Ahman Green (1 Viewer)

[Noahs Troopers]

I've been trying to figure out why Ahman Green still is getting some love on the forums and in the rankings. All of us FBGers should be ahead of the curve on situations like these that involve the starting RB of one of the 32 NFL teams, it should be the "Yahoo" guys out there that are making the rookie mistakes...

From everything I can see is Ahman Green is a non factor, a Robert Edwards/KiJana Carter type flyer for deep leagues at this point, basically he's an injured player who should be under the label "Stick a fork in him".

1. Ahman turns 30 in Feb.

2. Ahman had 255 yards rushing last season with 5 starts, thats a 51 yard per game average, this was before his injury...

3. Ahman scored zero TDS last year.

4. Ahman had a 3.3 YPC last season, undrafted rookie Gado had a 4.1 YPC.

5. Gado was used as a workhorse last season in his starts, getting many 20+ carry games, something Ahman didn't get. Gado found the end zone 7 times in the 6 games he had more than 6 touches.

6. Most importantly Ahman Greens injury is an injury that I have heard on numerous occasions and quoted from doctors "You do not ever fully recover from this injury" and "No football player has ever successfully came back from this injury".

If Ahman Green comes back and even could go for 1000 in a full 16 games I will bow down and admit I have seen a miricle and root for Comeback player of the year. The odds are stacked against Ahman Green very heavily and in all reality he should at this point be in the "Stick a fork in him" category unless a miricle is the expectation here????? If it was an expectation, it wouldn't be a miricle so I ask why are some FBGers (Forum and Staff) giving out all this Ahman love, expectation of a miricle? We're supposed to be the ones ahead of the curve here, I think alot are missing the boat on this one.

 

[David Yudkin]

I agree 100% and I don't see how he comes back anywhere near what he once was. He's one of my OVERVALUED players in a collective staff article that will be out soon.

But I will say that not many people have had the same injury, so maybe that's where people are holding out hope that he will return good as new.

 

[kwille]

I've been trying to figure out why Ahman Green still is getting some love on the forums and in the rankings. All of us FBGers should be ahead of the curve on situations like these that involve the starting RB of one of the 32 NFL teams, it should be the "Yahoo" guys out there that are making the rookie mistakes...

From everything I can see is Ahman Green is a non factor, a Robert Edwards/KiJana Carter type flyer for deep leagues at this point, basically he's an injured player who should be under the label "Stick a fork in him".

1. Ahman turns 30 in Feb.

2. Ahman had 255 yards rushing last season with 5 starts, thats a 51 yard per game average, this was before his injury...

3. Ahman scored zero TDS last year.

4. Ahman had a 3.3 YPC last season, undrafted rookie Gado had a 4.1 YPC.

5. Gado was used as a workhorse last season in his starts, getting many 20+ carry games, something Ahman didn't get. Gado found the end zone 7 times in games he had more than 6 touches.

6. Most importantly Ahman Greens injury is an injury that I have heard on numerous occasions and quoted from doctors "You do not ever fully recover from this injury" and "No football player has ever successfully came back from this injury".

If Ahman Green comes back and even could go for 1000 in a full 16 games I will bow down and admit I have seen a miricle and root for Comeback player of the year. The odds are stacked against Ahman Green very heavily and in all reality he should at this point be in the "Stick a fork in him" category unless a miricle is the expectation here????? If it was an expectation, it wouldn't be a miricle so I ask why are some FBGers (Forum and Staff) giving out all this Ahman love, expectation of a miricle? We're supposed to be the ones ahead of the curve here, I think alot are missing the boat on this one.

I'm a big Packers fan and I'm avoiding him. The injury was severe. Ahman signed a one year deal that makes it very easy for the team to cut him without taking a cap hit. There is alot of talk that Green and Davenport are fighting for a single roster spot. Healthier guy stays. Whoever wins the roster spot most likely will be part of a RBBC with Gado. If he makes the roster, Green will contribute some. But there are too many risks for me to count on him for anything more than a RB4.

 

[nightshift]

Gado is the smart play here. Buy him cheap or draft him late, stash him and forget about him 'til after the season begins.

