chinawildman
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I think it's a combo of Shanahan and draft position. I bet even if Morris finishes with 1400 yds and 10 TDs for the season he will still have his fair share of doubters.
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Alfred Morris, Redskins RB - Value (1 Viewer)
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We Tigers
Footballguy
Just saw one team, pretty loaded at receiver but sucking wind at RB, accept a Morris-for-Britt deal in a PPR league. Seems pretty equitable to me, with considerable upside and downside attached to both players.
Earlier this week, I was offered Morris for Percy Harvin (non-PPR) and turned it down.
Earlier this week, I was offered Morris for Percy Harvin (non-PPR) and turned it down.
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Maui Monster
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I just traded for Morris. I have Ray Rice for Alfred Morris and Adrian Peterson. Before I get jumped on. I had literally no other starting RB's (Dwyer, Ingram, Ryan Williams) I was dying at the RB position and feel at least not I have two RB I can start weekly.
Shanahan does have a history of being fickle but he also have a history of being very loyal to a RB who he trusts for a year. Look back to Denver post Terrell Davis. Olandis Gary, Ruben Droughns, Mike Anderson all had at least 1 great season. Shanahan fed them the ball even with a mobile QB.
Shanahan does have a history of being fickle but he also have a history of being very loyal to a RB who he trusts for a year. Look back to Denver post Terrell Davis. Olandis Gary, Ruben Droughns, Mike Anderson all had at least 1 great season. Shanahan fed them the ball even with a mobile QB.
fatness
Footballguy
Unfortunately other teams are aware that the Redskins want Helu to catch passes, and they look for it each time he comes in this season. We're only 2 games in but I've seen it in both games.
fatness
Footballguy
No, their line isn't so good. Left side is OK with Williams and Lichtensteiger, Montgomery at C is OK, but Chester and Polumbus on the right side get moved around a lot. You see them in the backfield far too often, headed backwards toward the QB or RB.Run blocking-wise I think anybody back there will produce. Morris is a great fit though.Wait, wat??I'm buying the redskins O. They have perhaps the best O-line in the NFL. A great scheme that has been tailored to a stud QB. A RB who fits the mold of their coaches preferences. And a D that may give up some points. I just traded Michael Bush and Jay Cutler for RG3. So no I have RG3, Morris, and Garcon.
Khy
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I honestly think this says a TON about what the Shanahan's think of Alfred Morris. I honestly don't see how it's still a question about if Morris is the guy or not. I said it somewhere in the early parts of this thread but Morris possesses every single quality of the "Mike Shanahan's guy". He hasn't fumbled, he hasn't blown blocking assignments, he hasn't worn down late in the close games where Shanny wants to pound the rock, he has that solid one cut running style that works well in this blocking scheme. He is in every way and form the RB that Shanahan always wants on his team. The guy isn't going anywhere this season unless he gets hurt or all of a sudden forgets how to hold a football.
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mphtrilogy
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Love it
I was just offered Aaron Hernandez for Morris. Interesting trade since I'm almost sure Morris will have more total points, but Hernandez should be better for the playoffs (certainly less risky). I have 3 other solid RBs (McFadden/Sproles (PPR)/Doug Martin) so I'm considering it. Either player would be filling a flex slot.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
I got offered Reggie Wayne for Morris and Lloyd
I declined
I declined
cheese
Footballguy
I love Wayne, but that's a terrible offer. WR2 for RB2 + WR2
mashedbananas
Footballguy
10 team Dynasty non PPR
Team A gave up Bush, Reggie MIA RB;Burleson, Nate DET WR; Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team C
Team B gave up Ingram, Mark NOS RB;Morris, Alfred WAS RB; Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
Team A gave up Bush, Reggie MIA RB;Burleson, Nate DET WR; Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team C
Team B gave up Ingram, Mark NOS RB;Morris, Alfred WAS RB; Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
flc735
Footballguy
thier o-line is suited for the zone blocking scheme. they dont look great when compairs to traditional lines, but for their purposes, they are good.No, their line isn't so good. Left side is OK with Williams and Lichtensteiger, Montgomery at C is OK, but Chester and Polumbus on the right side get moved around a lot. You see them in the backfield far too often, headed backwards toward the QB or RB.Run blocking-wise I think anybody back there will produce. Morris is a great fit though.Wait, wat??I'm buying the redskins O. They have perhaps the best O-line in the NFL. A great scheme that has been tailored to a stud QB. A RB who fits the mold of their coaches preferences. And a D that may give up some points. I just traded Michael Bush and Jay Cutler for RG3. So no I have RG3, Morris, and Garcon.
