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AJ Hawk invisible in first preseason rumblings out of GB as well (1 Viewer)

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I watched Hawk for most of the time he was on the field and he was totally invisible. Abdul Hodge was the guy I noticed from the LB corps. I expected AJ to be all over the field and he just looked like another guy out there. I know it's early, but I'm a little worried about how AJ is progressing.I think he will give the effort to become at least a good starter. My one concern with him is something a few NFL scouts had is his size. He's only 6'1. Not small, but most of the linebackers today are in the 6'3 range. He's got all the intangibles, but he mastered the Ohio State defense. He needs time to master the Packers defense. I kind of expected Hawk to make better plays then he has... He was rarely around the ball and seemed to have difficulty getting off blocks (which was the one criticism I heard about AJ prior to the draft). He also looked pretty thin in the lower body to me. I hope he will do alot better by the season. I guess we will see...

From jsonline.comIf linebacker coach Winston Moss has been at all disappointed in rookie A.J. Hawk’s play to this point, he isn’t willing to admit it, at least not publicly. Moss said he sees a “very talented player” with some pop to his game. “He has all the tools,” said Moss. “He’s still learning the defense. Once he settles down, people are going to be pleased.”But after 15 practices, Hawk hasn’t stuck out in a way that you’d expect from the fifth pick in the draft. Third-round choice Abdul Hodge seems to have more snap to his game, at least to this point. The big-time hitters at linebacker have a knack for rolling their hips and striking with such force that they’ll even jolt a 300-plus pound lineman. If Hawk has that kind of explosiveness, it hasn’t been apparent from the sidelines. More often, he seems to get engulfed with blockers and even take bad angles to the ball. And like most rookies, Hawk has struggled with pass coverage.Maybe there’s no reason for alarm at this point. Maybe Moss is right, that it will only be a matter of time before Hawk starts making people take notice. After all, Moss has an up-close look on the field and then watches every practice over again on tape. Moreover, Hawk hasn’t even played an exhibition game yet. But fifth picks in the draft are supposed to be special players; players who jump out on the practice field. And so far, Hawk has been hard to find. Not only is he short at 6-foot-1, but he also looks light in the shorts
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gocats said:
I think he will give the effort to become at least a good starter. My one concern with him is something a few NFL scouts had is his size. He's only 6'1. Not small, but most of the linebackers today are in the 6'3 range. He's got all the intangibles, but he mastered the Ohio State defense. He needs time to master the Packers defense.
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See Lofa Tatupu. He's not gonna go into his first NFL action ever and be a gangbuster.....give him time.
 
The only bad play I saw, was when Gates made him look like a rookie covering a Pro Bowl TE.

 
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A.J. Hawk is finding out that the learning curve in the NFL is steep. He has struggled with his pass defense and is adjusting to the size of the big uglies who are trying to block him. His early progress was effected by the late graduation of Ohio State and due to NFL rules in this area he missed some mini-camps.

In the Packers scrimmage game Hawk struggled. During the first preseason game against the Chargers A.J. was burned on one of the very first plays trying to cover Antonio Gates. As the game progressed he looked much more comfortable than he has at any other time since training camp began. He took snaps with the 1st team defense and stayed on the field when the 2nd team defense entered the game.

The two things that really stand out with A.J. Hawk right now: He needs to improve his ability in coverage and he has a knack for being around the ball. "gocats" might be mistaken because A.J. Hawk has had his struggles but he is constantly around the ball. As soon as he starts reacting instead of thinking out there he will have plenty of opportunities to create turnovers and big plays with his nose for the ball and speed.

 
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Looks like another Andy Katzenmoyer to me. I liked Chad Greenway a lot more than A.J. Hawk. Ernie Sims looks pretty good as well.

 
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:

 
I'm not worried about the fact that AJ got burned in his first preeason action trying to cover Gates. Even experienced pro-bowl LB's can't cover Gates.