Green & Davenport are both injury-prone. Green could start the season, but I highly doubt he will finish it as the starter.

 

[mbuehner]

Green Bay's backfield is one of those situations where you just cant even begin to speculate on who, if anyone, will see fantasy success this season. There are too many scenarios and no reason to value one above another at the moment. I'm waiting until things coalesce (if they do) before putting stock in any of em.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I've been trying to figure out why Ahman Green still is getting some love on the forums and in the rankings. All of us FBGers should be ahead of the curve on situations like these that involve the starting RB of one of the 32 NFL teams, it should be the "Yahoo" guys out there that are making the rookie mistakes...

From everything I can see is Ahman Green is a non factor, a Robert Edwards/KiJana Carter type flyer for deep leagues at this point, basically he's an injured player who should be under the label "Stick a fork in him".

1. Ahman turns 30 in Feb.

2. Ahman had 255 yards rushing last season with 5 starts, thats a 51 yard per game average, this was before his injury...

3. Ahman scored zero TDS last year.

4. Ahman had a 3.3 YPC last season, undrafted rookie Gado had a 4.1 YPC.

5. Gado was used as a workhorse last season in his starts, getting many 20+ carry games, something Ahman didn't get. Gado found the end zone 7 times in the 6 games he had more than 6 touches.

6. Most importantly Ahman Greens injury is an injury that I have heard on numerous occasions and quoted from doctors "You do not ever fully recover from this injury" and "No football player has ever successfully came back from this injury".

If Ahman Green comes back and even could go for 1000 in a full 16 games I will bow down and admit I have seen a miricle and root for Comeback player of the year. The odds are stacked against Ahman Green very heavily and in all reality he should at this point be in the "Stick a fork in him" category unless a miricle is the expectation here????? If it was an expectation, it wouldn't be a miricle so I ask why are some FBGers (Forum and Staff) giving out all this Ahman love, expectation of a miricle? We're supposed to be the ones ahead of the curve here, I think alot are missing the boat on this one.

I also agree that Gado will be the play in Green Bay this year.

 

[MLBrandow]

News: The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports Ahman Green isn't a lock to make the Packers.

Impact: Finally, a real assestment from the Green Bay media about Green. "It remains to be seen when Green will return during training camp. And it's a greater mystery if he can fully recover from such a brutal (quadriceps) injury," the paper writes. He could fight Najeh Davenport for a roster spot. (Tue. Jun 20, 2006)

Month old speculation is not grounds for continued speculation IMO.

I'll play a wait and see.

If Green was done, why does every FBG predict he splits time with Gado and posts nearly identical numbers as each other?

Green and Gado are not going to split time folks.

Davenport and Green/Gado might, but guys with the same running styles don't split carries.

One of these guys is going to be a steal, and my vote is Green, since the coaching staff has already said several times that Green is their man if and when he's healthy.

The success rate is about 50%, not "never". It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

The success rate is about 50%, not "never". It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

From what I have read many times is that "The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place".

I'm not saying that I'm right, that's just what has been written over and over and over, it's 50% that he can make it back and stink, other 50% is he never makes it back at all.

 

[David Yudkin]

The success rate is about 50%, not "never". It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

From what I have seen (again with limited occurances), the torn quad injury has a huge majority of cases where players came back but were never 100% again compared to their previous playing ability.Now, the question then becomes what % of Ahman Green is still an NFL starting RB? 95%? 90%? 80%? And how well he can run, cut, juke, endure tackles, etc. is a big question mark at this point since he hasn't been on the field and still has to wait until August at the earliest to do so.I don't know if being a stud athlete helps or hurts Green in this case, as being an elite athlete could mean that he is in better shape (and in theory would heal better). But being an elite talent also means he has a lot further to get to to remain an elite athlete, so it may just be a wash.

