AFC Wildcard Game: Colts vs Bengals (1 Viewer)

[Khy]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

We're in a league where only a few coaches are able to have their teams be consistent playoff contenders. Lewis happens to be one of those coaches. It's essentially the Andy Reid effect. Do the Bengals really want to fire a coach keeping the team competitive and go back to the team they were pre-Marvin Lewis? In case you're curious, they were 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 4-12 and 3-13 in the 5 seasons prior to Lewis coming on in 2003. Since then they've only had 3 losing seasons. And the last few seasons they've gone 10-6, 11-5, 10-5-1 this season. They could just as easily fire Lewis and go back to having losing seasons every year for the next decade. But in the end, the NFL is a business and the Bengals always being playoff contenders keeps the money flowing. They're not the Browns the team simply can't survive with 4-12 seasons for long before fans stop showing up.

Or they could hire a much better coach.With the talent they've had they should have done much better than 4 one-and-dones.

4 in a row... 6 total now under Lewis. He's yet to win a playoff game since taking over in 2003. How he keeps his job is beyond me.

Not easy to win playoff games without a big time qb.

Andy Dalton is every bit as competent on as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and many many others over the years. At least in terms of regular season statistics. It's coaching and nothing else. Marvin Lewis has zero idea how to scheme for the playoffs and every year he seems to play against a team that just out coaches him.

Well not having AJ Green and Graham really hurt their chances as well. They had a couple deep balls today and you think AJ Green gets one of those to keep the game closer or even take the lead in the 3rd quarter.

Should be interesting if they part ways with Lewis this offseason as you can waste all of Daltons years going 1 and out.

What's the excuse for the other 11 years of Marvin Lewis sucking straight ### in the playoffs?

 

[knowledge dropper]

Time to move on from Lewis and Dalton

 

[RBM]

Actually let me rephrase that even better...

If:

TJ Yates

Tim Tebow

Matt Schaub

Mark Sanchez

Jay Cutler

Michael Vick

Alex Smith

etc.

can win a playoff game... then Andy Dalton can win a playoff game.

Yeah I mean you'd think Lewis would've fallen into a win one of these years.

And I said it's hard, not impossible.

 

[TDorBust]

Just toss it deep already and hope you get lucky.

 

[RBM]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

We're in a league where only a few coaches are able to have their teams be consistent playoff contenders. Lewis happens to be one of those coaches. It's essentially the Andy Reid effect. Do the Bengals really want to fire a coach keeping the team competitive and go back to the team they were pre-Marvin Lewis? In case you're curious, they were 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 4-12 and 3-13 in the 5 seasons prior to Lewis coming on in 2003. Since then they've only had 3 losing seasons. And the last few seasons they've gone 10-6, 11-5, 10-5-1 this season. They could just as easily fire Lewis and go back to having losing seasons every year for the next decade. But in the end, the NFL is a business and the Bengals always being playoff contenders keeps the money flowing. They're not the Browns the team simply can't survive with 4-12 seasons for long before fans stop showing up.

Or they could hire a much better coach.With the talent they've had they should have done much better than 4 one-and-dones.

4 in a row... 6 total now under Lewis. He's yet to win a playoff game since taking over in 2003. How he keeps his job is beyond me.

Not easy to win playoff games without a big time qb.

Andy Dalton is every bit as competent on as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and many many others over the years. At least in terms of regular season statistics. It's coaching and nothing else. Marvin Lewis has zero idea how to scheme for the playoffs and every year he seems to play against a team that just out coaches him.

Shtick right?Reg season stats mean nothing in the playoffs.

Oh they don't? That's funny... here I was thinking they did considering everyone talks about how awful Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are EVERY SINGLE SEASON and then called them "lucky" when they break records in the playoffs. But whatever, carry on.

Only idiots say that.

 

[Khy]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

Dysfunctional ownership

Take the starting WR, starting TE, and starting LB and see how any team does. I wouldn't put all the blame on Lewis.Going into the game and about 3 minutes in they lost some key players.

And for that reason the dysfunctional ownership will keep a guy on for his 12th season as Head Coach when he's only been to the playoffs in 6 of those 12 years and lost every playoff game he's played in... it's sad really.

So you expected the future bengals coach to have won this game today without Green, Gresham, and Monaluga?

Let's not forget the Colts beat them in regular season week seven 27-0.

Why is it always the coaches fault. What ever happened to their players executed more than ours? Or just the colts are a better team?

No, I don't... but after 12 seasons of Marvin Lewis failing to win a playoff game, don't you think it's time for a change?