 
TwinTurbo said:
Looks like another Andy Katzenmoyer to me. I liked Chad Greenway a lot more than A.J. Hawk. Ernie Sims looks pretty good as well.
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Why because they went to Ohio State? AJ Hawk is an outside linebacker and Katzenmoyer was a MLB. BTW, Greenway is out for the year with a knee injury.
 
dloew said:
TwinTurbo said:
Looks like another Andy Katzenmoyer to me. I liked Chad Greenway a lot more than A.J. Hawk. Ernie Sims looks pretty good as well.
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Why because they went to Ohio State? AJ Hawk is an outside linebacker and Katzenmoyer was a MLB. BTW, Greenway is out for the year with a knee injury.
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No because I think he will be a bust. As for Greenway, his injury is unfortunate. He was looking good in camp. And I have high hopes for Ernie Sims.
 
TwinTurbo said:
Looks like another Andy Katzenmoyer to me. I liked Chad Greenway a lot more than A.J. Hawk. Ernie Sims looks pretty good as well.
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You wanna bet who gets more tackles this season between Hawk and Greenway? If anything Greenway is resembling Kat far more than Hawk is right now.
 
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
 
I'm confused. One of the networks, can't remember if it was ESPN or NFL Network, had a segment where they focused on Hawk. They showed him in the preseason game and said he was showing great mobility and he always seemed to be there in on the tackle at the end of the play. They way it looked he was always there but wasn't necessarily the first guy to get to the ball carrier on those plays.

So which is it?

 
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
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So what? What part of this early into pre-season don't you(and your alias) understand?It is way too early to make a judgement on how a rookie will do. :rolleyes:
 
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Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
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So what? What part of this early into pre-season don't you(and your alias) understand?It is way too early to make a judgement on how a rookie will do. :rolleyes:
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You obviously have a reading problem I said it was early
 
Invisibility is cool, but is it allowed in the NFL, and if not, how do they enforce it?

 
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gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
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So what? What part of this early into pre-season don't you(and your alias) understand?It is way too early to make a judgement on how a rookie will do. :rolleyes:
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You obviously have a reading problem I said it was early
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No reading problem. Just calling you and your alias out. LHUCKS belittled posters for making premature judgements on players this early into pre-season. It is also funny that LHUCKS tried to start a thread last night about Hawk but it was locked very quickly.
 
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Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
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So what? What part of this early into pre-season don't you(and your alias) understand?It is way too early to make a judgement on how a rookie will do. :rolleyes:
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You obviously have a reading problem I said it was early
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No reading problem. Just calling you and your alias out. LHUCKS belittled posters for making premature judgements on players this early into pre-season. It is also funny that LHUCKS tried to start a thread last night about Hawk but it was locked very quickly. Nice try on this one LHUCKS. :D
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Yes, 'cause God forbid if someone dare utter something unflatteringly about a player who dons the green and yella of GB....... :rolleyes:
 
:confused:

I havn't watched any Packers games/scrimmages yet, but on NFL live 2 days ago they did a segment on how the rookies were doing and they said that Hawk was amazing people with his ability to be all over the field and in on every single play.

 
GregR said:
I'm confused. One of the networks, can't remember if it was ESPN or NFL Network, had a segment where they focused on Hawk. They showed him in the preseason game and said he was showing great mobility and he always seemed to be there in on the tackle at the end of the play. They way it looked he was always there but wasn't necessarily the first guy to get to the ball carrier on those plays.So which is it?
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I wouldn't be surprised by anything I heard from the talking heads on ESPN. I tuned in for a few mintues and heard one of them say they were generally impressed with Mike Bells performence vs DET. That was the 2.8y/c, 1 fumble in 7 carries performence.
 
ookook said:
I will agree with the part where Abdul Hodges has looked pretty solid.
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Doesn't surprise me.
Dec 30 2005, 12:00 PM Post #61

As an Iowa fan, I like seeing two LB's projected in the 1st round, but I'll be honest, I think Hodge is better than Greenway. Greenway has great physical talent, but there were several instances this year where I saw him blow plays and miss tackles that a freshman should have made. I think he has a ways to go on the mental development side. I personally think he single-handedly gave the Northwestern game away and he was instrumental in Michigan beating Iowa in OT.
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With Greenway being hurt and Hodge likely getting some playing time, Greenway will be even further behind.