 

[mbuehner]

Its especially bad for a RB, leg drive is their bread and butter. Ignore those guys at the combine with the huge guns and keep an eye on the ones with legs thicker than your torso.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

I'm beginning to wonder if people are under the impression that Green has a 50% chance of returning and returning as his former self, this would make sense why some are still clinging to hope. Once they know that it's 50% that he can return but not be nearly as good I would hope only a "Yahoo" guy wouldn't stick the fork in him. I would expect more from knowledgable FBG posters and staff to not waste a high draft pick on a guy hoping he makes medical history given the fact that he's almost 30 and plays on a horrible team. (No offense packer fans)

 

[MLBrandow]

I'm beginning to wonder if people are under the impression that Green has a 50% chance of returning and returning as his former self, this would make sense why some are still clinging to hope. Once they know that it's 50% that he can return but not be nearly as good I would hope only a "Yahoo" guy wouldn't stick the fork in him. I would expect more from knowledgable FBG posters and staff to not waste a high draft pick on a guy hoping he makes medical history given the fact that he's almost 30 and plays on a horrible team. (No offense packer fans)

There's a good chance I may have just misread.That does change things considerably.

Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a doctor!

 

[oukurt]

Fluff piece.

 

[Mik789fl]

One of my cardinal rules entering a FF season is to never let personal bias or prejudice get the way of playing the game. While Green should be approached with caution to say he is "finished" at this point in time is doing yourself an injustice. Green is a prime example this year why you should keep an eye on training camp and the pre-season games. He is a player to watch in the next few weeks. He may not be a viable fantasy option this year,but then again,he may be a "steal" late in a draft. To write him off before training camp even begins,imop,is bad judgement.

 

[nygiants56]

he was lousy last year, long before the injury..even with a good quad, I'm not targeting him.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

One of my cardinal rules entering a FF season is to never let personal bias or prejudice get the way of playing the game. While Green should be approached with caution to say he is "finished" at this point in time is doing yourself an injustice. Green is a prime example this year why you should keep an eye on training camp and the pre-season games. He is a player to watch in the next few weeks. He may not be a viable fantasy option this year,but then again,he may be a "steal" late in a draft. To write him off before training camp even begins,imop,is bad judgement.

I hear you loud and clear, I don't agree but do hear you. Maybe you didn't realize this but Ahman isn't going to start practicing until Mid August, so it's going to be pretty difficult to assess anything about him in the next few weeks. Yes, it's that bad. By the way i have no personal bias or prejudice against Ahman Green, the injury and fact nobody comes back to the same level is why I think he's finished, He could come back to his regular self and if he does then he is making history, I never put any eggs in the making history basket, making history is too difficult to predict and your chances of making a guess is about as likely as winning the lottery.

 

[jurb26]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be. Those other guys suck. Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about. Nothing more nothing less. There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year. Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

 

[Bojang0301]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be. Those other guys suck. Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about. Nothing more nothing less. There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year. Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

 

[jurb26]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be. Those other guys suck. Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about. Nothing more nothing less. There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year. Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

Gado is severly overrated.

 

[ATC1]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be. Those other guys suck. Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about. Nothing more nothing less. There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year. Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

How can you compared the stats of Green and Gado last year and say that. As stated before these two have similar rushing styles, so defenses did not just ease up on run blocking with Gado there. Gado has so much raw talent, that he will only get better after camp. He will learn the offense and be a solid RB. If he is smart enough to be a doctor, he is smart enough to pick a lane of blockers and run through it. Excelnt thread and I agree with Green being done and possibly getting cut. He will not get any reps with the new offensive scheme the entire preseason.

 

[Bojang0301]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be.  Those other guys suck.  Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about.  Nothing more nothing less.  There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year.  Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

Gado is severly overrated.

Me thinks not...Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

2005 Green Bay Packers 8 5 143 582 4.1 64 6 3 29

November Rushing Receiving Fumbles

GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD

11/06 PIT L 10-20 No 26 62 2.4 10 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0 0 0

11/13 @ATL W 33-25 Yes 25 103 4.1 17 2 4 5 1.3 10 1 2 0 0 0

11/21 MIN L 17-20 Yes 10 7 0.7 6 0 1 30 30.0 30 0 1 0 0 0

11/27 @PHI L 14-19 No 26 111 4.3 33 1 1 11 11.0 11 0 1 0 0 0

December Rushing Receiving Fumbles

GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD

12/04 @CHI L 7-19 Yes 20 75 3.8 13 1 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0 0 0

12/11 DET W 16-13 Yes 29 171 5.9 64 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0 0 0

12/19 @BAL L 3-48 Yes 6 45 7.5 26 0 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 0

He ran hard when I watched him against Pitt... I sure wouldn't mind having him on there squad givin the power and speed he often times showed.

