matuski
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They seem to really be mixing it up in this trailer with the monster coming out the guy's back.
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ALIEN: Covenant. Ridley Scott movie. (Trailer #2 update) (1 Viewer)
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KarmaPolice
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For me it's not that it's hard to follow, it's just that it's a really stupid explanation to events that lead to the aliens. At the end of the movie my reaction was more "you've got to be ####in' kidding me", not "that didn't make sense". I just fell for the trap that a lot of the new sequels and reboots do, in that it seems they think what will make the movie feel more original is if they try to have an origin story for everything, and they usually fall flat. I think people would have just been happy with a kick ### Alien movie, seeing how the 4 before that were subpar to horrible.
flysack
Footballguy
The only slight pause I had was that the same race of pallid humanoids that kickstarted humanity was also responsible for creating the alien killers. That's a tad too neat. That was Scott pushing the Intelligent Panspermia theory down the throat of his narrative. The origin of the aliens themselves (military genetic weapon gone awry) was pretty interesting. The hint that the Engineers (i.e. pallid humanoids) consider humans as dangerous as the killer aliens is good misanthropic fun too.KarmaPolice said:
Plus it had a chick giving birth to a giant killer squid.
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dickey moe
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In the sequel one's going to seep out of a dude's urethra.matuski said:
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Porkchop Express
Footballguy
I dont get people that liked Promethues.
Its watching stupid people do nonsensical things for two hours. Just off the top of my head:
-The man scientist who after making the most significant scientific discovery ever pouts and acts like a 10 year who got socks for Christmas. Because the aliens werent alive.
-The guy whose whole job is mapping and has two advanced orbs do the job, gets lost in the same structure he mapped.
-The biologist who gets the heeby jeebies at the sight of dead things and wants to scram like Scooby Doo sees a snake and wants to pet it.
-Charlize Theron who has absolutely nothing to do, its the exact same film without her character.
-David, who for some reason decides to do a biological experiment on a crew member finds out another crew member has an aliens inside her because of that. His response is to say good luck with that and see ya later. He never brings it up again.
-The young actor with horrible old man makeup thinks simply asking an 'engineer' a question it will grant him a longer life, despite him having maybe an hour to live.
Holy Christ was this movie aggressively stupid.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Come on, I am surely not a fan of Prometheus, but it was still quite a bit better than AvP:Requiem.Matthias said:
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Prometheus - Ebert 4 stars 6/6/12 (passed 4/4/13)
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/prometheus-2012
Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" is a magnificent science-fiction film, all the more intriguing because it raises questions about the origin of human life and doesn't have the answers. It's in the classic tradition of golden age sci-fi, echoing Scott's "Alien" (1979), but creating a world of its own. I'm a pushover for material like this; it's a seamless blend of story, special effects and pitch-perfect casting, filmed in sane, effective 3-D that doesn't distract.
A scene at the outset shows a world with apparently only one animal being, a pale humanoid who stalks a high ridge surrounded by spectacular scenery. This person eats something that causes painful vomiting and rapid body decay. The vomit is followed into flowing water, where it seems to morph into living cellular structures. Where is this place? Is it Earth? Who is the being, and why is it alone and naked? Is the scene a visualization of the theory that life first arrived on Earth from outer space?
Cut to a human spaceship in the year 2093, qualifying "Prometheus" for a flash-forward spanning more years than the opening of "2001." The trillion-dollar ship Prometheus is en route to a distant world, which seems pointed to in prehistoric cave paintings. There's reason to believe human life may have originated there. It's an Earth-sized moon orbiting a giant planet, and at first it seems a disappointment: no growing things, unbreathable atmosphere. But the crew notices straight lines on the surface, and as we all know, nature makes no straight lines.
The lines lead to a vast dome or pyramid, and the film will mostly take place inside the dome and the Prometheus. But let's put the plot on hold and introduce two of the crew members: Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) wears a cross around her neck and believes life ultimately had a divine origin. Her boyfriend, Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green), accuses her, a scientist, of dismissing centuries of Darwinism. What they find in the pyramid leaves the question open. Alien humanoids, in suspended animation, incredibly have DNA that's a perfect match for our own. So they could somehow have brought life to Earth — but why? And from this moon where they slumber inside their pyramid, or from another planet around a distant star? Why did they stop here? What are they waiting for?
The film then develops horror scenes comparable to "Alien," although it depends more on action and weaponry than that film's use of shadows and silence. For me, the most spellbinding scenes involve the crew members exploring the passages and caverns inside the pyramid, obviously unvisited in aeons, and their experiences with some of the hibernating alien beings. One of the key members of this crew is David (Michael Fassbender), an android, who knows or can figure out more or less everything, even alien languages, and is sort of a walking, talking, utterly fearless HAL 9000.
