Al Davis is Mad at LaMont Jordan (1 Viewer)

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http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/p...position=recent

Oakland owner Al Davis is reportedly in a huff that running back LaMont Jordan signed with New England. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that David and Jordan’s agent Alvin Keels had an agreement that if the Raiders did grant Jordan’s release, he wouldn’t wign with either the rival Patriots or Broncos.

Keels told the Chronicle that was a bunch of hogwash, and no agreement existed. Today, Jordan also backed the claim.

“One thing I know about the media is that a lot of times, they have no idea what they’re talking about,” Jordan said after the morning practice session at Gillette Stadium. “I’m quite sure that if my release was contingent on that, that it wouldn’t have just been heard in the Bay Area. It would have been heard all over. Everybody wants to take a shot at the Patriots. ”From my understanding, my release wasn’t based on that,” he added. “My release was based on the fact that the Raiders no longer wanted me out there, and I think that’s what I comes down to.”

Keels had this to say in the Chronicle report: “I can understand whatever frustration that Mr. Davis may have to see a good player going to an archrival. I never agreed to not explore a deal with the Patriots. Teams were waiting for him to be released. Once he hit the waiver wire, we weighed several offers. It was LaMont’s choice to go to New England.”

How is NE a rival of Oakland? Oakland hasn't done anything with NE since 2001 and they've been bad since. There have been some trades, but that's it.

 

[EBF]

He's just mad because the fact that New England wants Jordan tells him he may have made a mistake in releasing him. He's probably still steaming from the whole Randy Moss fiasco.

 

[BigRed]

wow what big news.

lol @ "rival Patriots."

 

[Raider Nation]

I said it in the Raiders thread and I'll say it again. If Oakland cares that much, they should have kept him.

 

[Banger]

Oak is a rival of NE only in Al Davis's twisted head. The reality is that the Raiders are among the worst run franchises in the league while the Pats are among the best. Al probably doesn't want to happen with Jordan what happened last year with Moss (which is a possibly to a lesser extent though). It's his fault that they don't know how to run their team personnel in an intelligent manner.

If Al was so concerned about him landing in NE he should have kept him or traded him. They tried to trade him and obviously couldn't get anything so the options are release him or keep him.

 

[Interseptopus]

He's just mad because the fact that New England wants Jordan tells him he may have made a mistake in releasing him. He's probably still steaming from the whole Randy Moss fiasco.

Exactly. He had no problem trading with them on draft day last year. Now all of a sudden he doesn't want any of his players to go there. It's because they got Moss for dirt cheap

I said it in the Raiders thread and I'll say it again. If Oakland cares that much, they should have kept him.

Or traded him

Al Davis is a moron. This is just laughable.

 

[Raider Nation]

Al probably doesn't want to happen with Jordan what happened last year with Moss.

/thread

 

[Ron_Mexico]

It's alright to trade future HOF'er Randy Moss to the New England Patriots in exchange for a dozen donuts,

but NO WAY will we allow LaMont Jordan to go there.

you the man, Al.

 

[Raider Nation]

I said it in the Raiders thread and I'll say it again. If Oakland cares that much, they should have kept him.

Or traded him

They tried. No takers, because it was the worst kept secret in the league that he'd be released.

 

[footballman_696969]

I said it in the Raiders thread and I'll say it again. If Oakland cares that much, they should have kept him.

 

[T Bell]

There, there, Al, have some more tapioca pudding.

 

[Banger]

I said it in the Raiders thread and I'll say it again. If Oakland cares that much, they should have kept him.

Or traded him

They tried. No takers, because it was the worst kept secret in the league that he'd be released.

The fact that they told him not to report to camp kind of tipped their hand slightly.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

There, there, Al, have some more tapioca pudding.

"I was promised banana pudding. And I was told there'd be 'Nilla Wafers. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOME 'NILLA WAFERS?! *straightens granny glasses*"

 

[T Bell]

There, there, Al, have some more tapioca pudding.

