Statler & Waldorf
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Jones could get hurt. And even without him starting or getting the majority of the carries, I think Greene should be a nice flex play.
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ALL ABOARD The Shonn Greene Train! (1 Viewer)
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I'm curious to see how many carries he gets over the next few weeks. He may work his way in to my lineup. If he does well with limited carries I could see him getting more work. People are ignoring the fact that he's averaging 1.5 yds/carry more than T. Jones. Opportunity is everything sometimes and this could be his.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Well, let's see...somewhat disgruntled veteran who wants a huge contract (maybe even bigger than what he was asking for this past offseason) vs. a guy they moved up to draft in the first year of his rookie contract. SO FAR, Greene has looked every bit as good as Jones, granted in limited opportunities. But if Greene continues to outperform why couldn't they move him into the primary role of a RBBC? Especially if they see him as the main back in 2010. So yes, I absolutely think there is a chance.
sandlotshrink
Footballguy
I have no dog in this fight b/c I dropped Greene after week 2 and he's been sitting on the WW ever since. I'm sure someone will pick him up after this week and start him, but they are chasing numbers IMHO. My guess would be they (Rex Ryan) do not want to go to battle in tight/division games with a rookie QB and a rookie RB, and not to mention a new WR1 to the team.
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MCguidance
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To play devil's advocate, do you think that if those rookies give them a better chance to win they would make them sit based on experience? The NFL is the one sport that you are expected to play right away, unlike baseball, hockey, or even basketball to some degree. If they give the Jets a better chance, they are going to play.That being said, I'm not sure that's the case right now.
shader
Footballguy
Obvious Thomas Jones owner
pantherclub
Footballguy
I own both but i am also realistic. Unless Jones gets hurt Greenes value is minimal. It would be a huge gamble to start him based on one good game against the worst team in the NFL. The raiders quit around the 2nd quarter yesterday. I think Greene has a great future but some of you guys are kidding yourselves if you think he is going to win your championship. There is no scenario, contract or not, that Jones loses his job when they are in the thick of a playoff race. As I said upthread he might get 10-15 carries at best, now if you feel he can produce with that then by all means roll the dice but my point is if you are having to start him as a 1 or 2 RB you are already way behind the 8 ball.
packersfan
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I can't believe there's anyone who believes Greene will be a RB1 or even a RB2. The question is whether he will have a large enough role to generate RB3 value. If the belief is that he will get double-digit carries each game the way Washington did, then I do think Greene could have RB3 value most weeks. And if he has that type of value then he becomes someone who is worth starting if the matchup is favorable. And given how good the Jets can run the ball, I think the matchup in terms of the running game will be in their favor more often than not.
Instinctive
Footballguy
First of all, can we get rid of this stupid "he must own ___" s**t from the SP? It's moronic, irrelevant, and adds nothing to discussion. That being said...I think there is absolutely a chance that Jones gets hurt or has a bad game or two and Greene steps up and runs with the opportunity. I just stashed him behind Peterson/Grant/Bradshaw because you never know who's gonna help you win in the playoffs, and the picking up of players like ARZ Def (Det/Stl 15/16) Greene, Wells, and other such players who aren't valuable now, but could prove quite valuable when you need them, is what makes the difference between 2nd or 3rd and a championship.Now, if you're 3-4 or 4-3 and trying to squeeze points out of anywhere this may not be the move for you, or if you have upcoming byes and short benches, but if you're 6-1, 5-2...then you definitely want to start looking ahead. That's the shark move.
pantherclub
Footballguy
If jones gets hurt then all bets are off. However we cannot assume he will get hurt and since we are past the midway point of the byes I still think you would be reaching if you started him based on one great game. I like Instintives analysis about stashing him away and hoping for an injury. If you have a winning record I do not see you starting him under any circumstances unless Jones is hurt. Having said that I think Greene is easily a early 2nd or maybe late 1rst next year. Jones is just playing too well right now to rock the boat, plus the fact that we dont know how well greene blocks at this point, a skill incredibly vital for a team with a rookie qb
You seem to have made the mistake of applying your leagues rosters to this entire discussion. How many teams are in your league and how many players on each roster?I'll tell you this, in our 10 person league with 23 player rosters and 6 starting offensive positions he will be a valuable addition many weeks this year.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm still trying to figure out how a RB who could get double-digit carries per game on a team with a strong run-based offensive line is someone nobody would want to be starting.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Absolutely agree 100%!! 12 Team 3 Player Keeper with a Rookie Keeper added this year.
