Almost 50% of all black males are arrested before the age of 23 (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

 

[bigbottom]

Asian males?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Asian males?

-4%

 

[squistion]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Hire them hookers & hear their hilarious tales?

 

[Dentist]

I'm guessing 90% of the above are people below the poverty line.

So if we just arrest all the poor it will take care of the problem.

 

[Slapdash]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Yep

 

[timschochet]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.

But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

 

[mr roboto]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Not really. Adjust for socioeconomic factors and get back to me.

 

[mr roboto]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9So whites have higher avg income than Hispanics, who are higher still than African Americans...

 

[timschochet]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

 

[Jewell]

But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Or it may suggest that different people commit different amounts of crime.

What do victim reports reflect regarding the race of the perpetrator?

What do criminal rates from around the globe reflect? Particularly those areas that have predominantly black police and judges and thus are less apt to have alleged systemic bias? Do those areas also have higher levels of crime?

 

[mr roboto]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

 

[McGarnicle]

Seems like a meaningless stat. Race notwithstanding, guys in their late teens & early 20's like to go out, get drunk, get into fights, experiment with drugs, etc. It's part of growing up, for a good chunk of the male populace. To put "black" in the thread title is misleading and racist.

Worst thread ever IMO.

 

[StrikeS2k]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Some type of pigmentation substitution procedure?

 

[timschochet]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

Couldn't it be both? That's what I believe, anyhow.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So no matter what race you are, a very large percentage of the male population is arrested before they are 23. Crazy.

 

[mr roboto]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

Couldn't it be both? That's what I believe, anyhow.

Sure. That's the nice thing about unfounded opinions, Tim. You can believe anything you want.

 

[DrJ]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

When we start locking people up for not having health care it'll only get worse.

We should probably decriminalize a lot of stuff rather than trending the other way.

 

[timschochet]

Decriminalization is, of course, the other big issue here. 40% of ALL males is way too big a number. Coming from a nice, white, upper middle class neighborhood, I knew very few people growing up who were ever arrested.

 

[DiStefano]

It's just going to get worse. The numbers show that warmer temperatures tend to lead to higher arrests, and as Tim will tell you, there is scientific proof that temperatures will soar by 10 degrees Celsius by the end of the century.

 

[modogg]

also should consider the crimes people were arrested for.

 

[squistion]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.

But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Maybe, maybe not...from the comments at the link:

James Watt 08.01.2014 18:46This article is totally bogus. Doing a 'sample survey study' of kids who are arrested is scientific garbage. Use the FBI and Dept. of Justice Stats, or barring that, use Center for Disease Control stats. These are comprehensive and show what is really going on. Some jerk with a grant can prejudice self-gathered stats to say anything they want.
James Watt 08.01.2014 18:38This is an intentionally misleading headline, followed by an equally misleading article.

It is using FBI murder stats for the "44% white males", but FBI does not separate Hispanics out. It then quotes Dept. of Just stats of 26% Hispanic and 22% White which does separate the two. ACTUALLY, these stats are for murders...not all arrests. This article is meaningless propaganda.

The actual stats are for murder and race are this:

Blacks, 50% of murders, but only 12-13% of US total pop.

Hispanics, 26% of murders, 13% of US pop

Whites, 22% of murders, 64% of US pop.

Asians, 2% for 5% of US pop.

 

[TakiToki]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

Couldn't it be both? That's what I believe, anyhow.

Sure. That's the nice thing about unfounded opinions, Tim. You can believe anything you want.

You would admit that your opinion, at least based on what you've posted, is just as unfounded, right?

 

[T Bell]

That percentage is unacceptable. Clearly we need to do a better job arresting black males.

 

[eoMMan]

What are the stats for the prison population?

 

[DrJ]

Decriminalization is, of course, the other big issue here. 40% of ALL males is way too big a number. Coming from a nice, white, upper middle class neighborhood, I knew very few people growing up who were ever arrested.

Several of my friends (and myself) got arrested at one point or another. Take away weed related offenses and you're almost at 0. And there were several other times we all should have been arrested, but often times cops take your stuff and give you a scolding because they don't really care that much. Or they take your word for it that it was "two other guys" shooting fireworks off of the school rooftop. Odds of them just taking your stuff and leaving you alone probably goes down if you're a minority, but using just these obviously incomplete numbers it's quite a bit less than I actually would have imagined.

