ADP is still the best RB in football (1 Viewer)

[North]

Let me first start by saying Brad Childress is an ###.

I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.

Childress just loves to throw inside the 5. I can recall at least 6 times this year where it has been first and goal inside the 5 and they haven't given ADP a chance. If they give him the ball and let him do his thing, he leads the league in points.

Yes I'm a Minn fan and a bitter ADP owner who hates Brad Childress.

 

[FavreCo]

Pretty sure this guy

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Is the one taking Peterson down.

 

[Zigg]

AP is a great back, but he gets too much love. What separates him from S.Jackson, D.Williams or MJD? As of now, he really isn't even in the conversation with C.Johnson.

 

[Wrigley]

Pretty sure this guy

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Is the one taking Peterson down.

 

[urbanhack]

The Minn offensive line isn't that good this year.

 

[FUBAR]

AP is a great back, but he gets too much love. What separates him from S.Jackson, D.Williams or MJD? As of now, he really isn't even in the conversation with C.Johnson.

This Titans fan knows AD is still in the conversation

 

[Clifton]

He also doesn't look as as consistent as he has in the past. Less explosive and a lot of running into blockers.

The Minn offensive line isn't that good this year.

I could use another 50 yards out of him tonight.

 

[MIMN]

AP is a great back, but he gets too much love. What separates him from S.Jackson, D.Williams or MJD? As of now, he really isn't even in the conversation with C.Johnson.

This Titans fan knows AD is still in the conversation

Johnson will have the better year. "Best" is always debatable. Both are making their team's QBs better than they would be otherwise.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Let me first start by saying Brad Childress is an ###.I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.Childress just loves to throw inside the 5. I can recall at least 6 times this year where it has been first and goal inside the 5 and they haven't given ADP a chance. If they give him the ball and let him do his thing, he leads the league in points.Yes I'm a Minn fan and a bitter ADP owner who hates Brad Childress.

He's a very good back, but he's fumbled a lot this year too. Chris Johnson has been the best back this year, and I'm not just going on fantasty football.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Hopefully with this game being on national TV, people will finally get to see how bad the Minnesota offensive line is at run blocking this year, rather than thinking they have some great line because they were rated highly in Madden two years ago.

 

[loose circuits]

they need to get Adrian the ball in space something fierce. Sometimes they use Chester too much in situations Adrian could thrive

 

[Da Guru]

ADP is a close second.

 

[Stitch]

Chris Johnson is the best RB in football. But ADP/SJax and MJD are right up there as well.

 

[MIMN]

Hopefully with this game being on national TV, people will finally get to see how bad the Minnesota offensive line is at wrong blocking this year, rather than thinking they have some great line because they were rated highly in Madden two years ago.

Does bad at wrong blocking mean good at blocking?

 

[FUBAR]

AP is a great back, but he gets too much love. What separates him from S.Jackson, D.Williams or MJD? As of now, he really isn't even in the conversation with C.Johnson.

This Titans fan knows AD is still in the conversation

Johnson will have the better year. "Best" is always debatable. Both are making their team's QBs better than they would be otherwise.

I'm very much aware of this, I assume those discussing the "best RB" are looking beyond current production. They're basically equal backs, CJ is having a fantastic year, AD not as much.

 

[EdwardCat]

This thread should be closed after tonight's game. Sheesh.

 

[geoff8695]

If this was one of those reverse jinxes going into tonight's game - Well played Sir!

 

[Ghost Rider]

I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.

People aren't saying that Chris Johnson is better because he has more fantasy points; they are saying that he is better because he simply looks like the better RB. Johnson is more explosive, doesn't fumble as much, and is doing it on a team with far less talent around him.

 

[EdwardCat]

I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.

People aren't saying that Chris Johnson is better because he has more fantasy points; they are saying that he is better because he simply looks like the better RB. Johnson is more explosive, doesn't fumble as much, and is doing it on a team with far less talent around him.

Exactly....

