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Koya
Footballguy
If by the next tiki you mean the lightning that was to be a 3rd down back and change of pace runner who usurps the starting role and turns into a feature, 3 down, 80% of the carries back and a surprise fantasy stud then there is a chance - but I don't see it, for a few reasons.
First, Tiki's production was, simply put, ridiculous. There have been few backs who have had the ability to run and catch the ball as well as Tiki. Faulk was better, LT2 better for his prime years (now apparantly done) but off the top of my head, no one else in his generation. Had Tiki played two more years, he would have likely (imo) been a HoFer, and it would be hard to argue otherwise by looking at the numbers.
Bradshaw has not shown that level of ability overall, certainly in the receiving game.
Aside from pure production, their games are rather different as well. Bradshaw is FAR more physical, Tiki was a slasher.
Jacobs, while disappointing this season, is far better than Dayne was with the Giants, which should limit the touches bradshaw gets for the next season or so.
Of course, most important of all, I see nothing from Bradshaw to suggest that he is a backstabbing, completely selfish and narcissistic anti-teammate as Tiki sadly turned out to be.
First, Tiki's production was, simply put, ridiculous. There have been few backs who have had the ability to run and catch the ball as well as Tiki. Faulk was better, LT2 better for his prime years (now apparantly done) but off the top of my head, no one else in his generation. Had Tiki played two more years, he would have likely (imo) been a HoFer, and it would be hard to argue otherwise by looking at the numbers.
Bradshaw has not shown that level of ability overall, certainly in the receiving game.
Aside from pure production, their games are rather different as well. Bradshaw is FAR more physical, Tiki was a slasher.
Jacobs, while disappointing this season, is far better than Dayne was with the Giants, which should limit the touches bradshaw gets for the next season or so.
Of course, most important of all, I see nothing from Bradshaw to suggest that he is a backstabbing, completely selfish and narcissistic anti-teammate as Tiki sadly turned out to be.
Koya
Footballguy
I should add, however, that what I have seen from Bradshaw does suggest that he could be a viable starter with 60% of his teams carries, although I do not yet know about his durability long term. I see his ceiling as a lower end #1 RB with upside game to game IF he gets needed touches.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Between the fumble and the penalty Bradshaw pretty much handed the game to the Cardinals. Maybe Tiki could come and show him how to hold on to the ball.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I'm with you on the fumble, but how did the 1-yard penalty hand the game to the Cardinals?Between the fumble and the penalty Bradshaw pretty much handed the game to the Cardinals. Maybe Tiki could come and show him how to hold on to the ball.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
His fumble was clearly an issue, but to say he handed the game to Arizona is to ignore how poorly Eli played. It was a team loss.Between the fumble and the penalty Bradshaw pretty much handed the game to the Cardinals. Maybe Tiki could come and show him how to hold on to the ball.
thatguythere
Footballguy
You are right, the penalty didn't "hand" the game to the Cards....Eli took care of that. You have to admit Bradshaw didn't have a very good 4th Q with the game on the line.It doesn't matter if the penalty was 1 yard or 15 yards. When you get stuffed for -3 yards and then commit a unnecessary roughness penalty that puts your team back to your own 1 yard line (with under 3 minutes down by a TD) it isn't good, anyway you want to slice it. It is was 1st and 10 from the 16 and he commited the same penalty to put them back to the one it would be no difference, still stupid. Manning got lucky and completed the pass to Smith in double coverage.... The interception Manning threw a few plays later looked very similar to the 3rd and 15 play....double coverage.As a Jacobs owner it gets a little old seeing all the Bradshaw hype when he plays good and nothing when he plays like crap. You turn flip their stats from yesterday and it would be another Bradshaw love fest in here, and he would be taking over. The fact is he is no different then Derrick Ward was last year. Same hype different year.I'm with you on the fumble, but how did the 1-yard penalty hand the game to the Cardinals?Between the fumble and the penalty Bradshaw pretty much handed the game to the Cardinals. Maybe Tiki could come and show him how to hold on to the ball.