 

[Stinger Ray]

You had a good thing going with a thread about hookers and you sink to crap like this. You won't ever learn.

 

[Christo]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

Couldn't it be both? That's what I believe, anyhow.

Woah, woah. You're forming an opinion without all of the facts? That's just not like you.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What are the stats for the prison population?

Based on prison surveys, it appears that very near 100% of whites, blacks, and Hispanics have been arrested at least once.

 

[the moops]

So no matter what race you are, a very large percentage of the male population is arrested before they are 23. Crazy.

I was arrested a couple times before the age of 23.

#### happens

 

[seahawk 17]

It's not a race thing. It's a drug, alcohol, and mental illness thing.

You guys can take that and spin it into something racist.

 

[Jewell]

I was arrested a couple times before the age of 23.

#### happens

Rest area sting?

 

[the moops]

I was arrested a couple times before the age of 23.

#### happens

Rest area sting?

Exactly

 

[mr roboto]

Income by race...

The Census Bureau has released its annual report on poverty, income, and health insurance.

The chart below shows the state of American income last year based on race.

"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005," according to the report (the levels were not statistically significant from the 2011 report).

US Census Bureau

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9

Well, that's a separate problem (though not unrelated.)

I would say that lower income/more poverty is the cause of higher arrest rates, not systemic racial bias by police or legal system.

Couldn't it be both? That's what I believe, anyhow.

Sure. That's the nice thing about unfounded opinions, Tim. You can believe anything you want.

You would admit that your opinion, at least based on what you've posted, is just as unfounded, right?

Fortunately, 'what I've posted' isn't the only information available to us. Crime linked to poverty - longitudinal study that shows racial invariance

http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming%20in%20the%20Journal%20of%20Poverty.pdf

Poverty, not race, tied to high crime rates in urban neighborhoods

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

 

[Jewell]

Crime linked to poverty - longitudinal study that shows racial invariance

http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming%20in%20the%20Journal%20of%20Poverty.pdf

Poverty, not race, tied to high crime rates in urban neighborhoods

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

If poverty is the best indicator of crime, then why isn't there a higher crime rate per capita in America's poorest counties?

1 Buffalo County, South Dakota $5,213

2 Shannon County, South Dakota $6,286

3 Starr County, Texas $7,069

4 Ziebach County, South Dakota $7,463

5 Todd County, South Dakota $7,714

6 Sioux County, North Dakota $7,731

7 Corson County, South Dakota $8,615

8 Wade Hampton, Alaska $8,717

9 Maverick County, Texas $8,758

From: List of lowest income counties in the United States

 

[SoBeDad]

What are the stats for the prison population?

Some tidbits from from wikipedia:

• For men in their early thirties, African-Americans are more than twice as likely to have a prison record than whites.
• The data from 2008 reveals that Black Americans are over-represented in terms of arrests made in virtually all types of crime, with the exceptions of "Driving under the influence" and "Liquor laws". Overall, Black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times).
• The results are highly dependent on education. 30 percent of those without college education and nearly 60 percent of high school dropouts had prison records.

The role of culture and family is as important as poverty. Black Haitians in Miami have a lower average income than Black non-Haitians, yet have a lower crime rate. Is poor white Appalachia a high crime area? In poor black America, I think the family unit is disappearing. Same as in Tegucigalpa, the slums of Rio, etc.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Crime linked to poverty - longitudinal study that shows racial invariance

http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming%20in%20the%20Journal%20of%20Poverty.pdf

Poverty, not race, tied to high crime rates in urban neighborhoods

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

If poverty is the best indicator of crime, then why isn't there a higher crime rate per capita in America's poorest counties?

1 Buffalo County, South Dakota $5,213

2 Shannon County, South Dakota $6,286

3 Starr County, Texas $7,069

4 Ziebach County, South Dakota $7,463

5 Todd County, South Dakota $7,714

6 Sioux County, North Dakota $7,731

7 Corson County, South Dakota $8,615

8 Wade Hampton, Alaska $8,717

9 Maverick County, Texas $8,758

From: List of lowest income counties in the United States

Those all look like sparsely populated areas where there might not be many opportunities for crimes and nobody might notice if you committed one.

