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This guy could be a STEAL!

He is coming off a season where he still eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark in GB playing behind a very green (no pun intended) offensive line, and Gary Kubiak is in Houston entering the team's second season of the famed Denver zone blocking system. Green Bay also runs a zone blocking scheme so there will be no learning curve for Ahaman Green like there is for many veteran RBs the first time they play in it.

Now as the thread title says, Houston's line should be much improved being that it is their 2nd year in the system and they are rolling out an experience bunch:

LT - Salaam - Has started 113 of 125 career games and has played for both Denver during the Clinton Portis years and Atlanta during Warrick Dunn's zone blocking resurgence. The guy knows how to block in a zone blocking scheme and has played under Kubiak for multiple seasons spread across two teams.

LG - Pitts - Big but athletic dude at 320 lbs who was a 2nd round draft choice in 2002. Started all 80 games the Houston Texans franchise has ever played in.

C - Flanagan - 12 year NFL veteran who started at center for some very good Green Bay offensive lines in the late 90's before playing very well for the Carolina Panthers before joining the Texans last season. Started the 1st half of the season but then ended up on IR. He is very good when he plays but does find himself on IR quite often.

RG - Weary - He has started 31 of 51 career games in Houston and was a 3rd round choice in 2002.

RT - Winston - Was a 3rd round rookie last season who showed a ton of promise starting the last 7 games of the season when incumbent starter Zach Weigert went down with a knee injury. From all I've heard, Texans' fans really like this guy.

So, as discussed, all 5 starters from last season are returning and not one of them (well, maybe Winston) is a bright-eyed young player. These guys are all veteran starters running a Gary Kubiak system they are now familar with. And, to take this a step further, they have quality depth also:

T - Jordan Black who started 15 games for KC last season.

C/G - Steve McKinney - Has played in all 80 games of the Houston Texans' franchise starting 64 of the 80.

C/G - Drew Hodgon - Started 7 games last season when center Mike Flanagan was placed on IR.

Houston has a great system, a proven NFL back coming off of a 1,000 yard season (who Mike Sherman has said has never looked better), and they have both experience and some quality on their starting offensive line, and their backup offensive line should they be bit by the injury bug.

Ahman Green is being vastly underrated these days. :D

 
It's great when a line returns everybody but was Houston's so good that you want everyone to return?

I don't figure Salaam starts all 16 games, in fact feel like checking the depth chart. Once that LT spot blows up lines can often times go into shambles with a whole domino effect.

 
Consistency is a very underrated thing. Look at the Packers a few years back. When that line really gelled, Ahman ripped off 1800 yards rushing. When injuries and free agency took their toll, he was closer to 1200.

 
I would put my money on Dayne more then Green ( Green is a injury waiting to happen ).

I would compare this situation to the Cowboys situation Dayne will get in the game inside the 20 and score more TD's then Green plus by week 5 or 6 he will take over ( No one cant deny how good Dayne played last season ).

 
Bri said:
It's great when a line returns everybody but was Houston's so good that you want everyone to return?
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I would take an averagely talented, well coached oline when all the starters are experienced at their position and are experienced playing together than a piecemeal oline put together on the offseason consisting of FAs and high draft picks.That's for year 1 at least. I think Ahman will be solid this year if he has anything left.
 
Historically, the run blocking even under the previous staff was never the problem in Houston, but pass protection. 2006 the OL was servicable, an improvement from the 2005 disaster, but still a distance away from being good. I suspect that it will make some improvement from 2006, and will at least look better with Schaub being significantly better at pocket presence than the previous guy.

A few notes

LT Charles Spencer is on PUP and if healthy will eventually take over for Salaam the later portion of the year.

Jordan Black has not had a very good camp overall if the reports are correct that I am hearing.

There is actually a battle between McKinney and Flanagan for the center position.

 
Bri said:
It's great when a line returns everybody but was Houston's so good that you want everyone to return?I don't figure Salaam starts all 16 games, in fact feel like checking the depth chart. Once that LT spot blows up lines can often times go into shambles with a whole domino effect.
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Salaam is actually the back-up LT. Charles Spencer won the starting job last season and went down with a broken leg in Week 2. He is on PUP and should hopefully return in week 7. Also, according to Kubiak, the battle at C between Flanagan and McKinney is "wide open," but McKinney is starting this week against Dallas and given his play last season and so far this season, it should be his job to lose.
 
Stewy said:
Bri said:
It's great when a line returns everybody but was Houston's so good that you want everyone to return?I don't figure Salaam starts all 16 games, in fact feel like checking the depth chart. Once that LT spot blows up lines can often times go into shambles with a whole domino effect.
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Salaam is actually the back-up LT. Charles Spencer won the starting job last season and went down with a broken leg in Week 2. He is on PUP and should hopefully return in week 7. Also, according to Kubiak, the battle at C between Flanagan and McKinney is "wide open," but McKinney is starting this week against Dallas and given his play last season and so far this season, it should be his job to lose.
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McKinney started the last 7 games of last season also, so even if he wins the job, I wouldn't be worried.
 
Traders2001 said:
I would put my money on Dayne more then Green ( Green is a injury waiting to happen ).I would compare this situation to the Cowboys situation Dayne will get in the game inside the 20 and score more TD's then Green plus by week 5 or 6 he will take over ( No one cant deny how good Dayne played last season ).
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If Dayne really played that well last year why sign Ahman and make him the starter?
 
Justice will never be a LT right?

He's "just" a RT?

