Alright, what did we learn about the Minny running game? (1 Viewer)

[varmint cong]

I realize AD had a good game, what worries me is the 12 carries( take away the 55 yd run), Minny's O, and taylor starting. Will this be a trend? thoughts?

 

[Keys Myaths]

The final few posts in this thread delved into it a little bit.

 

[mozzy84]

I have no clue what this coaching staff is doing with AD. I know he missed a couple blocks yesterday but two carries in the second half is a joke.

 

[MOAT]

You can't take away plays. AP is an explosive player. That, by definition, means that he is there to have 55 yds runs.

CT is there to wear down the d-line to open things up for AP. Agreed, AP needs more carries. I expect he will start getting them. AP is the only thing the Vikes have right now. From a ticket sales standpoint, the only thing that makes sense is the showcase him.

I hope they don't do what SD seems to be trying. Pass and minimize their use of a stellar RB, despite evidence that it isn't working.

Let's hope it all comes down to $$$ and ticket sales. If so, the only thing to do is center the team around AP.

 

[prymetyme25]

As a Houston Homer and a Texas native AP is awesome I've watched him since HS and I think he could have played in the NFL then, HE WAS THAT GOOD. You guys are so lucky to be one of only about 5 to 6 teams that can trot out a stud runner. Being a Texans fan I can only dream that this could happen to us. Dude had 10 car for 108 yds at the half with only 1 carry for less than 4 yds. How does he not have 20+ carries for the game is beyond me. I really do hope that he must be still partially injuried because that would be the only logical explanation. As an AP owner I really do like the fact that CT is there to keep him fresh and in the end I think it give AP a better chance to have a great season.

Congrat Minny fans, you might not be winning right now but when it comes together all I can say is WOW.

 

[Warpig]

You can't take away plays.

Sure you can. People LOVE to do that on these boards. But I agree with you.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Sure you can. People LOVE to do that on these boards. But I agree with you.

I have to say, you've got stones for keeping that signature up.

 

[Warpig]

Sure you can. People LOVE to do that on these boards. But I agree with you.

I have to say, you've got stones for keeping that signature up.

<_< It just keeps getting worse.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Childress and that coaching staff wouldn't know how to use LT, Gates, Chad Johnson, Owens and Moss if they all played for MINN. Clueless dopes, IMO.

 

[jurb26]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

 

[Texican]

I realize AD had a good game, what worries me is the 12 carries( take away the 55 yd run), Minny's O, and taylor starting. Will this be a trend? thoughts?

He was 12 for 112 yards. Okay, take away the 55 yarder (BS BTW). He was 11 for 57 - still over 5 yards per carry.

I really do like the fact that CT is there to keep him fresh and in the end I think it give AP a better chance to have a great season.

:X

 

[Texican]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

ADP - 12 carries, 112 yards (longest=55yards)CT - 8 carries, 40 yards (longest=37yards)Each had 1 reception (6 yards and 11 yards respectively)RBBC is not the problem. Chester should be out there some, this will only help ADP stay fresh. Coaching/playcalling is the problem. (Of course the QB situation does not help either.) Your best player should be getting more touches.

 

[mozzy84]

ohh yea and they have him doing kickoff returns now I guess

 

[tietzjd]

I realize AD had a good game, what worries me is the 12 carries( take away the 55 yd run), Minny's O, and taylor starting. Will this be a trend? thoughts?

He was 12 for 112 yards. Okay, take away the 55 yarder (BS BTW). He was 11 for 57 - still over 5 yards per carry.

I really do like the fact that CT is there to keep him fresh and in the end I think it give AP a better chance to have a great season.

YOU CAN NOT TAKE A BIG RUN AWAY BUT IF YOU DIDCT= 7 Carries for 3 yards.... YUCK!!!!!!!!Childress is a moron for keeping the only game chaning player off the field.

 

[sholditch]

There a few things that keep me positive about his carries:

1. Childress is not good coach and does not have a strong hold on the job or the faith of the fans. Therefore, his every move is questioned, and taking carries away from a back that can average over 10 ypc and is the most exciting player on the team simply won't withstand the pressure. It will come from the fans first and front office second.

2. CT is simply not that good. I know he averaged 5 ypc in this game, but when you get 37 yards in once carry and spend the other 7 combining for three yards, that's one good run vs. 7 terrible ones. This is really a microcosm of his 06 season. Good overall numbers which give a deceptive portrait of him being good. He's not good and is one of the most inconsistent runners in the league. I broke down his season in another thread, but he had as many games over 4.0 ypc (5) as he did under 3.0 ypc

3. Minny has no shot at the playoffs this year and as the season wears on, this will become increasingly apparent, meaning that the pressure to give AP more carries will increase as the season wears on.

4. Apparently ADP does not need anywhere close to a full load to have a great game.

 

[packersfan]

Peterson could have easily run for over 150 yards yesterday if Childress didn't shockingly stop giving him the ball. The Packers have a good defense but they had no answer for Peterson for most of the game. And given Peterson's running style it's possible he could have worn down the Green Bay defense as the game went on. I can appreciate the desire to keep Peterson fresh and not wear him out - that's smart - but when you're sitting him for extended periods and not taking full advantage of what he brings to your team that's just poor coaching. It was nothing short of amazing to see what happened yesterday. As a Packers fan I'm thrilled with the win but as I posted in another thread that was an absolute gift from Childress.