Oh, and P.S. a 109 ADP... hardly overrated, IMO.

 

[jurb26]

He ran hard when I watched him against Pitt... I sure wouldn't mind having him on there squad givin the power and speed he often times showed.

Well no kidding seeing that he only had 1 season and career carry before then and this was week 9 of the NFL season I would expect him to possess fresh legs and run as hard as possible. This guy was playing for a job, literally. NEedless to say I watched the game and wasn't impressed. To each his own.

 

[jurb26]

Oh, and P.S. a 109 ADP... hardly overrated, IMO.

This board is severly overrating his talent IMO.

 

[Banger]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be.  Those other guys suck.  Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about.  Nothing more nothing less.  There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year.  Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

Gado is severly overrated.

agreed, Gado was in the right place at the right time last year. Every RB was hurt Green, Fisher, Davenport, etc. so they turned to the practice squad guy to get all the carries. He was a workhorse but I wouldn't expect lightning to strike twice with him.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I see little reason to roster any of these guys this year. Green Bay looks to have a terrible offensive line again with two rookie guards starting. RBBC seems like a strong possibility, but even if there was a clear-cut starter, I don't think I'd want him as anything more than a RB3.

 

[Banger]

I see little reason to roster any of these guys this year. Green Bay looks to have a terrible offensive line again with two rookie guards starting. RBBC seems like a strong possibility, but even if there was a clear-cut starter, I don't think I'd want him as anything more than a RB3.

one thing to keep in mind though is that GB has the most "easy" games on the Ultimate SOS with 9. So if someone does emerge there's a good chance they can be productive.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be.  Those other guys suck.  Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about.  Nothing more nothing less.  There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year.  Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

Gado is severly overrated.

agreed, Gado was in the right place at the right time last year. Every RB was hurt Green, Fisher, Davenport, etc. so they turned to the practice squad guy to get all the carries. He was a workhorse but I wouldn't expect lightning to strike twice with him.

But at this point, what has changed? Green and Davenport are still hurt, and Herron is the only real competition.

 

[Banger]

He is still the best RB on the team even if that is at half of what he used to be.  Those other guys suck.  Green will be the lead RB in GB, that is what the love is about.  Nothing more nothing less.  There is a reason several people are speculating that GB drafts either Peterson or Lynch next year.  Green is hitting the end and the other guys just are not very good.

Gado down?

Gado is severly overrated.

agreed, Gado was in the right place at the right time last year. Every RB was hurt Green, Fisher, Davenport, etc. so they turned to the practice squad guy to get all the carries. He was a workhorse but I wouldn't expect lightning to strike twice with him.

But at this point, what has changed? Green and Davenport are still hurt, and Herron is the only real competition.

I'm going under the assumption that they will return. If not, that's a different scenario....

 

[Biabreakable]

Where is this reported medical evidence that if Green does come back from the quadriceps injury that he will not have the same ability that he had before it?

Good thread Noahs Troopers but I would like a link to these comments you are paraphrasing. I must have missed that statement when reading about the injury.

People have been down on Ahman Green before and he came back strong and made those who overlooked him regret it. So until I see more concrete evidence that athletes do not recover to previous health and ability from this injury, I dont think it will be quite as astounding as the parting of the Red Sea if Ahman does it.

No Rb had recovered from a ACL and had a good season before Terry Allen did it either. But now recovery from this has been accomplished by Jamal Lewis (twice) and Edge.

So what makes Ahman Greens injury any different?

 

[Marc Levin]

because he's "only" 30 and, even though he sufferds injuries every year, he is the most talented back on their roster.