 

[basher]

is it so hard for people to believe that ADP is not head and shoulders better then the rest of the players in that top tier? I can't say he is better then SJax, MJD, CJ, or even significantly better than DeWill ... but he is still a fantastic player

 

[BobbyLayne]

ADP is still the best RB in football

Yup...and the Stillers are still a good football team...despite the fact that its a performance-based league, and they are currently the 10th seed in the AFC.

Also, my co-op is still a great apartment, although the market seems to disagree with me regarding its precise value...

ADP is a wonderful talent, but I don't know any Vikings fan or FF owner who has him rostered who feels he is being utilized to maximum effect.

 

[fantasysharkctb]

Let's see, CJ just faced the Cards last week and had

18 - 154 - 8.6 YPC

AP just faced the same defense this week and had

13 - 19 - 1.5 YPC

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[ADP]

Hopefully with this game being on national TV, people will finally get to see how bad the Minnesota offensive line is at run blocking this year, rather than thinking they have some great line because they were rated highly in Madden two years ago.

Just horrible.Also, ADP does not get nearly the amount of carries he should. Guy needs to get a feel for the game. When he gets 1 or 2 touches per drive, its hard to get in a groove. Childress is living and dying by Favre right now. Tonight he died with him.

 

[EdwardCat]

Let's see, CJ just faced the Cards last week and had18 - 154 - 8.6 YPCAP just faced the same defense this week and had13 - 19 - 1.5 YPCThis is getting ridiculous.

Well here's the thing. Peterson, until this year, has been a phenomenal, off-the-charts talent that no one would ever question in terms of ability and superiority. He seemed to be on track after the first game this year. Since then, he's slowly declined into mediocrity. A player of Peterson's ability does not simply stop being good. Something has to shift. So I postulate one of the following to be true:1) Peterson is injured and we don't know about it2) The Vikings ability run block, nay utilize his talent since week 1, has drastically diminished (rendering week 1 a mirage)I haven't seen any clear sign of injury in regards to Peterson. What I have seen is defenses stacking against him and swarming as he gets the ball. He's made some simply amazing moves. Most of the time, however, he has no room to run. I can't understand how that is possible given the wide open, pass happy offense of the Vikings. How can defenses contain Peterson given these circumstances? Well, tonight exposed the Vikings and indicates what is to come.Arizona didn't focus on stopping either the run or the pass. It came down to one simple thing: predictability. The Cards knew what the Vikings were going to do and simply stopped it. Peterson had absolutely nowhere to run. It wasn't as if he looked slow or incapable of breaking a move (he has lost that hold-your-breath appeal, though). Most of the time he had to FIGHT to get back to the line of scrimmage. I don't care how good of a RB you are. You can't be successful under those circumstances. With no passing game there to keep the defense mildly honest, Peterson was absolutely destroyed in the backfield.While it seems insane to say, one might be better off benching Peterson next week unless you simply don't have a better option. I'd consider him a matchup starter and not a stud starter for next week.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Just the stats:

ADP has 3 games of 100 yards rushing this year. Cleveland, Detroit and Baltimore.

He's averaging just over 20 carries a game this year, which is 3rd most in the NFL.

Of the top 12 rushers in the league, Peterson is tied for 8th at 4.7 yards/carry. That is prior to tonights game and is certain to be 9th or 10th going forward.

Kind of shocking numbers for the "Best RB in football."

 

[None_More_Black]

I think the main problem with AP is that the Vikings' running plays are so vanilla. If you watch Miami run the the ball they are much better at pulling guards, mis-directions, ect. The Vikings' running game consists of running Peterson off tackle. They need to get more creative.

 

[bucksoh]

Let's see, CJ just faced the Cards last week and had18 - 154 - 8.6 YPCAP just faced the same defense this week and had13 - 19 - 1.5 YPCThis is getting ridiculous.

Put Peterson behind CJ line and he would have at least 500 more yards. So you might want to factor in the OL angle a little bit.Absurd is what I call it.

 

[jojoh07]

gimme Sjax all day over both of them.

 

[Casting Couch]

I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.