Also, the reason it's always the coaches fault is because coaches matter A LOT more than some people (yourself clearly included) seem to think. Just look at the Eagles from Reid to Kelly. The Chiefs from whoever the hell was coaching them before to Andy Reid. The Seahawks from Jim Mora to Pete Carroll. The Giants from Jim Fassell to Tom Coughlin. I can keep going. Coaches get blamed because coaching matters. It's been 12 years, Lewis has done nothing but lose in every first round playoff game he's played. Common sense says it's time to move on and stop making excuses.

 

[TDorBust]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

We're in a league where only a few coaches are able to have their teams be consistent playoff contenders. Lewis happens to be one of those coaches. It's essentially the Andy Reid effect. Do the Bengals really want to fire a coach keeping the team competitive and go back to the team they were pre-Marvin Lewis? In case you're curious, they were 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 4-12 and 3-13 in the 5 seasons prior to Lewis coming on in 2003. Since then they've only had 3 losing seasons. And the last few seasons they've gone 10-6, 11-5, 10-5-1 this season. They could just as easily fire Lewis and go back to having losing seasons every year for the next decade. But in the end, the NFL is a business and the Bengals always being playoff contenders keeps the money flowing. They're not the Browns the team simply can't survive with 4-12 seasons for long before fans stop showing up.

Or they could hire a much better coach.With the talent they've had they should have done much better than 4 one-and-dones.

4 in a row... 6 total now under Lewis. He's yet to win a playoff game since taking over in 2003. How he keeps his job is beyond me.

Not easy to win playoff games without a big time qb.

Andy Dalton is every bit as competent on as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and many many others over the years. At least in terms of regular season statistics. It's coaching and nothing else. Marvin Lewis has zero idea how to scheme for the playoffs and every year he seems to play against a team that just out coaches him.

Well not having AJ Green and Graham really hurt their chances as well. They had a couple deep balls today and you think AJ Green gets one of those to keep the game closer or even take the lead in the 3rd quarter.

Should be interesting if they part ways with Lewis this offseason as you can waste all of Daltons years going 1 and out.

What's the excuse for the other 11 years of Marvin Lewis sucking straight ### in the playoffs?

Oh no excuse just saying today could have been different. I personally can care less about Begnals and what comes of them. Just update me so I know where to draft AJ Green next year.

Lewis should move on after this year but who knows it could be worse and you could be missing the playoffs.

 

[Capella]

WTF is Nantz talking about?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

Dysfunctional ownership

Take the starting WR, starting TE, and starting LB and see how any team does. I wouldn't put all the blame on Lewis.Going into the game and about 3 minutes in they lost some key players.

And for that reason the dysfunctional ownership will keep a guy on for his 12th season as Head Coach when he's only been to the playoffs in 6 of those 12 years and lost every playoff game he's played in... it's sad really.

So you expected the future bengals coach to have won this game today without Green, Gresham, and Monaluga?

Let's not forget the Colts beat them in regular season week seven 27-0.

Why is it always the coaches fault. What ever happened to their players executed more than ours? Or just the colts are a better team?

No, I don't... but after 12 seasons of Marvin Lewis failing to win a playoff game, don't you think it's time for a change?

Also, the reason it's always the coaches fault is because coaches matter A LOT more than some people (yourself clearly included) seem to think. Just look at the Eagles from Reid to Kelly. The Chiefs from whoever the hell was coaching them before to Andy Reid. The Seahawks from Jim Mora to Pete Carroll. The Giants from Jim Fassell to Tom Coughlin. I can keep going. Coaches get blamed because coaching matters. It's been 12 years, Lewis has done nothing but lose in every first round playoff game he's played. Common sense says it's time to move on and stop making excuses.

AJ Smith, is that you?

 

[Card Trader]

Ryan Lindley had more TD passes than Dalton in this year's playoffs and just as many as Dalton has in his career.

 

[cjv123]

Lewis had a say in the horrible Dalton contract. (Cutler is 10 times the QB Dalton is, by the way.) Lewis and Dalton must both go. Cincy *must* get a QB in the draft.

 

[lod01]

WTF is Nantz talking about?

Probably idiot homer Bengal fans.

 

[lod01]

Lewis had a say in the horrible Dalton contract. (Cutler is 10 times the QB Dalton is, by the way.) Lewis and Dalton must both go. Cincy *must* get a QB in the draft.

There are none better than him.

