Yeah, don't know where I got 9 games. 6 games, 3 against the 27th, 31st and 32nd run Def.
Oh, and Smith only missed 2 of those games, Morris' 2 highest ypc games, so maybe the line wasn't that much less effective.
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Alfred Morris, why is he rated so low (1 Viewer)
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Oh, and Smith only missed 2 of those games, Morris' 2 highest ypc games, so maybe the line wasn't that much less effective.
Elevencents
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rockaction
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Yeah, that's true.
I don't want to detract from your overall point, which is well taken and one that I agree with. It took a total self-described Yinzer to grab Conner, who is next in line to a guy who has completely not reported anywhere near his facility and is still often going second in drafts.
Wat? No way. I want no piece of that.
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rockaction
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voiceofunreason
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Smith isn’t close to their best run blocker. Lot of Morris fans twisting facts to fit an argument. Go back and look at the previous five years where he did worse every year. He’s a jag, that’s it.
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Dallas great O-line in 2017-Zeke 4.1 YPC; Morris 4.8 YPC. No fact twisting. Morris did better behind same O-line. Morris is not better than Zeke, but to pretend he’s washed is false.
Try reading my post; best o-lineman, not best run-blocker. I can’t say I do enough O-line research to grade each guys run vs pass grades.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Washed up? He always was a jag. He benefited from rg3. His running ability killed defenses, I mean wrs were running around with nobody within 5 yards, and Morris had tons of room. There were stats of him with and without rg3 which prove it as well. He is in a good spot but he’s the definition of average. Cherry picking a handful of games with the best line in the league and ignoring the rest is just twisting the facts.Bayhawks said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/evansilva/status/541969619855368193?lang=en
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rockaction
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voiceofunreason
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rockaction
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Just a joke.
I think you're wrong because you simply declare he's a JAG with no premises to support that conclusion in deductive theory and you provide no evidence for a compelling inductive argument, really. Two declining years? Okay. His average YPC is 4.4 for his career. I don't know his DVOA.
And I'd love to sit and argue, but I have, yes, surgery that I need to prep for with rinses and such so I'll be back from the pharmacy in like an hour to pick up where we left off or not.
voiceofunreason
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He declined for 5 years. Plus this https://mobile.twitter.com/evansilva/status/541969619855368193?lang=en
He was a 6th round pick, had a below average colleg career for an nfl player and had two great years because of rg3 taking all of the defensive attention. Those are all facts. Without rg3 he’s well under 4 ypc for his career. I’d say that means more than 6 games with the cowboys.
I guess I assume people on here should know all this as I watched a lot of those games and I didn’t feel the need to explain.
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efactor
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Was glad they picked him up because they needed a big back on their roster, but as a main part of a RBBC, no thanks.voiceofunreason said:
He looked good against the Colts bad D-Line in a preseason game, so people got a little too excited. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see him doing much.
rockaction
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I'm back. Somebody is running out to pick up my prescriptions.
If you're going to call three straight years of 4+ YPC part of a decline, that's -- I guess -- technically accurate, but doesn't tell the whole story. I'd be awfully hesitant to call a guy a JAG when he's toting the rock for 4+.
In his first three seasons in which he rushed for over one thousand yards, guy actually toted the rock for an average of 1250-1300 yards from scrimmage, solely on the ground.
Then comes the decline -- the two seasons of 3.7 and 3.5 per carry, the latter of which he was not the starter in Dallas and received minimal work behind top-five overall pick Elliott, and the former of which saw a coaching change and an RBBC with Matt Jones. Morris isn't a JAG, he's started everywhere he's been (he started all sixteen in Washington in 2015), unless it's behind an MVP candidate and a guy considered one of the best runners of his generation in Zeke.
JAG is a tough label to pin on this guy. He's no burner, that's for sure. But he's not a bad back. To call him bad is extremely short-sighted, IMO. Why not let this all come out in the wash and we'll see who wins the job instead of back-and-forths about changes in coaching and styles (he's back with Shanahan, who got him his first three thousand+ seasons) and lines and even teams.
It's impossible to predict. But JAG is a strong term, and I'd advise against using for a guy who has rushed for the numbers he's capable of putting up.
If you're going to call three straight years of 4+ YPC part of a decline, that's -- I guess -- technically accurate, but doesn't tell the whole story. I'd be awfully hesitant to call a guy a JAG when he's toting the rock for 4+.
In his first three seasons in which he rushed for over one thousand yards, guy actually toted the rock for an average of 1250-1300 yards from scrimmage, solely on the ground.
Then comes the decline -- the two seasons of 3.7 and 3.5 per carry, the latter of which he was not the starter in Dallas and received minimal work behind top-five overall pick Elliott, and the former of which saw a coaching change and an RBBC with Matt Jones. Morris isn't a JAG, he's started everywhere he's been (he started all sixteen in Washington in 2015), unless it's behind an MVP candidate and a guy considered one of the best runners of his generation in Zeke.