People aren't saying that Chris Johnson is better because he has more fantasy points; they are saying that he is better because he simply looks like the better RB. Johnson is more explosive, doesn't fumble as much, and is doing it on a team with far less talent around him.

 

[strong]

watching the vikings a lot this year, i always felt you could predict with pretty good accuracy whether the play was a run or a pass based on formation--then news came out today that a viking lineman was tipping the plays by lining up differently--maybe subconsciously i was noticing it, too. but it's usually pretty obvious, and i'm just a fan--not someone that gets paid to look for these things.

add to that the issue that the moment the ball's hiked, it's no secret if it's a run or pass either based on how the lineman block. many teams switch these up with more draws--especially the colts.

that said, peterson has looked a little different this year. even when he gets into space, he often cuts the wrong way or comes down on first contact. it's like with the constant blown up offensive run plays and he's a little rusty in open space.

i think the vikings game has been relatively easy to defend. and most of it's with scheme. but peterson's play has dipped this year, too.

 

[cvnpoka]

tipping plays is pretty overblown. i would imagine the defense has a very good idea of if its gonna be a run or pass regardless.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think Johnson looks better because he's the offense. They don't have anything else. As much as I like Steven Jackson, that's the case with him, too.

Put Peterson on the Titans and throw him the ball and let him be the only weapon and I think you'd be impressed with his season as well. The Vikings are a Super Bowl contender; the Titans were a nice story after embarrassing themselves for the first six weeks. Favre and Rice and Harvin-- and even Taylor-- all take plays away from Peterson. They don't need him to carry the team.

I'm not knocking Johnson, by the way. He's a lot of fun to watch and deserves MVP consideration. But I think Peterson's numbers and chances are affected by the improvement of the team around him. The Titans don't really have anything that scares anyone except Johnson, though I like the way Britt is emerging.

 

[SSOG]

Let me first start by saying Brad Childress is an ###.I believe that ADP is still the best RB in football dispite other people claiming that C Johnson is now the best. If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.Childress just loves to throw inside the 5. I can recall at least 6 times this year where it has been first and goal inside the 5 and they haven't given ADP a chance. If they give him the ball and let him do his thing, he leads the league in points.Yes I'm a Minn fan and a bitter ADP owner who hates Brad Childress.

FWIW, if Minn would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, then Minn would be giving ADP *FEWER* looks. Over the last two years, ADP and Chester have split goal-line carries 50/50. This is the first year he's had the job all to himself.I don't think that ADP is the best RB in football. Of course, for what it's worth, I don't think Chris Johnson is, either. For my money, I'll still take MJD.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So did anyone watch the line last night? Did anyone see a hole? Like literally, a single hole?

Watch some game tape of all of CJ, or most running back's runs. They go through the hole, and their first move where they either make contact or make a move on someone is a few yards upfield, at the LB level. Minnesota's line can't even get their running backs to that LB level on 95% of their run plays. It's just a pile of bodies pushed back behind the line of scrimmage. There's no hole, there's not even a semblance of where the hole was supposed to be.

Peterson has not looked like the best RB in football this year, like he did in prior years, but it's still pretty remarkable that he's averaging 4.5ypc behind that line where he only even gets a hole to run though on one out of every ten carries.

 

[Franchise Playa]

I think Johnson looks better because he's the offense. They don't have anything else. As much as I like Steven Jackson, that's the case with him, too. Put Peterson on the Titans and throw him the ball and let him be the only weapon and I think you'd be impressed with his season as well. The Vikings are a Super Bowl contender; the Titans were a nice story after embarrassing themselves for the first six weeks. Favre and Rice and Harvin-- and even Taylor-- all take plays away from Peterson. They don't need him to carry the team. I'm not knocking Johnson, by the way. He's a lot of fun to watch and deserves MVP consideration. But I think Peterson's numbers and chances are affected by the improvement of the team around him. The Titans don't really have anything that scares anyone except Johnson, though I like the way Britt is emerging.