"I was promised banana pudding. And I was told there'd be 'Nilla Wafers. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOME 'NILLA WAFERS?! *straightens granny glasses*"

THE PUDDING MUST GO DOWN, AND IT MUST GO DOWN HARD! NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

 

[Ron_Mexico]

There, there, Al, have some more tapioca pudding.

"I was promised banana pudding. And I was told there'd be 'Nilla Wafers. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOME 'NILLA WAFERS?! *straightens granny glasses*"

Sorry Al, all we have left are some stale Nutter Butter Peanut Butter Sandwich Cookies.

 

[gman8343]

New Al Davis/Raiders motto: "Just whine, baby."

 

[Esther Rolle Home Cookin]

There, there, Al, have some more tapioca pudding.

Mmm hmmm -- cookin sum up now!

 

[T Bell]

As if you needed any more confirmation, this shows how far gone that organization is with Davis at the helm. The Patriots as "rivals"? That hasn't been the case since 2002, six years ago, and the performance of those two teams in the interim could not have been more different.

Even ignoring that, since when does any team put conditions on a player who it's releasing as to which team(s) they can sign with? Is he in fantasy land?

As others have said, what's behind this is all too obvious: Davis' embarrassment at misplaying the Randy Moss situation and losing an elite player to the Patriots, who promptly showed the world just how elite he was. Sending blame the direction of Jordan and the Pats also shows just how incapable Davis is at recognizing that he needs to hand over the reins to someone else. Denial ain't just a river. Davis will be in charge until the moment he dies, and not a second before, and that franchise will continue to both suck and also to pretend that it's the modern incarnation of some proud tradition throughout. Raiders fans deserve better.

 

[Lash]

i can't blame Al, i'm not over The Fumble* incident either

* (my name for it instead of 'The Tuck')

 

[Tom Servo]

It's not even worth the effort to hate on the Raiders anymore. Heck, they're the new Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Remember the scene in Fight Club where the crowd is cheering the fight between the Narrator and Angel Face? After a while it gets too brutal and the cheering stops?

That's what it's like watching the Raiders situation. It was funny and fun at one time. Now it's disturbingly sad.

 

[Bad_Mo]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

just a tuck rule away

 

[IM666]

I wonder if Al realizes the rest of the league has him on ignore.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

The raiders have three rivals.....SD, DEN & KC. That is all that I can see right now

 

[CalBear]

Al has a 40-year history of schizophrenia, dating back to when he wrote the NFL-AFL merger compromise, and then voted against it.

 

[Christo]

I think the thread title should be renamed "Al Davis is Mad as a Hatter."

 

[gianmarco]

The raiders have three rivals.....SD, DEN & KC. That is all that I can see right now

You missed one. Oakland.

 

[Penguin]

He's just mad because the fact that New England wants Jordan tells him he may have made a mistake in releasing him. He's probably still steaming from the whole Randy Moss fiasco.

Sometimes all I can do is sit back and laugh at the Raiders.

 

[T Man]

As if you needed any more confirmation, this shows how far gone that organization is with Davis at the helm. The Patriots as "rivals"? That hasn't been the case since 2002, six years ago, and the performance of those two teams in the interim could not have been more different.

Even ignoring that, since when does any team put conditions on a player who it's releasing as to which team(s) they can sign with? Is he in fantasy land?

As others have said, what's behind this is all too obvious: Davis' embarrassment at misplaying the Randy Moss situation and losing an elite player to the Patriots, who promptly showed the world just how elite he was. Sending blame the direction of Jordan and the Pats also shows just how incapable Davis is at recognizing that he needs to hand over the reins to someone else. Denial ain't just a river. Davis will be in charge until the moment he dies, and not a second before, and that franchise will continue to both suck and also to pretend that it's the modern incarnation of some proud tradition throughout. Raiders fans deserve better.

