AJ Owners & Houston Overhaul - No Tate, Schaub back in - Good or B (1 Viewer)

[StuntMonkee]

Sounds like only good news for us AJ owners. He looked HORRID last week. Dropping balls and posting a brutal stat line. But with no RB, and his favorite QB back in play? Against a team that will/could force them into ketchup mode after the 1st quarter? Where else is the ball going to go? Could this be one of those 18 targets, 12 catch games? Or will Denver lock AJ down? Denver is 28th against the pass. . . .mostly because teams have been in shootouts with them over the season, but never the less.

Players that have gone over 100 yards against the Broncos this year are, Cruz, D Moore, Dez, Blackmon, Edelman, Justin Hunter.

Significant players held under 80 yards? Bowe? ehhhh? Keenan Allen both times. Garcon. . . . .that's it.

The only solid QB WR duo they have faced this season has been Romo and Dez, and Dez tacked them for 141 and 2 tds.

I'm not one to say a lock, but you have a QB that knows there's no back up QB behind him to get benched for. And a WR 1 catch away from 100 catches this season.

I'm feeling more boom opportunity than bust.

Thoughts?

 

[Shutout]

Completely disagree. For what it's worth, I follow the Texans and have vested interest in their fantasy players but, sadly, I don't see it the way you do.

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

Yes, we can say the Texans will throw all day and will need to but what I saw last weekend was a cooked team that has quit and is in no way going to go balls out for Wade Phillips. There is no incentive to.

They shut Tate down, despite him being a FA. There is nothing to play for.

They have a HOF WR with age and miles. How much will they risk a late season serious injury with him? Why should they? Why would they?

I see this game as potentially a devastating one for Broncos fantasy owners if the Texans come out and show early they are not willing to compete because the Broncos will get up and then run that trio of RBs all day with no fight from the Texans.

THis game reeks of 27-6 at halftime with a lot more backup WRs in the game for the Texans in the 2nd half.

 

[packersfan]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

 

[Shutout]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking.

It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

 

[StuntMonkee]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

That's how I was feeling too - So I had to look to see the numbers.

Yardage Numbers this year

Week 01 Shaub 346 AJ 12/146 Keenum 000

Week 02 Shaub 298 AJ 08/076 Keenum 000

Week 03 Shaub 194 AJ 05/036 Keenum 000

Week 04 Shaub 355 AJ 09/110 Keenum 000

Week 05 Shaub 173 AJ 03/039 Keenum 000

Week 06 Shaub 186 AJ 07/088 Keenum 000

Week 07 Shaub 000 AJ 04/089 Keenum 271

Week 08 BYE

Week 09 Shaub 000 AJ 09/229 Keenum 350

Week 10 Shaub 000 AJ 05/037 Keenum 201

Week 11 Shaub 155 AJ 10/116 Keenum 170

Week 12 Shaub 000 AJ 02/036 Keenum 169

Week 13 Shaub 000 AJ 08/121 Keenum 272

Week 14 Shaub 198 AJ 13/154 Keenum 159

Week 15 Shaub 000 AJ 04/018 Keenum 168

SO! Looking at the numbers,

AJ prefers it when both QB's play the same week! HA! 2 out of 3 weeks that he had had 10+ catches were split QB Weeks.

2 our of the 3 weeks that he was less than 5 catches were Keenum.

4 out of the 5 weeks that Schaub was the only QB, AJ had 5+ Catches

3 out of the 6 weeks that Keenum was QB, AJ had 5+ Catches

Notable games was week 4 against Seattle, week 9 against Indy and his 13 catch game in week 14 against Jax.

Yes the team has given up this year, but is there no sense of nostalgia for these 2? This could be the last 2 weeks they play together, and this is the best week they have to put up numbers.

 

[StuntMonkee]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking.

It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

I did watch the game last week and they were pretty pathetic. But even Washington showed some life with a few changes.

As with any FF call, tough to say. Could really go either way and no body would be shocked. Obviously I do have a dog in the race, so maybe I just have a rosy bias. lol

 

[Shutout]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

That's how I was feeling too - So I had to look to see the numbers.

Yardage Numbers this year

Week 01 Shaub 346 AJ 12/146 Keenum 000

Week 02 Shaub 298 AJ 08/076 Keenum 000

Week 03 Shaub 194 AJ 05/036 Keenum 000

Week 04 Shaub 355 AJ 09/110 Keenum 000

Week 05 Shaub 173 AJ 03/039 Keenum 000

Week 06 Shaub 186 AJ 07/088 Keenum 000

Week 07 Shaub 000 AJ 04/089 Keenum 271

Week 08 BYE

Week 09 Shaub 000 AJ 09/229 Keenum 350

Week 10 Shaub 000 AJ 05/037 Keenum 201

Week 11 Shaub 155 AJ 10/116 Keenum 170

Week 12 Shaub 000 AJ 02/036 Keenum 169

Week 13 Shaub 000 AJ 08/121 Keenum 272

Week 14 Shaub 198 AJ 13/154 Keenum 159

Week 15 Shaub 000 AJ 04/018 Keenum 168

SO! Looking at the numbers,

AJ prefers it when both QB's play the same week! HA! 2 out of 3 weeks that he had had 10+ catches were split QB Weeks.

