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Ahmad Brooks(LB-Virginia) kicked off team? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wow. I wonder what for?
How much of a character risk is he?
How much of a character risk is he?
coolnerd
Footballguy
From the article:The decision to release Brooks from the team was made after an off-field incident that recently took place, although sources refused to elaborate on the specifics.
Generally, when athletes get kicked off the team there is either a history of bad behavior or he did something really dumb. Interested to see which one. I worry more about consistent character issues than a guy who went brain dead once.
I think he will be better off the NCAA lets him in this draft. My belief is that teams will look at him more closely when he is one of a handful of prospects in the supplemental draft.
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
Not if he got kicked off his team! His draft stock just plummeted to Marcus Vick territory.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Brooks is in a tough spot, having a subpar season and needing next year to re-establish himself as an elite 'backer. Without an understanding of the magnitude of his transgression, it's impossible to handicap how this factors into an already deep LB class. He's far too talented for teams to simply ignore, provided the transgression wasn't too egregious.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If it was, wouldn't we have seen a police blotter report on it by now?This may be something not all that bad, but given the Vick situation, needed to be dealth with harshly, lest the staff lose control of the team completely.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Brooks was UVA. Vick was VaTech.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Sometimes I am really, really stupid.
at the moron who would have been a top 15 pick in last year's draft.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Don't. Almost didn't post that, but figured someone else would. Actually, UVA's staff itself is in a bit of a meltdown losing Golden and Prince. So you may be partially correct that this is a move to assert control and authority over a transgression that is not too egregious, to use Wood's SAT word.Sometimes I am really, really stupid.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
it could be a big problem not only if it is egregious... but also if it is really bad.Don't. Almost didn't post that, but figured someone else would. Actually, UVA's staff itself is in a bit of a meltdown losing Golden and Prince. So you may be partially correct that this is a move to assert control and authority over a transgression that is not too egregious, to use Wood's SAT word.Sometimes I am really, really stupid.
diesel7982
Footballguy
He'll have to enter the supplemental draft if he decides to go pro.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
And there's Bob with his PSAT word. I like how this board caters to both spectrums.it could be a big problem not only if it is egregious... but also if it is really bad.Don't. Almost didn't post that, but figured someone else would. Actually, UVA's staff itself is in a bit of a meltdown losing Golden and Prince. So you may be partially correct that this is a move to assert control and authority over a transgression that is not too egregious, to use Wood's SAT word.Sometimes I am really, really stupid.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Anyone have the sup draft order?Some team could be very lucky.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Its not set yet, is it?I cant remember if it mirrors the NFL draft, or if they take the top 16 teams and randomized them in the 1-16 spots, and then do the same with 17-32.
Brooks would have been a mid/late-first this year...not sure at what point that becomes worth getting rid of your 2007 1st rounder for.
coolnerd
Footballguy
It is more complicated than that. There are three different tiers and each are randomized. I am doubting that anyone uses 1st rounder on him in supplemental draft. Generally, too much unknown in teams mind to give up 1st rounder. Example: the jets legimately thought they were a playoff team going into 2005. What if they sucked and had given up the first rounder for a guy who has risky character.
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It is hard or damn near impossible to kicked off a team when you are that good. I am curious to see if UVA goes public with Brooks transgression(s) or if it will go undisclosed. Depending on the severity of the matter, Brooks' ability to transfer could be eliminated or disabled, which would leave him no choice but to seek entry into the supplemental draft.
Not knowing what happend or if it was a serious of issues that caused his dismissal it becomes difficult to determine Brook's value in the supplemental draft. I do agree, though, that nobody uses a first round on him unless it is determined his problems off the field at UVA can be classified as minor and he is physically sound. At that time I could see a team that would otherwise have no access to drafting such a player taking a calculated chance on him. The guy is a monster on the field and, if all checks out, someone will assume the risk.
Now, if his off the field problems were constant and or severe in nature couple with some past physical issues, Brooks is going to run into some trouble. Either way the kid has cost himself millions at this point.