It will be interesting to see if there's any pressure from inside the Vikings' organization to make better use of the player who is easily their top offensive weapon. Somebody needs to tell Childress he's p*****g away the team's season with his current approach.

 

[fatboyj711]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

if AP is given 75%+ of the carries and gets hurt, and a quality player like chester is sitting on the bench, the mob will be demanding childress' head for playing AP too much... let's face it, AP has experienced issues with injuries (some being pretty serious) in the past at oklahoma... giving away a few carries to taylor is in the best interest of AP owners...

 

[sholditch]

If AP is reserved like he was last game, the Vikings MIGHT win 5 games this year. If they ride AP and let him carry the team, they actually have a legit shot, albeit it a small one, at a Wild Card bid. So you can either try to use him to win games for you, and risk him being a little tired at the end of the season, or you can limit him to keep him fresh for later in the season when you are sitting at 4-7 and have no shot at getting to the playoffs. Which makes more sense?

 

[FFdork]

Usually when you have an incumbant keeping his job over a clearly superior talent, you have one of two situations:

1. Old-school coach that has a bias towards veterans. Becoming more and more rare in the current NFL.

2. Rookie struggles with the non-flashy parts of a positioin. For RBs, this is usually pass blocking and hot route responsibilities. I can't bring myself to watch that much MN football, but I did hear the commentators talking about a missed assignment for ADP when I checked into the game. Would like to hear what people watching closely think.

On a different tangent, I know this is probably fan-talk as oppossed to how coaches think, but is there any point in running a talented rookie RB into the rookie wall or into the ground when you have NO chance of doing anything this year? Even if you are delusional and think you have a chance of doing something, wouldn't you rather keep him fresh all year by rotating?

 

[prymetyme25]

If AP is reserved like he was last game, the Vikings MIGHT win 5 games this year. If they ride AP and let him carry the team, they actually have a legit shot, albeit it a small one, at a Wild Card bid. So you can either try to use him to win games for you, and risk him being a little tired at the end of the season, or you can limit him to keep him fresh for later in the season when you are sitting at 4-7 and have no shot at getting to the playoffs. Which makes more sense?

If Minny is gonna use a 2 back system maybe they should take a look at Dallas and see how its dont they have IMO by far been the most prominent at doing this in this Modern Era that I 've seen so far.

 

[packersfan]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

if AP is given 75%+ of the carries and gets hurt, and a quality player like chester is sitting on the bench, the mob will be demanding childress' head for playing AP too much... let's face it, AP has experienced issues with injuries (some being pretty serious) in the past at oklahoma... giving away a few carries to taylor is in the best interest of AP owners...

As a Peterson owner I welcome Taylor or Moore's presence. I have ZERO concerns about him losing some carries each week. As I've posted in this thread and others it's the smart move to make. However, I don't know how anyone can argue with a straight face that giving Peterson three total touches in the second half of a close game against a defense that showed no signs it could stop him was the right move to make. Even if I wasn't a Peterson owner I'd be shocked at what I saw yesterday. That's inept coaching, pure and simple.

 

[delusional]

AP is the real deal. Thats what I learned and was shocked.

He proved my ### wrong.

 

[fatboyj711]

Usually when you have an incumbant keeping his job over a clearly superior talent, you have one of two situations:

1. Old-school coach that has a bias towards veterans. Becoming more and more rare in the current NFL.

2. Rookie struggles with the non-flashy parts of a positioin. For RBs, this is usually pass blocking and hot route responsibilities. I can't bring myself to watch that much MN football, but I did hear the commentators talking about a missed assignment for ADP when I checked into the game. Would like to hear what people watching closely think.

On a different tangent, I know this is probably fan-talk as oppossed to how coaches think, but is there any point in running a talented rookie RB into the rookie wall or into the ground when you have NO chance of doing anything this year? Even if you are delusional and think you have a chance of doing something, wouldn't you rather keep him fresh all year by rotating?

AD - 15 carriesCP - 7 carries

i don't see the incumbent keeping his job over a clearly superior back here... i see the superior back getting the lionshare of carries while the incumbent keeps the superior back fresh

 

[sholditch]

Usually when you have an incumbant keeping his job over a clearly superior talent, you have one of two situations:

1. Old-school coach that has a bias towards veterans. Becoming more and more rare in the current NFL.

2. Rookie struggles with the non-flashy parts of a positioin. For RBs, this is usually pass blocking and hot route responsibilities. I can't bring myself to watch that much MN football, but I did hear the commentators talking about a missed assignment for ADP when I checked into the game. Would like to hear what people watching closely think.

On a different tangent, I know this is probably fan-talk as oppossed to how coaches think, but is there any point in running a talented rookie RB into the rookie wall or into the ground when you have NO chance of doing anything this year? Even if you are delusional and think you have a chance of doing something, wouldn't you rather keep him fresh all year by rotating?

I would think that when your playoff hopes disappear from the horizon, that's the time to give the rook as much PT as possible, because the experience would serve the rook better the next year. And if he gets hurt, then you let him rest and he has a whole year to recover.