Team A got a deal.
flc735
Footballguy
i dont know about that. reggie is looking like a top 5 runningback right nowi would take the reggie side if i was in win now mode
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading. 
Texican
Footballguy
Fair points, however I would suggest that the way to protect your weak defense if by having a good offensive ground game to burn the clock.I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I disagree. What team abandons the run right off the bat? Just because a game becomes a shootout doesn't mean the "non pass catching" back gets yanked. Willis McGahee is a perfect example of this. You're also making this claim based on the assumption that Morris will not have ANY impact in the pass game from here on out. If he does happen to get somewhat involved (a reasonable assumption since he's got nowhere to go but up really in this regard) then doesn't the fact that they're in shootouts mean it's an upgrade for Morris?I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
Run It Up
Footballguy
IMO depends on team composition of both owners.I think Decker is worth less than Morris, but if someone is hurting for a WR and isnt particularly high on his upside then go for it.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The Titans in week 1 and 2 (CJ2K has gotten very few carries in his first two games because TEN has been playing catch-up right off the bat)I disagree. What team abandons the run right off the bat? Just because a game becomes a shootout doesn't mean the "non pass catching" back gets yanked. Willis McGahee is a perfect example of this. You're also making this claim based on the assumption that Morris will not have ANY impact in the pass game from here on out. If he does happen to get somewhat involved (a reasonable assumption since he's got nowhere to go but up really in this regard) then doesn't the fact that they're in shootouts mean it's an upgrade for Morris?I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
The Colts in week 1 (IND abandoned the run once CHI went up big)
The Raiders in week 2 (OAK stopped feeding DMC and started chasing MIA)
The Saints in week 1 (NO abandoned the run once they started chasing WAS)
The Jaguars in week 2 (JAX abandoned the run and started chasing HOU)
The Cowboys in week 2 (Murray got minimal work on the ground vs. SEA as DAL played catch-up)
It happens. Morris also has decent hands. However, he only had 5 receptions through-out his college career so it's clearly not his forte. He's really a meant to kill clock. He was perfect for keeping Brees off the field in week 1 and everyone is perfect vs. STL. Royster is the superior pass blocker and Helu is the superior pass catcher. I like Morris, but I think it's kind of clear that he doesn't exactly have the skill set for an up tempo offense who needs to put points on the board ASAP.
As for the Morris for Decker trade. This actually happened in my biggest money league two days ago. The dude was REALLY hurting at RB though.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
If the word "value" wasn't in the title I think it'd be an acceptable move. Since it is, saying who was traded for what is very relevant to the topic. The mods dropped the ball on this. Now a good topic like this is going to get buried in a bunch of rubble.
I said after week one that all the signs showed that Shanahan is very committed to Morris. Week 2 certainly supported that. The only down side is that Morris does not appear to be catching many passes and he is not playing on obvious passing downs.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm not sure I buy this argument. Morris has been a big part of the gameplan for a team that so far has scored the most points in the NFL. And the teams you list gave up on the run because they weren't able to run the ball AND were giving up points. The whole idea behind the "Shanahan RB" is that they're rarely ineffective when playing, which is why they're coveted in the first place.So for your scenario to play out you would need:The Titans in week 1 and 2 (CJ2K has gotten very few carries in his first two games because TEN has been playing catch-up right off the bat)I disagree. What team abandons the run right off the bat? Just because a game becomes a shootout doesn't mean the "non pass catching" back gets yanked. Willis McGahee is a perfect example of this. You're also making this claim based on the assumption that Morris will not have ANY impact in the pass game from here on out. If he does happen to get somewhat involved (a reasonable assumption since he's got nowhere to go but up really in this regard) then doesn't the fact that they're in shootouts mean it's an upgrade for Morris?I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
The Colts in week 1 (IND abandoned the run once CHI went up big)
The Raiders in week 2 (OAK stopped feeding DMC and started chasing MIA)
The Saints in week 1 (NO abandoned the run once they started chasing WAS)
The Jaguars in week 2 (JAX abandoned the run and started chasing HOU)
The Cowboys in week 2 (Murray got minimal work on the ground vs. SEA as DAL played catch-up)
It happens. Morris also has decent hands. However, he only had 5 receptions through-out his college career so it's clearly not his forte. He's really a meant to kill clock. He was perfect for keeping Brees off the field in week 1 and everyone is perfect vs. STL. Royster is the superior pass blocker and Helu is the superior pass catcher. I like Morris, but I think it's kind of clear that he doesn't exactly have the skill set for an up tempo offense who needs to put points on the board ASAP.