2 our of the 3 weeks that he was less than 5 catches were Keenum.

4 out of the 5 weeks that Schaub was the only QB, AJ had 5+ Catches

3 out of the 6 weeks that Keenum was QB, AJ had 5+ Catches

Notable games was week 4 against Seattle, week 9 against Indy and his 13 catch game in week 14 against Jax.

Yes the team has given up this year, but is there no sense of nostalgia for these 2? This could be the last 2 weeks they play together, and this is the best week they have to put up numbers.

Good luck. And I get the thought. Like I said, could very well rol out that way. But in a fantasy title week, I'm leery because I don't see any real world incentive for the Texans to risk their best player.

This team has been an utter train wreck this year. I can't imagine how this would go if they go crazy trying to win a truly meaningless game and, in the process, AJ tears his knee up or Watt tears a labrum. Those kind of injuries kill the team going into the future. Its bad enough this year is dead but let's wreck our chances in 2014 and give ourselves salary cap dilemmas , etc too?

I'm just trying to be realistic. I think when its been this bad, you just tell everyone to go play, play smart, give a good effort, but we aren't going to make anyone a one week warrior just to prove a point. Pride is nice but pride doesn't help in 2014 at this point and for a 30+ WR, there aren't that many more turns on the merry-go-round.

 

[Shutout]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking.

It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

I did watch the game last week and they were pretty pathetic. But even Washington showed some life with a few changes.

As with any FF call, tough to say. Could really go either way and no body would be shocked. Obviously I do have a dog in the race, so maybe I just have a rosy bias. lol

Yeah. Washington responded. I thin its a different scenario and maybe I am too close to the source too, following the Texans and feeling the sting of this season. They just look checked out to me and I don't think they are a type of team with players who can gain anything from playing out of their heads on this one game.

If nothing else, I honestly just don't think they are well-prepared. Wade wasn't good at it with Dallas. He actually got fired mid-season for looking like a quit team and then you have players who know that they probably aren't playing for next year's coach...and its gotta be hard for players to lose a coach mid-season and still just fall into line.

I hope I'm wrong. In some ways, this could be the Texans superBowl of pride to come out and show a good game. But I have the gut feeling that even if they were 11-3 ((like last year) and playing a great team and had EVERYTHING to play for, that they simply couldn't do it. If the Broncos jump on them early, I think this is a boring game with few fireworks. The Broncos will have to start thinking about player health as they go to the playoffs.

 

[StuntMonkee]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking.

It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

I did watch the game last week and they were pretty pathetic. But even Washington showed some life with a few changes.

As with any FF call, tough to say. Could really go either way and no body would be shocked. Obviously I do have a dog in the race, so maybe I just have a rosy bias. lol

Yeah. Washington responded. I thin its a different scenario and maybe I am too close to the source too, following the Texans and feeling the sting of this season. They just look checked out to me and I don't think they are a type of team with players who can gain anything from playing out of their heads on this one game.

If nothing else, I honestly just don't think they are well-prepared. Wade wasn't good at it with Dallas. He actually got fired mid-season for looking like a quit team and then you have players who know that they probably aren't playing for next year's coach...and its gotta be hard for players to lose a coach mid-season and still just fall into line.

I hope I'm wrong. In some ways, this could be the Texans superBowl of pride to come out and show a good game. But I have the gut feeling that even if they were 11-3 ((like last year) and playing a great team and had EVERYTHING to play for, that they simply couldn't do it. If the Broncos jump on them early, I think this is a boring game with few fireworks. The Broncos will have to start thinking about player health as they go to the playoffs.

I'm partially OK with that since the other team is starting Dem. Thomas.

Either way, thanks for the convo Sunday is sure to be a long day for a bunch of us still in it.

 

[kOOk]

Schaub winging it around all day is what's piqued my interest.

 

[Spin]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking.

It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

So a guy like TY Hilton over AJ?

 

[jurb26]

Not sure this matter very much. Most teams with AJ probably don't have much of a choice but to play him. He was drafted as a WR1 and benching a guy like that is difficult. You ride or die with AJ IMO.

 

[GregR]

I think the passing yardage should go up significantly, so I'd say that AJ's numbers are likely to go up as well. Though his odds of a TD may drop slightly despite more red zone chances.