munchkin
Footballguy
There is likely more than one reason why Jacobs starts ahead of Bradshaw. Coughlin is going to play who he feels gives the team the best chance to win. He has been fortunate in that he has had depth to play with the last coouple of years. If he had to play Jacobs almost exclusively it is likely his propensity to get injured would come in to play. You can't ignore the value of having very good players behind your starting RB. If Bradshaw, this year, and Ward, last year, had not produced like they had the team would be in a mor precarious position. In the weeks that Jacobs has faltered the backups have stepped in and helped the team tremendously. Bradshaw is better than a number of starting RB's currently on NFL rosters Maroney, Jamal Lewis and Julis Jones come to mind.You are right, the penalty didn't "hand" the game to the Cards....Eli took care of that. You have to admit Bradshaw didn't have a very good 4th Q with the game on the line.It doesn't matter if the penalty was 1 yard or 15 yards. When you get stuffed for -3 yards and then commit a unnecessary roughness penalty that puts your team back to your own 1 yard line (with under 3 minutes down by a TD) it isn't good, anyway you want to slice it. It is was 1st and 10 from the 16 and he commited the same penalty to put them back to the one it would be no difference, still stupid. Manning got lucky and completed the pass to Smith in double coverage.... The interception Manning threw a few plays later looked very similar to the 3rd and 15 play....double coverage.As a Jacobs owner it gets a little old seeing all the Bradshaw hype when he plays good and nothing when he plays like crap. You turn flip their stats from yesterday and it would be another Bradshaw love fest in here, and he would be taking over. The fact is he is no different then Derrick Ward was last year. Same hype different year.I'm with you on the fumble, but how did the 1-yard penalty hand the game to the Cardinals?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I agree with most of what you wrote in this post. Only took issue with saying that the penalty handed the game to the Cards, when it clearly only had a 1 yard impact. It's easy to see why the Bradshaw love fest annoys you (and perhaps other Jacobs owners). Up until this week, Bradshaw simply looked like the better RB. Nobody knew what was wrong with Jacobs, but he seemed "off" somehow. This week he looked great - more like his old self. And Bradshaw looked average at best. He hurt the team more than he helped them in week 7.One point we disagree on: I see Bradshaw as more talented than D Ward. But will that translate into future production? No idea.You are right, the penalty didn't "hand" the game to the Cards....Eli took care of that. You have to admit Bradshaw didn't have a very good 4th Q with the game on the line.It doesn't matter if the penalty was 1 yard or 15 yards. When you get stuffed for -3 yards and then commit a unnecessary roughness penalty that puts your team back to your own 1 yard line (with under 3 minutes down by a TD) it isn't good, anyway you want to slice it. It is was 1st and 10 from the 16 and he commited the same penalty to put them back to the one it would be no difference, still stupid. Manning got lucky and completed the pass to Smith in double coverage.... The interception Manning threw a few plays later looked very similar to the 3rd and 15 play....double coverage.As a Jacobs owner it gets a little old seeing all the Bradshaw hype when he plays good and nothing when he plays like crap. You turn flip their stats from yesterday and it would be another Bradshaw love fest in here, and he would be taking over. The fact is he is no different then Derrick Ward was last year. Same hype different year.I'm with you on the fumble, but how did the 1-yard penalty hand the game to the Cardinals?Between the fumble and the penalty Bradshaw pretty much handed the game to the Cardinals. Maybe Tiki could come and show him how to hold on to the ball.
3nOut
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see what happens moving forward. Jacobs outplayed Bradshaw yesterday hands down. Jacobs averaged 5.85 yards yesterday (4.25 for those of you who say if it wasn't for his long run of 25). Bradshaw averaged only 2.67 (1.64 if you take away his long carry of 14). Jacobs even outplayed Bradshaw in receiving, catching 2/11 vs. 1/-5 for Bradshaw.
I am really surprised the Giants didn't use Jacobs more. Maybe the combination of 2 losses in a row, Manning coming down to earth a little, and Bradshaw making mental mistakes will give Jacobs more opportiunities. With Jacobs and Bradshaw alternating series, I was surprised to see Bradshaw back in the game after his fumble. I thoughtit would have been Jacobs' "turn". I would guess it was to show they still had confidence in him. But they quickly benched him after his silly penalty (he's lucky he didnt hurt his hand) and put Jacobs right back in. With Jacobs playing well yesterday, I am surprised they continued to try to pass the ball, especially at the end of the game. They still had time and were already in Arizona territory (1:15 @ ARI39). They should have pounded it with Jacobs. In fact, they should have pounded it more on Jacob's previous series near the goal line. Absolutely terrible play calling. Just look at this series:
4-1-ARI35 (11:16) B.Jacobs left guard to ARZ 28 for 7 yards (C.Haggans, A.Rolle).
This was a good call. But then...
1-10-ARI28 (10:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep left to M.Manningham.
2-10-ARI28 (10:29) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Smith to ARZ 11 for 17 yards (A.Rolle).
1-10-ARI11 (9:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to B.Jacobs [K.Dansby].
2-10-ARI11 (9:42) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Smith to ARZ 4 for 7 yards (R.Brown).
3-3-ARI4 (9:05) (Shotgun) B.Jacobs right tackle to ARZ 2 for 2 yards (R.Brown, K.Dansby).
This last play, if I recall correctly, they ran Jacobs outside instead of pounding him inside like before. So now its 4-1 and what do they do? They kick a field goal?? When they're on the 4??? Ugh. Terrible. (Yes I am a Jacobs owner)
The Giants deserved to lose. Maybe they'll come to their senses now.
I am really surprised the Giants didn't use Jacobs more. Maybe the combination of 2 losses in a row, Manning coming down to earth a little, and Bradshaw making mental mistakes will give Jacobs more opportiunities. With Jacobs and Bradshaw alternating series, I was surprised to see Bradshaw back in the game after his fumble. I thoughtit would have been Jacobs' "turn". I would guess it was to show they still had confidence in him. But they quickly benched him after his silly penalty (he's lucky he didnt hurt his hand) and put Jacobs right back in. With Jacobs playing well yesterday, I am surprised they continued to try to pass the ball, especially at the end of the game. They still had time and were already in Arizona territory (1:15 @ ARI39). They should have pounded it with Jacobs. In fact, they should have pounded it more on Jacob's previous series near the goal line. Absolutely terrible play calling. Just look at this series:
4-1-ARI35 (11:16) B.Jacobs left guard to ARZ 28 for 7 yards (C.Haggans, A.Rolle).
This was a good call. But then...
1-10-ARI28 (10:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep left to M.Manningham.
2-10-ARI28 (10:29) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Smith to ARZ 11 for 17 yards (A.Rolle).
1-10-ARI11 (9:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to B.Jacobs [K.Dansby].
2-10-ARI11 (9:42) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to S.Smith to ARZ 4 for 7 yards (R.Brown).
3-3-ARI4 (9:05) (Shotgun) B.Jacobs right tackle to ARZ 2 for 2 yards (R.Brown, K.Dansby).
This last play, if I recall correctly, they ran Jacobs outside instead of pounding him inside like before. So now its 4-1 and what do they do? They kick a field goal?? When they're on the 4??? Ugh. Terrible. (Yes I am a Jacobs owner)
The Giants deserved to lose. Maybe they'll come to their senses now.