 

[sholditch]

Usually when you have an incumbant keeping his job over a clearly superior talent, you have one of two situations:

1. Old-school coach that has a bias towards veterans. Becoming more and more rare in the current NFL.

2. Rookie struggles with the non-flashy parts of a positioin. For RBs, this is usually pass blocking and hot route responsibilities. I can't bring myself to watch that much MN football, but I did hear the commentators talking about a missed assignment for ADP when I checked into the game. Would like to hear what people watching closely think.

On a different tangent, I know this is probably fan-talk as oppossed to how coaches think, but is there any point in running a talented rookie RB into the rookie wall or into the ground when you have NO chance of doing anything this year? Even if you are delusional and think you have a chance of doing something, wouldn't you rather keep him fresh all year by rotating?

AD - 12 carriesCP - 8 carries

i don't see the incumbent keeping his job over a clearly superior back here... i see the superior back getting the lionshare of carries while the incumbent keeps the superior back fresh

fixed

 

[wahooo]

That 55 yarder was a thing of beauty. He reminded me of Bo Jackson and could end up as rookie of the year.

 

[SayWhat?]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

if AP is given 75%+ of the carries and gets hurt, and a quality player like chester is sitting on the bench, the mob will be demanding childress' head for playing AP too much... let's face it, AP has experienced issues with injuries (some being pretty serious) in the past at oklahoma...

This couldn't be further from the truth (but you're dead on that Taylor should be getting "some" of the carries). The "mob" is already calling for his head because it's so painful to watch their inept offense and even more painful to watch their inept offense when Childress keeps putting their only offensive threat on the sidelines when he's needed most. The fact that all three of the Vikings losses have been so mismanaged from an offensive standpoint is pretty sickening. The fans won't stand for much more of it IMO and I think it'll show for their upcoming homes games soon-to-be-blacked-out.

 

[packersfan]

That 55 yarder was a thing of beauty. He reminded me of Bo Jackson and could end up as rookie of the year.

Not if Childress has anything to say about it.

 

[RedRaiders]

Childress was this unbalanced in his playcalling in Philly as well. Completely unreasonable to have Kelly Holcomb attempting 40 passes a game.

 

[prymetyme25]

Usually when you have an incumbant keeping his job over a clearly superior talent, you have one of two situations:

1. Old-school coach that has a bias towards veterans. Becoming more and more rare in the current NFL.

2. Rookie struggles with the non-flashy parts of a positioin. For RBs, this is usually pass blocking and hot route responsibilities. I can't bring myself to watch that much MN football, but I did hear the commentators talking about a missed assignment for ADP when I checked into the game. Would like to hear what people watching closely think.

On a different tangent, I know this is probably fan-talk as oppossed to how coaches think, but is there any point in running a talented rookie RB into the rookie wall or into the ground when you have NO chance of doing anything this year? Even if you are delusional and think you have a chance of doing something, wouldn't you rather keep him fresh all year by rotating?

I brokedown the 1 Minny game that I had a chance to watch if your interested.

Match Up Write Up

Vikings

T-JAX:

He had a horrible day and I would put this loss squarely on his shoulders. I really feel like he is not playing HIS game and not putting the type of fear he potentially can put in a defense.(ie Dual threat QB) He seems fairly reluctant to run. He also is not using his armstrength to his advantage.(no way he should be underthrowing his wrs) Today he just throw some very bad balls out there. Bad placement IMO. All 4 of the INTs were on him.

Outlook: I dont think T-JAX can be evaluated on this game as I would call this just a horrible day. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that someone stole his car or he lost his wallet as this just was not his day. He also got hurt to go along with the rest of his day. Anything that could have gone bad for him did.

AP:

First off I'll say that if a defender tackles him 1-on-1 and stops his forward motion he should feel very fortunate as I dont see it happening to often. He was not asked to block much in this game as he was use in the routes alot. HE HAD NO EFFECT ON ANY OF T-JAX INTS as he was not on the field for 3 of 4 of them. The 1 int that he was in on he had a chip and show on the opposite side of the play.(I thought this was a poorly designed play as they had noone back to block and DET overloaded the weak-side and the LT had no chance to block 2 guys on the edge.) He did however have 2 suspect plays that caught my eye. The first he made a good block, but when Jackson rolled out AP didn't release and make himself an option. The second was a bad block IMO as he took a bad angle and got partially beat outside and his defender made the throw more difficult than it had to be. (ball was skipped to wr but det didn't challenge the play.) May have been a combo of AP blocking his man outside and Jackson rolling outside but I was just letting you know. All other pass play that he was in on he was not asked to block. It doesn't seem as though Vikes will use him as a blocking back. He looked like a very natural reciever. Another note to the game that I think is very underated is that T. Richardson did not play in this game.

Outlook: AP seems to be able to do everything as a back(not good news for CT IMO)

Min DST: They shouldn't be available in your league but if they are you better get them. Vikes just dont give any room to run, but they do seem to be vulnerable on the edges if you can get there. If a team doesnt have good guard play they are in for a long day. McCaulley looks like a CB steal where he was drafted and a real player too. He doesnt miss many open field or 1-on-1 tackles.

