pantherclub
Footballguy
if the colts were unhappy with Ballard why didn't they draft a running back before the 7th round?
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Ahmad Bradshaw...why not more love for him? (1 Viewer)
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
I'll gladly take a $50 bet that Ballard outscores Bradshaw this weekend. You good to go?
Bob Barker
Footballguy
Bradshaw is a great RB when healthy. Ive watched him play for years. He runs hard, has good vision, is excellent at pass blocking, good receiver, good goal line RB. His injury history is the only thing that scares me, He is a complete RB and I really dont think Ballard is better than him at anything. Bradshaw signed a cheap 1 year deal to prove himself, so he is playing for a lot of future money this year. If healthy he should be a top 20 RB easily, most people have him as their RB3/RB4 so he is a nice upside/value pick this year, if you think his foot will last all year.
The more interesting bet is who scores more for the season. Balancing the talent/health issues will be fun to see how it plays out.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I agree. That's tougher to call. I'm still of the opinion Ballard will outperform Bradshaw on the year. This is why he is a steal at his current ADP.
Again, as a Colts fan, I hope I'm wrong and I hope Bradshaw is the Bradshaw of old. It would certainly help our team!!!
pantherclub
Footballguy
ballard is the play of the week this week vs the raiders
Jed
Footballguy
This deal wasn't to prove himself, it was the best deal he could get for being broken @ 26. Giants let him go cheap for a reason - he wanted to stay.
HarddTimezz
Footballguy
Dinged? Bradshaw has a cracked foot held together with NUTS and BOLTS! I understand the player Bradshaw used to be but those days are LONG gone! We have no idea how good Ballard could be this year but I will not bet against him. It's simply too early to kick dirt on Ballard and call him a plodder when he was a rookie last year and very easily should improve tremendously. I will welcome all bets of Bradshaw vs Ballard season totals.Eminence said:
shadyridr
Footballguy
yep LONG gone. Only 4.6 ypc last year
Bob Barker
Footballguy
Dodds's early projections have Bradshaw getting 2 times the fantasy points as Ballard for week 1
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Truth is, I don't have a dog in this race but if I did it would be Bradshaw, especially relative to his ADP. You want to say Ballard is the "steal" yet according to MFL Bradshaw is the 30th RB off the board where as Ballard is the 38th. If Bradshaw stays healthy, he's the superior talent and it's not even remotely debatable. I'm still kind of surprised that anyone would tout a plodder like Ballard as a sleeper; he's not going to win you a championship. At best he's a servicable NFL and fantasy RB. If he breaks out this year and turns into the next Emmit Smith, I'll gladly come back here and eat crow.
HarddTimezz
Footballguy
Plodder? So Ballard is unable to improve on his rookie season? What about Trent Richardson? He plodded his way to 3.6ypc and is on a team with half the qb!
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Bobby Guano
Footballguy
Starting Bradshaw week 1 over Eddie Lacy in one league and not thinking twice about it.
He's been a great guy to target in the mid rounds for upside drafts the past few years. Yes his feet are messed up and he misses some games but he's not a game time decision guy, you know well in advance when he's not playing. When he play's he produces more often then not. I've had him on my redraft roster 2 of the last 3 years and I was very happy to snatch him up again in the 8th round this year.
He's been a great guy to target in the mid rounds for upside drafts the past few years. Yes his feet are messed up and he misses some games but he's not a game time decision guy, you know well in advance when he's not playing. When he play's he produces more often then not. I've had him on my redraft roster 2 of the last 3 years and I was very happy to snatch him up again in the 8th round this year.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I can't speak for the FO, but I'm guessing they had other needs to fill. The Green Bay packers didn't draft a rb at all in 2012... Does that mean they were happy? The seahawks drafted a rb with their first pick this year. They had lynch and Turbin from last years draft, does that mean they were unhappy?
Juzaba
Footballguy
In addition to Bradshaw week 1, I could also play Sproles vs. Atl. I lean towards Sproles, but easily could see it going the other way. I think I'm going to avoid Bradshaw in week 1 just to see what happens, but I think it could go either way. Sucks that I have a very even match in week 1, so I really can't afford a guy who puts up only 4 points or something silly.
I suspect this is the sort of decision many Bradshaw owners will face every week. And there's a legit argument to be made for some people that the headache isn't worth it.