Agreed, that is how it was before Favre got there....Peterson was the main option much like Jackson and Johnson and he looked fantastic. Now he is in a more balanced offense and the numbers aren't there anymore.It also doesn't help that he is not trusted on 3rd downs like MJD, Johnson and Jackson. Personally you can't be the best RB in football if your not a 3 down back....Sure we all think he could be, but his pass protection and catching ability is not consistent as of yet.

 

[NDyse10]

The offensive line is giving AP no holes to run in. That is really the bottom line. Although it seems he is missing holes every once and a while, but really the bottom line is the Vikings can not run block.

 

[EdwardCat]

The first two years of Peterson's career, whenever he got the ball, people held their breath. He had this burst which made him look like he could bust a 75 yard on every hand off. This year, he doesn't even have time to make that burst. However, when that hole is there, he no longer has that wow factor. It simply isn't there. As a previous poster said, his running style has taken an effect on him.

 

[Todem]

Football is cyclical like a lot of things in life. No doubt ADP is one of the best back in the league....no doubt. He is just not having a great season. I would not be supirsed to see him bounce back over the next couple of weeks and see Minny renew their focus on establishing him in the offense.

As far as the argument of who is the best? Give me Chris Johnson or ADP all day as my #1 RB to start an NFL team.

 

[EdwardCat]

I think people also need to consider the case of LT. There is no doubt that, since 2001, LT has been the best back in football hands down. Sure, there have been people who have come along and had more dominating seasons than he. However, LT performed year in and year out. It wasn't until his 5th year that he was actually RB. Most years he hovered around RB 3 to RB 7. Peterson isn't having the season we all expected from him. He's still having a year which continues to qualify him as one of the top 3 backs in the game.

 

[LittlePhatty]

If Minn. would give ADP the looks he got last year inside the 10, he would be ahead of CJ in points in most leagues.

CJ has 283 in my league while ADP has 216.ADP would need 10 more TDs needed to pull even with him. That's a lot to play the "IF" game with.The "best" label is totally subjective and it really doesn't matter to me, personally. They are both elite talents. Enough said.But I think it is hard to talk about the play calling of any 10-2 NFL team. It comes off more as a complaint about your FF player, rather than a complaint about your home team losing a game. It might be Peterson's 5 lost fumbles that Childress is worried about.

 

[CaptainHook]

adp is the greatest.

adp is the only guy ive ever seen come to a complete stop, literally toss a guy out of bounds, and then accelerate away into the endzone.

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

 

[Banger]

adp is the greatest.adp is the only guy ive ever seen come to a complete stop, literally toss a guy out of bounds, and then accelerate away into the endzone.ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

On the flipside, CJ is the only RB I've seen get around the corner and make the defense look like they are jogging as he flies right by. It's not just a function of a few long runs. I just looked through the game logs and it was surprising that both CJ and AP had nearly the same number of 10+ yard runs...CJ has 32 and AP has 30. When it comes to 20+ yard runs CJ leads 19 to 11...30+ CJ leads 10 to 5, 40+ CJ leads 7 to 3 and 50+ CJ leads 5 to 2. The big difference is that CJ is more explosive and he's much more likely to take it to the house or break off longer runs than Peterson is. So the argument that Peterson isn't getting any holes really doesn't hold much water if he's getting the same number of 10+ yard runs (on the same exact number of carries), he just hasn't been able to make as much out of those runs that Johnson has.

 

[EdwardCat]

Ladanian Tomlinson 2004...

3.9 ypc

He had a down year that year. Let's just hope this is Peterson's equivalent.

 

[Ghost Rider]

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

If Young helps Johnson immensely, shouldn't having Brett Favre help Peterson immensely? Oh, and Chris Johnson was lighting it up when Kerry Collins was in there, too, and his YPC was slightly higher in the games Collins started than in the games Young has started.

 

[JJP]

Peterson put on 15 pounds in the offseason thinking he'd have more power. Only problem is it looks like it might've cost him a step. It also seems like he's trying to run over defenders more than avoid them. He's still a great back but right now, Chris Johnson is the clear # 1.

Somebody said earlier that Johnson is noticed more because that's all Tenn has. That is a completely illogical argument. In a one dimensional offense, defenses have a much easier time trying to defend. Just put 8 in a box against a team that can't pass.