The alien race in "Prometheus" shares a body characteristic that reminds me of "Alien" and countless films since: Elements can detach from them and enter into other bodies as hostile parasites. This leads to an astonishing sequence in which Elizabeth, alone on the ship, discovers she is pregnant with an alien Something and somehow finds the will to control a robot surgery device that removes it. Her later showdown with a waning oxygen supply shows equal resourcefulness; Noomi Rapace ("The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo," 2009) continues here the tradition of awesome feminine strength begun by Sigourney Weaver in "Alien."
Another strong woman is on board, Meredith Vickers (Charlize Theron), a representative of the corporation that privately financed the Prometheus. She treats the others like her employees, which they are, and believes she always speaks for the company's wishes. The ship's captain, Janek (Idris Elba), makes no pretensions of scientific expertise like the others but is a no-nonsense working pilot. Janek has the most interesting evolution, from the irreverent hipster in his first scenes into a man with the ability to intuit the truth about what he's seeing.
The most tantalizing element is how it plays with the role of these DNA twins. Did they create life on Earth? The possibility of two identical DNAs as a coincidence is unthinkable. Charlie digs at Elizabeth, suggesting their existence disproves her beliefs. Her obvious response: Where did they come from? This puzzle is embedded in an adventure film that has staggering visuals, expert horror, mind-challenging ideas and enough unanswered questions to prime the inevitable sequel.
* Rotten Tomatoes (72% Aggregate Critic Score)
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/prometheus-2012
Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" is a magnificent science-fiction film, all the more intriguing because it raises questions about the origin of human life and doesn't have the answers. It's in the classic tradition of golden age sci-fi, echoing Scott's "Alien" (1979), but creating a world of its own. I'm a pushover for material like this; it's a seamless blend of story, special effects and pitch-perfect casting, filmed in sane, effective 3-D that doesn't distract.
A scene at the outset shows a world with apparently only one animal being, a pale humanoid who stalks a high ridge surrounded by spectacular scenery. This person eats something that causes painful vomiting and rapid body decay. The vomit is followed into flowing water, where it seems to morph into living cellular structures. Where is this place? Is it Earth? Who is the being, and why is it alone and naked? Is the scene a visualization of the theory that life first arrived on Earth from outer space?
Cut to a human spaceship in the year 2093, qualifying "Prometheus" for a flash-forward spanning more years than the opening of "2001." The trillion-dollar ship Prometheus is en route to a distant world, which seems pointed to in prehistoric cave paintings. There's reason to believe human life may have originated there. It's an Earth-sized moon orbiting a giant planet, and at first it seems a disappointment: no growing things, unbreathable atmosphere. But the crew notices straight lines on the surface, and as we all know, nature makes no straight lines.
The lines lead to a vast dome or pyramid, and the film will mostly take place inside the dome and the Prometheus. But let's put the plot on hold and introduce two of the crew members: Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) wears a cross around her neck and believes life ultimately had a divine origin. Her boyfriend, Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green), accuses her, a scientist, of dismissing centuries of Darwinism. What they find in the pyramid leaves the question open. Alien humanoids, in suspended animation, incredibly have DNA that's a perfect match for our own. So they could somehow have brought life to Earth — but why? And from this moon where they slumber inside their pyramid, or from another planet around a distant star? Why did they stop here? What are they waiting for?
The film then develops horror scenes comparable to "Alien," although it depends more on action and weaponry than that film's use of shadows and silence. For me, the most spellbinding scenes involve the crew members exploring the passages and caverns inside the pyramid, obviously unvisited in aeons, and their experiences with some of the hibernating alien beings. One of the key members of this crew is David (Michael Fassbender), an android, who knows or can figure out more or less everything, even alien languages, and is sort of a walking, talking, utterly fearless HAL 9000.
The alien race in "Prometheus" shares a body characteristic that reminds me of "Alien" and countless films since: Elements can detach from them and enter into other bodies as hostile parasites. This leads to an astonishing sequence in which Elizabeth, alone on the ship, discovers she is pregnant with an alien Something and somehow finds the will to control a robot surgery device that removes it. Her later showdown with a waning oxygen supply shows equal resourcefulness; Noomi Rapace ("The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo," 2009) continues here the tradition of awesome feminine strength begun by Sigourney Weaver in "Alien."