 

[Jewell]

Crime linked to poverty - longitudinal study that shows racial invariance

http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming%20in%20the%20Journal%20of%20Poverty.pdf

Poverty, not race, tied to high crime rates in urban neighborhoods

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

If poverty is the best indicator of crime, then why isn't there a higher crime rate per capita in America's poorest counties?

1 Buffalo County, South Dakota $5,213

2 Shannon County, South Dakota $6,286

3 Starr County, Texas $7,069

4 Ziebach County, South Dakota $7,463

5 Todd County, South Dakota $7,714

6 Sioux County, North Dakota $7,731

7 Corson County, South Dakota $8,615

8 Wade Hampton, Alaska $8,717

9 Maverick County, Texas $8,758

From: List of lowest income counties in the United States

Those all look like sparsely populated areas where there might not be many opportunities for crimes and nobody might notice if you committed one.

O.K., how about this densely populated, impoverished area then...

During the 1960s, one neighborhood in San Francisco had the lowest income, the highest unemployment rate, the highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 per year, the least educational attainment, the highest tuberculosis rate, the highest proportion of substandard housing of any area of the city.

That neighborhood was called Chinatown. Yet in 1965, there were only five persons of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California.

The Chinese were for many years denied access to public schools of California, not allowed to testify against whites in trials, and made the object of discriminatory taxation.

The experience of the Chinese and Japanese suggests that social isolation, substandard living conditions, and general poverty are not invariably associated with high crime rates among racially distinct groups.

From: Crime & Human Nature: The Definitive Study of the Causes of Crime

 

[Thorn]

Decriminalization is, of course, the other big issue here. 40% of ALL males is way too big a number. Coming from a nice, white, upper middle class neighborhood, I knew very few people growing up who were ever arrested.

Don't assume that everyone you knew growing up would tell you about it if they got arrested.

 

[Slapdash]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Maybe, maybe not...from the comments at the link:

James Watt 08.01.2014 18:46

This article is totally bogus. Doing a 'sample survey study' of kids who are arrested is scientific garbage. Use the FBI and Dept. of Justice Stats, or barring that, use Center for Disease Control stats. These are comprehensive and show what is really going on. Some jerk with a grant can prejudice self-gathered stats to say anything they want.

James Watt 08.01.2014 18:38

This is an intentionally misleading headline, followed by an equally misleading article.

It is using FBI murder stats for the "44% white males", but FBI does not separate Hispanics out. It then quotes Dept. of Just stats of 26% Hispanic and 22% White which does separate the two. ACTUALLY, these stats are for murders...not all arrests. This article is meaningless propaganda.

The actual stats are for murder and race are this:

Blacks, 50% of murders, but only 12-13% of US total pop.

Hispanics, 26% of murders, 13% of US pop

Whites, 22% of murders, 64% of US pop.

Asians, 2% for 5% of US pop.

I bet this article would have been truthful 8 out of 10 times!

 

[Fennis]

I cant believe that's true

 

[Fennis]

I, for one, can't believe RT.com would lie to me.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.

But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Prisons are big business Tim.

 

[-fish-]

We got any stats on midgets? Cause they seem to be up to something...

 

[Sarnoff]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

If anything, these numbers are far too low. The police are not catching enough lawbreakers.

The average American commits three felonies per day. The court system is violating Due Process by using Prosecutorial Discretion in not charging all of these crimes. The cops should be making far more arrests and the number of prosecutions should be much higher. That the numbers are so low suggests that judges, prosecutors, and the police are deciding winners & losers instead of leaving justice blind.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I was arrested, but I walked.

 

[[icon]]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

And we stabilize this to reflect cross-racial bias

 

[msommer]

This even got airtime on the radio news here in Denmark. I'm shocked that it did. No conclusions drawn obviously merely reporting the numbers (although they did say 38% white males).

I wonder what the corresponding numbers are here. I know only one guy that for sure was arrested among my friends, and that was for being a richard to a cop that was being a richard to him. My friend was drunk at the time, so there is that. Not sure if it was before 23 though.

 

[RCon]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Get the numbers for those who were actually convicted of a crime, not just arrested and get back to us.

Don't have those, but that's got to be pretty high too. Per the article, our prison population is higher than any other developed nation.

But even beyond that, the arrest ratios may suggest a systemic bias.

Seriously? If anything, those numbers disprove a systemic bias by race. After you adjust for socio-economic factors, I'd guess that the white male numbers would be highest.