As for the Morris for Decker trade. This actually happened in my biggest money league two days ago. The dude was REALLY hurting at RB though.
1) Redskins to give up alot of points early
2) Morris to not be involved in the passing game at all for the rest of the season
3) Redskins run game to be ineffective
4) RG3 to be ineffective in 1st half leading to early deficit
Sorry, but to me these situations will prove to be the exception as opposed to the rule.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Not all four need to happen for Morris to lose value. Really, only points 1 and 2 do. Point 1 will happen and point 2 has already happened. I'm not saying they will completely shy away from him but it's no coincidence Morris only touched the ball 16 times against STL as opposed to 28 times vs. NO. He's a high volume runner who isn't utilized in the passing game, much like Shonn Greene. If WAS at any point needs to play catch up (4th quarter last week), odds are he wont see much of the ball. His skill set caps his value, I don't see how you can't see that.I'm not sure I buy this argument. Morris has been a big part of the gameplan for a team that so far has scored the most points in the NFL. And the teams you list gave up on the run because they weren't able to run the ball AND were giving up points. The whole idea behind the "Shanahan RB" is that they're rarely ineffective when playing, which is why they're coveted in the first place.So for your scenario to play out you would need:The Titans in week 1 and 2 (CJ2K has gotten very few carries in his first two games because TEN has been playing catch-up right off the bat)I disagree. What team abandons the run right off the bat? Just because a game becomes a shootout doesn't mean the "non pass catching" back gets yanked. Willis McGahee is a perfect example of this. You're also making this claim based on the assumption that Morris will not have ANY impact in the pass game from here on out. If he does happen to get somewhat involved (a reasonable assumption since he's got nowhere to go but up really in this regard) then doesn't the fact that they're in shootouts mean it's an upgrade for Morris?I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
The Colts in week 1 (IND abandoned the run once CHI went up big)
The Raiders in week 2 (OAK stopped feeding DMC and started chasing MIA)
The Saints in week 1 (NO abandoned the run once they started chasing WAS)
The Jaguars in week 2 (JAX abandoned the run and started chasing HOU)
The Cowboys in week 2 (Murray got minimal work on the ground vs. SEA as DAL played catch-up)
It happens. Morris also has decent hands. However, he only had 5 receptions through-out his college career so it's clearly not his forte. He's really a meant to kill clock. He was perfect for keeping Brees off the field in week 1 and everyone is perfect vs. STL. Royster is the superior pass blocker and Helu is the superior pass catcher. I like Morris, but I think it's kind of clear that he doesn't exactly have the skill set for an up tempo offense who needs to put points on the board ASAP.
As for the Morris for Decker trade. This actually happened in my biggest money league two days ago. The dude was REALLY hurting at RB though.
