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Albert Haynesworth to New England (1 Viewer)
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JAA
Footballguy
Yea, this is the part I dont get. AH was a disaster in Was because they ran a 3-4. What is NE thinking?I know what Was was thinking ... NO CHANCE WE LET HIM GO TO THE EAGLES!!That said, if I pull out my crystal ball, AH never suits up for NE and they ship him to Phi
The Comedian
Footballguy
Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The same was said about Dillon, Moss, etc, etc... However, I thought one of the main reasons the guy was #####ing in Wash was that he didn't want to play in a 3-4.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
The Comedian
Footballguy
Washington has already paid him all of his bonus money, including a check for $21 million last spring. Per Shefter, his salary for 2011 is $5 million. The Patriots play multiple fronts, and Haynesworth is versatile enough to even play some end in some situations. I doubt he's a full-time, every-down player. I'm guessing they are aware of what Haynesworth is willing/unwilling to do, and if he turns out to be a #####, they cut him for nothing. Patriots lose a 5th round pick in 2013, which they regularly produce out of thin air every draft day anyways.
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Good posting. Haynesworth will likely play more de in NE's defense, but NE changes their front so much, he will lineup over the guard regularly also.this is classic patriots and will likely work out for them...unfortunately
eakfootball
Footballguy
I haven't been this happy in s while. Great risk to take. They also play in a 4-3 about 30% of the snaps so he will get what he wants there. Back in a stable locker room he could become a superstar again.
He didn't want to play NOSE in the 3-4. His former DC in Tenn now in Det (Schwartz) coached for BB. If motivated Haynes (and doesn't winning help that), rushes the passer VERY well. He'll play in passing downs and wasn't that a NE weakness? If it doesn't work out he goes the out of town via Randy Moss.
I cant imagine AH would be happy with that role. It's a very similar problem that he was running from in DC. So BB will have to whip him into shape after the rat couldnt? That's bravado by NE; but they've turned guys around before.
Boston
Footballguy
Anyone who is surprised by anything the Pats do isn't paying attention...you can never pigeonhole what they do because nothing is really off the table whether it's a trade, spending or not spending in free agency and what position they will draft early...this move is similar to bringing in Moss and Dillon who were both disgruntled stars with questions about how much gas they had left in the tank...both those moves were huge successes in the first year and they eventually cut ties with both players once their play declined and they looked like they were on the verge of becoming a headache...
On the field this is very interesting...the first thing I think about is size...the Pats have some monsters up front as Wilfork, Haynesworth, Stroud and Warren are all big boys...on paper they should be real tough against the run...the second thing to think about is the annual question of whether BB will be using more 4-3 looks than he usually does...right now the Pats LB corps has some big questions, especially at OLB where their current starters are Cunningham and Ninkovich with not much currently behind them...what else they do in the next week should give a few more clues about that...
Overall this is a move that didn't cost much and could pay big dividends...the Pats D the past four years or so has not been championship-level...it has been sorely missing impact players and has had a subpar pass-rush...if Haynesworth can repeat what Dillon and Moss did in their first years with the Pats this will be a huge addition and hopefully get them out of their playoff slump...
On the field this is very interesting...the first thing I think about is size...the Pats have some monsters up front as Wilfork, Haynesworth, Stroud and Warren are all big boys...on paper they should be real tough against the run...the second thing to think about is the annual question of whether BB will be using more 4-3 looks than he usually does...right now the Pats LB corps has some big questions, especially at OLB where their current starters are Cunningham and Ninkovich with not much currently behind them...what else they do in the next week should give a few more clues about that...
Overall this is a move that didn't cost much and could pay big dividends...the Pats D the past four years or so has not been championship-level...it has been sorely missing impact players and has had a subpar pass-rush...if Haynesworth can repeat what Dillon and Moss did in their first years with the Pats this will be a huge addition and hopefully get them out of their playoff slump...
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
If BB cuts this guy or has issues with him, Haynesworth will never play in the NFL again.
A 5th round 2 years from now? I personally feel with all the busts in the draft, people desire draft picks too much.
Haynesworth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2013 5th rounder
I wish people in my fantasy would make trades like that with me.
Also for fantasy fans who say a trade is unfair an should be vetoed, do you think other NFL teams are vetoing this trade? no, because no trade should ever ever be overturned....since this is a perfect example of a lopsided trade.
A 5th round 2 years from now? I personally feel with all the busts in the draft, people desire draft picks too much.
Haynesworth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2013 5th rounder
I wish people in my fantasy would make trades like that with me.
Also for fantasy fans who say a trade is unfair an should be vetoed, do you think other NFL teams are vetoing this trade? no, because no trade should ever ever be overturned....since this is a perfect example of a lopsided trade.
JAA
Footballguy
You make excellent points about the LB core. A player like Haynesworth in a 4-3 package for NE will help mask LB deficiencies. Also, like you mentioned in 3rd down nickel formations, the LBs should have to cover much much less.
He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
The Redskins were cutting Haynesworth anyway. In real life teammates have to get on with their coaches and teammates. They rely on scheme and chemistry to succeed, not just accumulating statistics.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
For a 5th two years from now and the upfront money paid off Fat Albert is very little risk with possible high reward, if he does not work out just let him walk. BB is the new Dr. Drew
Albert has only been motivated for one year..his contract year.
Albert has only been motivated for one year..his contract year.