 

[Khy]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

We're in a league where only a few coaches are able to have their teams be consistent playoff contenders. Lewis happens to be one of those coaches. It's essentially the Andy Reid effect. Do the Bengals really want to fire a coach keeping the team competitive and go back to the team they were pre-Marvin Lewis? In case you're curious, they were 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 4-12 and 3-13 in the 5 seasons prior to Lewis coming on in 2003. Since then they've only had 3 losing seasons. And the last few seasons they've gone 10-6, 11-5, 10-5-1 this season. They could just as easily fire Lewis and go back to having losing seasons every year for the next decade. But in the end, the NFL is a business and the Bengals always being playoff contenders keeps the money flowing. They're not the Browns the team simply can't survive with 4-12 seasons for long before fans stop showing up.

Or they could hire a much better coach.With the talent they've had they should have done much better than 4 one-and-dones.

4 in a row... 6 total now under Lewis. He's yet to win a playoff game since taking over in 2003. How he keeps his job is beyond me.

Not easy to win playoff games without a big time qb.

Andy Dalton is every bit as competent on as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and many many others over the years. At least in terms of regular season statistics. It's coaching and nothing else. Marvin Lewis has zero idea how to scheme for the playoffs and every year he seems to play against a team that just out coaches him.

Shtick right?Reg season stats mean nothing in the playoffs.

Oh they don't? That's funny... here I was thinking they did considering everyone talks about how awful Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are EVERY SINGLE SEASON and then called them "lucky" when they break records in the playoffs. But whatever, carry on.

Only idiots say that.

Either way it's not a schtick. I see now reason why you should be able to be a good-great regular season QB but suck so hard in the playoffs short of scheme and playcalling. The Bucs won a Super Bowl with Brad friggin Johnson. Rex Grossman got the Bears to a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens and Chris Chandler got to a Super Bowl with the Falcons. Don't act like it's so insane. If you can put up competent numbers you should be able to do the same in the playoffs. If you can't it's likely because your coaches changed their gameplan from the regular season or you just choked. It's not like Dalton is out there throwing 5 INTs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Y.A. Title! Nice one, Nanny.

Chin up, Andy - a QB who started his career in the 1940s also lost his first four playoff games, and he went on to...right, never win an NFL title.

 

[Johnny Bing]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

Dysfunctional ownership

Take the starting WR, starting TE, and starting LB and see how any team does. I wouldn't put all the blame on Lewis.Going into the game and about 3 minutes in they lost some key players.

And for that reason the dysfunctional ownership will keep a guy on for his 12th season as Head Coach when he's only been to the playoffs in 6 of those 12 years and lost every playoff game he's played in... it's sad really.

So you expected the future bengals coach to have won this game today without Green, Gresham, and Monaluga?Let's not forget the Colts beat them in regular season week seven 27-0.

Why is it always the coaches fault. What ever happened to their players executed more than ours? Or just the colts are a better team?

No, I don't... but after 12 seasons of Marvin Lewis failing to win a playoff game, don't you think it's time for a change?

Also, the reason it's always the coaches fault is because coaches matter A LOT more than some people (yourself clearly included) seem to think. Just look at the Eagles from Reid to Kelly. The Chiefs from whoever the hell was coaching them before to Andy Reid. The Seahawks from Jim Mora to Pete Carroll. The Giants from Jim Fassell to Tom Coughlin. I can keep going. Coaches get blamed because coaching matters. It's been 12 years, Lewis has done nothing but lose in every first round playoff game he's played. Common sense says it's time to move on and stop making excuses.

I'll punch my ticket to see the Bengals in the super bowl next year if they make a coaching change.

 

[jurb26]

Rough day for Dalton but not having Green or Gresham was killer.

Where is the Bengal pass rush? They should get a lot of the blame today as well.

Indy was way better.

 

[GOB]

WTF is Nantz talking about?

Nantz bet the under .5 INT for Dalton, obviously.

 

[Khy]

Lewis had a say in the horrible Dalton contract. (Cutler is 10 times the QB Dalton is, by the way.) Lewis and Dalton must both go. Cincy *must* get a QB in the draft.

There are none better than him.

This... Dalton isn't the problem. It's the coaching staff that's the issue.

 

[Khy]

Really don't know how Lewis keeps his job.

Dysfunctional ownership

Take the starting WR, starting TE, and starting LB and see how any team does. I wouldn't put all the blame on Lewis.Going into the game and about 3 minutes in they lost some key players.