Not knowing what happend or if it was a serious of issues that caused his dismissal it becomes difficult to determine Brook's value in the supplemental draft. I do agree, though, that nobody uses a first round on him unless it is determined his problems off the field at UVA can be classified as minor and he is physically sound. At that time I could see a team that would otherwise have no access to drafting such a player taking a calculated chance on him. The guy is a monster on the field and, if all checks out, someone will assume the risk.
Now, if his off the field problems were constant and or severe in nature couple with some past physical issues, Brooks is going to run into some trouble. Either way the kid has cost himself millions at this point.
diesel7982
Footballguy
He could theoretically try. Id sincerely doubt they allow him in.
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDr...rocki041904.htmMade me look it up. Quickest one from a SPORTS site.
The supplemental draft order is based on three separate lotteries — one for the 13 teams who finished with six or fewer wins, one for the seven non-playoff teams with more than six wins and a final lottery for the 12 playoff teams. Each team receives a proportionate number of tokens based on their position in the 2004 regular draft (San Diego has 32, Oakland 31, Arizona 30, all the way down to the Patriots with one).
A private drawing is held by the NFL to determine how the first 13 picks shake out. Then the next drawing is conducted for the non-playoff teams, and lastly the playoff teams. Once the order is decided, each team has 10 minutes to submit its draft selections. It submits picks by e-mail without knowing of other clubs’ intentions. If five teams submit picks for Mike Williams in the first round, the team with the best draft position gets the pick. In exchange, it must give up its first-round pick in next year’s draft. If it does not have a first-round pick in 2005, it cannot submit a first-round selection for a player.
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http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/enforcemen...ootball/nfl_faq
This is the best I could find and at a quick glance I do not see a definitive ruling on the process of the supplemental draft.
The supplemental draft was instituted in 1977. Only 34 players have been selected in that time. That's a shade under a player per year being selected in July.
This is the best I could find and at a quick glance I do not see a definitive ruling on the process of the supplemental draft.
The supplemental draft was instituted in 1977. Only 34 players have been selected in that time. That's a shade under a player per year being selected in July.
diesel7982
Footballguy
First one that came to my mind was Steve Walsh by the Cowboys in 1990(?). The pick turned out to be the #1 OA the next year(i think)Its been awhile. I could have made all that up.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
NCAA | Brooks still on the Virginia team
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:31:46 -0800
Jeff White, of the Times-Dispatch, reports University of Virginia officials said Friday, Feb. 17, that star LB Ahmad Brooks is still on the school's football team. A report had been published by a web site devoted to University of Virginia sports that Brooks has been dismissed from the team and would try to play in the NFL this season. In an email to the Times-Dispatch, Virginia athletic director Craig Littlepage said, "Ahmad's eligibility to participate has not changed." However, a source close to the football program expressed surprise that head coach Al Groh had said Brooks was still on the team.
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:31:46 -0800
Jeff White, of the Times-Dispatch, reports University of Virginia officials said Friday, Feb. 17, that star LB Ahmad Brooks is still on the school's football team. A report had been published by a web site devoted to University of Virginia sports that Brooks has been dismissed from the team and would try to play in the NFL this season. In an email to the Times-Dispatch, Virginia athletic director Craig Littlepage said, "Ahmad's eligibility to participate has not changed." However, a source close to the football program expressed surprise that head coach Al Groh had said Brooks was still on the team.
Fargin' Bastage
Footballguy
I've followed Brooks' career at UVA very closely and here's what I can add to the situation:
The summer before he arrived at UVA, he was cited (along with 3 others in a car) for posession of maryjane. Groh handled the situation internally.
Brooks is a freak of nature, physically. He weighs almost 260lbs and can run a legitimate 4.5-4.6 forty. He is so gifted athletically, that Groh used him as a kick returner a couple of times in 2004 and he ran one of them back 40-45 yards. He is quick, agile and strong, but he doesn't tackle all that well. He takes plays off and doesn't shed blocks particularly well either. While he makes an occasional spectacular play, he is not consistent at all. That being said, Brooks is the most impressive combination of size and speed I have ever seen in person... WHEN HE IS HEALTHY.