I'm not a vikes homer. I do however own ADP in one league and I'm from texas so its clear i like him but I tried not to let that influence my evalution of him. Please tell me how i did. I can handle the slamming so be honest.

In that I did see that AP needs to work on his block release, seems to either leaving too early or too late.

 

[Raider Nation]

You can't take away plays.

Sure you can. People LOVE to do that on these boards.

My biggest pet peeve, bar none. Drives me crazy.

 

[Keys Myaths]

You can't take away plays.

Sure you can. People LOVE to do that on these boards.

My biggest pet peeve, bar none. Drives me crazy.

Meh, it's about 10th on my list.

 

[ratpfink]

This is like a Raider game I remember. Norv Turner's team gets 1st & goal inside the 5. Randy Moss is on the sideline, visibly upset that he's not out there to score a TD. The Raiders didn't get the TD.

Turner and Childress are both not very successful coaches and part of that has to be because they don't utilize the talent that they have on their team.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

If AP is reserved like he was last game, the Vikings MIGHT win 5 games this year. If they ride AP and let him carry the team, they actually have a legit shot, albeit it a small one, at a Wild Card bid. So you can either try to use him to win games for you, and risk him being a little tired at the end of the season, or you can limit him to keep him fresh for later in the season when you are sitting at 4-7 and have no shot at getting to the playoffs. Which makes more sense?

The Vikings have 0% chance at a wildcard. This was byfar the easiest stretch of their schedule and they squandered it. I would say they have about 25% chance to even get to 5 wins.

 

[Phurfur]

I agree with most of these posts but in the end it comes down to one thing, Minn does not have a pssing game. Their QBs and WRs suck.

 

[sholditch]

If AP is reserved like he was last game, the Vikings MIGHT win 5 games this year. If they ride AP and let him carry the team, they actually have a legit shot, albeit it a small one, at a Wild Card bid. So you can either try to use him to win games for you, and risk him being a little tired at the end of the season, or you can limit him to keep him fresh for later in the season when you are sitting at 4-7 and have no shot at getting to the playoffs. Which makes more sense?

The Vikings have 0% chance at a wildcard. This was byfar the easiest stretch of their schedule and they squandered it. I would say they have about 25% chance to even get to 5 wins.

I agree actually, but there is a big difference from a fan's perspective to having a perceived shot at winning games vs. none. If AP gets 20 cpg from here on out that in no way is going to make up for their lack of a passing game. However, it would give the some fan base some hope and something to root for.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

If AP is reserved like he was last game, the Vikings MIGHT win 5 games this year. If they ride AP and let him carry the team, they actually have a legit shot, albeit it a small one, at a Wild Card bid. So you can either try to use him to win games for you, and risk him being a little tired at the end of the season, or you can limit him to keep him fresh for later in the season when you are sitting at 4-7 and have no shot at getting to the playoffs. Which makes more sense?

The Vikings have 0% chance at a wildcard. This was byfar the easiest stretch of their schedule and they squandered it. I would say they have about 25% chance to even get to 5 wins.

I agree actually, but there is a big difference from a fan's perspective to having a perceived shot at winning games vs. none. If AP gets 20 cpg from here on out that in no way is going to make up for their lack of a passing game. However, it would give the some fan base some hope and something to root for.

Agree. If they want to avoid blackouts, they need to showcase their best talent and the future of the team.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

How come the Vikings can never have a good offense and a good defense at the same time? I think if Moss and C pepp were still here we would be 4-0. Heck, with just Moss still here we would be 4-0. Heck, with just an average QB and no Moss we would be at least 3-1.

 

[OU#1]

Things I've learned:Before you label ADP as the next Westy let me reassure you he is not injury prone. He had a ankle sprain in his sophmore season which is a common injury. His junior season he decided to dive into the end zone after a big run and broke his collarbone. His freshman season he hurt his shoulder and played through it and had over 1900 yards (should have won the Heisman IMHO). Besides the fluke collarbone (which could have been avoided) I don't see any of these things enough to consider him "injury prone". They are common things that happen to RB's that get 25-30 carries/game with D's stacking 8+ guys in the box every game.Just like his freshman season at OU ADP is doing everything so far based on his RAW talent. We are at the tip of the iceberg here-you haven't seen anything yet.Just like I said all week in the numerous "CT is back" threads: CT will only help ADP. Fresh ADP = . It's not how many carries he gets...it's what he does with those carries that matters. I'll take 10 YPC thank you very much.The lack of Minny's passing game isn't going to stop ADP from getting his 100 Yds/game, but it definately is hurting his TD's. :(I don't care who ADP is playing-start him every week. I don't know what more the guy can do to prove he has reached "stud status". All of the "experts" labled ADP as the "bust of the week" because "GB limited LT to 60 yards on 20 something carries" and "GB has the number 3 D against the run". BLAH BLAH BLAH. Different gameplan, different O-line, and different RB's. What's worse is SD arguably has a better passing game than MIN and ADP still had 100+ yards AT HALFTIME.Obviously the only thing that can hold ADP back is his coaching staff and horrible playcalling. Some examples:

1-10-MIN20 (9:47) A.Peterson left guard to MIN 28 for 8 yards (A.Hawk, C.Jenkins). 2-2-MIN28 (9:11) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle to A.Peterson. 3-2-MIN28 (9:05) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to B.Wade to MIN 33 for 5 yards (C.Woodson). Penalty on GB-C.Woodson, Defensive Pass Interference, declined. 1-10-MIN33 (8:37) A.Peterson left end to MIN 37 for 4 yards (R.Pickett). 2-6-MIN37 (7:57) A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 47 for 10 yards (A.Bigby). 1-10-MIN47 (7:24) K.Holcomb pass intended for B.Wade INTERCEPTED by C.Woodson at GB 42. C.Woodson for 58 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on GB-C.Woodson, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 47 - No Play. 1-10-GB48 (7:11) K.Holcomb pass short left to J.Dugan to GB 34 for 14 yards (A.Bigby). FUMBLES (A.Bigby), RECOVERED by GB-J.Jolly at GB 35. J.Jolly to MIN 46 for 19 yards (M.Birk).

Ok ADP is obviously carrying you in this drive: 1st and 10 he gets you 8 yards. I'll excuse the 2nd and 2 pass attempt, but 3rd and 2 you pass again and get bailed out with a penalty. So you do the right thing and go back to ADP. He gets you a reasonable 2nd and 6 with a 4 yd gain, you run him again and he gets you 10 yards. Golden! Ok now WTF are you doing passing on 1st and 10!?!? This is where CT is suppost to come in and get 1-3 yards setting up a manageable 2nd and 7ish. You got sooo lucky there was a penalty or it was pick-6 for GB. Did we learn our lesson? Nope! Let's pass again on 1st and 10! Oops fumbleroosky! So much for that drive...

1-10-MIN20 (4:56) C.Taylor left guard to MIN 23 for 3 yards (R.Pickett, J.Jolly). 2-7-MIN23 (4:13) (Shotgun) PENALTY on MIN-M.Birk, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 23 - No Play. 2-12-MIN18 (3:46) (Shotgun) PENALTY on MIN-K.Holcomb, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 18 - No Play. 2-17-MIN13 (3:27) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to T.Williamson to MIN 29 for 16 yards (J.Bush). 3-1-MIN29 (2:45) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to S.Rice to MIN 40 for 11 yards (J.Bush). 1-10-MIN40 (2:04) K.Holcomb sacked at MIN 32 for -8 yards (A.Kampman). 2-18-MIN32 (1:30) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to B.Wade to MIN 43 for 11 yards (N.Barnett). 3-7-MIN43 46) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to S.Rice to GB 42 for 15 yards (J.Bush). 1-10-GB42 08) C.Taylor up the middle to GB 41 for 1 yard (R.Pickett). 2-9-GB41 (15:00) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short left to C.Taylor. 3-9-GB41 (14:56) K.Holcomb pass incomplete deep left to T.Williamson. 4-9-GB41 (14:50) C.Kluwe punts 36 yards to GB 5, Center-C.Loeffler, out of bounds.

CT doing his best to kill the drive with ADP on the sideline. Penalties hurt but Holcomb actually gets in some type of rhythm. They pass on 3rd and 1 and get 11 yards. Can't argue with sucess, but eventually Holcomb's inconsistency comes back to haunt them.

1-10-MIN34 (12:45) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short right. PENALTY on GB-A.Harris, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 34 - No Play. 1-10-MIN39 (12:38) A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 48 for 9 yards (N.Barnett). 2-1-MIN48 (11:59) A.Peterson left tackle to GB 47 for 5 yards (A.Hawk, C.Williams). 1-10-GB47 (11:17) A.Peterson right guard to GB 43 for 4 yards (N.Barnett, C.Cole). 2-6-GB43 (10:39) K.Holcomb pass short right to V.Shiancoe to GB 39 for 4 yards (A.Bigby). 3-2-GB39 (9:57) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle to S.Rice (C.Jenkins). 4-2-GB39 (9:52) C.Kluwe punts 30 yards to GB 9, Center-C.Loeffler. C.Woodson pushed ob at GB 18 for 9 yards (B.Leber).

ADP=stud. Good job running him three times in a row! Now bring in CT on 2nd and 6 and let him get his 1-3 yards. Then bring ADP back in on 3rd and 3-5 and let him get you the first down. OR you can let Holcomb kill your drive with his inconsistent play? Wise choice I must say.

1-10-MIN8 (7:37) A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 13 for 5 yards (N.Collins). GB-C.Williams was injured during the play. His return is Probable. 2-5-MIN13 (7:24) A.Peterson right tackle to GB 32 for 55 yards (N.Collins). GB-N.Collins was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 1-10-GB32 (6:50) C.Taylor left tackle to GB 34 for -2 yards (C.Jenkins). 2-12-GB34 (6:09) A.Peterson left tackle to GB 26 for 8 yards (A.Hawk, N.Barnett). 3-4-GB26 (5:28) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle. 4-4-GB26 (5:24) R.Longwell 44 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe.