It is HARD to imagine Favre and Green not on the field at the same time if Greenb is healthy, which looks to be the case:

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_26546089.shtml

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...s-bears-utility

 

[Marc Levin]

The success rate is about 50%, not "never".  It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

From what I have read many times is that "The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place".

I'm not saying that I'm right, that's just what has been written over and over and over, it's 50% that he can make it back and stink, other 50% is he never makes it back at all.

I'd like to see that information.My understanding is that it is something like 50% of ALL PEOPLE - not just athetes - are able to "return to their pre-injury activity level."

Athletes are a different breed than regular folks re: pain tolerance, body healing, and ability to rehab their injuries (since it is their whole life). I don't think very many have had the type of injury AGreen had.

 

[joffer]

The success rate is about 50%, not "never".  It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

From what I have read many times is that "The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place".

I'm not saying that I'm right, that's just what has been written over and over and over, it's 50% that he can make it back and stink, other 50% is he never makes it back at all.

I'd like to see that information.My understanding is that it is something like 50% of ALL PEOPLE - not just athetes - are able to "return to their pre-injury activity level."

Athletes are a different breed than regular folks re: pain tolerance, body healing, and ability to rehab their injuries (since it is their whole life). I don't think very many have had the type of injury AGreen had.

athletes also depend on the strength of the tendon a lot more than regular people

 

[joffer]

check out the post by Big Score in this thread

 

[jurb26]

The success rate is about 50%, not "never". It's not a terribly common injury, despite the irony of it happening to two GB linemen.

From what I have read many times is that "The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place".

I'm not saying that I'm right, that's just what has been written over and over and over, it's 50% that he can make it back and stink, other 50% is he never makes it back at all.

I'd like to see that information.My understanding is that it is something like 50% of ALL PEOPLE - not just athetes - are able to "return to their pre-injury activity level."

Athletes are a different breed than regular folks re: pain tolerance, body healing, and ability to rehab their injuries (since it is their whole life). I don't think very many have had the type of injury AGreen had.

athletes also depend on the strength of the tendon a lot more than regular people

If I'm not mistaken athlets tendons are also much thicker and stronger than normal peoples due to the constant use.I have no idea where I heard that and very well could be wrong, so don't bother asking for a link.

 

[Marc Levin]

athletes also depend on the strength of the tendon a lot more than regular people

If I'm not mistaken athlets tendons are also much thicker and stronger than normal peoples due to the constant use.I have no idea where I heard that and very well could be wrong, so don't bother asking for a link.

this is a chicken and egg argument - athletes most CERTAINLY depend on their tendons than most people. Athletes ALSO have thicker and stronger tendons because they WORK ON STRENGTHENING THEM.It is, IMO, a totally irrelevant argument.

That's like saying athletes rely on their ACL's more than regular people (who don't even NEED their ACL's to return to pre-injury activity as long as they don't do cutting sports like basketball and skiing)

 

[Sabertooth]

I've been trying to figure out why Ahman Green still is getting some love on the forums and in the rankings. All of us FBGers should be ahead of the curve on situations like these that involve the starting RB of one of the 32 NFL teams, it should be the "Yahoo" guys out there that are making the rookie mistakes...

From everything I can see is Ahman Green is a non factor, a Robert Edwards/KiJana Carter type flyer for deep leagues at this point, basically he's an injured player who should be under the label "Stick a fork in him".

1. Ahman turns 30 in Feb.

2. Ahman had 255 yards rushing last season with 5 starts, thats a 51 yard per game average, this was before his injury...

3. Ahman scored zero TDS last year.

4. Ahman had a 3.3 YPC last season, undrafted rookie Gado had a 4.1 YPC.

5. Gado was used as a workhorse last season in his starts, getting many 20+ carry games, something Ahman didn't get. Gado found the end zone 7 times in the 6 games he had more than 6 touches.

6. Most importantly Ahman Greens injury is an injury that I have heard on numerous occasions and quoted from doctors "You do not ever fully recover from this injury" and "No football player has ever successfully came back from this injury".