Another strong woman is on board, Meredith Vickers (Charlize Theron), a representative of the corporation that privately financed the Prometheus. She treats the others like her employees, which they are, and believes she always speaks for the company's wishes. The ship's captain, Janek (Idris Elba), makes no pretensions of scientific expertise like the others but is a no-nonsense working pilot. Janek has the most interesting evolution, from the irreverent hipster in his first scenes into a man with the ability to intuit the truth about what he's seeing.
The most tantalizing element is how it plays with the role of these DNA twins. Did they create life on Earth? The possibility of two identical DNAs as a coincidence is unthinkable. Charlie digs at Elizabeth, suggesting their existence disproves her beliefs. Her obvious response: Where did they come from? This puzzle is embedded in an adventure film that has staggering visuals, expert horror, mind-challenging ideas and enough unanswered questions to prime the inevitable sequel.
* Rotten Tomatoes (72% Aggregate Critic Score)
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Getting the thread back on track:
I am a big fan of the Alien series, but the trailer is a little underwhelming. It really just looks like a redo of Alien without a new idea. I hope j am wrong, but...
The whole franchise has been botched after Aliens. The natural progression would have had Ripley, Hicks and Newt return to Earth with a face-hugger in tow and then we would have had war on earth---which would have just been amazing.
Instead they unceremoniously just kill off Newt and Hicks forgetting how much those characters meant to the second movie and we get a bald Sigourney surrounded by a bunch of new characters playing convicts that frankly all look alike and we could care less if they die. The best part of the movie was the camera-work.
Then we get a bunch of movies with Alien in the title, that are all just disjointed messes and give little snippets of Alien lore but no substance.
i mean the movie that sort of showed promise for war on Earth was AvP: Requiem and they screwed that one up with just terrible filming, battles at night in the rain and terrible acting. That movie had one memorable scene and that was the mom being sucked out the window after telling her daughter there's no such thing as monsters .
Man, if I could have taken this series over from the beginning--things would have been different.
I am a big fan of the Alien series, but the trailer is a little underwhelming. It really just looks like a redo of Alien without a new idea. I hope j am wrong, but...
The whole franchise has been botched after Aliens. The natural progression would have had Ripley, Hicks and Newt return to Earth with a face-hugger in tow and then we would have had war on earth---which would have just been amazing.
Instead they unceremoniously just kill off Newt and Hicks forgetting how much those characters meant to the second movie and we get a bald Sigourney surrounded by a bunch of new characters playing convicts that frankly all look alike and we could care less if they die. The best part of the movie was the camera-work.
Then we get a bunch of movies with Alien in the title, that are all just disjointed messes and give little snippets of Alien lore but no substance.
i mean the movie that sort of showed promise for war on Earth was AvP: Requiem and they screwed that one up with just terrible filming, battles at night in the rain and terrible acting. That movie had one memorable scene and that was the mom being sucked out the window after telling her daughter there's no such thing as monsters .
Man, if I could have taken this series over from the beginning--things would have been different.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Great - so it's a hyper-CGI remake of Aliens without Bill Paxton? Looks like I will pass on this too.
I feel about 20 years older than I am grumbling about these movies.
I feel about 20 years older than I am grumbling about these movies.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I say this a lot in threads, but I am the opposite. So much so, that I really have stopped watching trailers for the most part. Usually the most I'll do before watching is just read a synopsis and see who is in it or who made it. To a fault, trailers are designed to show what the movie is about. For me the reaction of the movie vs. trailer is usually one or two of:
1. The movie was what I expected to see after watching the trailer (both good and bad). You can for sure get a good feel for what the tone and the look of the movie is going to be. They are designed to get you excited to see the movie. It's not like they are going to show "subpar" GCI or scenes and risk people not going to see it. The alien jumping on the ship at the end of the trailer is telling me I am not going to enjoy the look of this one.
2. I like the movie a bit less, and this is mostly because they show too many plot points or jokes in the trailers. It feels like you have already seen the movie. Trailers for horror and comedy movies are especially bad for these reasons - they show too many of the main jokes and scares.
Again, I have largely just avoided trailers for the past few years, so maybe I am missing something. I am mostly talking about the look of the movie/CGI here. Sometimes the overall plot of the movie might surprise me and make me like the movie a little more than I thought. Of course I am overly CGI sensitive, but I can't remember not liking a trailer b/c of how it looked (Jurassic World for example) and then been pleasantly surprised by how great it looked.