And for that reason the dysfunctional ownership will keep a guy on for his 12th season as Head Coach when he's only been to the playoffs in 6 of those 12 years and lost every playoff game he's played in... it's sad really.

So you expected the future bengals coach to have won this game today without Green, Gresham, and Monaluga?Let's not forget the Colts beat them in regular season week seven 27-0.

Why is it always the coaches fault. What ever happened to their players executed more than ours? Or just the colts are a better team?

No, I don't... but after 12 seasons of Marvin Lewis failing to win a playoff game, don't you think it's time for a change?

Also, the reason it's always the coaches fault is because coaches matter A LOT more than some people (yourself clearly included) seem to think. Just look at the Eagles from Reid to Kelly. The Chiefs from whoever the hell was coaching them before to Andy Reid. The Seahawks from Jim Mora to Pete Carroll. The Giants from Jim Fassell to Tom Coughlin. I can keep going. Coaches get blamed because coaching matters. It's been 12 years, Lewis has done nothing but lose in every first round playoff game he's played. Common sense says it's time to move on and stop making excuses.

I'll punch my ticket to see the Bengals in the super bowl next year if they make a coaching change.

They have all the talent... if they cleaned house with the coaching staff and made some good moves in the offseason I'm game for putting some money on them in Vegas.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Dalton did not call 13 running plays for Hill.

 

[Donnybrook]

CBS is hilarious - "Let's not lay that this at the feet of Andy Dalton" then they proceed to show 5-6 lowlights.

 

[GOB]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

Essentially a 2 year contract, with a show me something. He has shown us something, just nothing good.

 

[Khy]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

He's also now tied with Mora for most playoff losses without a win at 0-6. Difference being that Mora did it on two teams over 15 years instead of one team over 12 years.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I don't know what I just saw in the Colts locker room but that was cool.

 

[Khy]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

Essentially a 2 year contract, with a show me something.He has shown us something, just nothing good.

Again, I don't lay any of this at the feet of Dalton. He's just as capable as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were when they won a Super Bowl. The difference is that Marvin Lewis isn't Tom Coughlin, John Harbaugh, Jon Gruden or Brian Billick. Lewis is the weak link, not Dalton. Football is a team effort and that effort starts with the coaching staff coming up with a good game plan in the playoffs. Lewis has proven after an 0-6 playoff record that he's unable to do that.

 

[GOB]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

Essentially a 2 year contract, with a show me something.He has shown us something, just nothing good.

Again, I don't lay any of this at the feet of Dalton. He's just as capable as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were when they won a Super Bowl. The difference is that Marvin Lewis isn't Tom Coughlin, John Harbaugh, Jon Gruden or Brian Billick. Lewis is the weak link, not Dalton. Football is a team effort and that effort starts with the coaching staff coming up with a good game plan in the playoffs. Lewis has proven after an 0-6 playoff record that he's unable to do that.

I'm not sure what game you watched but Dalton didn't make 1 play in a playoff game. Apologize for him all you want, but he is a loser. Plain and simple.

Marvin deserves a ton of blame, but to say Dalton and Flacco are equal is just false.

 

[cjv123]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

Essentially a 2 year contract, with a show me something.He has shown us something, just nothing good.

Again, I don't lay any of this at the feet of Dalton. He's just as capable as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were when they won a Super Bowl. The difference is that Marvin Lewis isn't Tom Coughlin, John Harbaugh, Jon Gruden or Brian Billick. Lewis is the weak link, not Dalton. Football is a team effort and that effort starts with the coaching staff coming up with a good game plan in the playoffs. Lewis has proven after an 0-6 playoff record that he's unable to do that.

Manning and Flacco? You are ignorant beyond words.

 

[Khy]

Lewis is second in league history as far as most wins (he has 100+) without a playoff victory. Jim Mora is #1.

Dalton just signed an extension (Lewis noted at the time being joined at the hip with him), but not sure how it was structured. Don't think it is as year to year as Kaepernick's controversial contract, for instance.

Essentially a 2 year contract, with a show me something.He has shown us something, just nothing good.

Again, I don't lay any of this at the feet of Dalton. He's just as capable as Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were when they won a Super Bowl. The difference is that Marvin Lewis isn't Tom Coughlin, John Harbaugh, Jon Gruden or Brian Billick. Lewis is the weak link, not Dalton. Football is a team effort and that effort starts with the coaching staff coming up with a good game plan in the playoffs. Lewis has proven after an 0-6 playoff record that he's unable to do that.

I'm not sure what game you watched but Dalton didn't make 1 play in a playoff game.Apologize for him all you want, but he is a loser. Plain and simple.