JAG is a tough label to pin on this guy. He's no burner, that's for sure. But he's not a bad back. To call him bad is extremely short-sighted, IMO. Why not let this all come out in the wash and we'll see who wins the job instead of back-and-forths about changes in coaching and styles (he's back with Shanahan, who got him his first three thousand+ seasons) and lines and even teams.
It's impossible to predict. But JAG is a strong term, and I'd advise against using for a guy who has rushed for the numbers he's capable of putting up.
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Short Corner
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Most 12 team leagues have deeper benches. 16 is generally the floor.cjv123 said:
As far as Conner, there is belief that he will be in a timeshare if Bell goes down.
Short Corner
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They had 393 att from their RBs last year, about 24/game. If they go with a 75/25 split Morris would have close to 300 carries, 1200 yards, give him 8 TDs for about 170. I think SF will be more competitive this season so their att number should go up and running out the clock instead of playing catch-up in a handful of games will increase whatever share he would have had of those numbers.Silverstreak said:
3nOut
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Yeah....no. You argued that Alf did well because of Dallas’ O-line. When it was pointed out that he did well IN SPITE of the O line being down a top player, you tried to spin it as “see, it was the O line.” That’s like saying Hopkins only did well because of his QB, then when he still beasted after Watson got hurt, saying “see, it was his QB!”
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Damn this is interesting because I have Hyde and Duke ranked right next to Morris and Breida. I don't have a good answer, I just find it interesting.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hyde won me a championship in a three running back setup (two RBs/FLEX). Love Carlos Hyde and would swap Morris for Hyde in an instant.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Can we stop with the arguing just for the sake of arguing.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I think Hyde is more talented than Morris at this juncture in their careers but I feel like Hyde has more competition for carries. Duke is much better than Breida and Chubb can act as a Hyde proxy - there's no one else currently on SF's roster that is comparable to Morris. To me it's close unless SF signs someone similar to Morris. But the market agrees with you.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're pretty on top of it so I figured it was the competition within the team that affected your rankings to make them so close and I can't say I disagree with you. The premise was altered a little bit by me without explicitly stating it.
Heads up trade to the proverbial teams where everything else is a constant? Gimme Hyde.
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
The more I think about this, I think I’m going 65% or something on Morris. He proved last year that he isn’t washed up, and I love the situation. We have fairly deep benches, and most waiver guys go decently cheap during the season. I also like getting a guy for the entire season, assuming health.
Hilts
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Then why are we arguing? I don't believe anyone here thinks Morris is special. Just that he's good enough and in a great situation.
Put an average guy in a good situation and you can have a low to mid end rb2 for free off the ww.
rockaction
Footballguy
He once was. But the last time he was truly special in his YPC and overall yards, was, I'm reluctant to cede, with running quarterbacks, as voiceofunreason pointed out. JG is not one of those.
But he's a good back in a good situation. Both backs will get run. I've been predicting a loose, sort of hot hand RBBC, but we'll see if San Fran adds another back.
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Franknbeans
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he should be rated lower
Leroy Hoard
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rockaction
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Really? Draft status means nothing. Guess brady is a retread and TD shouldn't be in the hof.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Giving the benefit of the doubt to Silva that his point is the read option and RG3 helped Morris rushing efficiency because of the dual threat. Which isn't the point you are making, that Morris has declined since his first two years when he was with Skeletor Jr. who he is now reunited with.
Morris decline in YPC is significant but just as likely a product of change in coaches to Gruden who was looking for a RB who could catch the ball more effectively than Morris can as RG3 being the QB.
Looking at ypc for the first sample of 33 games makes more sense than it does in the 2nd sample of 12 games. The two samples are not really congruent.
Andrew74
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Weebs210
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Not everyone. I had a draft last night at 6pm. McKinnon went in the 3rd lmao and I got Morris in the 9th.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Fair value for sure. Would rather Alf in the 12th than AP in the 10th.
Pencil in Alf for 12 RuTD.
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe most who frequent here but it took a little while to populate after news broke yesterday. I was really annoyed with one guy in my league who picked at 12.03 then when the news broke about three picks later kept talking about it. Thankfully we had half the league drafting online and everyone in the room had already picked when news broke.
Not saying Morris is some guaranteed lottery winner but when you see a chance to get an edge, even a slim one, just shut the #### up and don't ruin it for those actually paying attention.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
12 tds? come on manFair value for sure. Would rather Alf in the 12th than AP in the 10th.
Pencil in Alf for 12 RuTD.
Chaka
Footballguy
Peterson went 09.06 as RB36.Fair value for sure. Would rather Alf in the 12th than AP in the 10th.
Pencil in Alf for 12 RuTD.
And I'm loving that 12 TD projection. From your lips to Shanny's playbook.
Andrew74
Footballguy
As a clarification everyone in this league knew. Some poor guy couldn’t make the online draft and his auto draft selected McKinnon and everyone was yucking it up. And Breida and Morris still went in 11th (to me) and 13th rounds. I will caveat this is a 4 man IDP league but I was surprised they went that late.