I picked him up in my draft in August with my 10.04 pick
I have been holding him for the later part of the season for his opportunity to develop.
I hate that Leon got hurt. I realize T Jones is aging and has a higher $$ for next year and was told no to a new contract. Leon was offered a new contract, but did not sign it. He wanted more.
I saw Iowa RB S Greene tear up South Carolina defense last season in the Outback Bowl. He ran for 121 yards and 3 TD. He was the difference in the game. Granted the South Carolina Run Defense was not great last year, but he made them look like Div II caliber. He avg'd 4.2 ypc. They gave up an season avg 3.6 prior the that.
As for this season, I see him as getting 10-12 touches a game. Some GL opportunity and a few receptions. Nothing big there, but they will want to evaluate him in real situations and determine what he can offer for their future.
They have to decide what to do with TJ and Greene makes it easier for them.
I watched every carry Greene had in college. He is an above average starter in the NFL. He has stone hands so he will not help you with receiving. As a starter I would say 10-20 catches a year.
I honestly believe he is better than Thomas Jones right now. Today. I am not saying he will take over as the #1 RB in NY but I think he is better right now. Today.
He runs physical and angry like Frank Gore and Marion Barber.
I honestly believe he is better than Thomas Jones right now. Today. I am not saying he will take over as the #1 RB in NY but I think he is better right now. Today.
He runs physical and angry like Frank Gore and Marion Barber.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Or Cedric Benson? Who the hell is coaching these rbs in chicago anyways?
I may be forced to start him and before my loss this week, I was sitting in first (2nd or 3rd now). If Westbrook is out I will either be starting McGahee, Greene, or Faulk. LJ is on bye and Leon went down. I expect to be in the playoffs.
I think he holds some value down the stretch due to the fact that T. Jones isn't going to carry the ball 300 more times this season.
I think he holds some value down the stretch due to the fact that T. Jones isn't going to carry the ball 300 more times this season.
Birdie048
Footballguy
He also looked impressive against the Saints (4 carries for 23 yards). But not so hot vs Miami (3 for 8). Opportunity is here. I like his potential and his situation. Beanie is really on a passing offense. He will see RBBC after this year more than Greene.
I'd rather have Greene.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Think I'm going to drop Felix Jones and pick up Greene in a redraft non-ppr league. I think Greene has more upside this season.
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
i've been holding greene in redrafts. i loved his late round value and really thought he'd get a chance this year and see goalline opps. where i failed was thinking it would be jones that struggled or got hurt. not leon.
Church of Iggy Pop
Footballguy
anyone have the
to start Greene next week?
I'll be starting Greene <shtick>with confidence</shtick>.Hey, with Benson on BYE, it's either Greene or Jamaal Charles as my RB2. (16-team league )
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If Washington had value as a flex getting 10-15 total touches a game, I see no reason why Greene wouldn't as well.
Greene isn't going to overtake Jones without an injury this season......but that doesn't preclude him from being a productive player for fantasy. How many years is it going to take before people realize that if a team runs it enough they CAN support two runners from a fantasy perspective? I think the Jets have an excellent chance to wind up one of those teams: They have a great OL, a coach with a proclivity to run it a lot, a rookie QB who's been backsliding, a strong D, and a home field that will have some really lousy weather in the second half of the year.
That said, I don't think Ryan wants to run Jones' 30-year-old body into the dust if they have playoff aspirations, so I don't expect him to just absorb 90% of Washington's workload. I can buy him seeing more third down work now, but that may mean they just give Greene a series or two during the game in an attempt to keep Jones as fresh as possible.
The Jets still have the Panthers, Bucs, and Bills on the slate going forward. Those contests probably bode well for BOTH Jets runners. Hell, most of their remaining opponents are exactly world beaters vs. the run(Colts, Pats, Falcons, Dolphins and Cincy). Statistically their toughest draw is probably the Bengals, and they don't play them until week 17, so for most leagues they aren't relevant to the equation.