I agree with everything except what is in bold. However, releasing a player eith the understanding that he does not go to a certain team or teams does go on. They are more "gentleman's agreements" as opposed to binding agreements. And they generally occur early in the process -- where the player is asking to be released now (once his status becomes inevitable) and in exchange for allowing him to be released now so that the player maximizes his attempts to "hook on" the player agrees not to go to certain teams.What is confusing is why the Raiders put the Patriots on the list. The teams usually are the ones in the division (i.e., Vikings and Bears with the Packers) or a true rival. I just don't see the Patriots and Raiders as a rivalry. And, I would guess that the Patriots don't either.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

just a tuck rule away

Can't judge intent.Of course Brady's intent was to throw the ball.

 

[IM666]

As if you needed any more confirmation, this shows how far gone that organization is with Davis at the helm. The Patriots as "rivals"? That hasn't been the case since 2002, six years ago, and the performance of those two teams in the interim could not have been more different.

Even ignoring that, since when does any team put conditions on a player who it's releasing as to which team(s) they can sign with? Is he in fantasy land?

As others have said, what's behind this is all too obvious: Davis' embarrassment at misplaying the Randy Moss situation and losing an elite player to the Patriots, who promptly showed the world just how elite he was. Sending blame the direction of Jordan and the Pats also shows just how incapable Davis is at recognizing that he needs to hand over the reins to someone else. Denial ain't just a river. Davis will be in charge until the moment he dies, and not a second before, and that franchise will continue to both suck and also to pretend that it's the modern incarnation of some proud tradition throughout. Raiders fans deserve better.

I agree with everything except what is in bold. However, releasing a player eith the understanding that he does not go to a certain team or teams does go on. They are more "gentleman's agreements" as opposed to binding agreements. And they generally occur early in the process -- where the player is asking to be released now (once his status becomes inevitable) and in exchange for allowing him to be released now so that the player maximizes his attempts to "hook on" the player agrees not to go to certain teams.What is confusing is why the Raiders put the Patriots on the list. The teams usually are the ones in the division (i.e., Vikings and Bears with the Packers) or a true rival. I just don't see the Patriots and Raiders as a rivalry. And, I would guess that the Patriots don't either.

I fail to understand how Oakland could even ask for a "Gentleman's Agreement". What if LaMont says no, would they keep him? They had no leverage in this. What is ironic is the fact Mr. Davis had no problem picking up FA J. Walker after he was released by Denver.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Mr. Davis, it's time to change your Depends. Yes, we understand that you like to keep the customized Patroits set on, but afterwhile it needs to be changed regardless... Look, the next set is one of your favorite...Broncos.

 

[Despyzer]

The raiders have three rivals.....SD, DEN & KC. That is all that I can see right now

And even some of those "rivalries" have been pretty lopsided recently.

 

[LBH]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/p...position=recent

Keels had this to say in the Chronicle report: "I can understand whatever frustration that Mr. Davis may have to see a good player going to an archrival. I never agreed to not explore a deal with the Patriots. Teams were waiting for him to be released. Once he hit the waiver wire, we weighed several offers. It was LaMont's choice to go to New England."

archrival?

 

[twitch]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

just a tuck rule away

away from what exactly? Offering up yet another of the sorriest showings in Superbowl history?

 

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New Al Davis/Raiders motto: "Just whine, baby."

EXAMPLE 1a:

i can't blame Al, i'm not over The Fumble* incident either* (my name for it instead of 'The Tuck')

 

[T Bell]

As if you needed any more confirmation, this shows how far gone that organization is with Davis at the helm. The Patriots as "rivals"? That hasn't been the case since 2002, six years ago, and the performance of those two teams in the interim could not have been more different.

Even ignoring that, since when does any team put conditions on a player who it's releasing as to which team(s) they can sign with? Is he in fantasy land?