Buzzbait
Footballguy
You are wrong. Did you not see that this time the alien comes out the back? That changes everything man!
flysack
Footballguy
The Atlantic defends Prometheus -
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/05/why-prometheus-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously/527151/?utm_source=atlfb
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/05/why-prometheus-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously/527151/?utm_source=atlfb
flysack
Footballguy
And the victims are families, in love.You are wrong. Did you not see that this time the alien comes out the back? That changes everything man!
I'm confident Scott won't have one eye-rolling sentimental moment in the film.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Just got back. Weird movie. Not typical alien movie at all. Ending sucked IMHO. At least I can fall back on the fact my wife picked it.
Todem
Footballguy
I am a fan of the film. My wife and I really enjoyed it and we do re-watch it from time to time. I am really looking forward to Alien Covenant this up coming weekend.
dhockster
Footballguy
I found it interesting in that the focus was less on the aliens and more on David and creationism. Other than David/Walter, none of the other characters were very interesting or well established. The captain was weak, the female lead was Sigourney-very-lite, but I still enjoyed it due to David's role. His sense of evil was much more palpaple than HAL or Ash. I especially liked that David never directly hurt the humans (because he couldn't), but he still felt them unworthy, and therefore developed the aliens to kill the humans.
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tommyboy
Footballguy
Prometheus is a great sci fi movie that benefits from repeated viewings. There's a ton going on in the movie regardless of the on-screen action. Turns out AI is going to kill is all
Otis
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
I finally watched Alien Covenant last night and actually thought Prometheus was a far better film.
The two movies have the same underlying concept, AI will kill us all. the difference is in Prometheus they don't come out and hit you over the head with it repeatedly for 2 hours. I thought Alien Covenant was the kind of movie you make to spell everything out clearly so no one can misunderstand what the object or plot of the film is. I find those types of sci fi movies pretty boring. Having said that, David is the most ####ed up AI imaginable.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Actually just watched this on a flight last week... pretty much summed it up for me. Weird watching and Alien movie with hardly any aliens.
Hilts
Footballguy
I understand what they think they were trying to do. David is better but has been treated as a lesser being. He grows angry, resentful, and lonely. If that's the route they really wanted to go, they should have gone with it. Feels they half assed that angle. Which is a shame as it could have worked really well.
msommer
Footballguy
Just saw it, plot holes you could drive a terraforming truck through, particularly in the ending. A lot of stupidity among the supposed professionals. Not a lot of original ideas. Probably won't watch again.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ridley seemed to forget that this movie was a se/prequel to Aliens and not Blade Runner. The themes seemed to have been mixed in a blender.
And the characters are dumb - not just in what they do but in who they are. Am I supposed to believe that a multi trillion dollar effort only has people running it that look like they should be sitting behind the counter of a truck stop diner? These people are at the opposite end of elite - which they would have to be by necessity.
Throw me a bone and tell me why the engineers created the virus in the first place. David could have undoubtedly figured that out during his time on their planet.
It just feels like the whole effort made a conscientious effort to play Alien fans for suckers. The script was so lazy and underdeveloped it's insulting. It simply can't be that difficult to create a good script based on this universe.
And the characters are dumb - not just in what they do but in who they are. Am I supposed to believe that a multi trillion dollar effort only has people running it that look like they should be sitting behind the counter of a truck stop diner? These people are at the opposite end of elite - which they would have to be by necessity.
Throw me a bone and tell me why the engineers created the virus in the first place. David could have undoubtedly figured that out during his time on their planet.
It just feels like the whole effort made a conscientious effort to play Alien fans for suckers. The script was so lazy and underdeveloped it's insulting. It simply can't be that difficult to create a good script based on this universe.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Prometheus was about a 6/10 for me which means that there were at least a few interesting things but the movie ultimately fails.
Covenant was a 5/10 which means I can't think of a single thing I liked about it. Anything with a lower score means that it contains things offensive/repulsive/insulting.
Covenant was a 5/10 which means I can't think of a single thing I liked about it. Anything with a lower score means that it contains things offensive/repulsive/insulting.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
I will be glad to answer all your questions.
First about the crew. They were all... oops I slipped in some blood.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For sure, just thought it was odd that a 5/10 is a movie you didn't like anything about is all.There's a difference between not liking something versus it actively angering.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am sure a lot of people would say The Martian, I was going to say Black Hawk Down.
Keith R
The Don
Also, 4/10 or less is a very high percentage on a bell curve for movies that offend or infuriate you.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But there's different levels of offensiveness too.
Team America isn't as awful as Human Centipede (which I've never seen and never will) but it's still offensive and awful and scores about a 3/10. There's at least a chuckle or two in the former but the latter has no reason to even exist.
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