 

[strong]

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

If Young helps Johnson immensely, shouldn't having Brett Favre help Peterson immensely? Oh, and Chris Johnson was lighting it up when Kerry Collins was in there, too, and his YPC was slightly higher in the games Collins started than in the games Young has started.

having a good qb may or may not help a running backs stats.but one things clear from young's history: running backs perform insanely well when he's under center. the same cannot be said for runningbacks playing with favre. not saying favre is the reason for peterson's "down" year. looks like a combination of lots of factors to me. but i do think vince young is more of a plus for johnson than favre is for peterson.

 

[Franchise Playa]

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

If Young helps Johnson immensely, shouldn't having Brett Favre help Peterson immensely? Oh, and Chris Johnson was lighting it up when Kerry Collins was in there, too, and his YPC was slightly higher in the games Collins started than in the games Young has started.

having a good qb may or may not help a running backs stats.but one things clear from young's history: running backs perform insanely well when he's under center. the same cannot be said for runningbacks playing with favre. not saying favre is the reason for peterson's "down" year. looks like a combination of lots of factors to me. but i do think vince young is more of a plus for johnson than favre is for peterson.

So Kerry Collins also has this effect on RB's? Cause as mentioned before CJ was doing this with Kerry Collins as QB as well.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

If Young helps Johnson immensely, shouldn't having Brett Favre help Peterson immensely? Oh, and Chris Johnson was lighting it up when Kerry Collins was in there, too, and his YPC was slightly higher in the games Collins started than in the games Young has started.

having a good qb may or may not help a running backs stats.but one things clear from young's history: running backs perform insanely well when he's under center. the same cannot be said for runningbacks playing with favre. not saying favre is the reason for peterson's "down" year. looks like a combination of lots of factors to me. but i do think vince young is more of a plus for johnson than favre is for peterson.

So Kerry Collins also has this effect on RB's? Cause as mentioned before CJ was doing this with Kerry Collins as QB as well.

Not true. Johnson had one huge week with Collins - Week 2, 284 total yards, 3 TDs. His other games with Collins (total yards and TDs)68-0105-094-043-0128-0Extremely meh. Now contrast this to when Young became QB:239-2160-2232-2151-0186-1141-0His worst yardage game with Young is better than his best Collins game besides week 2

 

[Clifton]

ypc is mostly just a function of how many long runs youve busted and how long they were. CJ's long TDs have happened to be enormously long this year(3 over 85). Having VY at qb helps this immensely, and it doesnt mean youre the better overall nfl rb.

If Young helps Johnson immensely, shouldn't having Brett Favre help Peterson immensely? Oh, and Chris Johnson was lighting it up when Kerry Collins was in there, too, and his YPC was slightly higher in the games Collins started than in the games Young has started.

having a good qb may or may not help a running backs stats.but one things clear from young's history: running backs perform insanely well when he's under center. the same cannot be said for runningbacks playing with favre. not saying favre is the reason for peterson's "down" year. looks like a combination of lots of factors to me. but i do think vince young is more of a plus for johnson than favre is for peterson.

So Kerry Collins also has this effect on RB's? Cause as mentioned before CJ was doing this with Kerry Collins as QB as well.

Not true. Johnson had one huge week with Collins - Week 2, 284 total yards, 3 TDs. His other games with Collins (total yards and TDs)68-0105-094-043-0128-0Extremely meh. Now contrast this to when Young became QB:239-2160-2232-2151-0186-1141-0His worst yardage game with Young is better than his best Collins game besides week 2

Agreed, it's like some of these people just start spouting nonsense without watching games or doing any homework. If you haven't seen a difference in Johnson with Young as the QB you're not paying attention. He had a handful or mediocre games. No one was talking about CJ being the best in the NFL until around 8 games into the season. He looks great now but he didn't with Collins.

 

[Knobs]

He's as good as any back in the league.

ADP

Chris Johnson

MJD

SJax

imo these guys are the best in the NFL.