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Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
I make no predictions about what Green Bay will do in terms of who gets the carries, but I think Samkon Gado is a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme. If he winds up the #1 look out.
Billy1x
Footballguy
I doubt they will be playing from behind as much. The defense has been drastically improved. Only very good teams should be able to get much of a lead and I think they have a better schedule this year. I think 1500 yards is pretty much the average now for a good non-RBBC back. The big question may be how long it takes for the offense to learn their new blocking assignments. Seems like in Atlanta it didn't click until the 2nd year.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
About 5 backs a year get over 1500 so this is far from average.Everyone keeps bringing up Gado, but he (probably) may end up being the 3rd running back behind Green and Dookie. Yes, Jags is running the zone blocking scheme, but lets not forget that McCarthy says he wants to bring back a traditional west coast scheme which would mean that the running backs would be a bigger part of the passing game. Neither Davenport or Gado has shown they can be reliable in that department, but this should keep Green in more often and he may not have the luxury of taking himself out like he did with Sherman. LAUNCH
Billy1x
Footballguy
I stated good backs when I actually meant the top backs. Last year the average was 1543 yds for the top 10.Alexander,Shaun SEA 1880
Barber,Tiki NYG 1860
Johnson,Larry KC 1750
Portis,Clinton WAS 1516
James,Edgerrin IND 1506
Tomlinson,Ladainian 1464
Johnson,Rudi CIN 1458
Dunn,Warrick ATL 1416
Jones,Thomas CHI 1335
McGahee,Willis BUF 1247
I think the bottom two missed a few games due to injury as were a few others.
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Traders2001
Footballguy
I dont agree , barring injuries Davenport is the best by far.
Are you Gado pimps on drugs?
When healthy, Ahman Green averages 4.6 ypc & will give GB 55-60 catches for 400-500 yds additionally. Gado averaged 4.1 ypc and isn't a legit catching threat out of the backfield. Both guys put the ball on the carpet more than they should.
I also see Gado struggling a lot more with a zone blocking scheme. Green has better vision & initial burst - which is critical when a team is zone blocking, rather than aiming a RB at a designated point of attack. Gado is a mauler, not a run-to-daylight RB.
If both Green & Gado are healthy, the choice is a no-brainer. Green gets the nod easily. The health issue is the crux, though, isn't it?
When healthy, Ahman Green averages 4.6 ypc & will give GB 55-60 catches for 400-500 yds additionally. Gado averaged 4.1 ypc and isn't a legit catching threat out of the backfield. Both guys put the ball on the carpet more than they should.
I also see Gado struggling a lot more with a zone blocking scheme. Green has better vision & initial burst - which is critical when a team is zone blocking, rather than aiming a RB at a designated point of attack. Gado is a mauler, not a run-to-daylight RB.
If both Green & Gado are healthy, the choice is a no-brainer. Green gets the nod easily. The health issue is the crux, though, isn't it?
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Big Score
Footballguy
To be fair Pony Boy, some of your post is a tad misleading.Yes Green's career avg ypc is 4.6, but comparing both these backs avg ypc from last year, is a better barometer don't you think?
Green's 2005 avg ypc = 3.3
Gado's 2005 avg ypc = 4.1
Three things to consider on the obvious disparity in avg ypc noted above.
#1) Was Green's leg bothering him the whole time?
#2) I'm sure DC's were far more concerned with Green, than Gado.
#3) Green was running behind the O'line early in the year , Gado late in the year.
I wouldn't be too worried about Gado & the zone blocking scheme. Gado is used to a zone blocking scheme from his College days and is reportedly excited that Green Bay is going with that system as that's the type blocking scheme he is most familiar with.
From what I've seen, Green's hands are light years better than Gado's. This is important as Fisher, Sherman's pet 3rd down pass catching specialists, is gone.
With all that being said, I agree with you. If Green's healthy, he's the starter.
If you're going to base the issue on just last year - when Green was playing hurt quite a bit - rather than Green's entire body of work - particularly with GB, then I'm certainly not going to be able to convince anyone that Green is better than Gado. That's selective cherry picking in its highest form.Not to say that is what you are doing here, BS. You put conditions on your statement & the caveat at the end. But when both guys are healthy, Gado can't carry Green's jock. Gado's a 1-dimensional masher.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
First off zone blocking and the WCO are two seperate things. A lot of teams run the "West Coast Offense", but how many of them really run it like Walsh did? The Packers have supposedly been running it in the Sherman era, but while they may have the same terminology their offense has been run way more like an Al Davis team than a Bill Walsh one.LAUNCH
Big Score
Footballguy
PB,The reason I compared the two based on last year only, vs bringing up Green's entire body of work in Green Bay, is because in 2005, both these backs played under like conditions.
Bad O'line, no Walker, Favre older etc...etc...etc...
If you try to compare Green's entire Green Bay career vs Gado's 8 games in 2005, it becomes much more difficult to get what I feel is a more accurate comparison. Green had the advantage of running behind Green Bay's incredible line for a few years, a younger Favre, healthy WR corp etc...etc...etc...
One other important condition when looking at Green's avg ypc from last year.