Marvin deserves a ton of blame, but to say Dalton and Flacco are equal is just false.

My point is simply that you don't need an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning to win a Super Bowl, or in this case just a playoff game. You just have to not be awful. Tim Tebow won a playoff game and no team will even keep him on as a backup to the water boy. This is a team sport. The Bengals made this season rushing the ball and they went and gave Jeremy Hill 13 carries and decided that when your Top 2 receivers are out the best option would be to have Dalton throw the ball 35 times. This loss was 95% coaching staff and 5% QB performance. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[The_Man]

Set aside Flacco's 5 straight playoff games with a 100+ QB rating for a moment. How can you equate what he did last night vs Pittsburgh to what Dalton did today vs Indy?

 

[GOB]

Set aside Flacco's 5 straight playoff games with a 100+ QB rating for a moment. How can you equate what he did last night vs Pittsburgh to what Dalton did today vs Indy?

STOP KIDDING YOURSELF

 

[IHEARTFF]

Not giving the Colts enough credit

 

[jon_mx]

Keep this pinned for the Detroit game....

 

[Bojang0301]

Andy Dalton is a decent QB whose shortcomings will never give him the ability to take over or lead a team from behind if there is a mass deficit. Flacco and Manning who were mentioned previously have great arms and the ability to take the shots downfield that can change the momentum of games and I say that without liking Flacco as a QB. All three of them are the same kind of ho hum leader/personality but only one of them has a sub par NFL arm. Lewis should have been out after last year. It will be an attractive opening if so because you'll have a long leash, good talent on both sides of the ball but I'm not sure I would want the headache of trying to mask Dalton's weaknesses or search for his replacement.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Bengals fan. Would trade Dalton for Flacco with no second thoughts.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Flacco and Dalton are very similar UNTIL you get to the playoffs. Flacco just has something about him where he takes it up a notch in the playoffs. Dalton acts like he believes the team will lose. No spark.

Lewis and Harbaugh are also kind of similar as coaches...except, again, in the playoffs. Harbaugh seems to thrive on being on the road and outplaying the competition. Lewis seems to be waiting around for the opponent to lay an egg so they can take the win. When that doesn't happen, the Bengals have no answer.

The Bengals have solid regular-season quarterbacking and coaching. It's just not good enough when it counts the most. The Ravens have the same, but seem to have guys who kick it up a notch when it matters. Not everyone has that. They do.

 

[monessen]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

 

[Bojang0301]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

 

[monessen]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

I see. I'll take that as a yes answer.

 

[Bojang0301]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

I see. I'll take that as a yes answer.

The answer is no but why even ask the question? At least Matt can throw down field. If he had Dalton's running game I bet he could have done something at very least last year if not this one.

 

[monessen]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

I see. I'll take that as a yes answer.

The answer is no but why even ask the question? At least Matt can throw down field. If he had Dalton's running game I bet he could have done something at very least last year if not this one.

The answer is no? You prefer Dalton?

I'm asking to get a sense of what level of QB Cincy fans prefer among established vets whose teams didn't make the playoffs, exception being Drew Brees. How about Cutler? Tannehill? Geno Smith? Mark Sanchez?

 

[cheese]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

I see. I'll take that as a yes answer.

The answer is no but why even ask the question? At least Matt can throw down field. If he had Dalton's running game I bet he could have done something at very least last year if not this one.

The answer is no? You prefer Dalton?I'm asking to get a sense of what level of QB Cincy fans prefer among established vets whose teams didn't make the playoffs, exception being Drew Brees. How about Cutler? Tannehill? Geno Smith? Mark Sanchez?

Tannehill is almost an exact clone. The others listed are no. I would take Ryan or Eli as well myself.

 

[cheese]

If you give Dalton, say, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and Roddy White, he'd do very well. Give Matt Ryan the core of receiving talent the Bengals had out there today and Ryan puts up a zero. Would you trade Dalton for Ryan?

He has AJ Green. He had an excellent season statistically a year ago with all his WR's and TE's healthy with an OC that liked to throw. It is definitely not the weapons around him.

I see. I'll take that as a yes answer.

The answer is no but why even ask the question? At least Matt can throw down field. If he had Dalton's running game I bet he could have done something at very least last year if not this one.

Depends on your definition of done something. It obviously means more than division titles and playoff every year because Dalton did that. If it means winning the SB with the Bengals supporting cast I highly doubt it. In between, I don't know, probably not much different.