It would seem he could solidify things for them as many teams (IMO) take care of the RT spot with journeymen and really sorta downplay it's significance

 
ICWT10 said:
LT - Salaam - Has started 113 of 125 career games and has played for both Denver during the Clinton Portis years and Atlanta during Warrick Dunn's zone blocking resurgence.
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I think you've got your time line a little mixed up here. Salaam was gone from Atlanta before Warrick Dunn ever got there.Salaam did play two years in Denver's Zone Blocking system though.

 
Bri said:
Justice will never be a LT right?He's "just" a RT?It would seem he could solidify things for them as many teams (IMO) take care of the RT spot with journeymen and really sorta downplay it's significance
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Who is Justice?
 
I think the general point here is that whoever's the starting RB for Houston is.....they represent some value.

The Texans weren't a bad rushing team last year at all, especially when you consider they play from behind a lot. If they can add a little consistency with the passing game, they could represent some real value at the RB position.

I've been cool on ahman green so far but am getting a little more intrigued with him. I can't help but think of some of those big games Dayne had towards the end of last season though and think he'll somehow be involved again.

 
How does the defense look? Their play will have a lot to do with how big of a season Ahman has.

Fortunately Ahman is also an excellent receiver and short yardage guy so he should get the vast majority of Houston's RB touches however limited those may be.

 
msommer said:
Traders2001 said:
I would put my money on Dayne more then Green ( Green is a injury waiting to happen ).I would compare this situation to the Cowboys situation Dayne will get in the game inside the 20 and score more TD's then Green plus by week 5 or 6 he will take over ( No one cant deny how good Dayne played last season ).
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If Dayne really played that well last year why sign Ahman and make him the starter?
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My exact thoughts. Never understood this argument against Green. Dayne will of course still some touches, but no more than the average backup RB. And I have yet to see anything to indicate he will be exclusive goal line back.
 
Chaka said:
How does the defense look? Their play will have a lot to do with how big of a season Ahman has.Fortunately Ahman is also an excellent receiver and short yardage guy so he should get the vast majority of Houston's RB touches however limited those may be.
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The starting defense has gotten little to no pressure on the QB, despite 4 first rounders. The secondary has allowed a high completion percentage in both preseason games.
 
coolnerd said:
Chaka said:
How does the defense look? Their play will have a lot to do with how big of a season Ahman has.Fortunately Ahman is also an excellent receiver and short yardage guy so he should get the vast majority of Houston's RB touches however limited those may be.
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The starting defense has gotten little to no pressure on the QB, despite 4 first rounders. The secondary has allowed a high completion percentage in both preseason games.
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I expect they'll be OK by midseason. They have "too much" youth and/or inexperience. Once they get it going, Demeco could actually bring his game to another level which would be something to see. I don't think it's possible he improves that much(already excellent) without the Dline's help.My prediction is Texans D will be most improved
 
Confident Lundy is better than people think.

No clue where he fits in to the mix but....he fits in

 
Traders2001 said:
I would put my money on Dayne more then Green ( Green is a injury waiting to happen ).

I would compare this situation to the Cowboys situation Dayne will get in the game inside the 20 and score more TD's then Green plus by week 5 or 6 he will take over ( No one cant deny how good Dayne played last season ).
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Bwahhhhhhh!!!!!!Making a donation to your league this year I see.

Dayne is total donkey dung. Please. TO even have him in the same sentence as Ahman green is blasphemy!!!

Ahman Green for the $$$$$

 
Bri said:
coolnerd said:
Bri said:
Justice will never be a LT right?He's "just" a RT?It would seem he could solidify things for them as many teams (IMO) take care of the RT spot with journeymen and really sorta downplay it's significance
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Who is Justice?
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Ya know.....I did that all last summer tooEric Winston and Winston Justice right?Grrr
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Makes sense I forgot about that other guy. To answer the question, they would rather just leave Winston at RT, but if they have trouble on the left side it is not out of the question. I don't think Eric has worked very much, if any at LT in this off-season.
 
Bri said:
Confident Lundy is better than people think.

No clue where he fits in to the mix but....he fits in
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Oh boy...get those Wali Lundy threads going again.Against Morency, ok he was a viable sleeper last season...against a world class pro bowler and proven hp stud like Ahman Green? He will be giving Ahman his water bottle on the sidelines when he needs a breather this season.

Not saying Green will be all world this season but he will be a super solid RB2 in HP.

1400 total yards 40 receptions 8 TD's.

Great value this year.

 
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Todem said:
Bri said:
Confident Lundy is better than people think.

No clue where he fits in to the mix but....he fits in
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Oh boy...get those Wali Lundy threads going again.Against Morency, ok he was a viable sleeper last season...against a world class pro bowler and proven hp stud like Ahman Green? He will be giving Ahman his water bottle on the sidelines when he needs a breather this season.

Not saying Green will be all world this season but he will be a super solid RB2 in HP.

1400 total yards 40 receptions 8 TD's.

Great value this year.
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Cmon nowI specifically said I have no clue where he fits in but he'll fit in.

There's no will surpass Green or anything far fetched in my post.

He has shown some nice hands and moves/vision at times. At other times he looks like a guy running into a wall. There's been some nice reports about him from TC.

I think he could be a nice 3rd down back and if Green goes down possibly he and Dayne are 1a 1b.

He went from sleeper to forgotten, I'm only saying he's decent.

I do, however, think that if this Texans team is like previous Texans teams that he might be more likely to play than Ahman and Dayne in the come from behind/down by 20/ prayer offense. IF IF IF IF That's the case, I could see him getting 30-40 yards and 20-30 yards receiving later in games. After all, last year, it was real easy to dump off to the RB when Andre is getting smotherred in that O. They probably wanna see what he can do, game is over etc. I don't foresee Ahman in that O.

 
I don't see how Lundy fits in without an injury to Ahman. There is nothing Lundy does that Ahman doesn't do better.

 
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