As others have said, what's behind this is all too obvious: Davis' embarrassment at misplaying the Randy Moss situation and losing an elite player to the Patriots, who promptly showed the world just how elite he was. Sending blame the direction of Jordan and the Pats also shows just how incapable Davis is at recognizing that he needs to hand over the reins to someone else. Denial ain't just a river. Davis will be in charge until the moment he dies, and not a second before, and that franchise will continue to both suck and also to pretend that it's the modern incarnation of some proud tradition throughout. Raiders fans deserve better.

I agree with everything except what is in bold. However, releasing a player eith the understanding that he does not go to a certain team or teams does go on. They are more "gentleman's agreements" as opposed to binding agreements. And they generally occur early in the process -- where the player is asking to be released now (once his status becomes inevitable) and in exchange for allowing him to be released now so that the player maximizes his attempts to "hook on" the player agrees not to go to certain teams.What is confusing is why the Raiders put the Patriots on the list. The teams usually are the ones in the division (i.e., Vikings and Bears with the Packers) or a true rival. I just don't see the Patriots and Raiders as a rivalry. And, I would guess that the Patriots don't either.

Do you have any examples of any such gentlemans agreements? I've not heard of this.

 

[T Man]

As if you needed any more confirmation, this shows how far gone that organization is with Davis at the helm. The Patriots as "rivals"? That hasn't been the case since 2002, six years ago, and the performance of those two teams in the interim could not have been more different.

Even ignoring that, since when does any team put conditions on a player who it's releasing as to which team(s) they can sign with? Is he in fantasy land?

As others have said, what's behind this is all too obvious: Davis' embarrassment at misplaying the Randy Moss situation and losing an elite player to the Patriots, who promptly showed the world just how elite he was. Sending blame the direction of Jordan and the Pats also shows just how incapable Davis is at recognizing that he needs to hand over the reins to someone else. Denial ain't just a river. Davis will be in charge until the moment he dies, and not a second before, and that franchise will continue to both suck and also to pretend that it's the modern incarnation of some proud tradition throughout. Raiders fans deserve better.

I agree with everything except what is in bold. However, releasing a player eith the understanding that he does not go to a certain team or teams does go on. They are more "gentleman's agreements" as opposed to binding agreements. And they generally occur early in the process -- where the player is asking to be released now (once his status becomes inevitable) and in exchange for allowing him to be released now so that the player maximizes his attempts to "hook on" the player agrees not to go to certain teams.What is confusing is why the Raiders put the Patriots on the list. The teams usually are the ones in the division (i.e., Vikings and Bears with the Packers) or a true rival. I just don't see the Patriots and Raiders as a rivalry. And, I would guess that the Patriots don't either.

I fail to understand how Oakland could even ask for a "Gentleman's Agreement". What if LaMont says no, would they keep him? They had no leverage in this. What is ironic is the fact Mr. Davis had no problem picking up FA J. Walker after he was released by Denver.

They did, they just did not use it. They could have welcomed Jordan into camp and not let him really practice. They could then have held his rights until the day before the season started before cutting him so that he would not have time to become acclimated in a team's offensive situation. In this case the rumor was that Oakland would not let him in camp. So Jordan used that leverage. But the Raiders could have done something.

My guess (and that is all it is) is that the agent represented that if you let him go now (as opposed to later) you give Lamont a better chance to hook on with another team. If you make the decision sooner rather then later, he will sign with someone other then _______ and _____________ and your archrival ( the Patriots.

The agent may have even tried to steer him somewhere else for more money.

But Gentlemans Agreements are just that; and they are unenforceable. They do cause problems thought -- as the Juets have noticed with all of their agreements to increase salaries in subsequent years.

 

[GregR_2]

Remember the scene in Fight Club where the crowd is cheering the fight between the Narrator and Angel Face? After a while it gets too brutal and the cheering stops?That's what it's like watching the Raiders situation. It was funny and fun at one time. Now it's disturbingly sad.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Doesnt sound like he's actually mad at Jordan as the topic suggests. Maybe mad at the agent. Probably upset that by releasing Jordan at the time he did, Jordan ended up with the Patriots. I dont see where he's actually angry at Jordan though. Everyone expects Jordan to pursue his best interests after being released includeing Al Davis. For all we know, Jordan could be in Chicago right now if Davis had released him sooner.