1) Redskins to give up alot of points early
2) Morris to not be involved in the passing game at all for the rest of the season
3) Redskins run game to be ineffective
4) RG3 to be ineffective in 1st half leading to early deficit
Sorry, but to me these situations will prove to be the exception as opposed to the rule.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I agree that Morris probably won't be in 2 min drills or if the skins are in hurry up mode. And I understand that his lack of involvement in the pass game will cap his value. I just don't think it will happen often enough to warrant a sell.Not all four need to happen for Morris to lose value. Really, only points 1 and 2 do. Point 1 will happen and point 2 has already happened. I'm not saying they will completely shy away from him but it's no coincidence Morris only touched the ball 16 times against STL as opposed to 28 times vs. NO. He's a high volume runner who isn't utilized in the passing game, much like Shonn Greene. If WAS at any point needs to play catch up (4th quarter last week), odds are he wont see much of the ball. His skill set caps his value, I don't see how you can't see that.I'm not sure I buy this argument. Morris has been a big part of the gameplan for a team that so far has scored the most points in the NFL. And the teams you list gave up on the run because they weren't able to run the ball AND were giving up points. The whole idea behind the "Shanahan RB" is that they're rarely ineffective when playing, which is why they're coveted in the first place.So for your scenario to play out you would need:The Titans in week 1 and 2 (CJ2K has gotten very few carries in his first two games because TEN has been playing catch-up right off the bat)I disagree. What team abandons the run right off the bat? Just because a game becomes a shootout doesn't mean the "non pass catching" back gets yanked. Willis McGahee is a perfect example of this. You're also making this claim based on the assumption that Morris will not have ANY impact in the pass game from here on out. If he does happen to get somewhat involved (a reasonable assumption since he's got nowhere to go but up really in this regard) then doesn't the fact that they're in shootouts mean it's an upgrade for Morris?I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
The Colts in week 1 (IND abandoned the run once CHI went up big)
The Raiders in week 2 (OAK stopped feeding DMC and started chasing MIA)
The Saints in week 1 (NO abandoned the run once they started chasing WAS)
The Jaguars in week 2 (JAX abandoned the run and started chasing HOU)
The Cowboys in week 2 (Murray got minimal work on the ground vs. SEA as DAL played catch-up)
It happens. Morris also has decent hands. However, he only had 5 receptions through-out his college career so it's clearly not his forte. He's really a meant to kill clock. He was perfect for keeping Brees off the field in week 1 and everyone is perfect vs. STL. Royster is the superior pass blocker and Helu is the superior pass catcher. I like Morris, but I think it's kind of clear that he doesn't exactly have the skill set for an up tempo offense who needs to put points on the board ASAP.
As for the Morris for Decker trade. This actually happened in my biggest money league two days ago. The dude was REALLY hurting at RB though.
1) Redskins to give up alot of points early
2) Morris to not be involved in the passing game at all for the rest of the season
3) Redskins run game to be ineffective
4) RG3 to be ineffective in 1st half leading to early deficit
Sorry, but to me these situations will prove to be the exception as opposed to the rule.
Khy
Footballguy
Yea... I've tried a few flips for what I would call equal value so far in my one league. Essentially trying to get like a decent WR2 out of him. Had a couple owners think really hard then fall back onto the 'Shanny' situation view. I think at this point is value is more of a hold until it's apparent to potential buyers that he is going nowhere. I'd have to assume if he keeps putting up these numbers and no signs point to him losing the job over the next week or two then he will become that concrete RB2. At that point (Probably after this week, but maybe not until the end of next week) we should be able to start seeing some legitimate trades for him. Just as a note, some of the people I've been looking for straight up for him were Malcom Floyd, Steve Smith and V Jax... all 3 of the owners thought pretty hard on it and in the end backed out cause they said right now they just don't trust Shanny yet. I think by Week 4 I could make any of those trades move though.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't agree with you on this. The Skins defense was going to give up a lot of points anyway with Carriker and Orakpo. Now that they're out they'll give up even more. The only way Washington will have a chance is to outscore other teams. To do that they'll be trying to keep other defenses off balance by changing up their playcalling all through games. They've done that so far in the first 2 games and will keep doing it all season. Part of keeping other defenses is running when they're expecting pass. In my opinion they'll keep doing that. So far this year the Skins have run more than they have passed. I expect the ratio to be about equal all year.If you want to exclude runs by Grffin from their rushing attempts, and exclude passing attempts to RB's from their pass attempts, they have still run more.I've been saying this quite often lately, but the time to sell Morris is now. With WAS losing Orakpo and Carriker for the season, odds are their secondary will be exposed with little to no pass rush. IMO, WAS is going to be in more shootouts this year than originally expected, and I'm not so sure Shanny is going to lean on Morris once the team needs to play catch-up. I'm expecting Helu to get worked in more and more as the season progresses. Happy trading.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Morris still doing his thing but as the above post mentions they are playing from behind alot.....still look for him to start games and come out on 3rd downs and when playing from behind
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
He looks average at best everytime he touches the ball.
cstu
Footballguy
There's a lot of guys who would love to look 'average' and have a 4.6 YPC.
fatness
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Looks like I was wrong on Morris. He has been pretty darn productive. Especially when you look around the league at all the RB injuries and pathetic performances.
Whatever you say
fatness
Footballguy
Tristan Davis, I think. I've barely seen him play.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
pretty much same deal for me.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yup. I'm getting more interest in Chris Johnson than Morris.
sharptongued1
Footballguy
Maybe nobody will believe in him until he plays someone besides the two worst run defenses in the NFL and another ranked in the bottom 10. Let's see how he does against Tampa next week before we crown his ###.'Clifford said:
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