Agholor vs Perriman in the late first...who do you like? (1 Viewer)

[amicsta]

I had Perriman rated higher pre-draft and he went to just as good, if not better, of a situation as Agholor. So, to me, its Perriman. That said, theyre back to back in my WR rankings post draft so its incredibly close. Honestly I think either is a steal in the late first.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I had Perriman rated higher pre-draft and he went to just as good, if not better, of a situation as Agholor. So, to me, its Perriman. That said, theyre back to back in my WR rankings post draft so its incredibly close. Honestly I think either is a steal in the late first.

While this is a debate between the two, you make a good point. People who land either of these guys at picks 6-9 are really benefitting. Those picks have a lot of value this year

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I had Perriman rated higher pre-draft and he went to just as good, if not better, of a situation as Agholor. So, to me, its Perriman. That said, theyre back to back in my WR rankings post draft so its incredibly close. Honestly I think either is a steal in the late first.

What makes Perriman's situation better?

 

[amicsta]

I had Perriman rated higher pre-draft and he went to just as good, if not better, of a situation as Agholor. So, to me, its Perriman. That said, theyre back to back in my WR rankings post draft so its incredibly close. Honestly I think either is a steal in the late first.

What makes Perriman's situation better?

I think they are at least equal bc of the immediate opportunity for targets. Smith was a shell the last 8-10 games, and they dont have much else there. Top WR there from day 1 imo, while Agh will always hafta compete w JMatt. Im also a loyal member of Team Trestman.

 

[Xue]

I think Flacco's deep ball is being overrated in this thread.

I also think the most compelling point I have seen made in the thread is the back to back seasons Jackson and Maclin had in Chip's offense vs. the fact that the highest a WR has ever ranked with Flacco is WR18 (Mason in 2009) (FBG scoring). That seems to imply that Perriman's value is capped in a way that Agholor's is not.

The QB mostly responsible for Jackson's and Maclin's production isn't in the team anymore.

IMO the person most responsible for the production of Jackson and Maclin is Kelly, not Foles.

Kelly is the reason Maclin's production was at the same level with Sanchez right?Kelly is responsible for the production of Foles and Sanchez. He's responsible for the collective production of whoever the WRs are. To say he's responsible for a singular WR's production is flawed. It's the QB who ultimately decides who to throw the ball to. It's pretty amazing that Foles and Sanchez put up nearly identical numbers last season, despite each favoring a different WR.

Also, in Jackson's season, there was only Riley Cooper and a Rookie Ertz to steal targets. Pretty easy to be a lead dog. Now there's a second-year Mathews and third-year Ertz.

You are welcome to your opinion. Agree to disagree.

Opinion based on facts. How would you explain Foles and Sanchez putting up near identical numbers, yet the production of Maclin (the supposed leading WR in that offense) dipped with Sanchez? So Kelly told Sanchez to throw to Maclin less? If so, who's to say any specific WR will be the lead guy in that offense? Yes Maclin finished the year as the lead guy, but it was entirely "situation-based". That situation was Foles starting. Do we know who Bradford is going to fall in love with?

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

So what's Bradford's best WR season he has produced?

 

[Tau837]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.

But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

 

[Xue]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.

But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

 

[JetMaxx]

Perriman is Ok and he's got the Ozzie factor but I love Agholor. Perfect fit in that offense, could catch 80 balls as a rookie.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

 

[Jrodicus]

Perriman for many reasons

1. Better QB IMO. Bradford sucks and can he stay healthy. than you get Sanchez. What is the future. I like joe Flacco.

2. O philosophy. I know Chip wants to play fast paced but he also wants to run a ton. Why they have 3 nice RB's. Baltimore is run but Trestman loves the air as the new OC.

3. More chances. Smith is old and Matthews/Ertz in play also in Philly. Plus his boy Huff. What competition does Perriman have other than old man Steve and Madd Maxx now. I like opp in Baltimore.

4. Great learning tool in Steve Smith. I think this will be big for Perriman for his upside.

5. Size and Speed. Give me both of those things in a player. I think the other stuff can be taught. Plus I like his family pedigree.

6. USC WR. The past speaks volumes of these guys. Agholor reminds me of many that have come in and they dont see to do that well.