If Ahman Green comes back and even could go for 1000 in a full 16 games I will bow down and admit I have seen a miricle and root for Comeback player of the year. The odds are stacked against Ahman Green very heavily and in all reality he should at this point be in the "Stick a fork in him" category unless a miricle is the expectation here????? If it was an expectation, it wouldn't be a miricle so I ask why are some FBGers (Forum and Staff) giving out all this Ahman love, expectation of a miricle? We're supposed to be the ones ahead of the curve here, I think alot are missing the boat on this one.

He'll also only be 32 in Feb 2009.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

I haven't heard any bad news about Green lately, so I'd say Green is the frontrunner currently.

The bad news was immediately upon the diagnosis of his injury being a quadriceps tendon tear.Here are some medical facts surrounding quadriceps tendon tears.

If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.

pediatrics.about.com

Most patients can return to their previous occupations, but many cannot return to their preinjury activity level.

In a large study, Konrath and associates found that 83% of patients returned to their previous occupations, 51% were unable to return to their preinjury activity levels, and 53% had persistent quadriceps strength deficits (>20% compared with the uninjured leg).

Quadriceps Tendon Rupture - PrognosisFrom the above, there is no doubt that a quadriceps tendon tear, is a serious injury. The odds of a person returning to 100% preinjury capability are less than 50%. :(

 

[Marc Levin]

noahs - you proved our point that you are mis-quoting the meds of this issue. Big Score provided some GREAT info in that thread - which applies to REGULAR FOLKS - not specifically to athletes - so your statement above is inaccurate:

The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

noahs - you proved our point that you are mis-quoting the meds of this issue. Big Score provided some GREAT info in that thread - which applies to REGULAR FOLKS - not specifically to athletes - so your statement above is inaccurate:

The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place.

Someone posted this link so I quoted this one, this is only 1 of about 4 that I've seen about Ahmans injury. I could go find the other ones when time permits, I do recall specifically about Football players and even more specifically NFL football players not coming back at the same level from this injury.

 

[Marc Levin]

noahs - you proved our point that you are mis-quoting the meds of this issue. Big Score provided some GREAT info in that thread - which applies to REGULAR FOLKS - not specifically to athletes - so your statement above is inaccurate:

The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place.

Someone posted this link so I quoted this one, this is only 1 of about 4 that I've seen about Ahmans injury. I could go find the other ones when time permits, I do recall specifically about Football players and even more specifically NFL football players not coming back at the same level from this injury.

your statement above ALSO implies that 100% of athletes either never make it back or never make it back to the player they were - that would be a 100% failure rate - IOW, the injury would be 100% career threatening in every case where it occurs.That is CLEARLY a misstatement.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

noahs - you proved our point that you are mis-quoting the meds of this issue. Big Score provided some GREAT info in that thread - which applies to REGULAR FOLKS - not specifically to athletes - so your statement above is inaccurate:

The success rate is about 50% that the player can come back and not be nearly the player they once were and fade out of the NFL and the other 50% never make it back in the first place.

Someone posted this link so I quoted this one, this is only 1 of about 4 that I've seen about Ahmans injury. I could go find the other ones when time permits, I do recall specifically about Football players and even more specifically NFL football players not coming back at the same level from this injury.

your statement above ALSO implies that 100% of athletes either never make it back or never make it back to the player they were - that would be a 100% failure rate

Pretty much what i do in fact recall reading....

 

[Marc Levin]

need a link for that one, noah - or at least the place where you saw that.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

need a link for that one, noah - or at least the place where you saw that.

Somewhere on this site (I think, not 100% sure) , I'll look for it... Could be up to 4 months old. This wasn't yesterday I read this, my memory isn't playing a trick on me though.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Dave Baker and I were discussing this a few weeks back when he was preparing Ahman Green's face-off.My research had some of the same information that Big Score was able to find. My main concern is that the injury could have been the progression of a degenerative condition. Just speculation though. Here's the text of the email I sent him.