Keenum couldn't keep drives alive even when he had a good chance to... throwing it to the covered receiver instead of the open one, not running for a first down when it was pretty open and instead throwing to a covered RB.

Schaub may have more disastrous picks, but they are more likely to come after moving the ball 50 yards first.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

What about Ryan Griffin if he's starting? Worth a shot for TE desperate teams?

 

[StuntMonkee]

What about Ryan Griffin if he's starting? Worth a shot for TE desperate teams?

6 catches last week isn't a bad start? Def upside there. You also have lesser owned TE's like Tyler Eifert and Logan Paulsen who are playing week pass D's. All "deep" plays, but chance favors something something or something or other.

 

[Braktastic]

What about Ryan Griffin if he's starting? Worth a shot for TE desperate teams?

6 catches last week isn't a bad start? Def upside there.

The main concern here is Schaub's chemistry or lack thereof with Griffin. It's unknown. Keenum was Mr. Checkdown.

 

[TheFly06]

What about Ryan Griffin if he's starting? Worth a shot for TE desperate teams?

6 catches last week isn't a bad start? Def upside there.

The main concern here is Schaub's chemistry or lack thereof with Griffin. It's unknown. Keenum was Mr. Checkdown.

If Garrett Graham plays, I wouldn't trust him. But if Graham is OUT, I would absolutely play Ryan Griffin! Schaub loves him some TE. Andre will get his because Schaub tends to lock onto him. But option #2 will be his TE. He hardly throws to the other WRs. Whether it's Hopkins, Martin or Posey, Schaub has never really leaned on those guys. Schaub's noodle-arm at this point should find Griffin for at least 5 catches with a decent chance at a TD, since you KNOW Andre isn't gonna get a red zone look with Schaub in the game. I'll be starting Griffin if Graham and Jordon Cameron are inactive Sunday.

 

[Shutout]

To begin, I would argue that Shaub is not AJ's "favorite". Aj seemed more energized with Keenum and had more memorable games with Keenum, fantasy-wise.

I don't have a dog in this race but the last time Schaub played, AJ caught tons of passes. Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

THink of the scenario Shaub coming in.. something to prove. I won't rattle off the stats with each guy starting or the targets or all that but if you watch these games and you understand where this team stands today, you ahve to give credence that this team is a dead team walking. It could very well go fine but if you have any type of reasonable alternatives, its hard pressed to put AJ out there this week. You expect him to get you points as if the texans are playing for something and competing for 4 quarters. They have looked absolutely listless for 10 of ouf the last 12 they have played. I don't think they buc the trend. At BEST< I think you get one solid half from them this week.

USo a guy like TY Hilton over AJ?

Tough one but probably not. It's a close one and Hilton probably has the higher upside to break the big td play but AJ is probably the safer for compiling catches for short yardage throughout this one. In a choice of two "ugh, gonna get an ulcer on this" picks, I'd probAbly go safer route for a few points to add to the total and go AJ.

 

[Insein]

AJ didn't practice today. Any word on what that's about?

 

[StuntMonkee]

Per ROTO - "none of the Texans' beat writers have expressed any concern "

 

[Ray]

... Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

 

[packersfan]

... Schaub was feeling him relentlessly.

They have been teammates for a long time.

 

[kOOk]

I'm surprised the rankings for Schaub are still so low. Tremblay, Bloom and Dodds have him at 21, 24, 21. Weak pass D and he should be out there winging it all day long. it ain't like Denver's going to let up at half either.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What about Ryan Griffin if he's starting? Worth a shot for TE desperate teams?

6 catches last week isn't a bad start? Def upside there.

The main concern here is Schaub's chemistry or lack thereof with Griffin. It's unknown. Keenum was Mr. Checkdown.

If Garrett Graham plays, I wouldn't trust him. But if Graham is OUT, I would absolutely play Ryan Griffin! Schaub loves him some TE. Andre will get his because Schaub tends to lock onto him. But option #2 will be his TE. He hardly throws to the other WRs. Whether it's Hopkins, Martin or Posey, Schaub has never really leaned on those guys. Schaub's noodle-arm at this point should find Griffin for at least 5 catches with a decent chance at a TD, since you KNOW Andre isn't gonna get a red zone look with Schaub in the game. I'll be starting Griffin if Graham and Jordon Cameron are inactive Sunday.

After looking at all TE stats with Schaub this year, I like the Griffin call.

 

[twally]

Any thoughts on Hopkins this week?

 

[3quinox]

You think schaub checks down to dennis johnson a ton as a safety valve?

 

[Mark Davis]

I thought about benching AJ in my finals too in favor of Torrey Smith and Edelman but I just can't do it. Rolled with AJ and Torrey all year but Torrey may sit for Edelman.