be doled out.

So is Donald Brown even more injury prone than Addai?

I owned Turner and Ronnie Brown, so I'm through forecasting injuries to other people's RBs. Joseph Addai is a paragon of health, his skeleton is made of adamantium, and if he fell in the path of an oncoming subway, I wouldn't want to be on that train.

That's awesome, definitely made me laugh today. Thanks! :thumbsup:

 

[Teef]

Looks like the mighty Donald Brown will have to wait another week to take over for the injury-prone Joseph Addai.

Donald Brown-RB- Colts Dec. 4 - 3:59 pm et Donald Brown (chest) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Titans.Brown failed to practice all week, putting his status for next week's game in doubt as well. Joseph Addai will continue to shoulder the bulk of the workload as a high-end RB2, with Chad Simpson filling in as the primary backup.

 

[switz]

Looks like the mighty Donald Brown will have to wait another week to take over for the injury-prone Joseph Addai.

Donald Brown-RB- Colts Dec. 4 - 3:59 pm et Donald Brown (chest) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Titans.Brown failed to practice all week, putting his status for next week's game in doubt as well. Joseph Addai will continue to shoulder the bulk of the workload as a high-end RB2, with Chad Simpson filling in as the primary backup.

Where oh where are the Donald Brown proponents, and Joseph Addai haters? This board has been full of Addai hate since day one. It's really laughable.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Looks like the mighty Donald Brown will have to wait another week to take over for the injury-prone Joseph Addai.

Donald Brown-RB- Colts Dec. 4 - 3:59 pm et Donald Brown (chest) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Titans.Brown failed to practice all week, putting his status for next week's game in doubt as well. Joseph Addai will continue to shoulder the bulk of the workload as a high-end RB2, with Chad Simpson filling in as the primary backup.

Where oh where are the Donald Brown proponents, and Joseph Addai haters? This board has been full of Addai hate since day one. It's really laughable.

I had Addai last year and he couldn't stay healthy for more than a couple games at a time.So I got Brown this year and have watched Addai look rejuvenated while Brown has been injury prone.Sometimes it just boggles the mind.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Looks like the mighty Donald Brown will have to wait another week to take over for the injury-prone Joseph Addai.

Donald Brown-RB- Colts Dec. 4 - 3:59 pm et Donald Brown (chest) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Titans.Brown failed to practice all week, putting his status for next week's game in doubt as well. Joseph Addai will continue to shoulder the bulk of the workload as a high-end RB2, with Chad Simpson filling in as the primary backup.

Where oh where are the Donald Brown proponents, and Joseph Addai haters? This board has been full of Addai hate since day one. It's really laughable.

I'm still here switz. What can I help you with?