I know the hands has been questioned but I dont think the issue is hands as much as concentration for the Stephon HIll comment. Smith will help concentration. Great start to his rookie camp for the hands. One drop for concentration. I really think he overcomes this and his ceiling is way higher than Agholor's down the line. Give me the guy with a top 10 Chance over the WR who probably will be top 25 but how much higher.

This is the exact answer.Everything for Perriman screams more opportunity and better, more stable QB and coaches. The addition to Trestman alone is noteworthy, not to mention Flacco and Harbaugh who aren't going anywhere soon.

Thriftyrocker is dead on: Perriman is in a K. Benjamin situation, except he has better coaching and long ball QB.

Perriman, by his physical nature is RARE. He can be Josh Gordon (hold on, someone's at the door...come in Soulfly).

This is the exactly WRONG answer. It's Agholor by a full round in rookie drafts.1. Better QB is a wasteful argument because Bradford has all the tools and the only thing stopping him from being a top10 QB is health. Not to mention that Sanchez was very servicable and productive in his short stint as starter.

2. The O philosophy changes with personnel and even when they had McCoy the WR's we're very good. With Matthews being a rookie that year he had a solid year and is only going to get better with an equally great rookie across from him.

3. More chances? How can you say that when you just said Chip wants fast paced offense? I don't even need to pick that one apart. There's plenty of touches to go around especially to a very good route runner coming in like Agholor. Chip's offense it timing based, and if Agholor is always in that spot at that time, he'll be productive.

4. Agholor doesn't need a "great learning tool" when his work ethic is unquestioned. He is known for that which makes him a great pick.

5. Sure Perriman is bigger/faster but Agholor is no slouch in that department either. He ran a 4.42 which isn't slow and he has a natural feel for the game. Better football player overall than Perriman.

6. The whole USC thing is overblown. Evaluate each prospect separate from team dynamic and you have an un-biased result. And for those that want to compare to Lee, he didn't have a bad rookie year either and is a foundation piece for the Jags, again great work ethic and solid route running, he will start to shine soon.

There is no ceiling for a guy who runs great routes and catches everything... You're just looking it as a 5'11 receiver vs. a 6'2 receiver. The ceiling is how they play. Agholor plays with a fire and a competitive edge to him, Perriman doesn't (at least from what I've seen). You can't necessarily put a "ceiling" on it because the game is built for receivers. Again it's not even close for me. Agholor takes the cake.

I stopped reading after that "by a full round" part. Preferring Agholor is one thing, but having a mid/late 2nd grade on Perriman tells me your dynasty advice is not worth reading.

 

[FGITLOTR]

At this point I don't know much about Agholar,but Bloom and his guest were effusive in their praise for him

 

[Zyphros]

I have them at 8 at 15 respectively but I haven't tinkered with my board since the draft, so I still have Strong, Coleman, David Johnson in front which might change. Tentatively putting Perriman at 12. So not a full round anymore.

 

[Xue]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

Chip gave up Foles + to get Bradford. Seems he likes him better.

 

[Jrodicus]

I have them at 8 at 15 respectively but I haven't tinkered with my board since the draft, so I still have Strong, Coleman, David Johnson in front which might change. Tentatively putting Perriman at 12. So not a full round anymore.

A full round would've put him at 20 before...which is crazy even predraft.

If you haven't updated your rankings since before the draft, why make such careless comments? You might as well say you still have Watkins as your top WR from the 2014 draft, but you haven't updating your rankings since week 2 of last season.

 

[Zyphros]

I have them at 8 at 15 respectively but I haven't tinkered with my board since the draft, so I still have Strong, Coleman, David Johnson in front which might change. Tentatively putting Perriman at 12. So not a full round anymore.

A full round would've put him at 20 before...which is crazy even predraft.

If you haven't updated your rankings since before the draft, why make such careless comments? You might as well say you still have Watkins as your top WR from the 2014 draft, but you haven't updating your rankings since week 2 of last season.

I'm only in 10 team leagues so that makes 18, not too far off. Perriman I'm not comfortable taking anywhere til mid 2nd anyways so it's almost a full round til I'm comfortable drafting him even though he's higher on my board than that.

 

[Xue]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

Chip gave up Foles + to get Bradford. Seems he likes him better.

But who does Bradford like?

 

[pghrob]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

Chip gave up Foles + to get Bradford. Seems he likes him better.

But who does Bradford like?