ADP=Uber Stud. 1st and 10 he gets you 5. Absolutely give him the rock again: He gets you 55 yards and gives a safety a nice ride. Ok you might think ADP is "winded" after scampering 55 yards, but he's "All day" Peterson after all. No reason to pull him here, but CT comes in and gets you -2 on 1st, ADP comes in and gives you 8 on 2nd setting up a manageable 3rd and short, and Holcomb kills the drive as usual. At least we got some points here!

1-10-MIN42 (4:18) K.Holcomb pass deep right to B.Wade pushed ob at GB 18 for 40 yards (C.Woodson). 1-10-GB18 (3:53) C.Taylor left guard to GB 16 for 2 yards (C.Jenkins; J.Jolly). 2-8-GB16 (3:10) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short right to C.Taylor. 3-8-GB16 (3:05) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to C.Taylor to GB 11 for 5 yards (A.Hawk). PENALTY on MIN-B.McKinnie, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 16 - No Play. Penalty on MIN-K.Holcomb, Illegal Motion, declined. 3-18-GB26 (2:41) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to B.Wade to GB 17 for 9 yards (N.Barnett). 4-9-GB17 (2:00) R.Longwell 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe.

Ok Holcomb completes a bomb to Wade. You're in the red zone and ADP is on the bench? How many yards does ADP have now? 100+ on 10 carries? Well guess what CT got you his typical 2 yd gain and a holding penalty kills the drive. Enjoy your FG boneheads. I'm thinking Longwell is the #1 K'er in FF if this keeps up all season.ADP had two carries and one catch in the second half (on two looks). I don't think anything more needs to be said about that. At least they used him on kickoff returns!I have faith that eventually the Minny coaching staff figures it out and starts to make ADP the focal point of the offense. There's nothing wrong with running the ball 50 times a game. That's 30 carries for ADP and 20 carries for CT in a 60/40 split. Once TJax gets back maybe they can start running the wishbone?

 

[varmint cong]

We've learned what we already knew and the AP crowd still does not want to believe. This is a RBBC.

ADP - 12 carries, 112 yards (longest=55yards)CT - 8 carries, 40 yards (longest=37yards)Each had 1 reception (6 yards and 11 yards respectively)RBBC is not the problem. Chester should be out there some, this will only help ADP stay fresh. Coaching/playcalling is the problem. (Of course the QB situation does not help either.) Your best player should be getting more touches.

I agree totally, the RBBC plays a role, but what scares me more is the playcalling and opponents lack of respect for the Passing game, all of which affect ADP value.

 

[varmint cong]

Things I've learned:Before you label ADP as the next Westy let me reassure you he is not injury prone. He had a ankle sprain in his sophmore season which is a common injury. His junior season he decided to dive into the end zone after a big run and broke his collarbone. His freshman season he hurt his shoulder and played through it and had over 1900 yards (should have won the Heisman IMHO). Besides the fluke collarbone (which could have been avoided) I don't see any of these things enough to consider him "injury prone". They are common things that happen to RB's that get 25-30 carries/game with D's stacking 8+ guys in the box every game.Just like his freshman season at OU ADP is doing everything so far based on his RAW talent. We are at the tip of the iceberg here-you haven't seen anything yet.Just like I said all week in the numerous "CT is back" threads: CT will only help ADP. Fresh ADP = . It's not how many carries he gets...it's what he does with those carries that matters. I'll take 10 YPC thank you very much.The lack of Minny's passing game isn't going to stop ADP from getting his 100 Yds/game, but it definately is hurting his TD's. :(I don't care who ADP is playing-start him every week. I don't know what more the guy can do to prove he has reached "stud status". All of the "experts" labled ADP as the "bust of the week" because "GB limited LT to 60 yards on 20 something carries" and "GB has the number 3 D against the run". BLAH BLAH BLAH. Different gameplan, different O-line, and different RB's. What's worse is SD arguably has a better passing game than MIN and ADP still had 100+ yards AT HALFTIME.Obviously the only thing that can hold ADP back is his coaching staff and horrible playcalling. Some examples:

1-10-MIN20 (9:47) A.Peterson left guard to MIN 28 for 8 yards (A.Hawk, C.Jenkins). 2-2-MIN28 (9:11) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle to A.Peterson. 3-2-MIN28 (9:05) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to B.Wade to MIN 33 for 5 yards (C.Woodson). Penalty on GB-C.Woodson, Defensive Pass Interference, declined. 1-10-MIN33 (8:37) A.Peterson left end to MIN 37 for 4 yards (R.Pickett). 2-6-MIN37 (7:57) A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 47 for 10 yards (A.Bigby). 1-10-MIN47 (7:24) K.Holcomb pass intended for B.Wade INTERCEPTED by C.Woodson at GB 42. C.Woodson for 58 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on GB-C.Woodson, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 47 - No Play. 1-10-GB48 (7:11) K.Holcomb pass short left to J.Dugan to GB 34 for 14 yards (A.Bigby). FUMBLES (A.Bigby), RECOVERED by GB-J.Jolly at GB 35. J.Jolly to MIN 46 for 19 yards (M.Birk).