Looks like Jordan preferred the chance for a ring over the chance for significant playing time. I dont think anyone is mad at him for that. Not even Al Davis.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.

He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline.

 

[T Man]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline. :whoosh:

Once a great coach and talent evaluator. A great GM and owner. A maverick. But for about 10 years he has not been able to admit that it is time to quit and hand over the reins.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline.

Once a great coach and talent evaluator. A great GM and owner. A maverick. But for about 10 years he has not been able to admit that it is time to quit and hand over the reins.

Those who have spoken with him at length swear his mind is as sharp as ever. But that hasn't manifested itself in victories lately.

 

[T Bell]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline.

You're right, but this is Davis' own fault. Unlike a guys like Wellington Mara or Lamar Hunt who were no less important figures but who were able to delegate and allow others to run operations, Davis' ego continues to compel him to have his fingers in everything, convinced apparently that no one can do things as well as he can. He's been over the hill for 15-20 years, and he's that long past the point where he should have hired a good football man, someone like Ron Wolf, to run his operations as he became more of a NFL elder statesman.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline.

You're right, but this is Davis' own fault. Unlike a guys like Wellington Mara or Lamar Hunt who were no less important figures but who were able to delegate and allow others to run operations, Davis' ego continues to compel him to have his fingers in everything, convinced apparently that no one can do things as well as he can. He's been over the hill for 15-20 years, and he's that long past the point where he should have hired a good football man, someone like Ron Wolf, to run his operations as he became more of a NFL elder statesman.

Didn't say it wasn't his fault... just that it's unfortunate.I had hoped he would hire a capable GM several years ago, but the catch is that no capable GM wants to work with/under him.

 

[Bizkiteer]

It's unfortunate that some younger people know Al Davis only as a drooling idiot who ruined a once-proud franchise.He is one of the most important, influentiual men in the history of the league. Now he's a punchline.

You're right, but this is Davis' own fault. Unlike a guys like Wellington Mara or Lamar Hunt who were no less important figures but who were able to delegate and allow others to run operations, Davis' ego continues to compel him to have his fingers in everything, convinced apparently that no one can do things as well as he can. He's been over the hill for 15-20 years, and he's that long past the point where he should have hired a good football man, someone like Ron Wolf, to run his operations as he became more of a NFL elder statesman.

Didn't say it wasn't his fault... just that it's unfortunate.I had hoped he would hire a capable GM several years ago, but the catch is that no capable GM wants to work with/under him.

and exchange for Tatum & Raider here! You guys said it all and summed it all up very well. It is too bad, but Al Davis should be coming to grips with it sooner than later as his teams keeps falling on their faces. Sad, but true as the game has clearly passed him sometime ago.

 

[Bad_Mo]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

just a tuck rule away

away from what exactly? Offering up yet another of the sorriest showings in Superbowl history?

Apparently, if the tuck rule never happened, Oakland would have gone on to dominate the 2000s like NE has.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

if all the players in Oakland had the coaching staff/resources of the Patriots, what would their record be?

i'd bet better than 10-6, and probably 12-4. Oakland has one of the best pass defenses in the league, and has had these years some top talent at skill positions. Lamont Jordan showed he could be a playmaker when healthy, Fargas has shown his worth, and Moss(duh) and Porter were both evaluated by NFL talent scouts to be #1 WRs. their run defense was suspect and their QB play has been in question, but somehow there is a nagging feeling that those would both be vastly improved with Patriot management.

sad.

 

[Raider Nation]

LOL at NE being Oakland's rival.

just a tuck rule away

away from what exactly? Offering up yet another of the sorriest showings in Superbowl history?

"I'll take 'Short memories' for $500, Alex."