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The Comedian
Footballguy
I meant value-wise, not salary. And still, that's cheap.He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
Black
Footballguy
NE never ceases to amaze me. Bargain basement price for a disrupter. They'll find a spot for him. Heck, if they just threw him in on 3rd downs, he's still worth that price for them. He won't be able to get away with his typical crap in NE and has a ring to think about if he behaves.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
The Colts could have used Haynesoworth, but they never go after troublemakers. I think they should gamble every once in awhile instead of letting NE swoop in every year for these guys.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Decent chance NE flips him to Eagles for a 2012 3rd in the next 48 hours, lol.
sihaokills
Footballguy
Why would the Pats go for Haynesworth
harryhood
Footballguy
See; Posts; 1-24
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Is Washington's locker room considered unstable? From the sounds of it Orakpo believes it will now become stable and the reason it wasn't was because of Alby. Why is it assumed that the NE locker room is so stable now in 2011?
AmosMoses
Footballguy
When is it not stable? Brady and Belichick keep people from screwing it up, or else they are gone. It's pretty simple. And if Haynesworth acts like a baby, he will be cut.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
This is a fair enough question to ask, especially on the defensive side of the ball. The belief is that with Belichick and Brady there along with Welker and others the locker room is as stable as any in football. The defense is very young though and a lot of the vocal leaders of the past are no longer there. Moss was a distraction last year and they let him go. Is it a coincidence that after he was gone they went on a tear not unlike their 07 season? As a Jet fan I hate but have a ton of respect for BB, I always assume he will succeed because his track record speaks for itself. That doesn't mean every move he makes will turn to gold though.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Actually, Big Al forfeited that 5 million guaranteed base salary for 2011 when he skipped minicamp last year. So this is truly a ZERO risk trade for the Pats.He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
I one word "Value". For what they payed, he's almost a no risk player. New England does this better than any franchise in football. If Haynesworth plays well in 20% of their defensive snaps it was a great trade. I'm expecting him to play about 50% of their defensive snaps. People need to realize this is a completely different situation than Washington. Haynesworth is not going to be asked to man the middle and take on blockers. That is Vince Wilfork's job. He'll get to rush the passer again. He's a playmaker that makes this defense better. Even if he's still a distraction, they cut him and lose a 5th round pick two years from now. The potential reward FAR outweighs the risk on this deal.
greenline
Footballguy
If I heard correctly this morning, all the guaranteed portion has been paid by Washington.He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Brady and Bill yes, but no more Tedy or Vrabel to keep the D honest. It was a very low risk trade so it was obviously a good one but we'll see if Albert shows his true colors this year or not.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Did he forfeit the 5 mill, or did he forfeit the guarantee? Very different things.Actually, Big Al forfeited that 5 million guaranteed base salary for 2011 when he skipped minicamp last year. So this is truly a ZERO risk trade for the Pats.He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
baconisgood
Footballguy
I wish BB was our head coach.
Signed a Browns fan.
Sigh.
Signed a Browns fan.
Sigh.
Workhorse
Footballguy
The guarantee, I believe. From my understanding, if he's a problem during the preseason and they cut him, they don't owe him anything.Did he forfeit the 5 mill, or did he forfeit the guarantee? Very different things.Actually, Big Al forfeited that 5 million guaranteed base salary for 2011 when he skipped minicamp last year. So this is truly a ZERO risk trade for the Pats.He's set to make $5 million in salary this year.Taking talented headcases for pennies on the dollar is a very Belichick-type move.Wow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
VaTerp
Footballguy
I don't think it's similar at all. NE has a bonafide nose in Wilfork and Haynesworth will likely get more of his snaps at DE. The Skins had no legitimate option at nose and wanted to play AH there significantly. Also, the talk all last season of playing multiple fronts never really materialized. The Skins played very little 4-3 and more often went to non conventional 1 or 2 man fronts with 9 o 10 players standing at the snap.There is also no comparison to a BB schemed defense and a Haslett schemed D and really no comparison in how BB handles players and how the Rat handles them at this point in his coaching career. And there is obviously no comparison from an organization stand point either.I think it's a great move for the Pats with very little risk. It's something the Skins had to do but they basically created the whole situation themselves. As a Skins fan, it's beyond frustrating how poorly this team operates. $36 million invested in Haynesworth for less than a year's worth of production. And in return they get a 5th rounder 2 YEARS from now. SMFH!
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msommer
Footballguy
He was
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
1) You think if Fat Albert blows this, he will get a shot somewhere else? lol2) The comment was about lopsided trades in fantasy and why deals should not be vetoed, nothing to do with whatever your comment was about. So....The Redskins were cutting Haynesworth anyway. In real life teammates have to get on with their coaches and teammates. They rely on scheme and chemistry to succeed, not just accumulating statistics.
Shutout
Footballguy
Wondering if this is a move that is specifically designed for them to be able to play "run crushing" 4-3 against teams like the jets and Steelers. that line has got to be one of the biggest in about a decade if they line up that way and the jets and Steelers are two teams that would be obvious threats on the Pats way to a SB. Just a thought.
Either way; with such minimal risk, why not do it?
Either way; with such minimal risk, why not do it?
massraider
Footballguy
Exactly.Of course, if any other team had done it, everyone would be piling on them, talking about how dumb it is to bring in a malcontent like Haynesworth.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
When you figure what the Pats have done to Al Davis, I'm thinking Fat Al is a stud for the Pats this year, whines about making only $5 mil/yr from them and NE turns the 2013 5th into a 2012 1st + a stud for a year.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Good move, good player, bad team mate...that can be fixed with good team mates.
Demian
Footballguy
interestingWow.. that doesn't seem like a Belicheck-type move. Talented? Sure. Space heater? Absolutely, and NE needed that. Headache? DEFINITELY.
Maybe he finally quits crying and is happy in NE and is everything they hoped for...
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You just play with your toy.