Ok ADP is obviously carrying you in this drive: 1st and 10 he gets you 8 yards. I'll excuse the 2nd and 2 pass attempt, but 3rd and 2 you pass again and get bailed out with a penalty. So you do the right thing and go back to ADP. He gets you a reasonable 2nd and 6 with a 4 yd gain, you run him again and he gets you 10 yards. Golden! Ok now WTF are you doing passing on 1st and 10!?!? This is where CT is suppost to come in and get 1-3 yards setting up a manageable 2nd and 7ish. You got sooo lucky there was a penalty or it was pick-6 for GB. Did we learn our lesson? Nope! Let's pass again on 1st and 10! Oops fumbleroosky! So much for that drive...

1-10-MIN20 (4:56) C.Taylor left guard to MIN 23 for 3 yards (R.Pickett, J.Jolly). 2-7-MIN23 (4:13) (Shotgun) PENALTY on MIN-M.Birk, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 23 - No Play. 2-12-MIN18 (3:46) (Shotgun) PENALTY on MIN-K.Holcomb, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 18 - No Play. 2-17-MIN13 (3:27) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to T.Williamson to MIN 29 for 16 yards (J.Bush). 3-1-MIN29 (2:45) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to S.Rice to MIN 40 for 11 yards (J.Bush). 1-10-MIN40 (2:04) K.Holcomb sacked at MIN 32 for -8 yards (A.Kampman). 2-18-MIN32 (1:30) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to B.Wade to MIN 43 for 11 yards (N.Barnett). 3-7-MIN43 46) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to S.Rice to GB 42 for 15 yards (J.Bush). 1-10-GB42 08) C.Taylor up the middle to GB 41 for 1 yard (R.Pickett). 2-9-GB41 (15:00) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short left to C.Taylor. 3-9-GB41 (14:56) K.Holcomb pass incomplete deep left to T.Williamson. 4-9-GB41 (14:50) C.Kluwe punts 36 yards to GB 5, Center-C.Loeffler, out of bounds.

CT doing his best to kill the drive with ADP on the sideline. Penalties hurt but Holcomb actually gets in some type of rhythm. They pass on 3rd and 1 and get 11 yards. Can't argue with sucess, but eventually Holcomb's inconsistency comes back to haunt them.

1-10-MIN34 (12:45) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short right. PENALTY on GB-A.Harris, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 34 - No Play. 1-10-MIN39 (12:38) A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 48 for 9 yards (N.Barnett). 2-1-MIN48 (11:59) A.Peterson left tackle to GB 47 for 5 yards (A.Hawk, C.Williams). 1-10-GB47 (11:17) A.Peterson right guard to GB 43 for 4 yards (N.Barnett, C.Cole). 2-6-GB43 (10:39) K.Holcomb pass short right to V.Shiancoe to GB 39 for 4 yards (A.Bigby). 3-2-GB39 (9:57) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle to S.Rice (C.Jenkins). 4-2-GB39 (9:52) C.Kluwe punts 30 yards to GB 9, Center-C.Loeffler. C.Woodson pushed ob at GB 18 for 9 yards (B.Leber).

ADP=stud. Good job running him three times in a row! Now bring in CT on 2nd and 6 and let him get his 1-3 yards. Then bring ADP back in on 3rd and 3-5 and let him get you the first down. OR you can let Holcomb kill your drive with his inconsistent play? Wise choice I must say.

1-10-MIN8 (7:37) A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 13 for 5 yards (N.Collins). GB-C.Williams was injured during the play. His return is Probable. 2-5-MIN13 (7:24) A.Peterson right tackle to GB 32 for 55 yards (N.Collins). GB-N.Collins was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 1-10-GB32 (6:50) C.Taylor left tackle to GB 34 for -2 yards (C.Jenkins). 2-12-GB34 (6:09) A.Peterson left tackle to GB 26 for 8 yards (A.Hawk, N.Barnett). 3-4-GB26 (5:28) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short middle. 4-4-GB26 (5:24) R.Longwell 44 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe.

ADP=Uber Stud. 1st and 10 he gets you 5. Absolutely give him the rock again: He gets you 55 yards and gives a safety a nice ride. Ok you might think ADP is "winded" after scampering 55 yards, but he's "All day" Peterson after all. No reason to pull him here, but CT comes in and gets you -2 on 1st, ADP comes in and gives you 8 on 2nd setting up a manageable 3rd and short, and Holcomb kills the drive as usual. At least we got some points here!

1-10-MIN42 (4:18) K.Holcomb pass deep right to B.Wade pushed ob at GB 18 for 40 yards (C.Woodson). 1-10-GB18 (3:53) C.Taylor left guard to GB 16 for 2 yards (C.Jenkins; J.Jolly). 2-8-GB16 (3:10) K.Holcomb pass incomplete short right to C.Taylor. 3-8-GB16 (3:05) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short right to C.Taylor to GB 11 for 5 yards (A.Hawk). PENALTY on MIN-B.McKinnie, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 16 - No Play. Penalty on MIN-K.Holcomb, Illegal Motion, declined. 3-18-GB26 (2:41) (Shotgun) K.Holcomb pass short middle to B.Wade to GB 17 for 9 yards (N.Barnett). 4-9-GB17 (2:00) R.Longwell 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe.