Green tore a quadriceps tendon. It's an interesting injury in that most orthopedic texts suggest it to be an injury that occurs most often in people over 40 and is frequently associated with some degenerative condition around the knee (where the tendon inserts). However, where this kind of injury was pretty unusual in the NFL ten years ago, it seems to be happening with increasing frequency over the past five years. Probably a result of today's bigger players and bulkier physiques. DT Santana Dotson and LB Rob Morris are a couple of guys who suffered similar injuries - Dotson's injury pretty much ended his career. Whether Morris would have amounted to anything after his injury we'll never know. What bothers me most about Green is that he apparently had tendinitis in those quad muscles intermittenly since college, which could be a sign of a degenerative condition. Orthopedic sources suggest that 50% of people have some long-term weakness and atrophy of the affected muscle post-operatively but that repeat rupture is rare (which differs from Achilles ruptures where the risk of re-injury is somewhere between 4-6%. The same sources note that 50% of people are not able to return to their pre-rupture level of function. With the medical care/rehab available to him, Green is much more likely to fall into the 50% who do fully recover, but I'm bugged about the chronic tendinitis problem. He's not expected to be cleared for contact until August at the earliest despite being "well ahead of schedule" with his rehab. I don't think I'd be making any major investment in him. I grabbed him at a league minimum salary late last year to stash, but I think he'll be a pleasant surprise at best.

 

[Marc Levin]

excellent info, Jene.

along the lines of the info you provided, I am definitely not advocating selling out for Green in a current draft, but he is a mid-draft RB who, IMO, will have the bulk of the PT for the Packers from the RB spot if he is able to play at all this year.

I def. think the truth will come out once the players start hitting each other. He will eaither be able to go and take the hits or he won't - if he is the Pack's starting back, he should be good for 250 carries and 40-50 rec. - and he should put up decent RB2 numbers.

before he left last year, he was on pace for the most targets he's had in the last 4 years - his fantasy worth is as a double threat back who Favre targets in the red zone.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Here are some other players that have had the same injury(some torn quadriceps are more serious than others, from what I have read.

Mike McCoy, Packers cb, 10/30/83. Never played again. Tore it again 7/23/84.

Santana Dotson, Packers dt, 11/27/00. Played 16 games in 2001. that was it.

Steve Warren, Packers dt, 12/03/00. Missed all of 2001, played 12 games in 2002. That was it.

Darrell Ashmore, Raiders og, 08/06/02. Never played again.

Brandon Christenson, Raiders te, 1/2003 during playoff game. Never played again.

Frank Middleton, Raiders og, 10/12/03. Played 7 games in 2004. That was it.

Joe Johnson, Packers de, 08/2003. Never played again.

Leon Searcy, Jaguars ol, 2000 training camp. Never played again.

Lawrence Smith, Bills ot, 08/2005. ????????

Tank Johnson, Bears dt, 03/2006. ????????

Kevin Barry, Packers og, 05/2006. ????????

Brett Conway, Skins k, 09/2002. Played 8 games in 2003. That was it.

 

[Marc Levin]

scary history for that injury - this must be what noahs troopers was referring to above.

 

[gman8343]

Great thread & info, guys.

 

[PACKER 7]

I suppose it's okay to add opinion to this thread, good topic btw.

My personal opinion or what makes me think the Packers are not worried that Ahman will be back is the fact they didn't draft a single RB.

I know they have Gado, and all the Gado lovers can come out now, but come on this guy was the 5th string RB. Does everyone really believe the Packers wanted to tie their horses to Gado. I don't think so.

Also would Favre have come back to a mess like this if he thought that Green wasn't coming back? I don't think so either. Especially given the fact that GB made no significant free agent moves on the offensive side of the ball. OK Marc Boerigter fans can hate me now too.

Anyways, it seems that this injury is very severe in nature and it takes one heck of a rehab to come back from this, but I can't believe that GB doesn't have some certainty about Green's ability to perform this season given the above factors that I mentioned.

OK, just thought I'd throw some opinion out there. Everyone's got one.

 

[Marc Levin]

Also would Favre have come back to a mess like this if he thought that Green wasn't coming back? I don't think so either.

Good point - and one I hinted at above when I said it was an unlikely scenario for Favre and Green not to both be on he field if Green was available and healthy enough to play.