His Oklahoma Sooners receivers from 2007 & 2008 seasons.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

To be fair, Nick Foles got hurt on the last play of the first quarter of the Houston game so Mark Sanchez played 8 and three quarters last season so he was actually the primary QB for Maclin.

 

[mikmak8902]

I think Flacco's deep ball is being overrated in this thread.

I also think the most compelling point I have seen made in the thread is the back to back seasons Jackson and Maclin had in Chip's offense vs. the fact that the highest a WR has ever ranked with Flacco is WR18 (Mason in 2009) (FBG scoring). That seems to imply that Perriman's value is capped in a way that Agholor's is not.

The QB mostly responsible for Jackson's and Maclin's production isn't in the team anymore.

So we are buying high on STL receivers now?

 

[pghrob]

I think Flacco's deep ball is being overrated in this thread.

I also think the most compelling point I have seen made in the thread is the back to back seasons Jackson and Maclin had in Chip's offense vs. the fact that the highest a WR has ever ranked with Flacco is WR18 (Mason in 2009) (FBG scoring). That seems to imply that Perriman's value is capped in a way that Agholor's is not.

The QB mostly responsible for Jackson's and Maclin's production isn't in the team anymore.

So we are buying high on STL receivers now?

Paging Mr. Bailey. Stedman Bailey please pick up a courtesy phone. All kidding aside, Foles' gaudy stats are thought to be a product of the Chip Kelly system. I can only think of Steve McNair under Jeff Fischer as being a decent fantasy QBs, and McNair used his feet. I don't see Foles' playing like McNair. Who were Fischer's QBs after McNair?

 

[Slapdash]

Interesting that we are talking about these guys in the late first while Agholor and Perriman are 5/6 respectively in the FBG rankings right now. Rookie draft thread has them consistently going lower. Why the disconnect overall?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Interesting that we are talking about these guys in the late first while Agholor and Perriman are 5/6 respectively in the FBG rankings right now. Rookie draft thread has them consistently going lower. Why the disconnect overall?

FBG scoring assumes PPR. Many rookie drafts won't be PPR.

That'd be my guess at least.

 

[Xue]

Since you are talking about facts, how about the fact that Flacco has never had a WR finish ranked higher than #18? I notice you ignored that fact.

Flacco has had the same offense every single year of his career? He's had the same number of attempts every single year? He's produced the same number of passing yards every single year? He's had a WR who's talent warranted a certain amount of targets to label as the WR1 of that team?

No idea what point you think you are making here. Facts:

1. Flacco has been in the league since 2008.

2. Flacco has started every game at QB for the Ravens for the past 7 seasons.

3. During the past 7 seasons, no Ravens WR has finished higher than WR #18 using FBG scoring.

4. Harbaugh has been head coach throughout Flacco's career.

5. Flacco will play for his 4th OC in 2015.

You want to ignore these facts and what they imply about Perriman's ceiling, you are free to do so.

How come Chip Kelly is responsible for the production of a singular WR on the Eagles, but in the Ravens' case, it's Flacco that's responsible?

Well, I could point out to you that Kelly brought an innovative offense into the NFL when he arrived, whereas Harbaugh was a special teams coach, not an offensive genius.But, fine, instead we can say Harbaugh is responsible rather than Flacco if you prefer that. Guess what, he's still there and there is no reason to believe that is going to change in the foreseeable future.

Again, no idea what point you think you are making.

As I already said, I agree to disagree with you.

I have no idea what your facts prove. You avoided my questions. The fact that no Flacco WR has finished better than WR18 is lazy analysis. There is so much context missing. Context in the answers to my questions. That is my point.

Harbaugh is a defensive-minded Head Coach, so I'm not sure what that has to do with Flacco and the passing game.

What's the best season an Oregon WR has finished when Chip Kelly was there? You're using 2 seasons to prove a point for Kelly, but with Flacco, you're using 7. Your whole argument for either side is apples vs oranges.

Chip Kelly had a good fantasy WR in Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin so far as Eagles HC.

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin had good fantasy seasons in the Chip Kelly system while Nick Foles was the primary QB.

To be fair, Nick Foles got hurt on the last play of the first quarter of the Houston game so Mark Sanchez played 8 and three quarters last season so he was actually the primary QB for Maclin.

Foles was the QB in games when Maclin was the leading WR.