Ok Holcomb completes a bomb to Wade. You're in the red zone and ADP is on the bench? How many yards does ADP have now? 100+ on 10 carries? Well guess what CT got you his typical 2 yd gain and a holding penalty kills the drive. Enjoy your FG boneheads. I'm thinking Longwell is the #1 K'er in FF if this keeps up all season.ADP had two carries and one catch in the second half (on two looks). I don't think anything more needs to be said about that. At least they used him on kickoff returns!I have faith that eventually the Minny coaching staff figures it out and starts to make ADP the focal point of the offense. There's nothing wrong with running the ball 50 times a game. That's 30 carries for ADP and 20 carries for CT in a 60/40 split. Once TJax gets back maybe they can start running the wishbone?

great stuff by the way, everyone

 

[datonn]

The biggest things I have learned about the Vikings running game after watching the first four games of Peterson's career are:

1. Peterson CREATES lanes/holes/opportunity. Chester Taylor will take advantage of what is presented to him, but rarely creates anything on his own.

2. Peterson has a 5th gear, while Taylor's transmission starts to whine and smoke shifting from third into fourth.

3. Peterson finishes runs going forward for 1-3 extra yards almost ALL the time! Chester Taylor finishes a LOT of runs going sideways, getting stacked up or falling backwards.

4. Peterson has "IT." Not something you can learn, but gifts from God that you can only try and harness/steer. Chester Taylor is a good, serviceable RB in the NFL, but he does not have "IT."

 

[varmint cong]

from rotoword..

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Adrian Peterson was on the field for 24 of the Vikings' 65 offensive snaps Sunday.

He took the handoff on half of those snaps, rushing for 112 yards, yet saw little work after halftime and was on the sidelines late. Chester Taylor was in for 40 of the Vikings' 65 offensive plays, with Taylor and Peterson in the same backfield together once.

 

[Sinn Fein]

AD - 12 carries

CP - 8 carries

i don't see the incumbent keeping his job over a clearly superior back here... i see the superior back getting the lionshare of carries while the incumbent keeps the superior back fresh

fixed

Taylor: 40 playsPeterson: 24 plays

Together: 1 play

If Childress ever gets his head out of his ####, he would work on reversing this ratio and getting the more productive back in the game more frequently. If he really thinks Taylor needs to be in the game that often, then line them both up, and split ADP out wide and use Taylor to pass block.

Also, I think it is bunk that Childress does not want to play ADP in passing situations because he cannot block - maybe, just maybe, you can call a screen pass in some of those situations, that gets ADP out of a blocking role, and into a play-maker role. WHo knows, you might even slow down the opposing pass rush if they were worried about ADP taking a short pass for a big gain.

Also, people need to stop with the rationalization that Childress is just trying to keep ADP from wearing down. If that was the case, then why is ADP returning kicks??? That has to be more physically demanding than running the ball a few extra times in the game.

Bottom line - it appears that Childress is taking the approach that he knows whats best for the team, and it does not matter what everyone else thinks. That approach is fine - if you are winning. But when you are losing, you better be willing to re-visit the game plan from time to time.

 

[prymetyme25]

The biggest things I have learned about the Vikings running game after watching the first four games of Peterson's career are:

1. Peterson CREATES lanes/holes/opportunity. Chester Taylor will take advantage of what is presented to him, but rarely creates anything on his own.

2. Peterson has a 5th gear, while Taylor's transmission starts to whine and smoke shifting from third into fourth.

3. Peterson finishes runs going forward for 1-3 extra yards almost ALL the time! Chester Taylor finishes a LOT of runs going sideways, getting stacked up or falling backwards.

4. Peterson has "IT." Not something you can learn, but gifts from God that you can only try and harness/steer. Chester Taylor is a good, serviceable RB in the NFL, but he does not have "IT."

First thing i noticed in the first preseason. you could clearly tell the difference.

 

[wahooo]

The biggest things I have learned about the Vikings running game after watching the first four games of Peterson's career are:1. Peterson CREATES lanes/holes/opportunity. Chester Taylor will take advantage of what is presented to him, but rarely creates anything on his own.2. Peterson has a 5th gear, while Taylor's transmission starts to whine and smoke shifting from third into fourth.3. Peterson finishes runs going forward for 1-3 extra yards almost ALL the time! Chester Taylor finishes a LOT of runs going sideways, getting stacked up or falling backwards.4. Peterson has "IT." Not something you can learn, but gifts from God that you can only try and harness/steer. Chester Taylor is a good, serviceable RB in the NFL, but he does not have "IT."

Completely agree 1,2,3,& 4.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Based on the Chili press conference going on now nothing is likely going to change. He is going to risk AP getting injured on kick returns and he's not going to give him the rock over Chester.

 

[W1cked]

From what I seen in the 2nd half (and recall) they would bring Peterson in on 2nd down and long... after Taylor was dropped for loss (I recall a 9 yards loss) or Holcomb was sacked and it was 2nd and long. Then not give him the ball.

 

[gianmarco]

Based on the Chili press conference going on now nothing is likely going to change. He is going to risk AP getting injured on kick returns and he's not going to give him the rock over Chester.

Mind-boggling.

 

[prymetyme25]

Based on the Chili press conference going on now nothing is likely going to change. He is going to risk AP getting injured on kick returns and he's not going to give him the rock over Chester.

Mind-bottling.

fixed.