Brooks was eligible for the 2005 NFL draft. He was coming off an impressive sophomore campaign (he spend one year in prep school) and most people considered him gone. However, he has a degenerative bone condition in his knee and required surgery. There is no way he could have hidden this from NFL teams, and most speculated that he would have entered the NFL draft had he been healthy, but pretty much had no choice but to return to UVA for his junior season. He was on crutches during the spring game and wasn't healthy enough to practice in pads until October of 2005. Groh was incredibly coy with the media when it came time to answer questions about Brooks... usually saying that he was planning on playing the season without him. When he did suit up against Maryland in October, he was a shadow of his former self. He only had a couple of tackles and sprained an ankle. It was clear that Brooks was overweight and was not properly conditioned to come back that soon. He played in UVA's last 3 games, but did not look that impressive.
The media and fans considered him gone following last season, though most agreed that it would be in his best interest to stay. He and his father (former Redskin Perry Brooks) came out and publically stated that he had unfinished business at Virginia and he also wanted to get his degree. Everything had been quiet until yesterday. What happens from here, we can only guess. But, my gut tells me where there's smoke, there's fire and he's probably gone.
Had there been an incident with the law, there is ZERO chance Groh and UVA could have kept that under wraps. That's public information and the press here in Virginia absolutely LOVES to report on the transgressions of UVA and VA Tech athletes, particularly those who are talented.
The summer before he arrived at UVA, he was cited (along with 3 others in a car) for posession of maryjane. Groh handled the situation internally.
Brooks is a freak of nature, physically. He weighs almost 260lbs and can run a legitimate 4.5-4.6 forty. He is so gifted athletically, that Groh used him as a kick returner a couple of times in 2004 and he ran one of them back 40-45 yards. He is quick, agile and strong, but he doesn't tackle all that well. He takes plays off and doesn't shed blocks particularly well either. While he makes an occasional spectacular play, he is not consistent at all. That being said, Brooks is the most impressive combination of size and speed I have ever seen in person... WHEN HE IS HEALTHY.
Brooks was eligible for the 2005 NFL draft. He was coming off an impressive sophomore campaign (he spend one year in prep school) and most people considered him gone. However, he has a degenerative bone condition in his knee and required surgery. There is no way he could have hidden this from NFL teams, and most speculated that he would have entered the NFL draft had he been healthy, but pretty much had no choice but to return to UVA for his junior season. He was on crutches during the spring game and wasn't healthy enough to practice in pads until October of 2005. Groh was incredibly coy with the media when it came time to answer questions about Brooks... usually saying that he was planning on playing the season without him. When he did suit up against Maryland in October, he was a shadow of his former self. He only had a couple of tackles and sprained an ankle. It was clear that Brooks was overweight and was not properly conditioned to come back that soon. He played in UVA's last 3 games, but did not look that impressive.
The media and fans considered him gone following last season, though most agreed that it would be in his best interest to stay. He and his father (former Redskin Perry Brooks) came out and publically stated that he had unfinished business at Virginia and he also wanted to get his degree. Everything had been quiet until yesterday. What happens from here, we can only guess. But, my gut tells me where there's smoke, there's fire and he's probably gone.
Had there been an incident with the law, there is ZERO chance Groh and UVA could have kept that under wraps. That's public information and the press here in Virginia absolutely LOVES to report on the transgressions of UVA and VA Tech athletes, particularly those who are talented.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
From kffl.com _______________________________________________________________Oh those classy Virginia football players
NCAA | More about Brooks' situation
Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:51:56 -0800
Jeremy Root, of The Cavalier Daily, reports Virginia LB Ahmad Brooks failed a drug test within the past two weeks and will not be practicing with the team this spring, according to two sources close to the team. The sources told The Cavalier Daily that Virginia head coach Al Groh informed the team Brooks would not be with the squad this spring, and his status for the fall had not yet been determined. Because Brooks originally elected not to enter the 2006 NFL Draft by the Jan. 15 deadline, if he wishes to participate in the 2006 NFL season, he will have to enter the Supplemental Draft, which generally takes place in the summer. Brooks also has the option to petition the NFL to gain entry in the NFL Draft, to be held Apr. 29 and 30.