I suspect this is the sort of decision many Bradshaw owners will face every week. And there's a legit argument to be made for some people that the headache isn't worth it.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Let it go. The season starts this week. No words will cure your man love for an injured second stringer.
dmac37
Footballguy
I have the same choice but am leaning heavy toward Lacy. I feel good about Bradshaw for the season just not sure about week 1. Ryan Grant and Benson were producing numbers as the #1 RB in GB so I'm hoping Lacy is treated like the main RB in GB.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Bob Barker
Footballguy
By saying Ballard is better you are basically calling Dodds an idiot, a moron, and a disgrace to the industry. Dodds is one of my best friends, and I dont appreciate that
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Clearly you are spot on with this comment. If you disagree with someone about a future production of an NFL player you are calling them an idiot, a moron and a disgrace. There is no room in the Shark Pool for people who disagree. Now get in line people or you won't get your figgy pudding.
HarddTimezz
Footballguy
The facts are Ballard IS better than Bradshaw and will clearly get the majority of work week #1. I view Ballard as a solid rb2 and possible rb1 this week. If you choose to ignore this situation and play Bradshaw you are in for a serious let down. I have nothing against Dodds but it seems he picked the wrong time to start sniffin glue.
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az_prof
Footballguy
This is what we call:The facts are Ballard IS better than Bradshaw and will clearly get the majority of work week #1. I view Ballard as a solid rb2 and possible rb1 this week. If you choose to ignore this situation and play Bradshaw you are in for a serious let down. I have nothing against Dodds but it seems he picked the wrong time to start sniffin glue.
1) Begging the Question. First, you claim that "the facts are Ballard IS better..." Yet, that is exactly what needs to be proven. You assert the facts prove this but you don't present these facts. Sorry. Weak argument.
2) Bandwagon Fallacy: You write, "I view Ballard as a solid rb2 and possible rb1 this week. If you choose to ignore this situation and play Bradshaw you are in for a serious let down." I am on the band wagon, beating the drum for Ballard. You better jump on the band wagon or you will be in "for a serous let down." The band wagon pretends that the assertion is commonly accepted and if you don't accept it you are out of the mainstream. Not true. Many people believe Bradshaw is the better back and will produce better. This is not settled. Some think otherwise.
You think you are right. Fine. But you have to do more than beg the question and bully people into joining the bandwagon.
Personally, I think it likely that there will be RBBC this week, and that Brown will also get some meaningful touches. I don't know which of the three INDY backs will produce best this week. In TD heavy, I would start Ballard; in PPR I would start Bradshaw; but I would prefer to wait a weeek to see how it shakes out in a real game. The news is positive about Bradshaw fully practicing. And he often plays when he is hurt, so I think it likely he plays and plays well. But this is a new team and I want to see what happens on the field for one game. I do know this: that last year Bradshaw was a far superior back, even hurt as he was. Ballard is neither very fast nor elusive; he is the epitome of three yards and a cloud of dust. If you want three yards to pick up the first down, he is your man. But I just don't see him as an everydown back based on his body work to date. Bradshaw has proven that he is an above average NFL every down back--the only question is his health at this time. Brown has shown more home run potential than Ballard and makes a better third down COP back than Ballard--but he has had trouble staying healthy.
I am probably going to start DWill over Bradshaw because of the uncertainty, but I very much expect to get some good production out of Bradshaw in future game and wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 100 yards and a TD this week.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
Thank you for taking the time to post this in an attempt to bring some value to the thread and put an end to the lunacy. Agree or not people, but the schtick and the bullying just gotta go.az_prof said:This is what we call:HarddTimezz said:The facts are Ballard IS better than Bradshaw and will clearly get the majority of work week #1. I view Ballard as a solid rb2 and possible rb1 this week. If you choose to ignore this situation and play Bradshaw you are in for a serious let down. I have nothing against Dodds but it seems he picked the wrong time to start sniffin glue.Bob Barker said:
1) Begging the Question. First, you claim that "the facts are Ballard IS better..." Yet, that is exactly what needs to be proven. You assert the facts prove this but you don't present these facts. Sorry. Weak argument.
2) Bandwagon Fallacy: You write, "I view Ballard as a solid rb2 and possible rb1 this week. If you choose to ignore this situation and play Bradshaw you are in for a serious let down." I am on the band wagon, beating the drum for Ballard. You better jump on the band wagon or you will be in "for a serous let down." The band wagon pretends that the assertion is commonly accepted and if you don't accept it you are out of the mainstream. Not true. Many people believe Bradshaw is the better back and will produce better. This is not settled. Some think otherwise.