Early in the 2005 season, all the Green bay RB's were healthy. Sherman feel in love with constantly pulling Green for a few carries per game here & there and inserting either Davenport or Fisher.
Green never had a game with 20 carries, or more, in 2005.
By the time Gado got his chance, he was pretty much the last man standing at RB for the Pack. Sherman couldn't constantly pull him for Davenport or Fisher.
Gado had 5 games with 20+ carries & 4 of those 5, were 25+ carry games.
msommer
Footballguy
When did Gado play with a partially torn tendon that had bothered him since college? I must have missed that bit of information. (look up the Ahman Green injury threads for that bit of information if you want correlation - I did).Healthy Green>Gado - based on body of work.
Will Green be healthy by TC or regular season? McCarthy seems to think so. I don't know - and I am pretty sure every one else on this board is scrying their chrystal balls as well as opposed to having firm knowledge.
Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
A healthy prime Green > than Gado. A healthy 2006 Green might or might not be. His receiving skills are clearly superior to anybody else GB has, I won't debate that.To call Gado a "masher" is doing him a disservice though. From what I've seen, he has very rare speed and burst. He's not particulary elusive, but he's the kind of back that can pick a hole and, whooooosh, be gone. There weren't many holes to pick from last year and he still averaged 4.1 ypc. You give him a decent line and he's 4.5 easy. I'm willing to give Green a mulligan on 2005, but Gado was the better back last year.
Big Score
Footballguy
Not sure of your point here msommer. It looks like we're agreeing?
My very 1st condition with GreenAlong with these other conditions which you left out
I also think it's important to look at the number of carries each back had in their games last year, as pointed out above. Gado got far more carries than Green.Lastly, I said this
The one thing I did not know, that your post shed light on, was that Green has been playing with a partially torn tendon since 1998 It's insane that Green has played for 8 years in the NFL with a partially torn tendon.
The one thing I did not know, that your post shed light on, was that Green has been playing with a partially torn tendon since 1998
It's insane that Green has played for 8 years in the NFL with a partially torn tendon.
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Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
It would be insane if it were true, but there's no way that's true.
Last year Gado was a foreigner from a small school already cut by KC, playing on a huge "stage" for the Pack and also probably told that "don't get hurt"....the guy might have been nervous. I don't think it's fair to consider him such a lesser runner just yet. He might be but the vet is almost always the better runner. He's got a year under his belt. I'm real curious about him. His rookie year was a very positive first impression IMO. Seems some here are down on him and....give the kid a chance.
Big Score
Footballguy
I was going by msommer's post.The one thing I did not know, that your post shed light on, was that Green has been playing with a partially torn tendon since 1998
It's insane that Green has played for 8 years in the NFL with a partially torn tendon.
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msommer
Footballguy
Small tidbit I found some months ago here on these pages - I had to dig hard using the search function. IIRC the wording was something like 'an injury that has bothered Ahman Green since college'I was going by msommer's post.The one thing I did not know, that your post shed light on, was that Green has been playing with a partially torn tendon since 1998
It's insane that Green has played for 8 years in the NFL with a partially torn tendon.
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fatness
Footballguy
You might have misread the post. I think this is it.
Ahman Green has been suffering with tendonitis in his right knee as far back as college. He suffered a ruptured tendon in his right quadriceps on 10/23/2005. From what I have read, this type of injury takes at least 9 months to fully recover from and in some cases a good bit longer. Tough situation for a player who will become an unrestricted free agent on March 3.
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msommer
Footballguy
I read the thread back in December - and it was old at the time so it cannot have been that one. Anyway, I am not up to spending two hours sifting through Ahman Green threads again to find it.You might have misread the post. I think this is it.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ahman Green has been suffering with tendonitis in his right knee as far back as college. He suffered a ruptured tendon in his right quadriceps on 10/23/2005. From what I have read, this type of injury takes at least 9 months to fully recover from and in some cases a good bit longer. Tough situation for a player who will become an unrestricted free agent on March 3.
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You must have been watching different GB games than I was. I am an avid GB fan, even though I live in DEN and am an avid DEN fan also (grew up in Milwaukee & had half of the Green & Gold package for a few years) - and so I watched every game last year (great excuse to go to the sports bar, like I need one
).I saw Gado being aimed at holes and saw little creation on his own.Don't misunderstand me, Gado performed admirably - even magnificently - given the circumstances. But a healthy Green is obviously much better than a healthy Gado. The numbers nor the game play doesn't bear out the opposing argument. Green was playing while badly injured until he just couldn't go any further.Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
I don't disagree with your "aimed at holes" assessment. But isn't a zone blocking offense one that values a back that can quickly aim at a hole and hit it fast? That's why I think Gado is suited very well for the new scheme, as it should play to his strengths.
Big Score
Footballguy
A healthy Green will be the starter, that I'm about 99.9% sure of.However, if Green doesn't recover or suffers another injury, considering how Gado ran last year, with basically no prep time and an unfamiliar blocking scheme, I would expect him to step in and do well with the zone blocking scheme, as that's the type of blocking system he's most familiar / comfortable with.