Greene isn't going to overtake Jones without an injury this season......but that doesn't preclude him from being a productive player for fantasy. How many years is it going to take before people realize that if a team runs it enough they CAN support two runners from a fantasy perspective? I think the Jets have an excellent chance to wind up one of those teams: They have a great OL, a coach with a proclivity to run it a lot, a rookie QB who's been backsliding, a strong D, and a home field that will have some really lousy weather in the second half of the year.
That said, I don't think Ryan wants to run Jones' 30-year-old body into the dust if they have playoff aspirations, so I don't expect him to just absorb 90% of Washington's workload. I can buy him seeing more third down work now, but that may mean they just give Greene a series or two during the game in an attempt to keep Jones as fresh as possible.
The Jets still have the Panthers, Bucs, and Bills on the slate going forward. Those contests probably bode well for BOTH Jets runners. Hell, most of their remaining opponents are exactly world beaters vs. the run(Colts, Pats, Falcons, Dolphins and Cincy). Statistically their toughest draw is probably the Bengals, and they don't play them until week 17, so for most leagues they aren't relevant to the equation.
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
i don't want to crap the train that i'm riding on but i'm going to hold back some of my enthusiasm for greene until he gets a bunch of carries against some other team than oakland. game was over from the start. had woodhead gotten more carries he might have gotten 100 yards too.
greene did look extremely well tho. a lot faster than i remember seeing from him at iowa. he even reminded me a little of watching a healthy johnny stewart.
greene did look extremely well tho. a lot faster than i remember seeing from him at iowa. he even reminded me a little of watching a healthy johnny stewart.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I'm using this game to try to trade Greene for Beanie Wells
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
This is the FA pick-up I've been saving my $$ for. Not saying he'll produce or even that I'll get him (might get out-bid), but I sure don't want to just let my league mates snag him for nothing. If I overspend and he does nothing, so be it. But I don't want to be the idiot with all his FA $$ left if he's a viable option down the stretch. Love the Jets schedule the second half vs the run.
ETA: Good chance that I try to trade him if I land him...
ETA: Good chance that I try to trade him if I land him...
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MCguidance
Footballguy
TJones is the train.
eaganwildcats
Footballguy
Anyone have thoughts on Greene's dynasty prospects moving forward after seeing him a couple more weeks? I have not seen any Jets games - does he still look good? Has there been anything new on Jones potentially staying/leaving?
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⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I'd like to know if TJ's contract situation could bring Greene into play in the next year or two.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
TJ's age, by default, brings Greene into play very very soon.
Rovers
Footballguy
If by very soon, you mean next year, I agree. Maybe week 17. Maybe not.
cstu
Footballguy
Rovers
Footballguy
How was Clemens supposed to do since he never gets any PT with the ones? He was only in for a few plays. He can manage a game as well, actually better than Sanchez, and the Jets won't let Sanchez throw more than 20 times a game anyway. Either way, starting Greene is a real stretch. TB does give up points to RB's, but if you are flexing Greene by this time of the year, you are in trouble. His fumbling problems alone keep him off the fild, nevermind he still can't effectively pick up a blitz or know when to release for an outlet pass. Greene might have a decent week if the Jets go up and they run the ball in garbage time, but that's about it.
Rovers
Footballguy
Anything can happen.... if the Jets get up, Greene might well get 15 carries against the poor TB run D, it's just too risky for my blood to bet on when most owners have more reliable flex's to use instead. Greene tends puts the ball on the ground. He will spell TJ, but unless the game is well in hand, especially at the GL, I just don't see him putting up any numbers worthy of a start this week when most FF playoffs begin. I can see the Jets rushing the ball 40 times. 25 or even more for Jones, 8 or 9 for Greene, and a handful for Woodhead, Brad Smith and a WR here or there.
brownies19
Footballguy
Was curious which station the Shonn Greene train was at - end of the season and have the opportunity to put Greene on my roster. Did some searching and found this (more of a Thomas Jones article, but a good read to gauge Greene's value)....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A0wN...w&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A0wN...w&type=lgns
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
in one of my leagues i traded my 2010 1st for greene before the season started. ended up being pick #4, and looking at the backs available in the 2010 draft i'd still do it.
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