You think you are right. Fine. But you have to do more than beg the question and bully people into joining the bandwagon.
Personally, I think it likely that there will be RBBC this week, and that Brown will also get some meaningful touches. I don't know which of the three INDY backs will produce best this week. In TD heavy, I would start Ballard; in PPR I would start Bradshaw; but I would prefer to wait a weeek to see how it shakes out in a real game. The news is positive about Bradshaw fully practicing. And he often plays when he is hurt, so I think it likely he plays and plays well. But this is a new team and I want to see what happens on the field for one game. I do know this: that last year Bradshaw was a far superior back, even hurt as he was. Ballard is neither very fast nor elusive; he is the epitome of three yards and a cloud of dust. If you want three yards to pick up the first down, he is your man. But I just don't see him as an everydown back based on his body work to date. Bradshaw has proven that he is an above average NFL every down back--the only question is his health at this time. Brown has shown more home run potential than Ballard and makes a better third down COP back than Ballard--but he has had trouble staying healthy.
I am probably going to start DWill over Bradshaw because of the uncertainty, but I very much expect to get some good production out of Bradshaw in future game and wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 100 yards and a TD this week.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Umm is this dude gonna start or not?
pantherclub
Footballguy
someone owes me a sig bet
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Is this Joe's view or [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]?
If I am paying for a service and get an email with this kind of conviction, I expect the fantasy expert to come through. This is an embarrassment to the FBG website.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
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Will be between Bradshaw and fumbling ### David Wilson for me in Week 2.
Will be between Bradshaw and fumbling ### David Wilson for me in Week 2.
az_prof
Footballguy
This week went about as expected--none of the backs were of much fantasy value. If you are a Ballard or Bradshaw owner, you can't be thrilled. That was a weak defense and Ballard didn't score or participate in passing game--so despite some solid running he didn't help you win. And Bradshaw is clearly still returning to form. How long will Ballard hang on? Will either of them score? This looks like a RBBC where no one wins.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Gotcha. Joe's view is not actually [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] because it is in the free email, so put zero faith in it.
You were #####ing about paying for a service; you don't pay for the emails. Besides you should make your FF decisions based on your own thoughts, not blindly follow an "expert's" advice. Like how you recommended trading Randall Cobb away, or your season would be ruined.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The outrage-o-meters around here need to be recalibrated.
Think for yourself. Make your own decisions.
Think for yourself. Make your own decisions.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Regardless a clear statement was made, "Bradshaw is going to start for the Colts in a nice week 1..." and it was wrong. I am sure FBGs wishes they had this one to do-over, you do not need to defend them.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Bring up Cobb again when he is #1 - #8 in fantasy football points on the year. Your point will have some meaning at that time. Until then, my recommendation stands. Cobb will not live up to his ADP.
I own Ahmad Bradshaw in zero leagues. If he was on one of my rosters, there is a 0% chance I would have started him.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Exactly. And there needs to be a distinction between Joe's view and FBGs view, because I seriously doubt the staff consensus was that Bradshaw will start and do well.
I didn't defend them. TT said he expects fantasy experts to "come through" if he is paying for a service. I merely pointed out that he wasn't paying for a service.
Your recommendation wasn't "trade Cobb for value, he won't live up to his ADP;" it was "Cobb's bicep is torn, trade him now or your season will be ruined." Nice attempted backtrack. /hijack
As far as Bradshaw; anyone who started him based off of FBG's email deserves to get the 4 points (or whatever he got). Don't let other people manage your team; even if you pay them for a service.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Your words in quotes are not actually my quotes.
Link to my post where I said it was Biceps Tendonitis.
Link where I discuss ADP.
Listen Bayhawks. This is the third time you have brought up my Cobb recommendation and the third time you have misrepresented my advice. You took it personally when I recommended selling Cobb and you are continuing to put it down at this point in time.
Cobb will not finish the year better than #8 in fantasy points. My advice stands. Get off my a ss until you have a leg to stand on. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say. However, your mis-quotes and forum stalking will be called out.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I will put this on the NGTH list.
az_prof
Footballguy
No one should be congratulated for this but on the other hand, I wonder how many Ballard proponents would be saying the same thing if Bradshaw were already out for the year?
The point is that injuries DO happen. You shouldn't over emphasize them in your rankings, especially if a player has a history of playing hurt. Talent and situation should be the primary factors in ranking players. Predicting injuries is like predicting the weather.