 
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gocats said:
I watched Hawk for most of the time he was on the field and he was totally invisible. Abdul Hodge was the guy I noticed from the LB corps. I expected AJ to be all over the field and he just looked like another guy out there. I know it's early, but I'm a little worried about how AJ is progressing.

I think he will give the effort to become at least a good starter. My one concern with him is something a few NFL scouts had is his size. He's only 6'1. Not small, but most of the linebackers today are in the 6'3 range. He's got all the intangibles, but he mastered the Ohio State defense. He needs time to master the Packers defense.

I kind of expected Hawk to make better plays then he has... He was rarely around the ball and seemed to have difficulty getting off blocks (which was the one criticism I heard about AJ prior to the draft). He also looked pretty thin in the lower body to me. I hope he will do alot better by the season. I guess we will see...

From jsonline.com

If linebacker coach Winston Moss has been at all disappointed in rookie A.J. Hawk’s play to this point, he isn’t willing to admit it, at least not publicly. Moss said he sees a “very talented player” with some pop to his game. “He has all the tools,” said Moss. “He’s still learning the defense. Once he settles down, people are going to be pleased.”

But after 15 practices, Hawk hasn’t stuck out in a way that you’d expect from the fifth pick in the draft. Third-round choice Abdul Hodge seems to have more snap to his game, at least to this point. The big-time hitters at linebacker have a knack for rolling their hips and striking with such force that they’ll even jolt a 300-plus pound lineman. If Hawk has that kind of explosiveness, it hasn’t been apparent from the sidelines. More often, he seems to get engulfed with blockers and even take bad angles to the ball. And like most rookies, Hawk has struggled with pass coverage.

Maybe there’s no reason for alarm at this point. Maybe Moss is right, that it will only be a matter of time before Hawk starts making people take notice. After all, Moss has an up-close look on the field and then watches every practice over again on tape. Moreover, Hawk hasn’t even played an exhibition game yet. But fifth picks in the draft are supposed to be special players; players who jump out on the practice field. And so far, Hawk has been hard to find. Not only is he short at 6-foot-1, but he also looks light in the shorts
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I was surprised no one pointed the end of the second quote out!
 
Beergogglz said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
gocats said:
Fla\/\/ed said:
Didn't LHUCKS have a thread deleted recently where he was making fun of posters for premature evaluations of players so early into pre-season. :yes:
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It's more than just one bad preseason game, there's been rumblings out of GB that he's not doing well.
Click to expand...
So what? What part of this early into pre-season don't you(and your alias) understand?It is way too early to make a judgement on how a rookie will do. :rolleyes:
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You obviously have a reading problem I said it was early
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No reading problem. Just calling you and your alias out. LHUCKS belittled posters for making premature judgements on players this early into pre-season. It is also funny that LHUCKS tried to start a thread last night about Hawk but it was locked very quickly. Nice try on this one LHUCKS. :D
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Yes, 'cause God forbid if someone dare utter something unflatteringly about a player who dons the green and yella of GB....... :rolleyes:
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Hey....I don't say anything positive about Ahmad Carroll. :D
 
I have long contended that Hawk was being severely overrated for various reasons.

He was the media darling for various reasons in college football but all I saw when I watched him play was a player that might not have the impact in the NFL that a lot of analysts thought he might.

I root for the underdogs to make it in the NFL...not the media friendly kiss-asses like Hawk.

 
Pac-10 bias, god-complex, immaturity----> LHUCKS? :yes:

Youve been called out on both your mrharrier and gocats aliases. Not exactly doing a great job trolling.

 
Assani Fisher said:
:confused: I havn't watched any Packers games/scrimmages yet, but on NFL live 2 days ago they did a segment on how the rookies were doing and they said that Hawk was amazing people with his ability to be all over the field and in on every single play.
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In the first game he was always around the ball. Give him a little time. Mario hasn't impressed yet either.
 
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